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Windows Mobile "XDA Live" Edition

I'm liking Windows Mobile "XDA Live"
as the name in honor of all XDA-Dev has done for us.​
I'll be keeping this post updated with progress/news.
Understand that I can not release this Rom without the approval of my source, they need to protect their livelihood. The second I'm given the go ahead, the floodgate with open but until then I simply can't unless I want to burn a good source who put a lot of trust in me.
My primary goal is to get an uncluttered Rom that is useful from the start, think Faria-lite..
If everyone is good and doesn't keep me from getting this done, I will release the scripts that I am using to build & rebuild this rom easily so that each of you can confidently do exactly as I am. I can release the scripts maybe this weekend regardless of the status of the Rom because they are independent of the Rom you are cooking.
Quick FAQ:
Q: Can we get a "Clean" version of the Rom.
A: When released there will be several packages:
"Clean OS" Rom with only HTC-X and Comm Button Toggle Vibrate Fix integrated.
"Hit the Ground Running" Rom with several useful apps embedded (you will be able to disable everything that is embedded) and operator Customizations within easy reach.
Hermes Rom Cookbook, which will include the scripts and tools I am using to do this and instructions on how to apply these to any Hermes Rom.
.nb file only releases for those who want to only swap out the OS ('cause we like our splash screens)
Q: Will WMXL (Windows Mobile XDA Live) fix my corrupted radio bootloader or otherwise bricked Hermes?
A: If the other tools here can't do it then don't bet the farm on WMXL doing it. The Flashing tools are still the same, no magic pill here.
Q: Can you Add XXXX or why not use ZZZZ instead of the App you chose.
A: I have been selective of the apps I am embedding. They may not always be the best at what they do but they are easy to use and small. I will not install 5 different apps with the same function. By having one or two apps you will use embedded you will save plenty of Program Memory to be able to comfortably install the Task Manager, MP3 player or Coffee Temp Monitor of your liking.
Q: Kyphur you are such a Guru, how can I be like you?
A: Remember that my head is in the clouds on this one only because I'm standing on the shoulders' of giants. This project owes it's very existence to many other contributers here and they deserve as much if not more of the cudos than I do. The is a team effort, please support everyone who made this possible. (See my post here). I have been a member her for only 15 months give or take but I have spent more time reading than doing or posting.
Q: If you embed a program into the Rom how can I remove it (to save memory).
A: You can't remove file that are in the Rom. You can remove the Shortcuts to the programs. Again I will repeat that programs in the Rom do not consume any memory. If you don't want the program simply ignore it and it will not harm you.
Q: I have more questions...
A: Read the thread.
Current Status:
I have removed the list ofToday (.tsk) Themes for this Rom. Click here for Images of all the Themes I have collected. I've decided that instead of embedding them all, I will remove all but the default Crossbow Theme and maybe create a custom WMXL (Windows Mobile XDA Live) Theme.
The rest of the collection will be packaged together so everyne can pick and choose their themes. If we figure out how to create a custom Ext_Rom.nd then I will put them there along with Carrier Data & MMS Settings.
I have integrated the following Applications:
Dictionary Editor
HTweakC v2.1
MS Hearts for PPC
PHM Registry Editor ** Will not be replaced by Total Commander...
SMS Backup
StartClean
VJCandelaLite (Flashlight)
I know everyone has their own list of apps they'd like to see but I have chosed these because they are small, simple to use and ADD functionality to the Rom.
I have integrated the following Registry Fixes:
By default only the Date Plugin is enabled (and it is set to a single line).
The Today Screen says "XDA Live" and the about screen shows " - XDA" after the OS Build Number.
Pressing & Holding the Comm Button toggles the between Vibrate & Normal.
PDAViet Memory Leak Fix is Applied.
Disabled the warning for Unsigned Applications (Application Lock)
Misc:
I have added two "Classic RingTones, (OldPhone-US.wma and OldPhone-UK.wav) for those of us who want to get away from the music and chirping Ringers.
I have removed all carrier customizations, no need to soft reset to avoid customization!
Current Known Issues:
The only real issue is that I am bound by a promise to my source to not distribute this Rom until the Carrier releases it or I can get ALL IDENTIFYING INFORMATION removed from it. trust me, I am working on it but there is absolutely no room for errors. Ironically the Rom seems more stable since I've modified it than it was when I received it.
Goals to work on:
Embed TCPMP v0.71RC and Codex Files.
Dropped or moved to low priority:
Voice Command Abandoned... It was proving too troublesome and there are too many reasons (language and dialing rule differences) to not embed it.
Dropped embedding a replacement Calculator, two many personal preferences, they are all lightweight and we can each add our fav later.
As for adjusting how the memory is used, if someone knows how to do that I'm all ears but if it requires shifting things in the image and hex editing it then I think we might hit the NAND Block Issue again.
BTW, this truly is a group effort.
Without pof & team unlocking I never would have even gone looking for the base Rom.
aChef by aklok_hk is doing the heavy lifting.
Sleuth, ShogunMark, Faria ViJay555, Bepe, Maimach have all been instrumental either directly or indirectly in this project.
Des and the SSPL was another step that got me to this point.
Of course there are all of the guys who have been doing this before I bought my first PPC Phone, they blazed the trail I simply walk behind them.
Finally, I can't forget my unnamed source. They took a big change passing this along to me. Without that trust I'd be cooking AKU 3.3 right now.

