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Wireless Sniffing

Part of my work in network administration is to locate and deal with "rogue" access points that might comprimise network security. Currently I'm using a Sharp Zaurus with Kismet to do this, but I don't always carry it with me and I DO always have my Cingular/AT&T 8525. I basically need a program that will capture all packets from the air into a file that can later be analyzed with Wireshark (Ethereal).
Yesterday I did a search of the Hermes threads looking for such a program and found several for MW5 and TyTn, (which I assume is another Hermes phone). None of them work, because they can't/don't put my WIFI interface into promiscuous mode.
From what I have read, it seems that the wireless drivers are the key here. I'm currently running ROM version vp3G 3.0.0 with Radio 1.41.00.10, which I downloaded from a link found here. Previously I had used several others of the excellent WM6 ROMs available on this forum, but never tried using the 8525 as a sniffer with any of them.
Question: Does anyone know of a ROM/software configuration for the 8525 that will allow promiscuous sniffing of WI-FI networks?
TIA
Walt

Damn, u want your phone to launch missles or something too?

yea and i want an tool to sniff the password of wpa-psk TKIP
thats where the best moment of my life.

Long as we are making requests, I need a packet sniffer that works for the gprs radio of my phone, not the wifi radio. Is there such a creature?
I am no pro at wifi sniffing, but this program had a promiscuous mode, I think.
http://www.airscanner.com/downloads/sniffer/sniffer.html

Long as we are making requests, I need a packet sniffer that works for the gprs radio of my phone, not the wifi radio. Is there such a creature?
I am no pro at wifi sniffing, but this program had a promiscuous mode, I think.
http://www.airscanner.com/downloads/...r/sniffer.html
Yesterday 12:23 PM
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Now that WOULD be cool! Maybe illegal? Would sniffing data from a cellular connection be the same thing as a cellular wiretap?
I did try AirScanner, and it's a great sniffer, but it won't put the wireless I/F into promiscuous mode, so I can only look at packets addressed to my device.
What I'm really trying to learn here, missles notwithstanding ;D is whether or not this is a hardware limitation. If not, then I will continue to look for software and/or ROM drivers that will work.
Walt

try aircrack

larsuck said:
Long as we are making requests, I need a packet sniffer that works for the gprs radio of my phone, not the wifi radio. Is there such a creature?
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Not sure what you'd achieve, as encryption is negotiated between each SIM and its authorising server. Intermediate equipment only gets to see the encrypted stream. Even if your chipset was capable of full-time reception, your battery would go down a lot quicker, and all you'd see is how many channels and timeslots are in use, if that!

I need to sniff the ip info of my data connection. I have tried almost every other means of getting it and am at my wits end. I figured it was probably encoded, but at this point I am grasping at straws.

I have used VXsniffer before (http://www.cambridgevx.com) on one of my Ipaq PDAs and it worked great but that was about 2 years ago. I have not been able to find any intrusive "sniffing" programs that have worked on my Tytn but there are tools out there that work with the current ROMs (VP3G's and Schaps) that are like Ministumbler and will show you AP locations. (Wififofum and SniffThis come to mind) They have their bugs but in general they work.
I searched for days when I first got my Tytn for an intrusive sniffer and never found anything.
Brad

