For me it would be the fact that it STILL has
the same greyish, blocky scrollbars as Windows 3.1 had....
You'd imagine they would have revamped those by now...
That is a minor quibble. Personally I do not see anything wrong with WM6... yet.
Most of us here are still happy that at least we are getting WM6
If anything I had a bit of quibble with Opera and its interaction with WM5\WM6 but then again, that is a software issue.
Yeah, if that's all you have to complain about in WM6, I think you're LOOKING for things to complain about.
Like the "Error Syncronizing" problem in Outlook, that no one but me seems to have seen; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
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Y; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
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I am running LVSW Edition 2007-03-25 and do not have this problem with calendar, maybe it is your version.
Ron
Try UIQ for a month, you`ll hate PPC
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
hm, the most annoying thing you say.
yeah , can think of 1 - a minor issue yet very annoying.
the busy signal comes out of the loudspeaker (as it did in wm5) !
i hate it. yeah of course you can delete the signal or change ir to a very quiet one, yet ...
elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
I beg to differ
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
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you are using UIQ3 - don't know that OS yet.
stolen features?
what about the new "week view" of calender? it`s entire functionality is copied from UIQ 2.1, what about the softkeys finally they copied the ability to navigate the device features?
stability, I used a p900 - for 2 years - 3!! HR(and I was to BLAME)
PPC? - cant count any more, a buggy program can crash your device until the next HR.
most of WM6 design targets declared where for a better use:
stability
speed
usability
Hmm, I had a P900 and the P910 (still use it from time to time) My friend has the Sony P990 (UIQ3). If you want to see problems with UIQ3 use a P990, admittedly most of it is hardware related but even on the M600 you will find problems.
The only way you can compare these two is to only run them on default software and never install 3rd party apps!! I have run 3rd party apps on my P900/P910 and had to do many soft resets etc even with popular apps (Sman etc)
I am so glad that I moved from UIQ(X) to WM(X) as just the increase in productivity software available to me has made it worth it alone! BTW my M3100 running the latest variant of WM6 is rock solid.
Oh & haven't you heard the expression there's nothing new under the sun. Everybody 'steals' from everybody else.
elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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Well I havent taken the plunge to WM6 yet, still on WM5, but yes... having migrated from UIQ on several previous phones, I find WM to be an abomination of undocumented, overcompicated and non-integrated bloatware.
The saving features, however, are that it's the only OS I can get on such great hardware (Hermes), and there is such a massive user base that like Windows for PCs, there is loads of great software and support from forums like this.
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
weinson said:
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
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The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
moisha said:
The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
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SSSHHH! You were not supposed to reveal that information!
But it is true... The look on the face of my GF when I have to restart my phone before I can make a call or when everything freezes when adding an appointment....
On my original post: the scrollbars might be a minor thing but it is something I see almost everytime I use this machine.
although I have not used UIQ for a while last one was uiq 2.1 i think or was it 3?
It was a very good os and stable.
but doesnt look as pretty as windows mobile.
Although its better programed and runs better on lower speed processors,
reminds me of the linux v windows situation.
pros and cons to both.
I like windows its pleasing to the eye
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
the thing I hate so far is they (in WM6) still dont allow you to quickley dial a meeting number.... like I used to do in a blackberry...... thats the only thing I find really annoying...
I sould be able to choose a reminder and if there is a number value in there I should be able to choose it to dail.....
one fo my biggest complaints.
in s60 phones when I was sent a concatenated message it would display as one contigious message.
in Wm5/Wm6 a concatenated message is displayed as several messages and sometimes they come in out of order which is really annoying.
if anyone knows of a fix for this short of using an alternate messaging app please let me know.
My biggest issue is that I cannot connect to my office VPN using Internet sharing, worked perfectly in WM5 as a wireless modem, normal browsing is ok.
Malcolm
Most annoying thing...
(1) Boot time is incredibly slow, at last count 40 seconds from reset to ability to make a call
(2) I still cannot send text messages to 'groups' - major gripe from WM5 followed through
(3) Text Messaging - New has been replaced by Delete as the initial text message screen (possibly a setting I havent found yet)
Major speed advantage so far though...
nbedford said:
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
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That actually wasn't WM5 but an addition by T-Mobile.
