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I just upgraded to WM6 and I installed the same applications which were installed back when I have WM5. One of them if SpB Plus, whereby I put the RAM icon (for running program) at the 1st tab.
I noticed that after running the same applications I typically used back in WM5 (messaging, Pocket Information, SpB Insight, Phone Alarm, etc.), WM6 didn't release the memory back as much as WM5.
Example (after running the above program, then closing all of them - NOT minimizing:
WM5: ~21 Mb
WM6: ~ 18 Mb
I tried this about 4 times with 2 separate 8525, one running WM5 and the other WM6.
Forgot to mention: the file that seems to keep growing after opening/closing application is filesys, checked using MemMaid.
Anyone experienced this?
Which version of WM6 are you running?
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
lanwarrior said:
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
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try this ROM and let me know how you go...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1180792&postcount=1
I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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well y dont you install the ROM... and use Task Manager to see how much memory each program is using... and do bechmark tests like every hour or so if your really worried about it that much...
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
lanwarrior said:
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
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calm down... im not giving nasty remarks...
was mierly suggesting that you try it out... and leave task manager running and open the applications you are worried about to actually see if it is releasing the memory or not...
i also am sick of flashing ROMs everyday... but thats how you get to learn about different ROMs and their flaws...
I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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happy to try and help...
I don't use SPB anything, any after about a day or so, I get about 19MB free. A fresh soft reset, gives me 25MB free.
@darkjedi
If the task manager icon is present in the settings menu (go to start>settings>system(tab)>task manager) then tick the top two boxes and when you press the X button it will actually exit the program you are using. You may have many programs running in the background which you are unaware of, by soft resetting this clears the memory and the programs present are those on startup.
@lanwarrior
Version 0.2 of WMXL has a memory cache fix cab, not sure if this will work on LVSW but it is worth a shot, the memory usage improves after installing this, might be worth a shot....if all else fails perform a hard reset and then maybe flash a different WM6 ROM (Black v1.2 or WMXL 0.2??).
I'm actually using the HTC Task Manager, and am closing the apps. I'm using LVSW 3-15-07 ROM. It's working great. It's not really a complaint honestly, just a little annoyance.
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
gurubumsmack said:
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
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Thanks for mentioning alternates to SPB PP, which is a disaster on Black v 1.2, in my and other's experience. I am going to get them and give them a try.
I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.
I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.
If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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everyone has a right to post chump... but did you try the workaround and remove the Safe Mode?
if your going to bag someone's ROM... y dont u do it in the ROM's thread insdead of cluttering others???
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......can't be beta tester all the time........
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Since these cooked WM6 roms available (Vanilla, WMXL, Black, LVSW, 3DES.1) are all based on early (possibly beta) versions of WM6 you WILL be beta testing them until we can get a fully stable version.
Its thanks to hard working individuals like Kyphur, walshieau, jasjamming, lvsw, olipro, pof et all ~(apologies if ive missed anyone out that REALLY should be mentioned) that these ROMs are getting more and more stable every time a new version is released, if you dont like using them then revert back to WM5. But dont go wragging on the authors just because software DESIGNED FOR WM5 doesnt work on them.
Id suggest cooking your own WM6 version as it may help you appreciate the work put into these releases....free of charge may i add.
In different threads I see different meaning about SPB software and their performance on WM6 especially about the memory consuming.
I think it a good idea to discuss the sbp software in this thread in stead of the other treads. In the other treads this thread can be referenced when needed.
Can you reply to in this thread which SPB software you are using in WM6 without any troubled?
Thanx!
John
With out Problem I work with;
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket plus
Spb GPRS Monitor
Spb Backup
Spb Phone Suite
In Backup I hafe somthimeb problem if i make a complet Backup alsome from the System.
Remo
I also use without any issues:
Spb Phone Suite
Spb Mobile Shell
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket Plus
Haven't tried others though, but the talk about memory leak I haven't noticed at all...
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With out Problem I work with;
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket plus
Spb GPRS Monitor
Spb Backup
Spb Phone Suite
In Backup I have somthimeb problem if i make a complet Backup alsome from the System.
Remo
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Yes, I use SPB Diary & SPB Backup as well. I used to have problem with the SPB Backup (v1.5) but the latest version 1.6 Built 2753 is ok, I do not have issue with Full Backup. According to the change log, this version is designed to work with WM6. So if you have problem, try using the latest version..