I've used WiFiFoFum and Mini Stumbler (off-shoot of network stumbler). I can't say from memory if they do promiscuous or just passive scanning, but both produce results that can be analyzed in NetStumbler or Ethereal.
-Steve
walts said:
Part of my work in network administration is to locate and deal with "rogue" access points that might comprimise network security. Currently I'm using a Sharp Zaurus with Kismet to do this, but I don't always carry it with me and I DO always have my Cingular/AT&T 8525. I basically need a program that will capture all packets from the air into a file that can later be analyzed with Wireshark (Ethereal).
Yesterday I did a search of the Hermes threads looking for such a program and found several for MW5 and TyTn, (which I assume is another Hermes phone). None of them work, because they can't/don't put my WIFI interface into promiscuous mode.
From what I have read, it seems that the wireless drivers are the key here. I'm currently running ROM version vp3G 3.0.0 with Radio 1.41.00.10, which I downloaded from a link found here. Previously I had used several others of the excellent WM6 ROMs available on this forum, but never tried using the 8525 as a sniffer with any of them.
Question: Does anyone know of a ROM/software configuration for the 8525 that will allow promiscuous sniffing of WI-FI networks?
TIA
Walt
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I have never heard of promisc mode being possible on any WM device. I believe i've read that it is in fact a hardware limitation. but who knows, with all the hacked drivers that float around maybe someone will get around this.
now that i mention it... it could be sufficient to disassemble the wireless drivers / ip stack (they are NOT on the radio rom) and NOP out the function that checks the mac address. or change the branch instruction at the end of it to "always execute" as if it were matching the device's own mac address. hmm. it wouldn't be true promisc mode, but it could work.
think i might give it a go myself.
in the mean time, if youre concerned about rogue APs on your network, check out my recent post about my discovery of how to enable Internet Sharing over WiFi (turns the phone into an Access Point):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332360
not directly related, but might be of interest.
fluxist

larsuck said:
I need to sniff the ip info of my data connection. I have tried almost every other means of getting it and am at my wits end. I figured it was probably encoded, but at this point I am grasping at straws.
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Tried vxIPConfig from Cambridge (http://www.cambridgevx.com) ?

gregnash said:
Tried vxIPConfig from Cambridge (http://www.cambridgevx.comhttp://www.cam.com) ?
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Looks like it could be a winner. Since I do not know enough of the teck behind it all, if someone tries this out and it works out, report back your findings for the rest of us
GB

walts said:
Question: Does anyone know of a ROM/software configuration for the 8525 that will allow promiscuous sniffing of WI-FI networks?
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For trinity and hermes, I've found nothing. Drivers... you know
But Airscanner is the best, I'm using it on an Ipaq...
Ciao

larsuck said:
I need to sniff the ip info of my data connection. I have tried almost every other means of getting it and am at my wits end. I figured it was probably encoded, but at this point I am grasping at straws.
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try to tether and run www.speedtest.net unless your network is on a proxy
from your computer it will be easy to dermine the IP. www.speedtest.com is easy because it tels your speed + ip and carrier connection

gemblaster said:
Looks like it could be a winner. Since I do not know enough of the teck behind it all, if someone tries this out and it works out, report back your findings for the rest of us
GB
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vxIPConfig is not a packet sniffing tool like Wireshark (Ethereal) or the like. It gives you "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" functions and can give you TCP, UDP and IP stats but can’t actually capture the packets and view the encapsulation headers.
AirScanner and vxSniffer are the only 2 moderately priced utilities that can do that for WindowsMobile that I am aware of.

Park City said:
vxIPConfig is not a packet sniffing tool like Wireshark (Ethereal) or the like. It gives you "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" functions and can give you TCP, UDP and IP stats but can’t actually capture the packets and view the encapsulation headers.
AirScanner and vxSniffer are the only 2 moderately priced utilities that can do that for WindowsMobile that I am aware of.
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Just checked those two out and our Hermes WiFi adapter doesn't support promiscuous mode

Memnoch30 said:
Just checked those two out and our Hermes WiFi adapter doesn't support promiscuous mode
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Is there anyone that understands the inner workings of our WiFi adaptors and drivers that may be able to shed some light if there would be a hack that would make our Hermes compatable with these programs? If so then maybe the search could be over . So far this looks like the closest it's come.

Sniffing
I also am in the field of network security.
I use Wififofum for searching and logging all wireless networks. It has filters such as show only non secure etc. It also has GPS log support. You can then convert the log files to upload as a overlay on google earth.
Airscanner works great on the trinity as a packet sniffer of the wireless.
Just my 2cents

It doesn't matter how many programs you try it won't work. Promiscuous mode is being prevented by the driver. The only possible work around would be if someone made a new driver using an open source driver. Since HTC has not released any open source drivers for their device I see no possible solution.

