Question: Diamond vs Raphael display drivers - Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development

On one hand , I check and double check that, so far as hardware is concerned , both Diamond and Raphael have exactly the same display specification :
- Display resolution : 480 x 640 (Colors: 65536)
On the other hand, I can see it , with my own eyes , that compared to Diamond, all images (lines, fonts, icons, pictures, colors, wallpapers ...) are extremely sharper , crispier and more vivid on Raphael's screen.
Why is there such big dispaly difference between two devices with identical display hardware?
Could it be that there are different display drivers used in Raphael? (although I'm sure if it were the case, our good chefs had already done that). But is it possible to reproduce Raphael's crystal-clear and intense vividness on Diamond?
WARNING!!
EDIT: It is now officially confirmed that many of the HTC Touch Diamonds arrive at your door with a faulty rubbish screen - the LCDs of which have noticeable light leaks with pale or yellowish screens that can never produce a bright vivid image a true VGA screen is able to display.
It is said that the screen of these diamonds are made in China and are far below the true VGA standards. So beware beware ! If you buy a Touch Diamond, FIRST check the screen quality and (if possible) have it compared with the screen of a Touch Pro. The images on both of these devices must be exactly identical. If not, then you've been robbed !
Please also read the complaints made by some other users in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411487

i have a diamond and a touch pro, and i don't see any difference in both display
maybe a lil bit brighter for the touch pro screen, but that's probably just because of the touch pro's screen being newer

After having my old N95 for a little over a year, the screen died. The hardware revision of the LCD was v1.0.
When I got it replaced, the LCD hardware revision was v1.3.
The newer screen was so much brighter and more vivid I could not believe it.
If the same holds true the newer Diamond screen could be much better also! Guess we have to wait...

Maybe they were just made from different manufacturer's. Like when the psp first came out. The lcd's were from Sharp and then later replaced with Samsung. Thou the Sharp lcd were said to be better if i'm not wrong.

i believe its LCD build related. the later Diamonds have a slightly brighter and crisper screen compared to the first batch

Baronic said:
i believe its LCD build related. the later Diamonds have a slightly brighter and crisper screen compared to the first batch
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how could we check the built/model# of the LCD on either of the devices?

Bardia Garsha said:
how could we check the built/model# of the LCD on either of the devices?
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It's usually printed on the circuit board. You'd have to pull it out.

if you really want to do this you should refer to this service manual, provided by the wiki-users:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Service_Manual

I compared the lcd of orange and o2 diamond. the o2 uk one is much better than the original htc and the orange one. i am very happy with the ignito lcd is perfect.

My father has the Touch Pro, I have the Touch Diamond. I have to say that there is absolutely no difference in screen quality, they look exactly identical.

sumitescp said:
I compared the lcd of orange and o2 diamond. the o2 uk one is much better than the original htc and the orange one. i am very happy with the ignito lcd is perfect.
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what you're saying will make my life difficult. if we accept that different networks have their Diamonds built differently (as opposed to they're all being manufactured by HTC in Taiwan) then perhaps even if i succeed in convincing Orange to replace my device, i'll end up receiving another Diamond will the same old "pale" and weak screen - because it will come from Orange again.
up to now i was under the impression that HTC applies some merely cosmetic alterations on Diamond for various networks and that the actual base/boards/chips ...etc. are exactly the same and all manufactured and/or assembled at HTC firm in Taiwan.

Bardia Garsha said:
what you're saying will make my life difficult. if we accept that different networks have their Diamonds built differently (as opposed to they're all being manufactured by HTC in Taiwan) then perhaps even if i succeed in convincing Orange to replace my device, i'll end up receiving another Diamond will the same old "pale" and weak screen - because it will come from Orange again.
up to now i was under the impression that HTC applies some merely cosmetic alterations on Diamond for various networks and that the actual base/boards/chips ...etc. are exactly the same and all manufactured and/or assembled at HTC firm in Taiwan.
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i doubt it.
normally companies like htc will have acouple factories and i believe its up to those factory managers to order the parts.
this is why recalls on products are always a low number instead of all the items. since most products are made in several differnt factories.

reading some of the posts in this thread I really had the feeling that perhaps I am the odd one out (because everybody seems to be happy with the screen quality of his Diamond). and to be the odd one out is a nasty feeling indeed !
but today I noticed that the same issue have been disscussed here and there are so many people with the same issue http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411487
so i'm not the only one having a diamond with a ****-yellowish screen ! in fact, i can say that any one of you guys who have a diamond with a screen quality as good as a Raphael screen, should be a very lucky guy.