piopawlu said:
Hmm, but what you need these themes for? I guess it would be cool if there was no unnecessary stuff you can always download later.
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Today themes are small, I would like to include the HTC Standard as well as Carrier Themes for at least the major carriers just as a way to allow us to brand this Rom without having to use any of our storage memory.
Initial Rom will not have any added apps, just clean & stable though I might embed The Hermes Tweaker.

This will be great. I am all for a minimal clean rom. No Addons just crossbow. HTC is fine for me. Just my opinion.
Can't wait.
Thanks

xultar said:
Give it a code name...something cool like L-Cars 8525!!!!
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mother_of_all_Hermes_roms.rar???
I think you should post with a boot screen dedicated to the legal department @ M$.
-mix

Plans to release...
First I will confirm that this IS NOT an AKU 3.3 Rom.
I have successfully removed most of the identifying info that could lead back to my source (I believe).
Now I'm adding a few things back in like the Press & Hold Comm button for Vibrate Toggle Fix, Today Themes for Carriers and my favorite Ringtone (OldPhone.wma).
I am waiting for a response from my source regarding the info I've cleaned out (I want their approval before I share as I don't want to burn my source).
I hope that this will all happen in less than 1 week.

kyphur said:
First I will confirm that this IS NOT an AKU 3.3 Rom.
I have successfully removed most of the identifying info that could lead back to my source (I believe).
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now you got me interested

kyphur said:
How about "XDA-Lives" WMx Rom!!!!
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About 10 minutes in photoshop and a few pictures from google.... a start on a boot screen.
-mix

mixmaven said:
About 10 minutes in photoshop and a few pictures from google.... a start on a boot screen.
-mix
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AHHH! But aren't we getting ahead of ourselves? I see you have WM6 on that pic. What if he's acutally ported Linux to it? Uhhh... wait a second, nevermind.

Nice, I suspect this will be a BIG relase, nice work!

now that people are cooking up some ROMs now, maybe someone can make seperate .cab files for different carriers with all the data settings in it so we can load our internet settings right away after we install cooked ROMs...

A good thing to add to the ExtROM COULD be a feature i noticed on an early iMate rom i used on my hermes. When it was going ahead with the "customisation..." screen it would ask what carrier you are on?! Then IT would apply the appropriate GPRS/MMS settings?!
May be just laziness on my part but would be a COOL feature.

mrvanx said:
A good thing to add to the ExtROM COULD be a feature i noticed on an early iMate rom i used on my hermes. When it was going ahead with the "customisation..." screen it would ask what carrier you are on?! Then IT would apply the appropriate GPRS/MMS settings?!
May be just laziness on my part but would be a COOL feature.
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I'm at work now, but from the dutch Qtek site www.qtek.nl you can download a cab file with all the settings from the dutch telecom providers.
If you can't find it I can upload it when I get home tonight.