Internet Sharing over WiFi

Windows Mobile 6 devices offer Internet Sharing feature for Bluetooth and USB. It works in this way that you start Internet Sharing application inside of your Windows Mobile phone and then other devices can share the Internet connection. What if you could fool Windows Mobile phone and instead of Bluetooth use WiFi? Would it be possible? Yes, it is:
how to use Internet Sharing over WiFi, which essentially makes the Hermes an Access Point.
Do the following:
1) Open Settings->Internet Sharing. Enable IS for Bluetooth PAN.
2) Change HKLM\Comm\ConnectionSharing\PrivateInterface to "TIACXWLN1" (it should currently be "BTPAN1").
3) Open Settings-> Connections -> Wi-Fi. Select Network Adapters tab. Click IEEE 802.11b/g Compatible Wi-Fi.
4) Enter IP address 192.168.1.1 and subnet mask 255.255.255.0. Click OK.
5) Select Wireless tab. Add New.. to add the Network name for your ad-hoc network (I prefer "adhoc"
6) Set the client computer to use the same ad-hoc network. Client will receive an IP address from the device (don't need to manually set the IP).
I got this from a different website.
detailed information on this topic you can fined at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332360
edward

Edward!! you rock! this has got to be the sweetest thing, since wm6..for me atleast, Im actually posting from my old hacked OSX x86, I really cant believe this worked, but it did.
Thanks a ton for sharing the info.

Edward, Can you plse explain why you set the wifi adaptor to a fixed IP?
The 192.168.1.1 is as far as I know only valid if the router has the 192.168.1 range. For me it should be 192.168.123. ...
Thx for an explanation.

a cab would be perfect!
Yes! A very nice feature; could this be put in as a cab?
Or better, in the comm manager.....
Anyone?

aeroke said:
Edward, Can you plse explain why you set the wifi adaptor to a fixed IP?
The 192.168.1.1 is as far as I know only valid if the router has the 192.168.1 range. For me it should be 192.168.123. ...
Thx for an explanation.
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Your phone is now the router.

edward-riko
I tried the steps to the letter however, I am unable to connect. I tried on one device running Schaps 3.54c & the other vp3G. I get confused after I complete the step "select wireless tab then add new." The new wireless network shows unavailable on my device" I think I'm unsure how to configure the connection on the PC side. I'm unable to get the wireless configurator to allow me to input a specific IP address. I'm using Windows XP Pro. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

OK, I have been resisting, but why would you do this.
If you are using wifi to access the Internet, and the phone and PC both have wifi (in order to use wifi sharing), why not just access the wifi directly from the PC? Sorry to be thick, but I don't see why you would want this?

todd_jg said:
OK, I have been resisting, but why would you do this.
If you are using wifi to access the Internet, and the phone and PC both have wifi (in order to use wifi sharing), why not just access the wifi directly from the PC? Sorry to be thick, but I don't see why you would want this?
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and if you don't have WiFi access to the Internet but only cellular access?

cp1md2b said:
edward-riko
I tried the steps to the letter however, I am unable to connect. I tried on one device running Schaps 3.54c & the other vp3G. I get confused after I complete the step "select wireless tab then add new." The new wireless network shows unavailable on my device" I think I'm unsure how to configure the connection on the PC side. I'm unable to get the wireless configurator to allow me to input a specific IP address. I'm using Windows XP Pro. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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play with this some more it will work in the end
do it systematically
edward

edward-riko said:
and if you don't have WiFi access to the Internet but only cellular access?
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Hah! I knew I must have been missing something. Thanks.

WiFi & WM5?
Does this work on WM5? The instructions don't seem to match for me. Can someone tell me how to do this on WM5?