Bardia Garsha said:
reading some of the posts in this thread I really had the feeling that perhaps I am the odd one out (because everybody seems to be happy with the screen quality of his Diamond). and to be the odd one out is a nasty feeling indeed !
but today I noticed that the same issue have been disscussed here and there are so many people with the same issue http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411487
so i'm not the only one having a diamond with a ****-yellowish screen ! in fact, i can say that any one of you guys who have a diamond with a screen quality as good as a Raphael screen, should be a very lucky guy.
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Don't be worried, sometimes i've the same feeling, but bigger, because the purchase of my Diamond (O2 XDA Diamond) it was the most stupid business that i have ever made in my all live....

That is why i changed to the ignito which is the o2 uk version of the diamond with a flat back. because watching videos on an orange uk diamond is crap. ignitos screen is perfect. the colours are perfect. i just love it. i will post some pictures later.

qtek_metanol said:
Don't be worried, sometimes i've the same feeling, but bigger, because the purchase of my Diamond (O2 XDA Diamond) it was the most stupid business that i have ever made in my all live....
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I just wonder why we do not put together an awareness campaign (something like the one some of the guys of XDA started in HTCClassAction.org) ?
This is really unacceptable. After the infamous Kaiser's display_driver issue, now we are facing another ugly rip-off by HTC - this time they are putting an expensive device on our plates with a defective screen which is far below the standards of a crispy sharp and vivid VGA screen.
I hope mods can make this thread a Sticky so that all the people who are suffering from diamon's ****ty screen can post their complaints and can think of doing something in this regard.

sumitescp said:
That is why i changed to the ignito which is the o2 uk version of the diamond with a flat back. because watching videos on an orange uk diamond is crap. ignitos screen is perfect. the colours are perfect. i just love it. i will post some pictures later.
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The sad thing is that there was nobody around me with a Diamond (for me to compare the screens). Now two and a half months in my contract, I ordered a Raphael and after comparing the two devices , for the first time I noticed that I was officially ****ed with the Orange Diamond !
Unfortunately, I ordered the Diamond through "Phones4u" and they are telling me that because the 28-day cooling-off period is over, they are not going to change the diamond for me.... aargh.
I remeber that HTCClassAction.org made a fantastic awareness campagin (in which millions of people around the world became aware of Kaiser's display driver fault - and they simply didn't buy that device).
If we do the same with Diamond (at least here in XDA) people would know that the first thing they should check about the Diamond is the screen. Imagine what will happen if more than half of the Diamonds are returned on the first day of purchase. This will certainly force HTC (and its distributors such as Orange ..etc.) to do something about the ****ing screen.

It is not that important the screen works fine but it is a bit different. If you read terms and conditions or policy of htc (which i dont know where to get) I am sure it must say something about this as this is not a fault. If you send it to htc for warranty repair you can just tell them it goes off sometimes or you can make something up. they might replace the screen or give a brand new (refurb maybe) diamond.

HTC Taiwan (flagship shop) has no awareness of faulty devices / or "China" build lower quality LCD screens. They had no consumer complaints on this (yet)
Just a thought - could this not be a started hoax seen the China quality ethics lately?
Melamine milky screens

Bardia Garsha said:
I remeber that HTCClassAction.org made a fantastic awareness campagin (in which millions of people around the world became aware of Kaiser's display driver fault - and they simply didn't buy that device).
If we do the same with Diamond (at least here in XDA) people would know that the first thing they should check about the Diamond is the screen. Imagine what will happen if more than half of the Diamonds are returned on the first day of purchase. This will certainly force HTC (and its distributors such as Orange ..etc.) to do something about the ****ing screen.
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I understand your frustration, it's a shame your Diamond's screen isn't up to par. And action could or should be taken to remedy intolerable issues.
But do you really believe in the end it's a good thing for HTC customers if sales dropped? And that HTC will actually replace the screens on however many devices? I don't..

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HTC Universal sucessor?