Would be good If we could collect all the Operator cabs and maybe put them on the ftp?
Probably better than clogging up a ROM with them!?
(LOL il get to work TRYING to track down the O2 one)

Settings Files
Here's Imate and Telstra .tsk, if still needed. Thanks for your great work!
here's the dopod 838 pro .tsk
Does the new os actually close programs or still leave them open when you tap the x-button? If so, what about adding HTC_X-Button.cab?
People can always turn it off if they don't want it.
I also load the two tools below, I think just about everyone uses psshutxp and dictionary editor allows you to get rid of those annoying words you misspell and your phone remembers.... They are all pretty small, but extremely useful.
-mix
here goes the official o2 germany tsk file and the o2 germany internet-flatrate wap settings plus the o2 germany mms settings.
if you need a quicktool that can select what to install i can whip that up in c real quick
oli, i wouldnt cook the gps driver just yet.. we need to play with it on wm6.0 to see if its ok..

question besides:
is it necessary to implement vc? especially if the us version isn`t able to deal with with commands in other languages!
anyway, sounds awesome!!!

ibanyard said:
Are you installing apps via ExtRom? I'd suggest against having the apps installed as part of the base rom, some of these apps get updated on a fairly regular basis......
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As you can see, my list of imbedded apps is intentionally short:
1-Calc Lite (replaced Calculator Shortcut in Start Menu)
HTweakC v2.1
PHM Registry Editor
SMS Backup
StartClean
Microsoft Voice Command v1.6 (US)
HTweakC might see some updates but that would be easy to install the new version over and only loose would be the benefit of saving storage Rom.
By embedding these into the Rom we save several Megs of Storage RAM.
Okay, I'll also confirm this is WM6
Also, added Telsta.tsk, i-mate Grass.tsk, i-mate Swoosh.tsk.
I will not be adding other apps to this Rom. If someone wants to gather carrier Data Connections Cabfiles I would be happy to embedd them directly into the Rom (these settings seldom change).
I think I will add the 8525 eyboard Fix Cab file (but not install it) into the Rom.
Currently working on an XML error in the section of code that would place Voice Command into the Rom.
The other apps are all considered stable versions.

jammerlappen said:
question besides:
is it necessary to implement vc? especially if the us version isn`t able to deal with with commands in other languages!
anyway, sounds awesome!!!
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Once I have it in good I can easily generate a parallel Rom without it (I am writing scripts to run the tools which build the Rom so skipping sections is trivial.

CCRDude said:
I myself don't need PHM Registry Editor since I'm using Total Commander with its integrated registry editor plugin, which I find easier to navigate the registry. And I don't need yet-another-way-too-simple-calculator and would prefer a scientific one with RPN (I always hit the wrong keys on non-RPN-calculators ), like RayRPN.
But if having his preferences on the device is the price to pay for using this "very special rom"... well, as long as we're able to hide them from the start menu/programs menu, I'll gladly pay it
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You can delete the shortcuts for anthing you don't like.
Personally I use Resco for Registry & File operations but PHM is simply and requires not install so you have Registry Editing out of the box.
I'll look at RayRPN, I just hate the stupid PPC Calc (still same as the old CE Calc). I love the tip calculator and unit conversion functions of 1-calc.
Again once the integration is done, I can easily generate a 100% plain Rom with no carrier tsk files, images or settings. I figue I'll make use of the time while I wait for approval to release....

HerrVorragend said:
WOW - it's realy WM6??
When will you upload it?
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Please, if you read the thread you will see that I am waiting for my source to approve the Rom (to be sure I have removed everything that could trace it back even close to them - got to protect the source).
I am hoping to have it out in days (no more than 1 week).

kyphur said:
Please, if you read the thread you will see that I am waiting for my source to approve the Rom (to be sure I have removed everything that could trace it back even close to them - got to protect the source).
I am hoping to have it out in days (no more than 1 week).
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Hi kyphur,
I think you can consider to put in the rom the ext rom unhide!

The MOST annoying thing about WM6?

For me it would be the fact that it STILL has
the same greyish, blocky scrollbars as Windows 3.1 had....
You'd imagine they would have revamped those by now...

That is a minor quibble. Personally I do not see anything wrong with WM6... yet.
Most of us here are still happy that at least we are getting WM6
If anything I had a bit of quibble with Opera and its interaction with WM5\WM6 but then again, that is a software issue.

Yeah, if that's all you have to complain about in WM6, I think you're LOOKING for things to complain about.
Like the "Error Syncronizing" problem in Outlook, that no one but me seems to have seen; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.

richy240 said:
Y; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
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I am running LVSW Edition 2007-03-25 and do not have this problem with calendar, maybe it is your version.
Ron

Try UIQ for a month, you`ll hate PPC
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.

hm, the most annoying thing you say.
yeah , can think of 1 - a minor issue yet very annoying.
the busy signal comes out of the loudspeaker (as it did in wm5) !
i hate it. yeah of course you can delete the signal or change ir to a very quiet one, yet ...

elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...