You could use X-button to close programmes completely instead of making them run in the background. That way you don't even have to go into 'running programmes'.
Related
It's very slow and it crashes all the time, plus it never sync my outlook well.
Don't you love intelligent conversation?
i like bouncy balls.
"It's very slow and it crashes all the time, plus it never sync my outlook well."
this is a fair comment, everyone is entitled to voice their opinions on windows.
Its just a shame that its so easy for people to make comments like this on WM2k5, I have to say, I am disapointed with overall speed. I think the swap into flash from RAM has contributed to this, but thats not the whole story.
My XDAII with 2k5 was faster than the universal. Bah. What did HTC or MS do wrong?
they dont have buzzzzz
Thats probably worryingly right.
Speaking of that, how did they "buy Buzz a Universal" fund come on?
excuse my language, but that thingy really piss me off.
Pyrofer said:
"It's very slow and it crashes all the time, plus it never sync my outlook well."
this is a fair comment, everyone is entitled to voice their opinions on windows.
Its just a shame that its so easy for people to make comments like this on WM2k5, I have to say, I am disapointed with overall speed. I think the swap into flash from RAM has contributed to this, but thats not the whole story.
My XDAII with 2k5 was faster than the universal. Bah. What did HTC or MS do wrong?
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Well, my calendar never gets synchronised properly. I only have my friday's activities every week when I told it synchronise everything. That's purely M$'s fault.
jackygurui said:
Pyrofer said:
"It's very slow and it crashes all the time, plus it never sync my outlook well."
this is a fair comment, everyone is entitled to voice their opinions on windows.
Its just a shame that its so easy for people to make comments like this on WM2k5, I have to say, I am disapointed with overall speed. I think the swap into flash from RAM has contributed to this, but thats not the whole story.
My XDAII with 2k5 was faster than the universal. Bah. What did HTC or MS do wrong?
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Well, my calendar never gets synchronised properly. I only have my friday's activities every week when I told it synchronise everything. That's purely M$'s fault.
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What version of Outlook are you using? And have you applied the latest service pack ?
Am I the only one to fnd that WM5 is a complete waste of time and not worth upgradong for let alone buying. It is in fact a huge step back from 2003.
First of all the flaky Activesync 4 which has had minimal testing on anything approaching a real world PC. How could any developer worth anything have not tested this on a machine with half-decent secruity measures, especially moving the sync protocol to use the TCP/IP stack. TCP/IP -> firewall -doh! (not the laughable toy Windows Firewall either).
Onto the operating system itself, where do I start?
1. The new "improved" memory management???? where is the improvement. How can you class something an improvement when it slows everything down, makes usability more difficult.
2. The communications manager. ....why???? a dumb interface hiding access to needed functions, especially when you are setting up a wireless access, why put on a pointless window just to be able to "switch on" a function???
3.GPRS why hide functionality again? Why remove the connect option from the icon on the top bar. Why do I have to start an internet explorer session just to connect to GPRS?
4.Messaging. Why remove the send/receive button? now we have to press menu then navigate to the send/receive function. So much easier to use...I think not... and why is Outlook email the default, we are not all corporate clones yet
5.Contacts. Where are all the customisation funtions, why can't i arrange the display to suit me. Why can't i select more than one contact at a time, which bright spark of an MS designer (whose only experience of the real world is the trip to the coffee machine) thought it was a good idea to only select one contact at a time....
6. Uninstall programmes, doesn't work properly, stupid error message about not being able to uninstall completley, then bits being left over even in soft reset, making a hard reset inevitable. double doh!!!
7.Installation failures, for example installing MS own voice command, warns not to install on anything but main memory but then when that is selected comes up with a classic null error message, and takes up over 50% of the program memory anyway.
For those of us who haven't got time to sit and devise brilliant technical workarounds, for us who have to deal with an irate user group having this approximation of an upgrade forced upon them. WM5 is a complete waste of space.
I THINK Buzz got given a Universal....
skearon said:
jackygurui said:
Pyrofer said:
"It's very slow and it crashes all the time, plus it never sync my outlook well."
this is a fair comment, everyone is entitled to voice their opinions on windows.