Are there any rumors on when we will se a sucessor to he HTC Universal? How it will look like and what features it will have?
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Are there any rumors on when we will se a sucessor to he HTC Universal? How it will look like and what features it will have?
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The HTC Universal is the most expensive in all phones. It has the best hardware compared to other phones. Looking at the current price a $1500 or more wouldnt be much appreciated. Plus all additional upgrades would result to a bulkier successor which is also not appreciated. The length of the Universal was good but it is too bulky in width. Sharp and Sanyo are known to make very slim devices, i wouldnt be surprised if they came up with something.
I never checked the dimensions of this device when i bought it. Even if i knew the bad dimensions of this device i wouldnt have given it up. XDA FLAME is really good but HTC Universal is way better. I have never gone back on my laptop after i got this phone. Its so mobile.... i dont think a sucessor can be expected unless you are willing to pay 700-800 pounds for the new one which i am making.
A HTC sucessor to HTC Universal is most likely expected by late 2007 - early 2008. Plus check other threads on the forum. A lot of discussion is going on about this already.
HTC Athena is the next logical successor.
Yes it's bigger, but only if you use the case with the detachable keyboard. If you carry the device alone, it's about the same size as the Universal.
Estimated SIM free price is $1500, but considering the Universal is still $1000 after a year, that's not too bad.
It will likely be released as the flagship model running Crossbow, as the Universal was with WM5. So that puts it sometime at the middle of 2007 probably.
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HTC Athena is the next logical successor.
Yes it's bigger, but only if you use the case with the detachable keyboard. If you carry the device alone, it's about the same size as the Universal.
Estimated SIM free price is $1500, but considering the Universal is still $1000 after a year, that's not too bad.
It will likely be released as the flagship model running Crossbow, as the Universal was with WM5. So that puts it sometime at the middle of 2007 probably.
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omg... thats too bulky... crazy... keyboard is a must... wait..its like those slate tablet pc's .. actually this might be a rip off. hows the hardware on HTC Athena...err Athena just sounds wrong by the name of it GODDESS lol. Will the phone be white like the ipod - because white/skyblue colours = athena background. Alright so the keyboard isnt that much of a necessity but its still bulky considering its only a slate, see the MotionComputing LE1600 Tablet PC. I want something like that. Its so unique and its features cannot be slightly accused of. Even the Universal is perfect, I expect a successor to look like the IPOD! With a bigger screen , slim and really stainless steel metallic ooh sexy! Oh ya a big camera at the back with autofocus lenses black! I wouldnt mind to buy it from i-mate or htc directly... i hope orange or t-mobile dont touch it! Now i would even pay $2000 for this phone!
Still the HTC Universal is topping the market. I dont think the HTC Athena will be able to compete for long
Here. Something that looks like that madness HTC Athena.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/htc-athena-en.shtml <--- lol i would never buy that junk because i already have experience with something like that.
That actually looks like my slate Tablet PC. See this PDF document.
http://www.motioncomputing.com/resources/LE_convert_key_pics.pdf
Now do you believe me? Oh ya i spent $5000 on my tablet PC. It was worth it.
It's still roughly the same size as the Universal. Same length and thickness, just a bit wider, but the screen is bigger and brighter VGA display instead so that's understandable.
I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the Athena being so huge.
Anyone that is prepared to carry a Universal around with them will not mind that little extra width for everything extra they will get.
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It's still roughly the same size as the Universal. Same length and thickness, just a bit wider, but the screen is bigger and brighter VGA display instead so that's understandable.
I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the Athena being so huge.
Anyone that is prepared to carry a Universal around with them will not mind that little extra width for everything extra they will get.
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Like i said thats more of a tablet pc than a phone. Its losing the essence of a phone. lol
nuclear said:
Like i said thats more of a tablet pc than a phone. Its losing the essence of a phone. lol