I beg to differ
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
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you are using UIQ3 - don't know that OS yet.
stolen features?
what about the new "week view" of calender? it`s entire functionality is copied from UIQ 2.1, what about the softkeys finally they copied the ability to navigate the device features?
stability, I used a p900 - for 2 years - 3!! HR(and I was to BLAME)
PPC? - cant count any more, a buggy program can crash your device until the next HR.
most of WM6 design targets declared where for a better use:
stability
speed
usability

Hmm, I had a P900 and the P910 (still use it from time to time) My friend has the Sony P990 (UIQ3). If you want to see problems with UIQ3 use a P990, admittedly most of it is hardware related but even on the M600 you will find problems.
The only way you can compare these two is to only run them on default software and never install 3rd party apps!! I have run 3rd party apps on my P900/P910 and had to do many soft resets etc even with popular apps (Sman etc)
I am so glad that I moved from UIQ(X) to WM(X) as just the increase in productivity software available to me has made it worth it alone! BTW my M3100 running the latest variant of WM6 is rock solid.
Oh & haven't you heard the expression there's nothing new under the sun. Everybody 'steals' from everybody else.

elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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Well I havent taken the plunge to WM6 yet, still on WM5, but yes... having migrated from UIQ on several previous phones, I find WM to be an abomination of undocumented, overcompicated and non-integrated bloatware.
The saving features, however, are that it's the only OS I can get on such great hardware (Hermes), and there is such a massive user base that like Windows for PCs, there is loads of great software and support from forums like this.

and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game

weinson said:
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
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The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts

moisha said:
The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
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SSSHHH! You were not supposed to reveal that information!
But it is true... The look on the face of my GF when I have to restart my phone before I can make a call or when everything freezes when adding an appointment....
On my original post: the scrollbars might be a minor thing but it is something I see almost everytime I use this machine.

although I have not used UIQ for a while last one was uiq 2.1 i think or was it 3?
It was a very good os and stable.
but doesnt look as pretty as windows mobile.
Although its better programed and runs better on lower speed processors,
reminds me of the linux v windows situation.
pros and cons to both.
I like windows its pleasing to the eye

I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?

the thing I hate so far is they (in WM6) still dont allow you to quickley dial a meeting number.... like I used to do in a blackberry...... thats the only thing I find really annoying...
I sould be able to choose a reminder and if there is a number value in there I should be able to choose it to dail.....

one fo my biggest complaints.
in s60 phones when I was sent a concatenated message it would display as one contigious message.
in Wm5/Wm6 a concatenated message is displayed as several messages and sometimes they come in out of order which is really annoying.
if anyone knows of a fix for this short of using an alternate messaging app please let me know.

My biggest issue is that I cannot connect to my office VPN using Internet sharing, worked perfectly in WM5 as a wireless modem, normal browsing is ok.
Malcolm

Most annoying thing...
(1) Boot time is incredibly slow, at last count 40 seconds from reset to ability to make a call
(2) I still cannot send text messages to 'groups' - major gripe from WM5 followed through
(3) Text Messaging - New has been replaced by Delete as the initial text message screen (possibly a setting I havent found yet)
Major speed advantage so far though...

nbedford said:
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
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That actually wasn't WM5 but an addition by T-Mobile.
You could use X-button to close programmes completely instead of making them run in the background. That way you don't even have to go into 'running programmes'.

Manila is ****

it is nothing!!!! 90% dont like Manila

no

No really lol

the interface and usage isn't that bad though, but pretty resource hungry on our trinity. well, you have option not to use it.

For me it's the best I ever know. Very fast and with lot of options to add contacts, shortcuts, etc.
With Manilla 2D I'll stay a long while without changing ROM.
Just my opinion based on many experiences with other rom's !
I use Karmba_a Diamond Blue For Trinity v Last. VERY cool!!

hahaha, people start complain on Manila
Check this following post and make your vote please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=440785

zh.dayong said:
it is nothing!!!! 90% dont like Manila
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I don't agree with you , I am growing board with WM and was waiting and wanting something different to come along. Manila 2d came just in time for me. and my interest as been sparked again. Though I don't agree with your assessment of Manila I do support your right to voice your opinion in this forum. I would however wish you would voice that opinion with out using curse words. Keep it clean Dude!
Ed...