Any success with SPB Time anyone?
Hallo alvinlim28,
i update no the Spb backup..
no works very good.
only one thing.
The comment after the backup is
"i can not backup the file btdisk.tmp in Windows Folder.
Waht do this file? I cant delete this tmp file. Its in use.
But what kind of Programm use this file?
Remo
It's a temporary file, I'm not an expert but I doubt you'd need it.
Mem
I think its not the problem that it don't work well in the front, but the problem is the mem. leak after a couple of hours my mem. schrinks with 10 mb after a soft reset it is ok again.
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I think its not the problem that it don't work well in the front, but the problem is the mem. leak after a couple of hours my mem. schrinks with 10 mb after a soft reset it is ok again.
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Have you check the Task Manager to see if there are any 'open' program? By default WM6 does not 'close' the application rather keeps it in the background. If you have a lot of application in the background, of course this will take up memory as well.
So far I do not experience any 'out of memory' problem. To me it doesn't matter if after a few hours of usage I have less memory (it might be WM6's way of keeping some portion of the application cached in the memory for faster recall??). Memory is there to be utilized. As long as WM6 knows how to free them up when I start a big application, then I am fine.
Memory being utilized is good memory, A lot of free memory but not being utilized is not good memory. At the end of the day it's the user experience that matters. If this is WM6's way of making the whole PDA more 'responsive', I'm happy to have this than to have a machine that is sluggish with a lots of free memory.
SPB Mobile Shell leaks memory
I loose memory just when my mobile is turned on.
I give SPB MObile Shell the blame...
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I loose memory just when my mobile is turned on.
I give SPB MObile Shell the blame...
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Sorry for double post (also in Tips & Tricks) but:
With regard to SpB Mobile Shell, it may be worth leaving it to settle down a little.
I use SpB Diary, Phone Suite and Mobile Shell.
Due to the possible memory leak, I removed Mobile Shell for 3 days, but couldn't live without its functionality.
I reinstalled it on Monday evening, at which point, Memory was 22MB. By 8am it was down to 17.5MB, so I thought 'here we go again'; however, by 11am it was back to 18.5MB, and has stayed pretty much the same since, so I'm happy!
SpB Time still wont work- seems to create 2 alarms for the same time, so one activated with no sound; shutting that activates the 2nd with sound.
Chronos works fine (and much smaller footprint, if not so nice interface)
mobile shell = working
phone suite = working
weather = working
time = working
imageer = working
mun_rus rom
theranger said:
mobile shell = working
phone suite = working
weather = working
time = working
imageer = working
mun_rus rom
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Without the infamous memory-leak you mean ?
Cause i've found the leak to be not that annoying, apart from one thing i experienced yesterday: the Bluetooth of Trinity simply doesn't want to turn on if memory is below 20 Megs....
Moaske said:
Without the infamous memory-leak you mean ?
Cause i've found the leak to be not that annoying, apart from one thing i experienced yesterday: the Bluetooth of Trinity simply doesn't want to turn on if memory is below 20 Megs....
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can't say i've noticed any problems with memory showing 16 meg free for programes and 36 meg free in storage' and everthing seems to be working ok maybee i don't use it with that many apps running as some of you guys but i do love this rom so if their are any quirks i'll put up with them for now..
anyone get the gprs monitor today plugin to work?
I use SPB Shell, phone, time, GPRS monitor and phone, and I didn't notice any leak... All of them are inserted into SPB Shell, and everything work fine.
ROM Aus
Mobile Shell is known to kill battery and memory, but I know they released a newer version and I haven't heard any reviews on it and if they fixed those issues.
I use SPB Weather & Full Keyboard with no issues on WM6.
I also use spb mobile shell and I usually have 21 - 22 free memory, so I don't see any leak at all
Can someone please post their registry entry for the GPRS Monitor Today plugin? I have installed GPRS Monitor, and only the actual application is working. The Today plugin is not anywhere to be seen, not even in the today item settings. I have checked the registry and there is an entry there but it doesnt seem complete.
Thanks guys.
I use spb weather myself with no probs at all. Using AX3L's rom 2.0.7
Hi All,
After reading some posts I thought it would be a nice topic to start which only has WM6.1 ROM reviews for the HX4700. This way it's easier to see which ROM would be the best for your personal taste. So please only place reviews here and no questions or anything else
Moderators perhaps making this a sticky will be helpful so it's always ontop and easy to spot?