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the universal is more sexier anyday
iv looked at it longer than i would hav seen a hot chic at a stretch
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the universal is more sexier anyday
iv looked at it longer than i would hav seen a hot chic at a stretch
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See Alan i have someone who agrees to me.. the HTC Universal is way too sexy. Maybe Asukal/Akula whatever that guys name was .... that is hot too. Good job Corleno I am glad that you love your universal. Keep it as a gem and dont expect anything better for another year!
HTC Omni is next Universal
Hi guys,
all major gadget web site touted upcoming HTC Omni as the successor to Universal, UMPC is entirely different category that Sony & Samsung Q1 had launched repesentative product; UMPC is not successor to Universal. Do a serach at google you will find HTC Omni.
[X-Files] - HTC Roadmap 2007
http://www.hpc.ru/lib/arts/2258/
I really don't see the Omni being much of an *upgrade* from the Universal. HSDPA and size seem to be the only real benefits unless you want the video output. I had that with the backpack on my Himalaya, and only used it twice.
I still think the Athena looks like a fantastic device, but then I have never used a PPC phone as a phone for longer than a few days, I prefer them as mobile data devices, and keep a normal phone for SMS and calls.
One thing that deters me from accepting the HTC Athena is the detachable keyboard.
Can we collect all facts (and likely rumors) about the htc universal sucessor "htc omni" here? What specs will it have ? What OS will run on it ? aku 3.0 ? wm6 ? when can we buy it? will the consumer electronics show bring more facts?
Here. I really like the processor on this one. No good on RAM and ROM. Excellent device. Way better than Universal and cheaper!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=682
Let me know what you think.
I would like to buy this one and say this device is the true successor of the Universal. I have hopes of a better device though....
Asukal is designing the Anti-Universal for now which might well become the successor to all pocket-pc's. Once he is done I will post its pictures here and the hardware config.
nuclear said:
Here. I really like the processor on this one. No good on RAM and ROM. Excellent device. Way better than Universal and cheaper!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=682
Let me know what you think.
I would like to buy this one and say this device is the true successor of the Universal. I have hopes of a better device though....
Asukal is designing the Anti-Universal for now which might well become the successor to all pocket-pc's. Once he is done I will post its pictures here and the hardware config.
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No GSM-UMTS
No keyboard....
danielherrero said:
No GSM-UMTS
No keyboard....
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Well thats not good. How about this phone then?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=668
It has okay RAM and ROM. Not a great display. How are those Texas Intrument processors? Are they any good?
Double post, sorry.
To me to be a legitimate replacement for the Universal, it has to have the following:
1. Clam Shell Design. This is one of the main reason I bought the Universal which I don't think I would be willing to part with.
2. Faster Processor. Our current Universal performs OK especially with the modified ROMs and simply increasing the page pool for the Official ROMs. But they do need to increase it's processor speed.
3. MORE MEMORY. To me this is the most important thing. I find it limiting sometimes that after installing all my apps, I have to be content with about 15-20 MB of memory left.
4. VGA Screen and support.
5. Camera with at least 2MB resolution. As for the location, I prefer the rotating camera placed at the hinge similar to the Sony UX Series (Palm). This way we have the option of using it flat on the table or in clam shell mode taking pictures, even tablet mode is also possible.
6. Full USB support, similar to computers.
Some members might mention "SMALL SIZE", after getting used to my Universal, I don't mind the size any more. I'd rather have a decent size clam shell keyboard to type with.
"INCREASED BATTERY CAPACITY" again, not important to me because many manufacturers create a bigger capacity battery anyway, so they basically have to concentrate on these 6 request.
Regarding the battery. I like the Mugen 4800mAh battery. The thing i like the most about the 4800mAh Mugen battery is that it has a nice battery housing. I found it to be at an average price of $200 USD. Does anyone know a place where i can get it cheaper? $100-$150 is nice.
Also I was looking for an O2 XDA Exec Housing. I found it for $60 lowest price. Anyone know where i can get it for cheaper? Or would anyone like to trade me their O2 XDA Exec Housing for the Orange SPV M5000 Housing