Nautme said:
Does this work on WM5? The instructions don't seem to match for me. Can someone tell me how to do this on WM5?
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no it will not

THANK YOU
I have tried this out and it apprears to work pretty well- thank you so much, I had hoped this would be figured out. i had the idea to do this but not the technical know how.

This is awesome
but you know what would be also interesting?
to be able to share the wifi connection over Bluetooth or usb instead of the cellular.
Basically using the phone as a wifi adapter.
What say you?

titan 6800
Has any one gotten this to work with the 6800? The registry key for bluetooth is different.
Thanks
Garvin.

edward-riko said:
Do the following:
1) Open Settings->Internet Sharing. Enable IS for Bluetooth PAN.
2) Change HKLM\Comm\ConnectionSharing\PrivateInterface to "TIACXWLN1" (it should currently be "BTPAN1").
3) Open Settings-> Connections -> Wi-Fi. Select Network Adapters tab. Click IEEE 802.11b/g Compatible Wi-Fi.
4) Enter IP address 192.168.1.1 and subnet mask 255.255.255.0. Click OK.
5) Select Wireless tab. Add New.. to add the Network name for your ad-hoc network (I prefer "adhoc"
6) Set the client computer to use the same ad-hoc network. Client will receive an IP address from the device (don't need to manually set the IP).
I got this from a different website.
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Actually, it came from this site - we've been discussing it for days in the Development and Hacking forum! It was in this post by Fluxist who'd discovered it in the first place, and the other sites have been following suit... we're working on a more elegant way to do it now. And you directly quoted his post!
I'm going to be trying to write a full-on NAT router for it I think, although we're seeing if we can do a basic version for now.

man, i cannot belive this..
that is amazing

N2A said:
Actually, it came from this site - we've been discussing it for days in the Development and Hacking forum! It was in this post by Fluxist who'd discovered it in the first place, and the other sites have been following suit... we're working on a more elegant way to do it now. And you directly quoted his post!
I'm going to be trying to write a full-on NAT router for it I think, although we're seeing if we can do a basic version for now.
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i took it from PPCGeeks forum
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9340
sorry if i a fended you in any way and good luck with your work
edward

killershot20 said:
This is awesome
but you know what would be also interesting?
to be able to share the wifi connection over Bluetooth or usb instead of the cellular.
Basically using the phone as a wifi adapter.
What say you?
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I was thinking the same thing. I frequently stay in foreign hotels in which are "unwired." I'd love to use my phone as the registered device when buying wifi so that I could make VOIP calls and check my e-mails on ground and tether it to my notebook back in the roam. In Dubai, you can get hooked for $30 a day for wifi.

edward-riko said:
i took it from PPCGeeks forum
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9340
sorry if i a fended you in any way and good luck with your work
edward
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Heh, it's cool dude - PPCGeeks got it from us - but check your research ;-) No point having duplicate threads.

HTC Tytn Acting as a Wifi Adapter

Hello All,
I would like to connect my laptop and my HTC Tytn using the USB Cable and then use the HTC Wifi Adapter to connect my laptop to a hot spot?
Is that possible?
Thanks in advance!

I *think* this is possible but I honestly have no idea as I have never tried it, it is only an idea.
Here is how you would do it (in theory):
1) Connect phone to wifi spot.
2) Turn on Internet Connection Sharing on the phone, selecting USB mode
3) Connect laptop to phone with USB cable.
If all goes well you will have access. I have only done this though with a regular Edge/3G connection, never with a wifi connection, so I can't be sure it will work like that.
Your other answer is to just buy a wireless card for your laptop, they're not that expensive and will be faster wifi then what the Hermes has.

Nope, does not work with the standard internetsharing app.
And as far as i know there is no existing app. that can share the wifi. If there is, i like to know too!

I believe you can but you have to do a registry change that for internet sharing app that changes the input from the cellular modem to the wifi card.

sprice82 said:
I believe you can but you have to do a registry change that for internet sharing app that changes the input from the cellular modem to the wifi card.
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Doesn't work that way - it's rigged to share the 3G/GPRS via wifi, not the other way around.