Thanks!
My review of Andy's v1g based on 5.2.19949 (Build 19949.1.2.0), posted 26-6-2008.
Running this ROM since 27 June and sofar very happy with it.
It gives me a free RAM of 34 MB after soft reset and after working for a while drops to 30 MB and stays there while idle. (Running VGAKEY + Wisbar advance v3 + NotesToday in the background only)
Speed is OK and indeed faster then the WM2003SE I had installed for 2 years.
Only drawback is the filesys.exe kicking in now and again, which made the PDA hang twice now. Soft reset made it run again. First time it hang due to installing software onto the device rather then the SD card. Second time was after using PIE. (Note that i've changed the paths of PIE to my SD card now and it did not hang anymore after using the internet)
BT and WiFi are working stable and OK. Infrared still not working in Total Commander CE. (Get "Error in function "socket": function not supported!" Contacted Tcmd support on the error and hopefully the developer can tell me more about what is wrong. (Andy fixed the missing irdatsk.dll, yet still missing the irdastk.dll on my PDA....)
Please note did not test infrared using Beam. (Other posters reported infrared not working on their side using other tools.)
Progs/shortcuts installed in ROM:
[*].NET Compact 3.5
[*]ActiveSync
[*]Calculator
[*]Calendar
[*]Contacts
[*]File Explorer
[*]Games (Solitaire, Bubble Breaker)
[*]Getting Started
[*]Help
[*]How do I
[*]HP Image Zone
[*]iTask
[*]ModemIS
[*]Notes
[*]Office Mobile (Excel,Word Powerpoint)
[*]Pictures & Videos
[*]PIE
[*]Search
[*]Task Manager
[*]Tasks
[*]Terminal Services Client
[*]Windows Media Player
Kozhura & Andy: thanks for the rom. First ROM I used on my HX4700 and a happy start it gave me
Cheers.
Hey there
I just installed Spb Finance on my blackstone with duttys R14 and when I open the spb finance entry app (already modified for my resolution with the dskin file) it shows error: Can not initialize main dialog!
Does anyone else encounter this?
Is there a way to fix that?
Thanks
same problem here.. any solutions?
I also have the problem...
... my machine is a HTC Diamond 2 with a newly loaded Win 6.5 ROM. Before SPB Finance was running without problems. Has somebody any idea? Thanks!
So it seems to be a problem with all WM6.5
Known problem in WVGA devices, not just 6.5! You need to search the SPB main site and download a new skin for this finance entry sub-program. This may be in the "Sticky" section of the Pocket Finance forum. Hope this helps.
Alan
Folks, I have been using SPB Finance v2.8.0 fine up to Dutty's Leo R4, which runs on wm6.5. It also ran fine with 6.1 stock and various cooked roms. Never had the problem you've mentioned.
Found this
Alan
I've already tried everything, but without any success - same error msg. I use XTROM GridLeo 1.8.1. Before that, I've had the original WM6.1 rom and after fixing d_skin file it did work. But now, it doesn't.
thanks Alanjp3. it is vga skin, but works.
While the skin worked with my Sprint HTC Touch Pro2 on the WM6.1 Rom, it does NOT work on the WM6.5 ROM.
SPB does not support this product any more.
Has anyone here got a solution on how to run this on a 6.5 ROM?
Thanks folks!!
try winmoFinance....very simple app, gives you what you need...
I changed to that and am OK for the basic money in my pocket tracking
same problem for me too so i changed for Inesoft Cash Organizer.
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same problem for me too so i changed for Inesoft Cash Organizer.
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Yes, that's what I'm using now as well. Works great, though I have one little gripe: In order to see my balances through the today plugin: does anyone know what the shortcut / command parameter to that is? It's so much faster than to have to open the whole program to see the balance.
Another thing: With Cash Organizer I seem to have to buy the program each time I change devices. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong?
Tried other options too, like WinMoFinance - but it doesn't do what I need it to do. I need to sync 2 PPCs with MSMoney, and the Quick Entry screen is a must by now.
Thanks to all who keep looking!
spbFinance seems to work, sort of
Facing similar problems in upgrading to HD2, I enquired of spb and got this helpful answer that might be of use to others:
"Unfortunately SPB Finance has not been updated for several years, and currently I am not able to promise that it will be updated soon.