Pro2 and Universal photo comparison

-not the best of photos, but you'll get the drift. If anyone wants better ones, just let me know
Nice . Not that the phones look like eachother, but still funny to see. People who have the universal rate it high.
What grades would u give to both phones concerning the useablitiy?
Just from looking at it, I would prefer the TP2 for typing and watching movies.
Strange thing btw, everyone says the screen is briliant and you can see everything, even in the sun. but on photo's it realy glares a lot.
quarintus said:
Strange thing btw, everyone says the screen is briliant and you can see everything, even in the sun. but on photo's it realy glares a lot.
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I think it's because the screen dims after a few secs if you don't touch it. To save battery life.
Yeah it's cool to look at both machines but the second pic is a bit too blurred to see. Sorry...
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-not the best of photos, but you'll get the drift. If anyone wants better ones, just let me know
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I´m happy to find this thread!
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
TP2 is a good candidate as it has better specs in almost all, but still missing the form factor swiveling screen as Uni is really more like a micro lap top with phone than a phone with nice stuff like TP2.
I´m still no sure that TP2 can really be Uni succesor but at least is a posibility
I´ll wait till the ends of 09 to see what new models comming from HTC or Toshiba and then I´ll make my desicion on what device to buy to replace my Uni (If replaceble)
Cheers,
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orb3000 said:
I´m happy to find this thread!
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
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From all the threads I read that you have posted, you really do love your little Universal. He he he... Not saying it's a bad thing. I respect people like you, people that knows exactly what they want and won't jump and just buy anything that is new.
It really does take a lot of patients. You will make a good equity trader! Waiting for 4 years is a long time mate! Perseverance of finding the perfect handset is hard to hold.
Me, I am waiting to buy my first full QWERTY handset, the TP2. I hope the wait is worth it. Waiting for 4 months is already very hard, don't know how I can wait for 4 years. My hands will be so itchy, there will be no hands left.
For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
Now that I have a TP2, I can finally enjoy a universal-class phone in a form factor that is practical.
The keyboard is SO much better than any other HTC device I have used before. Certainly it wipes the floor with the Kaiser keypad. I feel it is more responsive than the Universals.
The screen is just plain tasty, and touchflo has been massively improved.
I am pleased!
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For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
Now that I have a TP2, I can finally enjoy a universal-class phone in a form factor that is practical.
The keyboard is SO much better than any other HTC device I have used before. Certainly it wipes the floor with the Kaiser keypad. I feel it is more responsive than the Universals.
The screen is just plain tasty, and touchflo has been massively improved.
I am pleased!
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I-hate-you....NOT.
I'm on Sprint (CDMA) and can't wait to get my hands on this provided the rumors about a mid-June launch are true. Was going to get a Palm Pre but will be forced to change my plan to almost double, so TP2 it is.
How is the battery life, ear piece quality and does it get hot? I had the original Touch Pro for a month and took it back because battery life was horrid and it would heat up in the middle of the keyboard area bad after a few mins on Opera. Thanks.
Battery life so far is on par with my TyTNII. It's not great, but it's not terrible!
It hasn't got hot for me yet, but I've not really been pushing it.
Not made enough calls to comment on the quality of the earpiece yet, but the speaker is louder than my TyTNII (though sounds a bit more "echoey")
Main concern at the moment is there is no lens cover on the back shell as with most other phones. It's just a hole that leads through to the main camera sensor lens...hoping I don't scratch it!
Oooh and the ambient light sensor and g-sensor are cool!
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For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
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Exactly the same for me, in 2005 when I bought the Wizard, my dream was the Universal. I bought it last year and keeped it only 6 month (unpractical).
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Battery life so far is on par with my TyTNII. It's not great, but it's not terrible!
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True with the htc roms. False with the last radio. With last radio the battery life is excellent and with the last M2D and WM6.5 it terrible!!!
If the Pro 2 is something between TyTn2 and Universal, it's perfect for me. If the bluetooth stack works fine with my S705, doesn't matter for the FM radio (it's integrated in my S705).
I wanted it in Orange offer.
orb3000 said:
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
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I once had a Uni, 'upgraded' to the TYTNII and am now waiting to see if my carrier will have the TP2. Whilst the newer phones out perform the Uni (for me!) I still wish that I could get something with the guts of a TYTNII in the casing of a Uni. That was a brilliant device.
Snapped some of my own pics for you guys to ponder over.
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Snapped some of my own pics for you guys to ponder over.
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Thanks for pictures. Nice one!
Great comparison pictures!
Thanks a lot!
Besides the size and RAM I´m still choosing Universal!
orb3000 said:
Great comparison pictures!
Thanks a lot!
Besides the size and RAM I´m still choosing Universal!
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As a fellow Universal afficionado, I share your view of how great a device it is, but apart from the RAM and size there's the GPS, higher connection speeds, screen & camera capability. These things might not be important to everyone, but made me make the change (still have the Universal though)
My Universal is long gone, Touch Pro 2 is the new King!
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As a fellow Universal afficionado, I share your view of how great a device it is, but apart from the RAM and size there's the GPS, higher connection speeds, screen & camera capability. These things might not be important to everyone, but made me make the change (still have the Universal though)