Its just a shame that its so easy for people to make comments like this on WM2k5, I have to say, I am disapointed with overall speed. I think the swap into flash from RAM has contributed to this, but thats not the whole story.
My XDAII with 2k5 was faster than the universal. Bah. What did HTC or MS do wrong?
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Well, my calendar never gets synchronised properly. I only have my friday's activities every week when I told it synchronise everything. That's purely M$'s fault.
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What version of Outlook are you using? And have you applied the latest service pack ?
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I have applied the latest patch and it is syncing just fine.
I agree with much that has been said above. Is their anyway of uninstalling M$ WM2k5 and going back to 2k3 2nd ed on a Universal (I-mate JASJAR)?
Chris H
Chris H said:
I agree with much that has been said above. Is their anyway of uninstalling M$ WM2k5 and going back to 2k3 2nd ed on a Universal (I-mate JASJAR)?
Chris H
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I don't think can be go back to 2k3 2nd ed because Universal just design for wm2k5 , same as BA runnig for 2k3 2nd ed , if MS don't had wm2k5 text verson in BA that we can't get wm2k5 in BA , as I knew HTC just install the ROM proved by MS.
check Re: wm6 for Tmobile dash?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know the screen shots are a bit blurry so try to shrink it or photoshop if needed.
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/...9m_77c6bf5.jpg
-Main screen... not much different but a few icon changes
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/...9m_fe6ac41.jpg
-The new Mobile IE with a search bar
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/...9m_7aff6d7.jpg
-Active Sync 4.5.. modeled for Vista... when used with AS4.5Beta... the sync is so much more stable compared to AS4.2 or AS4.1...
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/...9m_f1cb263.jpg
-Internet Sharing eliminates the Wireless Modem application from prior versions. This is a major step up when tethering the phone to your laptop. it eliminates the need for the "HTC Modem" driver completely and the headache needed in "tricking" the device to work.
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/...9m_915de71.jpg
-Windows Live Messenger... just a small step up... Havn't tested the stability yet.
so are you telling us you have WM6 on your dash?
I cant see any of your pic. Can you check your links? I would love to see pics.
Here is the link to pics from brighthand.
Main screen... not much different but a few icon changes
The new Mobile IE with a search bar
Active Sync 4.5.. modeled for Vista... when used with AS4.5Beta... the sync is so much more stable compared to AS4.2 or AS4.1...
Internet Sharing eliminates the Wireless Modem application from prior versions. This is a major step up when tethering the phone to your laptop. it eliminates the need for the "HTC Modem" driver completely and the headache needed in "tricking" the device to work.
Windows Live Messenger... just a small step up... Havn't tested the stability yet.
djdanska said:
I cant see any of your pic. Can you check your links? I would love to see pics.
Here is the link to pics from brighthand.
Main screen... not much different but a few icon changes
The new Mobile IE with a search bar
Active Sync 4.5.. modeled for Vista... when used with AS4.5Beta... the sync is so much more stable compared to AS4.2 or AS4.1...
Internet Sharing eliminates the Wireless Modem application from prior versions. This is a major step up when tethering the phone to your laptop. it eliminates the need for the "HTC Modem" driver completely and the headache needed in "tricking" the device to work.
Windows Live Messenger... just a small step up... Havn't tested the stability yet.
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Their photoshopping skills need some work
no i wish i hd the ruu wm6 for excalibur but the member who posted this on brighthand works for htc
leoiden said:
no i wish i hd the ruu wm6 for excalibur but the member who posted this on brighthand works for htc
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There are some things that throw me off:
1.he post says the pictures where taken with an 8525. I don't know of any canera phone that has that bright of flash.
secondly, why is there a glare from a flash on every part of the phone but the screen.
On one picture you can see what looks like a bad edge when editing.
jcjdoss said:
There are some things that throw me off:
1.he post says the pictures where taken with an 8525. I don't know of any canera phone that has that bright of flash.
secondly, why is there a glare from a flash on every part of the phone but the screen.
On one picture you can see what looks like a bad edge when editing.
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Conspiracy?