SPB Finance does not fully support recent Windows Phones, like HTC HD2. The main application will basically work, but the additional one SPB Finance Entry will not."
I haven't ever used the SPB Finance Entry route, so I stand a chance of getting the main program to work, especially if using a DAgi stylus.
The Cash Organiser program generates a Product ID number that is keyed to the PDA, probably not the Owner Name as lot of product ids do (in which case it would be portable if you use the same owner name) ore likely the PDA UUID in which case it is a new Reg Key for each PDA. That makes it pretty difficult when it comes to upgrading machines so I give software with that kind of protection a miss.
Yup, Inesoft's Cash Organizer is out for us too.
- I change devices often (also have my weekend diamond), and I would have to write in and have them send me a new key each time I change my device. A no go for me.
-the program has at times trouble syncing and when it sees conflicts, just creates a fictitious account on the pda. And even when I erase the account, is keeps it in it's guts and recreates it each time I try to sync again.
Thank you much for posting your correspondence with spb.
Hi Guys ...
This is my first post ever, aldo I'm allready a member for 3 years
Where to start .. I have an Artemis P3300 and I'm very happy with it ! My wife has a ELF with more memory, but I'll prefer My Artemis Anyway !!
I have a problem since a month that I can not solve because I dont find someone with the same problem !
I have windows mobile 6 Professional (CE OS 5.2.1620 build 18125.0.4.2
over there is the Spb mobile Shell version 3.5.0 build 9593
I have the SDHC drivers for my mem card of 8 gig
I turn also Iconsoft Phone Extension 2.2 (the best there is !!!)
and to speed things op a 247 Mhz I use Chi-Tai Dang Homescreen Plus Plus
To know where I am I use Tom Tom Navigator 7.910 (9185)
I have chosen very wisely what To put on it because with this I have still 11,44Mb Storage and 11,51Mb Program left !! So everything turned super smoothly and nice !!!
Untill a month ago where I constantly have the "cannot execute \windows\pcm.exe" When i see the message, then everything becomes incredibly slow and it doesnt even go to Call me anymore . The Call sound is also gone ...
Strange ...
Is there one person on earth who had the same problem like me, or who can help me out ???
That would B amazing !!!
Grtz HoYa
www.x-pozed.be
Dready
Really... Not a single person ???
Grtz [email protected]
hey, think your problem lies within the regestry.
not too sure but i think its a contact manager trying to launch, and cant..
try uninstalling the contact manager..(pcm.exe)
or...
even though you have spent time choosing which programs to install, i suggest you upgrade from wm6 to wm6.1, you will have more storage memory and more free ram! currently i have 38mb free storage and 25mb ram free and i have all the goodies i need installed..
(uspl cmon - first to flash any rom for artemis)
or hard rest..
(you will loose anything on device so back up all data..if you do..)
Incredible
Hey man,
I've exactly the same issue! And I have almost the same configuration with same applications...
Actually, I have an Samsung Omnia with Windows Mobile 6.1, I've also installed spb mobile shell 3 and PhonEx 2.2 (and I totally agree with you, it's the best!), and I've also a lack of memory (I mean main memory, not storage mem because I have 2x8Gb) with 10Mb left (but it's not really constant, it vary from +-1 or 2Mb without removing or adding application) and 40Mb for program, and after something like 1 hour using my phone, the "cannot execute windows/pcm.exe" appears and then, I can't launch no more application, and the opened applications crashed and I have to restart the device to refind a normal behaviour for 1 hour more...
So , I looked for this pcm.exe in my device and its attached logo is the Phonex logo and I tried to cut it from the windows folder to put it somewhere else and all applications worked except Phonex, so I think it's a part of Phonex, may be pcm means Phonex Contact Manager... I don't know, may be we should remove Phonex and reinstall it after???
I look forward to reading some smart idea... if someone gets some ;-)
Thanks
PS: I use iGo instead of Tom Tom and I think it is overwhelmingly better than the latter... with 3D building and above all the 3D landscape.
PS: if someone has a tip to avoid the lack of memory, I want well... Because despite I install all my application on the storage card, the main memory is always decreasing...
weird
It's weird, the problem looks to be fixed! But I've done nothing to fix it... weird