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+1 for the Uni lovers.
I still haven't found a replacement for my Uni.
It is still by far the most practical business PDA / UMPC on the market.
I am waiting for a TP2 to arrive, and have been highly disappointed with the Raphael. (my fault for jumping in and buying one without doing my research first) I could never get used to the tiny 2.8 screen or the little keyboard.
My Uni still makes me smile every time I use it, it has never let me down (and I've had it since they were first released) robust, decent keyboard (with tilt and flip, so no issues of not being able to see the screen whilst typing comfortably) The only let down for my poor Uni is lack of GPS, with the 128mb ram upgrade I managed to make her last a bit longer as a primary device, but eventually had to get an "All-In-One " device that was more practical for everyday use.
I hope the Rhodium lives up to the reviews and has better reception amongst other things over the TP.
LONG LIVE THE UNI
I'll post some pics of my devices for peoples enjoyment (Still have a fully functional Wallaby at home too)
Cheers,
Beasty
Here's another post from a Universal fanboy
I've been using the Universal exclusively for almost 4 years now. Except for a big mistake I made when I ordered a Glofiish M800 and used that for a couple of days, got rid of that one real quick, and since I exchanged it for a Qtek 9000 I made that wrong right again. So I now own an MDA Pro a Qtek 9000 and... since 2 days, a Touch Pro 2.
I have to start out with saying that I personally always carried the Universal with me in my pocket. I Never had an issue with it's size. And as for the real reason I got a new device? Well you know, I want to see myself as a sort-of early adapter and since that Universal was way ahead of it's time, and I pre-orderd that device in spring 2005, I just wanted something new to play with. Why it took so long for anyone to release a device that even came close to the Universal is beyond me.
Personally I never really used a lot of local applications on the Uni. Except for the phone, sms and calender functions and navigation software the thing I used the most by far was remote desktop. The size of the screen, the resolution the AWESOME keyboard and the UMTS and Wifi connections really let me use my workstation and server to their full potential, ANYWHERE in the world.
While I did flash the device with new versions of Windows Mobile that I found on this forum I never really owned a device with TouchFlo on it. Obviously I did play around with TouchFlo on devices that friends and colleagues owned.
After having used the device for about a day these are the things I noticed when I compare it to our beloved Uni's:
TP2 Pro's:
-Size: Like I said, the size never bothered me, but as I was used to the Universal the Touch Pro2 is TINY
-Resolution: 800x480 beats 640x480, especially when using Remote Desktop.
-HSDPA
-Internal GPS
-Conference call option in TouchFlo (which someone on this forum has probably hacked into the Uni already as well)
-Just having something new already
-Audio call quality is higher
-Keyboard is almost as good as the Uni's
TP2 Cons:
-While I never used it, I just don't get why there's no mini-jack connection
-No flash: While I used the flash on the Universal as a flash light most of the time and not as a flash for the camera I just don't get why they couldn't at least put a LED light on the device.
-No TAB-key on the keyboard. I really miss this when filling in forms online.
-The slide-and-tilt formfactor is ok, but not as good as what the Uni does. When the screen on the TP2 is fully tilted It's difficult to press the number keys (top row). Also when I carried the Uni in my pocket the screen was always well protected. I guess it takes some getting used to as well.
-Keyboard is ALMOST as good as the Uni's
Johny58 said:
Here's another post from a Universal fanboy
I've been using the Universal exclusively for almost 4 years now. Except for a big mistake I made when I ordered a Glofiish M800 and used that for a couple of days, got rid of that one real quick, and since I exchanged it for a Qtek 9000 I made that wrong right again. So I now own an MDA Pro a Qtek 9000 and... since 2 days, a Touch Pro 2.
I have to start out with saying that I personally always carried the Universal with me in my pocket. I Never had an issue with it's size. And as for the real reason I got a new device? Well you know, I want to see myself as a sort-of early adapter and since that Universal was way ahead of it's time, and I pre-orderd that device in spring 2005, I just wanted something new to play with. Why it took so long for anyone to release a device that even came close to the Universal is beyond me.
Personally I never really used a lot of local applications on the Uni. Except for the phone, sms and calender functions and navigation software the thing I used the most by far was remote desktop. The size of the screen, the resolution the AWESOME keyboard and the UMTS and Wifi connections really let me use my workstation and server to their full potential, ANYWHERE in the world.
While I did flash the device with new versions of Windows Mobile that I found on this forum I never really owned a device with TouchFlo on it. Obviously I did play around with TouchFlo on devices that friends and colleagues owned.
After having used the device for about a day these are the things I noticed when I compare it to our beloved Uni's:
TP2 Pro's:
-Size: Like I said, the size never bothered me, but as I was used to the Universal the Touch Pro2 is TINY
-Resolution: 800x480 beats 640x480, especially when using Remote Desktop.
-HSDPA
-Internal GPS
-Conference call option in TouchFlo (which someone on this forum has probably hacked into the Uni already as well)
-Just having something new already
-Audio call quality is higher
-Keyboard is almost as good as the Uni's
TP2 Cons:
-While I never used it, I just don't get why there's no mini-jack connection
-No flash: While I used the flash on the Universal as a flash light most of the time and not as a flash for the camera I just don't get why they couldn't at least put a LED light on the device.
-No TAB-key on the keyboard. I really miss this when filling in forms online.
-The slide-and-tilt formfactor is ok, but not as good as what the Uni does. When the screen on the TP2 is fully tilted It's difficult to press the number keys (top row). Also when I carried the Uni in my pocket the screen was always well protected. I guess it takes some getting used to as well.
-Keyboard is ALMOST as good as the Uni's
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Great comparative with pics that give an idea of sizes comparison!
Thanks a lot for this!
Every new year comes I think if HTC would do again something on the form factor of Universal: A micro lap top with phone functions!! but nothing...