No, wait that's not a flash in the sky, it's a flourescent light fixture. These pictures must have been taken in an office. The glare is from the light overhead and in one picture due to the angle you can actually see the next light fixture over.
HTC GUY works for HTC, he is an engineer and I would trust any pictures that he posts.
mar11974 said:
Conspiracy?
No, wait that's not a flash in the sky, it's a flourescent light fixture. These pictures must have been taken in an office. The glare is from the light overhead and in one picture due to the angle you can actually see the next light fixture over.
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The only thing that throws that off is how the light concentrates to the left. Even our halogen lights at my office do not beam that direct. That is hitting the device like direct sunlight vs a flourescent light as they light more evenly.
But I dont care really, I just like the pics and how WM6 may/does look.
pink
Engadget just posted some WM6 pics:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/windows-mobile-6-standard-in-pictures/
A few of the screenshots reference "Excalibur" and "JOGGR"...
Really cool pics, hopes WM6 ROM for excalibur will coming soon...
BTW, look at the Radio Version...is the same one in the latest excalibur ROM...So...
http://www.pdafrance.com/articles/l...700/Windows-Mobile-6---Premieres-impressions/
Windows Mobile 6 review running on the Dash....(French)
excaliber wm6
okay... so now we've seen the screen shots...how do i get wm6 on my excaliber?
Yeah, how do we get WM6 on our Dash?? I want this so bad!
almost everyone wants wm6. you'll just have to wait.
Hmmm, check out Geek's coverage...
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Feb/lab20070207002377.htm
... that device looks quite familiar don't ya think?! It is confirmed... WMP6 is on the Dash... now will it come to us?!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/11/windows-mobile-6-out-supports-new-resolutions-too/
Looks like we're officially going to see WM6 on the Dash in the upcoming months. Can't wait!
WM6 is released in the wild...
People...not sure if this thread is still active but those who read this and want wm6 (all be it a beta) on their phone real bad will love this...
Do a little searching for it on ... i'm not sure if the rules allow this but it's harmless really..search the major torrent search engines and ye shall find it. How do I know? Look who created it ;p (Hint: This major torrent search engine starts with a "D"...come on if you can't figure that one out your shouldn't be upgrading your phone in the first place -hehe)
Anyways...this is a UI Test build and it's pretty darn stable. It's been running on my dash for over a week now and no major bugs. Windows Live screen is a tad buggy (when attempting to log into Live the home screen gives error message and you have to change back to another screen...it works some times but it's far from perfect). Full HTML email (exchange 2007 only and some webmail..like hotmail and verizon dsl email... give you full HTML messages). The OZ chat client finally includes Messenger in the selection. My Bluetooth headest is a moto HS810 and it works...just a bit buggy...
What else...Oh yeah office mobile (editing capability) are back! Word, Excel, and Powerpoint and they work great so far. The new IE browser does have a search on the cool new "homepage"...though I haven't really found the quit/exit option...I have to kill it through the task manager...
Last thing which may just be because this is Beta still but I noticed that more application memory was being used on the average without any programs running. On a fresh boot there is more memory, but after loading a few and even after shutting them all down through task manager the memory doesn't seem to go back up past 10,000KB free...if you get it that high your lucky. Activesync works great even in Vista's mobile control center thing.
The only thing that isn't working is the Tmobile account WAP page when attempting to access via the NEW WINWAP app...it stated that this version isn't supported yet and if you are a tester you need to call them up and register in order to access via this version)
All in all a great release for those who just can't wait anymore for the stupid thing to get released. However it's 100% confirmed that the Tmobile Dash will be getting this upgrade to its current users for free...thus why I don't feel bad that you can find it in the wild...
I take no credit for this being released in any way! I found it on some lowly forum in which I don't even remember where. It wasn't very easy to find so I am helping people find it so they can test it.
gee i wonder where that was.
it was posted here first!
ppl.
gr33k said:
Last thing which may just be because this is Beta still but I noticed that more application memory was being used on the average without any programs running. On a fresh boot there is more memory, but after loading a few and even after shutting them all down through task manager the memory doesn't seem to go back up past 10,000KB free...if you get it that high your lucky. Activesync works great even in Vista's mobile control center thing.