edbutler said:
I don't agree with you , I am growing board with WM and was waiting and wanting something different to come along. Manila 2d came just in time for me. and my interest as been sparked again. Though I don't agree with your assessment of Manila I do support your right to voice your opinion in this forum. I would however wish you would voice that opinion with out using curse words. Keep it clean Dude!
Ed...
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I totally agree with you ed. Manila2D came out just at the right time. For anyone who actually appreciates interface development and respects the time and effort put in by others (for free) to keep our devices fresh and exciting, Manila2D has taken Trinity to a new level. Sure, it won't work if your device is already loaded with a heap of memory dependent applications, but that's where you choose what you want your device to be able to do, and where your personal priorities and needs lie.
Put it this way: The "Manilla 2D - Skins, clocks and wallpapers" thread started about 2 months ago (13.9.2008). It now has over 463 pages, 4,623 replies and 1,146,853 visits.
"90% dont like Manila"........ I guess the 10% that do must have been very busy!!!
Mattster.

Mattster_spv said:
I totally agree with you ed. Manila2D came out just at the right time. For anyone who actually appreciates interface development and respects the time and effort put in by others (for free) to keep our devices fresh and exciting, Manila2D has taken Trinity to a new level. Sure, it won't work if your device is already loaded with a heap of memory dependent applications, but that's where you choose what you want your device to be able to do, and where your personal priorities and needs lie.
Put it this way: The "Manilla 2D - Skins, clocks and wallpapers" thread started about 2 months ago (13.9.2008). It now has over 463 pages, 4,623 replies and 1,146,853 visits.
"90% dont like Manila"........ I guess the 10% that do must have been very busy!!!
Mattster.
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Needless to say more. Mattster is correct. It all depends on your preferred usage.
been using M2D for some time now, i appreciate all the efforts throwned by the ROm tweakers/developers to make our trinity abreast with the current roms (you could not imagine ) that will run on it.
Im one of the 10% rom flashers that like the M2D.

Mattster_spv said:
I totally agree with you ed. Manila2D came out just at the right time. For anyone who actually appreciates interface development and respects the time and effort put in by others (for free) to keep our devices fresh and exciting, Manila2D has taken Trinity to a new level. Sure, it won't work if your device is already loaded with a heap of memory dependent applications, but that's where you choose what you want your device to be able to do, and where your personal priorities and needs lie.
Put it this way: The "Manilla 2D - Skins, clocks and wallpapers" thread started about 2 months ago (13.9.2008). It now has over 463 pages, 4,623 replies and 1,146,853 visits.
"90% dont like Manila"........ I guess the 10% that do must have been very busy!!!
Mattster.
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Mattster, I think what he really wanna to say is "he doesnt like 90% of Manila2D"

i would have dumped my trinity if it's not because of manila.
i've been using chalid's manila rom, it's great. yes it can be resource hog, but i use my phone for nothing but sms and making phone calls.
if you're using your phone for other things, which requires a lot of rams, then yes, manila isn't for you.

Why does noone make unmodified roms anymore ?

I have been searching for an unmodified wm 6.1 rom w/o success... why is it that none of the cooks make clean, unmodified roms w/o custom folder icons/ status icons.
It would be the greatest thing to find a wm 6.1 rom for the hermes, that is as close to an htc release as possible, but with fixes to accomodate/increase speed.

DRTigerlilly said:
I have been searching for an unmodified wm 6.1 rom w/o success... why is it that none of the cooks make clean, unmodified roms w/o custom folder icons/ status icons.
It would be the greatest thing to find a wm 6.1 rom for the hermes, that is as close to an htc release as possible, but with fixes to accomodate/increase speed.
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I'd be willing to do that. I mentioned in my release yesterday that if anybody wanted another version (HTC Home, Lite, Ultra Lite), I would cook accordingly.

chop chop. How long does it take?! GOSH. Ok but seriously... id like two things in life right now... a sparkley clean rom with the newest version of wm6.1 ( dreaming about 6.5) and for someone to point me to the newest cab installer of manila... ill trade a night with my wife for these two things.

gregwaltman said:
chop chop. How long does it take?! GOSH. Ok but seriously... id like two things in life right now... a sparkley clean rom with the newest version of wm6.1 ( dreaming about 6.5) and for someone to point me to the newest cab installer of manila... ill trade a night with my wife for these two things.
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Ill take half a night
manila 2d cabs ect