Have a read through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332360 it mentions a few different combinations.

Thank you all guys!

gregnash said:
Have a read through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332360 it mentions a few different combinations.
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No, that is about creating a wifi-acces point of your WM-device. The question here was to create a wifi-adapter.
But i searched a lot of threads about this, and this confusion is everywhere.

Yes, this is about creating a AP...i'm going to keep looking....
Thanks!

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No, that is about creating a wifi-acces point of your WM-device. The question here was to create a wifi-adapter.
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Correct, but a few pages into that thread people ask about different combinations of public/private interface, and the current known possibilities and limitations are discussed.

gregnash said:
Correct, but a few pages into that thread people ask about different combinations of public/private interface, and the current known possibilities and limitations are discussed.
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im trying to do this at the moment too, getting the computer to notice the usb connection as a network card or modem is going to be the trick i think.
i should just spend the $30 and get a wifi dongle from ebay.

Yes st3v3 but that would be easy... LoL

WIFI to USB App please!

I need an application that does WIFI to USB internet sharing.
Internet sharing of wifi internet to my pc via usb.
Please suggest me an app that does this!
I know wmwifirouter does this but Wmwifirouter is expensive and is spyware.
Wmwifirouter monitors your activity and reports to the developer!
Any alternative app for wifi to usb internet sharing???

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377047

this will do the trick:
HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing

oldsap said:
this will do the trick:
HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing
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Doesn't that just turn your phone into a wireless router to share your phones data with PC?
I think the OP was after a way to use the phone as a usb wireless adapter to use an existing wireless network on his PC.

buzz83 said:
Doesn't that just turn your phone into a wireless router to share your phones data with PC?
I think the OP was after a way to use the phone as a usb wireless adapter to use an existing wireless network on his PC.
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wrong number sorry buzz83

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wrong number sorry buzz83
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No worries mate. Love your work... just didn't want to confuse the OP with multiple apps.

Is there any way to do the same thing by bluetooth?
I mean, to share the wifi over bluetooth..

oldsap said:
this will do the trick:
HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing
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Unfortunately, HTC CM Wifi Internet sharing does 3g to wifi.
What i need is wifi to usb.
Any alternatives for WIFI to USB?

legion1911 said:
Wmwifirouter (...) is spyware.
Wmwifirouter monitors your activity and reports to the developer!
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Can you prove this? Such a statement is inacceptable, if there is no good reason to claim it spyware!
Not only for me WMWiFiRouter has always been a great piece of software and worth every penny...

Matzix said:
Can you prove this? Such a statement is inacceptable, if there is no good reason to claim it spyware!
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They admit it in the licence agreement. Did you read it?
Read the licence agreement, chapter "monitoring".
And... they write:
"Morose Media reserves the right to remotely disable use of the Software."
How do you think they "remotely disable" the software on your device?
The software comunicates with the developer.

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They admit it in the licence agreement. Did you read it?
Read the licence agreement, chapter "monitoring".
And... they write:
"Morose Media reserves the right to remotely disable use of the Software."
How do you think they "remotely disable" the software on your device?
The software comunicates with the developer.
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Spyware is software that sends information without communicating to the users that it will be doing it. The very fact that you think you read it in the license agreement means that it is not, in point of fact, spyware.

scotchua said:
Spyware is software that sends information without communicating to the users that it will be doing it.
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And my definition of spyware is a software that send information to its developer, without asking the user. The fact that nobody seems to know that it does this, even fits your defitinion.

Desire to use PC's internet

Is there anyway I can have my desire use my PC's internet when it is connected via usb?
At this stage I dont have wifi at work and cant use that method.
Essentially I want to reverse the direction of tethering when the phone is connected to my computer.
Thanks, Dean

Unfortunately, reverse tethering or connecting the phone through computer's Internet connection (through an ad hoc wifi) is not possible, which is quite annoying. It would be nice if this type of feature, although highly unlikely, could be incorporated an upcoming ROM update for example.