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The reason that the memory usage is so high is primarily because of the additional T-Mobile apps that intercept SMS's (for IM's, e-mail, etc), as well as My-5, and some other T-Mobile stuff.
I'm guess that they also may have changed the way memory management is handled in this, because even when i get down to near zero free, i can still do everything just fine, without any extra lag or error messages. It could be something like how Vista caches things in RAM and actually has a goal of filling up as much as possible with cached items (which is a good thing).
I'm ready to upgrade/flash my Dash, but just wondering, what exactly is the upside of WM6? I'm happy to be an early adopter and all that, but what will I notice to be improved?
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
lafester said:
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
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Thanks! Could you be more specific about the e-mail enhancements?
you can view HTML e-mail.
canadian student said:
you can view HTML e-mail.
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Is that it? How about alert customization depending on the account or something?
I have the files on my PC ready to go but I'm still using WM5 because I don't want my device phoning Microsoft or T-Mobile with my IMEI or other information. While you can disable it, the idea that your device phone's home should be kind of scary to you. Also, its BETA. I don't want my phone going crazy while I am on the road and I need it most.
JAmerican
its more then just html but that is nice.
you have the option to send mail when you hit send instead of having to hit send/receive as well.
you can keep mail on the server when you delete off the phone.
delete is moved to the left softkey instead of having to go into the menu.
I'm using WM6 on two devices, and although I wouldn't go back to the previous version, WM6 is JUST LIKE WM5. It's just that the majority of the applications have something or another that makes it that much more usable.
What I mean is, there are quite a few little features (and a couple additional applications) that make it an "upgrade." It's just like how WM5 was an upgrade to WM2003. It isn't an upgrade as much as it's update, if that makes any sense...
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
installation process
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
richy240 said:
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
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He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
indiekiduk said:
He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
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Ugh... What app is that?!? Gotta make sure I uninstall that one...
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But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
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they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
lafester said:
they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
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But there isn't exactly a step by step guide, at least none I found on a search.
You could write one...
I am using WM6 since first HERMES build appear.
PRO
Faster
Nice grafic presentation
Some applets (office mobile for smartphone could be one)
Windows LIVE (but is also available ad WM5 add-on)
CON
Is at least a RTM bur still some beta's DLL and drivers are out, meaning unpredictable results with some appz
No big improvements, I am using smartphone notes and documents to go and I HAVE a better office sute, having even some PPT editing, nice word usability and formatting
Needs to be patched just to work normally
HTML e-mail works ONLY with exchange server 2007
Conclusion
The Excalibur HTC ROM is fast and stable (we are talking STABLE in terms of a windows system ). Documents to go is much better than WM6 office, no compatibility for both with office 2007 doc formats, nothing really improved having the WM6 Rom at this stage .
WM6 is a MS business to boost VISTA compatibility and exchange server 2005 sales (all important new features are available ONLY uif you use exchange server 2005)
From user point of view better graphic is the only real enhancement
WM6 really shines when you are a corporate user with Exchange 2007 airsync. You have stuff like rights management, sharepoint proxy, calendaring enhancements and better office integration (with lates office clients you can also use new formats). There is much more info on the M$FT website.
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
I'm interested too, and what about Battery usage & Speed (memory usage) ?
thanks
There´s quite a few threads with the same question and the answer is usually the same....Try the roms out.
To me is kind of rude when someone says"this one is better than that one" or stuff like that,because these rom cooks are using their time just for us and they don´t deserve those comparisons.....so like I said give different roms a shot and compare yourself.
bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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WM 6.1. can be managed from System Center Mobile Device Center (see http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/mobile/default.mspx). Thta's a big advantage for the large compagnies
The bluetooth pairing doesn't need the password 0000 toggled in.
Memory & battery usage are still the same.
Going back to WM6
bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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After many efforts to work with WM6.1 and with my apps I finally gave up: for the indevidual (and not companies) there still many bugs comparing to the stable WM6: annoying soft-reset, many apps are well integraded with WM6.1 etc.
Sorry, but I do not see how WM6.1 is better than WM6.
but are any of the roms real 6.1...or just lookie likey?????
i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...