To be honest with you, no one had shown any interest. I cooked a ROM based on the original wm6 for HTC. I took all of the base apps, extended ROM, updated it to 21109 (SYS & XIP), and flashed it. Works good, but it's still stock. To me, they are boring. I just thought it'd be fun to try.

boring works, i'm so over m2d if it doesn't work in landscape its pointless, it takes away from the fit & finish of the device and makes it feel hacked together.
whereas the custom folder icons have significance to the cook, it has no significance to someone else. I'm not saying that the cooks can't show their creativity, but some of us like vanilla just fine, and in more recent times, those users seem to have been forgotten.
I like the option of being able to customize the rom after the fact to my needs or tastes, but i'm not technically saavy enough to make a rom myself...i'd tried w/ earlier wm6 builds and that went ok...but my wm 6.1 attempts have failed miserably.

ok so i guess ill just ask for it. I would like to have a " vanilla " wm 6.1 rom with whatever the newest base os is... and the newest version of manila 2d... I can customize from that point etc... on that note does anyone know how to modify the links shown below the browser icon in the browser tab? I would like to make ones for wikipedia etc... and has anyone looked at breaking the map search tab down and using it to make searches for other things like google? or wikipedia? etc? if you notice... most of theinfo in the internet tab and others... scrolls up and down just brilliantly... would be awesome to make a tab that has a a webpage in it or something... like www.google.com/ig/i something like that would be perfect. so back to what i would like... just plain jain bluewm6.1 .. same blue as the att rom... and then the standard blue manilla on top of it... and... as to half nights with the wife... sounds fine to me... but what if i told you she looked like al goreand bill cosby's love child??

there are no problems with a stock rom but it is nicer if we can have an additional spice

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as to half nights with the wife... sounds fine to me... but what if i told you she looked like al goreand bill cosby's love child??
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Then it would be an interesting night

lmao
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as to half nights with the wife... sounds fine to me... but what if i told you she looked like al goreand bill cosby's love child??
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Sounds like my mother-in-law.. lol

I would like to agree with this thread. I am also in favour of unmodified interfaces. All respect to the coders and developers modify and push the envelope with the ROMs but these guys are not designers so the interfaces often look really dodgy when compared with the original manufacturer ROMs...

Tokoloshi said:
I would like to agree with this thread. I am also in favour of unmodified interfaces. All respect to the coders and developers modify and push the envelope with the ROMs but these guys are not designers so the interfaces often look really dodgy when compared with the original manufacturer ROMs...
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I'll be releasing one in the next few days in my RevROM thread.

I would also love to see a performance ROM with manufacturer interface design. Manilla 2D is awesome! All respect to the coders and developers, but you guys aren't designers, and this is something that is generally lacking in the modified ROMS.

Tokoloshi said:
I would also love to see a performance ROM with manufacturer interface design. Manilla 2D is awesome! All respect to the coders and developers, but you guys aren't designers, and this is something that is generally lacking in the modified ROMS.
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Lol, you basically repeated the same thing twice with different workds I wont be putting M2D in the next version because i already have a "non-colored" icons M2D version (latest v5). It'll be a lite version with possibly HTC Home on it.

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I have been searching for an unmodified wm 6.1 rom w/o success... why is it that none of the cooks make clean, unmodified roms w/o custom folder icons/ status icons.
It would be the greatest thing to find a wm 6.1 rom for the hermes, that is as close to an htc release as possible, but with fixes to accomodate/increase speed.
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Grab the official Kaiser ROM and port it for your Hermes!

ai6908
If i could only make sense of the kitchens. Someone needs to really clean up the kitchen instructions and or make a kitchen more akin to ppckitchen
I tried following Ivan's Cooking Class, and just ended up with an unholy mess that wouldn't boot.

Ok can anyone mention what comes in Stock ROM WM6.1

I want it too!
I will join DRTigerlilly´s request for a clean wm6.1 rom.
In fact what I really want is a clean one, and as close as possible to a stock rom, BUT IN SPANISH.

Which ROM is most like Josh's + CRC's rolled into one?