That is annoying, especially since I could do this with my old WM - although thanks for the reply and info.
I wonder if it could be done through an app perhaps.
Cheers, Dean

dwphoto said:
That is annoying, especially since I could do this with my old WM - although thanks for the reply and info.
I wonder if it could be done through an app perhaps.
Cheers, Dean
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Yes it's extremely annoying. I had this on my HD and HD2, but i really don't know why HTC could not incorporate this with the Desire. Afterall, it's a desirable (excuse pun) feature.

it has nothing to do with your phone, since it all depends on the host computer. On mac: you can do it easily by sharing your internet connection in system preferences.

MasDroid said:
Unfortunately, reverse tethering or connecting the phone through computer's Internet connection (through an ad hoc wifi) is not possible, which is quite annoying. It would be nice if this type of feature, although highly unlikely, could be incorporated an upcoming ROM update for example.
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maybe i misunderstood you, but its perfectly possible to make an adhoc wifi network, and connect to the internet on your desire
pina_ said:
it has nothing to do with your phone, since it all depends on the host computer. On mac: you can do it easily by sharing your internet connection in system preferences.
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it has everything to do with your phone. If the phone has no interface for it, it won't work.
Can't say whether it works or not, just saying that it does not depend solely on your computer

ziao said:
maybe i misunderstood you, but its perfectly possible to make an adhoc wifi network, and connect to the internet on your desire
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I dont think so ... I have tried and also read that it doesnot work!

rackspace said:
I dont think so ... I have tried and also read that it doesnot work!
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odd, because i use it nearly everyday

So does this mean I can do it or not ?
Do I need and ad-hoc wifi network - what exactly is this ?
Thanks

dwphoto said:
So does this mean I can do it or not ?
Do I need and ad-hoc wifi network - what exactly is this ?
Thanks
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If your computer has a wifi card (laptops usually do, desktops don't) you can create a local network and connect your desire to it.
No idea if it's possible over a wire

You don't need to create an ad-hoc network, just download connectify and use it as a hotspot on your laptop, then connect the Desire to the hotspot you just created and that's it.

neur0x said:
You don't need to create an ad-hoc network, just download connectify and use it as a hotspot on your laptop, then connect the Desire to the hotspot you just created and that's it.
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Ahh that is handy!
Thanks for the tip

I created an adhoc network following this: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/setup/adhoc.mspx
The host laptop itself can see the adhoc network, but desire cannot.
Any ideas?

Maybe I'm wrong but AFAIK Desire can't 'see' ad-hoc networks, only access points. You can get internet from PC, but only using Connectify under Windows 7 or by using advanced magic under Linux.
Am I right or something has changed lately?
BTW: does anybody share internet from Linux? Any suggestions?

As far as i know, you can only see an ad-hoc network if you have the desire rooted and change some files somewhere (can't remember which ones...), either way the next best thing is to use some kind of software that creates an Wifi Access Point.

I don't get it: why would you want to connect to the internet via your PC instead of directly connecting to your WiFi router ?

Maybe when you only have a LAN-connection?

Or Maybe when your in Work and only have a Lan Setup
and want to access / download things on your phone,
Reverse USB tethering would be AMAZING!!!!!

Flaggie said:
Maybe when you only have a LAN-connection?
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Stupid me, just hadn't realized that still not everyone has a WiFi capable router nowadays...

The problem with ad-hoc internet sharing is that your host PC still needs a WiFi connection. You can't use internet through USB. I've tried it yesterday at work (yes, for the Froyo update ), but no succes.
Having a smartphone in a country with high mobile data costs is like having a Ferrari to do your local grocery shopping Fortunately I'll have unlimited mobile internet next week. So I can finally use my Desire as intended.