Question about pocket excell and word
I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?
To Simkand
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Iphone ? ha ha ha ha
It's so buggy and you need itunes to use it .......
If you want another interface, try ifonz or another one available here
I use now WM6.1 on 3 devices : a trinity, a blue angel and a smartphone : so far so good
And I am not a big fan of Bill !
iPhone
I bought two 8 Gig iPhones the first day they came out. One for myself, and one for my wife. The very next day, I returned mine (10% return charge).
My wife loves it because it's VERY simple to use, and you cannot mess things up easily. But for me, you have to HACK the PISS out of it to get it to do ANYTHING! It's network is dog slow, no MMS, no GPS, no SD slot, no programs to install, (untill I hacked it), it crashes more often than my WM6 devices, JOBS Locks it down every chance he gets, iTunes SUCKS and crashes Windows! I will admit, the screen and the multi-touch is impressive! It makes a GREAT iPod, but a usable communications tool, it's not.
Even with all the hacks on it, it still does not compare to WM6. WM has litterally thousands of software programs you can use freely for just about anything. I'm sure in time, the iPhone will get closer, but for now, not for me.
My biggest pet peeve was the fact that my appointments would not show up on the main screen when I first turn it on. That's something I insist on with my WM phone.
If you want a great TOY with a fantastic screen, then it's fine.
i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages
simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ...
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Why not trying the new SPB Mobile Shell 2.0?
I am very happy with this.
I apologize for getting side tracked.
iPhone does have a great GUI, it's just locked down making it hard to modify, at least for now.
You are right, WM 6.1 GUI is basically the same. Thanks Bill!
WM 6.1 adds the threaded SMS as mentioned before. It IS slower, but I prefer this layout.
The task manager now shows a LOT more information including running processes, memory consumption, & CPU consumption.
I'm not having any of the problems reported by other users (ie: program incompatibilities, crashes, bluetooth, activesync, etc...), so it's MUCH quicker running on my phone.
Bluetooth is Much more reliable, and simple to hook up (0000 is automatic).
Browsing in File Explorer is Much Quicker.
It might just be me, but my speaker phone seems a bit louder.
Managed Programs as mentioned by Stingray66.
Wireless Lan seems to have less trouble for me. Stays connected without having to set it up constantly.
Just my experiences.
6.1 is perfect for my Trinity, RAM memory avalaible about 25 Mb, A2DP is perfect and direct, without password, multitasking in best way.-
I don´t like the easy touch interface, but in fact, with SPB pocket plus interface is working perfect and with your own custom interface.-
I can see youtube and flash videos, no problem with video and audio files and 100% compatible with Corecodec media player.-
In my own opinion is the best OS for my trinity.-
Thanks Landy.-
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i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.
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I agree and .NET 3.5 can be added too. With the tool of Modaco (.NET Configuration) it's possible to switch between .NET versions and even configure the version for each application.
simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...
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Microsoft Mobile NOOB, too much alcohol or just talking bull****?
Ignore this guy ....
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I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?
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No, WM6 can have integrated Office 6.1 too.
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i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages
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Yep, threaded SMS ... another advantage of WM 6.1
Hi.
What are you all talking about. There is no official WM6.1 for Trinity, all this ROM - is home made. This is just vinaigrette, mess of different ROM, as well as WM6.
I don't know why but text messages on my US TMOB TP2 make this phone one of the most irritating devices I have ever owned. I am using stock 6.1 and the device lags so incredibly it is beyond description. One of the reasons that I purchased this particular model was because I wanted to be able to bang out quick text messages hence a full qwerty keyboard. I sometimes have to wait over a minute for it to stop thinking before I can access my messaging. And god forbid I am actually trying to accomplish something when somebody interrups me with a text message. Can I down grade this to WM5? I have almost had it!!!
Is it just me, or are a large percentage of the people who complain about this phone with T-Mobile?
From my experience my unbranded TP2 is just great using hardware keyboard
Of course not better keyboard then my beloved Universal but from the new devices TP2 is the best one with kb this days
I feel ya!