I've been flashing a fair few ROMs in the past week or so, and I've come to the realisation that I like two ROMs more than any others: Josh's M2DLite, and CRC's 13.4 release.
Frustratingly, there's just a couple of things wrong with each release that leave me stuck and unable to choose between them... I have a couple of recurring problems with Manila 2D (it sometimes crashes out when I try to load an email which is accessed through the Seven.com system, and I can't change the clock to be a digital clock instead of analogue hands). There's also some remaining small problems with memory usage, plus for some reason my install of M2DLite stopped allowing me to install new CABs ("installation unsuccessful").
By contrast, CRC's 13.4 release is almost perfect - the stock, basic WM Today screen, with a lovely plain black theme. It has Device Update and a load of nice extras. However, it doesn't ship with the option to install and run M2D (the more I used it, the more I slowly came to like it).
As a result, I feel like I'm 90% close to finding the perfect ROM. I hate all the ROMs with gaudy themes or colour presets, but frustratingly some of those ROMs look quite appealing, aside from those annoying customisations. I'm really at a loss as to which ROM is ideal for the person who prefers the minimalist, discreet look, but wants all the regular stuff like 3G dialer, HSDPA, Internet Sharing and MMS to work without a hitch.
What ROM have you guys settled on? Did you try loads, but then find one which you think is perfect (maybe after a little bit of customisation)? I'd love to hear your thoughts. WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5 ROMs are all eligibile.

All of the reasons you stated, is exactly why I started cooking my own. I always found things I disliked about every rom I flashed.
utak3r released his darkvisions 4 kitchen, and it is a very nice base to build on for 6.1.
With your own rom, you can have your cake and eat it too, after a bit of trial and error.

That was something else I was contemplating... I have pretty much no idea where to start with cooking my own from a kitchen; you say utak3r's DV4 is a good base? I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
How long did it take until you got to where you wanted to be with your own custom ROM?

At first I felt like I was never going to get there! lol
I'm still playing with things and tweaking little things, I'm not the pro like the other guys here, so it takes me a bit longer. But I'll just to little changes and flash it to the phone, too many big changes at once makes it tough to troubleshoot a problem.
I'm back to tweaking and testing on utak3r's kitchen, I have a kitchen from josh all set up the way I want it, but, cooking is addictive.

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I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
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That's what this kitchen is for You can select your own desired apps (and the dialer, too).

Ooo, interesting... So, what does one need to download and install (aside from the kitchen) to get set up and cook with one of your kitchens?

Nothing - it contains all you need Maybe .Net and some runtimes - but you could have it already...

Ah, I tried your kitchen - there's some nice stuff in there, but unfortunately no Connection Setup (had to configure manually but I knew the data connection settings anyway). I did notice that the Contacts softkey was labeled as Kontakty, even though I'd made sure NOT to select the PL language option...
Aside from that, it was a pretty nice way to quickly customise ROM options. What's the best way to cook in new CABs? I noticed a lot of stuff in the OEM folder, but as well as what looked like the installed contents of CABs I saw a lot of other custom configuration files...

Glad to see you got it up and running quickly!
Here is cab2oem and package creator all in one zip.
cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!

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cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.

utak3r said:
true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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You are right! I am about to attempt to see if I can edit/create one of my own. I wan't to see if I can make it work before I start asking for help on it though.
I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.

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I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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Check the files installed (including all the links) and check carefully the registry. I strongly advice you to use CeRegEditor, the best PPC registry editor on PC that exists (Polish product ) - you can make an image of the reg before installing it and compare it after - that way you can have all the registry changes were made.

Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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necrolytic said:
Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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Hello, and welcome to the forum!
Not sure if your directing your comment toward the op, or someone else. But that's kinda the way the thread is going. Leading someone towards the path of cooking their own rom.
There will be more for him to do than load a playlist of cabs!
There are all those little settings you like to have. All the programs you want, cooked in, not installed via cab, they will be there no matter what. Any theme you want, and today plugins you want, and in any order you want on the today screen. You can add/remove anything you want.
That's what most of the custom roms on this site are, the rom that the cook runs on their own phone (for the most part). Some cooks are doing custom roms for the community, but I bet they run that rom, or their own cooked variant.
I'm also hoping this thread will inspire more flashers to become cooks, maybe even you!
I am by no means a pro in the kitchen, I don't want to make it sound like I am. But I am getting by, and I love the roms I have cooked. If you think testing all the roms on the site is addictive, just wait till you cook a few roms, and debug, change settings, and cook those settings back into your own rom! then you'll really be hooked. I have been tempted to pick up a second hermes just for cooking and testing! haha