Well I do not have the T-Mobile TP2 but I have a Tilt 2 and on the stock WM6.5 is could get laggy if I have a lot of messages.... try clearing your inbox and that will help out! Now that may take a while to actually do the clearing, but don't worry the device is still deleting. My recommendation would be to look around the Rhodium ROM development forum and read up on custom ROMs or maybe an official T-Mobile 6.5 ROM. I am currently using TPC's ROM which should work w/o a problem on your T-Mobile TP2!
It really is a great phone and has one of the best keyboards around imo! So if you are willing to go for it and try an after-market ROM I recommend it, and its pretty easy although ya know you run a few risks (albeit low)!
Good Luck to ya!
Oh and no I do not think WM5 is an option!
i have a tmo tp2 and i have NEVER experienced keyboard issues. You prolly have very low memory problems or cache issues...if ur getting lag you prolly need to check your memory in task mnger and see how much program memory is in usage. download app called clean ram its a good utility to clear up loose memory.Delete history in your internet browser also when need be, stuff like this for cleanin up your memory is mandatory, also see the thread about TMO keyboard fix and see if you need that cab, search rhodium app section. You may have a bad/recalled phone also so i suggest you take it back to tmo if your still having problems afterwards.
This is stock ROM for you.
I had similar issues, but a cooked WM6.5.1 ROM reduced lags considerably.
Still, Windows Mobile leaves much to be desired.
My RAM is never above 56%. I do not run many multiple apps simultaneously. This issue of mine is not keyboard related either. It is software related because it doesn't matter whether I am using the keyboard or not. It just seems like the messaging portion just has a lot of thinking to do. I tap to view something and it just stalls out. Every other app runs fairly smooth. Sending picture messages basically is a 5 minute job. Very annoying. It also doesn't matter if I am using TF3D or not.
I've not done much in the way of messaging yet, but I've noticed that anytime I let PIE or Windows Explorer do anything that requires them to access the filesystem the wait begins. I've tried tweaking the cache size with Memmaid and it helped a bit, but it's still unacceptably slow. Enough to where I never ever use Windows Explorer now, and don't let PIE access the filesystem on the SD card.
I'm not trying to hijack your thread here. I think that your problem is my problem and it has to do with a defect in our devices that causes extreme slowness when the filesystem needs to be read by the OS, or specifically how that is implemented on this particular device. My iPaq 210 has no problem, Windows Explorer on it is almost instant in reading all filesystems, even the Windows directory itself. And with any of my many CE, PPC, and WM devices I've never had a similar problem.
you got some other issues going on, the stock tmobile rom was glorious for me, although now im on a official 6.5 rom euro style. Its got nothing to do with being tmobile either, and this place is mostly gsm thats why theres mostly tmobile complaints, and its been out longer than at&ts........
i never had a problem with the stock rom for tmobile either.
Try out SMS-Chat from VITO. That thing is faster than lightening to text with.
Man, I am PRETTY sure I was reading on XDA the first week TP2 came out for Tmo about HTC sending out devices with memory error? like some devices not having as much RAM as stated? I could be wrong by try to search. Maybe it could be that? warranty what?
Oh, and I am a texting whore (10,000-15,000/month EASY) thanks to my job and lifestyle and I have tried many phones in my life...the TP2 is amazing.
My gripe with the TP2 (or TMo Vario V with a stock TMo 6.5 ROM) is the inconsistency of the UI.
I get a different texting screen if I start texting from favourite people or from the all contacts list.
The "all programs" listing is different when started from the manila tab or from the windows key/symbol. And I didn't even start ranting on the subject of the calendar ...
Robert
rfka01 said:
My gripe with the TP2 (or TMo Vario V with a stock TMo 6.5 ROM) is the inconsistency of the UI.
I get a different texting screen if I start texting from favourite people or from the all contacts list.
The "all programs" listing is different when started from the manila tab or from the windows key/symbol. And I didn't even start ranting on the subject of the calendar ...
Robert
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This is why I ditched the HTC UI ASAP and went with a custom 6.5 ROM with Titanium...thing's a beast!
Hard reset solved the problem. Thinking of custom 6.5 ROM now since TMOBUS doesn't look promising.