HTC Touch Pro 2 = Fail?

I think so and I will tell you why. I have been following this phone since it was announced long ago. I to have been a proud HTC device owner but these days I am not so proud anymore.
I am a Windows Mobile fan. Currently I am using my old trusty or not so trusty these days HTC Kaiser/TYTN2. I became a big fan of the tilt feature. I am a tmobile user so back when the Kaiser was released not having 3g bands was not an issue because tmobile did not have 3g. I bought the Euro version and paid top dollar.
Since then its been hacked and modded to reduce glitches and increase speed but lets face it. The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear. Also the screen is tiny by todays standards. I didnt buy the Euro version of the TP2 because I live in the US and 3g is now an issue. So I waited for the tmobile release now confirmed for aug 12th. Right around the corner!
Those of you who didn't wait seem to be reporting endless bugs and glitches not to mention hardware problems. It is driving me nuts to the point that I am shying away from the TP2 hype. I have been following all the TP2 threads here and its bads news after bad news. Very different from when you all 1st got it.
Please someone speak some positive stuff otherwise I may end up holding onto my Kaiser for another year. Final rant.....the specs could be better. Damn Iphoney has an 800mhz processor and HTC just holds back!
I absolutely love it. I have not one problem with it, except for the battery door. I had to modify it a little but know its fine. Out of the 4 HTC phones I have owned, I think this is the best by far. Good luck with your findings.
Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).
The Great Malaki said:
The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear.
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Its probably not wear and tear. Its the same thing that happens with TV remotes. Over time, the oils from your fingers seep through the buttons and interfere with the contacts. If you were to take the keyboard appart and wipe down the contacts, no garauntee, but I bet it would work like new.
i think most of the problems people have (including myself) on their TP2 is 3rd party softwares imcompatable to the new UI on TP2. hope HTC will offer an update for TP2 sooner than September.
if you turn away from it for Samsung OmniaHD, make sure buy it from a local Samsung stores or from your mobile operator. i've been in a deep problem trying to get my Omnia i900 fixed. i bought my i900 from an idiot ebay seller named Cutrategoods70. when my i900 bricked from a firmware update, i tried to contact that idiot, never get a reply. i emailed SS service center in UK (coz SS US & Canada never heard of this model), thay told me to send to them. 5 weeks later they sent it back & said they not support "foreign unit". emailed SS Singapore & Malaysia, they said the same thing. Becareful when you buy a Samsung on ebay or internet stores
good luck for you finding the right device
I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.
I second that. You will normally see threads asking how to improve things or how to fix things.
Most of the posts here are when people need something, find something that they think could help others, and that's about it. The closest thing you can find to general chat would be the speculation on future support or release dates.
In forums for my last phone you saw threads on how to fix things, and for new software made for it (as a closed platform it had to be hacked and forums where the few places you could get software for the OS, unlike Winmo).
If you'll notice many of the threads are duplicates, and some of the complaints are somewhat invalid as the phone was never designed to do X thing (a prime example are the complaints that the Euro version doesn't support North American 3G bands.
Every phone will have defects and problems unless it's a very well built dumb phone. The question is, just how many people are having said problems, and out of how many satisfied customers without those problems?
Like vakbrain said, you're not going to find a new thread singing the praises of the phone from every person who is happy with it. It'd be extremely tedious, boring, and space consuming.
I love my TP2. I bought it SIM-free so it was quite an investment of cash, but I think it was worth every penny. It has the odd glitch here and there, but then so does any piece of complex modern equipment. I'd fully recommend it without any hesitation at all.
I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.
Lyian said:
I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.
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hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks
I am using S2U2 on mine and it works fine. I am using the VGA version and it's flawless.
I love my Pro2!! no problems at all!!
One big difference
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking
vakbrain said:
I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.
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Thank you. I'm waiting for it to come out (couple weeks near me). Can't wait, watched plenty of unboxing videos and walkthroughs. *fist pump* Im ready lol.
sakshaug007 said:
Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).
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I wouldn't recommend the OMNIA II or PRO because they have only 137MB of RAM. That's hardly enough to run any software. I was really looking forward to the new OMNIA phones but it's a big disappointment with the lack of ram. I do admit other specs on the phone looks great but without the right amount of ram, the phone is very limited.
No Fail
Had my TP2 for just over a week now, so still getting used to it but I've had absolutely NO issues with it, so far it has surpassed my expectations. It seems fast, responsive and I like the functionality.
The guys who point out that people write in to forums with problems are absolutely correct. People don't just write in to say "I love it" most people here seem to be advanced users, happy to tweak and hack their phones to get that extra 10% out of them.
I'm a business user, I don't anticipate playing many games (that's what the DS/PSP etc. are for) and as a business user I think this phone rocks!
My anti-fail 2c!
No problems at all with mine. Very impressed, kicks my TP's ass in every department except LED flash.
Brilliant phone, top marks to TF3d too.
Well, I haven't gotten a TP2 yet - still waiting for AT&T to release theirs - in the meantime I'm living with my 2.5 year old Virgin Mobile USA prepaid phone, but ready to make the leap to a contract.
What I can say is that the phenomenon where everyone writes in to a forum (especially a big one like XDA) about their issues makes the problems seem much worse than they actually are. For every person posting here about a problem there are at least 2 more that have had NO problem and wouldn't even think of coming to an online forum to solve issues with their phone.
For example, I bought an Asus EeePC last fall, and went to the premier EeePC forum at the time to see what others were saying - it sounded depressing too! Everyone with issues. Then I realized that A) people wouldn't go to a forum to solve a problem if they didn't love the device and wanted to keep it, they'd just get rid of it if they didn't like it, and B) the people who come to forums are device tweakers who must have things just so (I'm one of them too) and thus are looking for feedback regarding their particular pet peeve or issue caused by the one program they just MUST use. People complained about cracks in the hardware, or messed up keyboards, or whatever, but I've thrown my EeePC 1000H in and out of airports plenty of months and it has yet to be less than 100% satisfying, other than the $150 drop in price over when I bought it 10 months ago!
So, what I'm saying is, this is a phenomenon unique to the interwebz and electronics junkies in general, so don't be discouraged by all the negatives around here, in the end we're all just questing to make an amazing device even closer to perfect.
andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking
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I must agree with Andrew. I own about 15 HTC phones, starting with the Wallaby, back in 2002. When I unboxed my TP2, I immediately thought 'what do I have to modify now?'. But it worked perfectly out of the box and i havent modified anything. I only installed my connection and Coreplayer... Simply good.
One flaw however is the resolution, which is incompatible with some of my software. But those titles are not vital for me.
So, now I am waiting for the next big hit... HTC SUPERSTAR...where are you??????
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hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks
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The WQVGA is the wrong version for the TP2, you want the VGA version (WQVGA is for smaller resolution phones like the Tilt)
I would say it does work 'ok' on mine. I do have an issue with it here and there that i wont go into here, but for the most part, it doest what i want it to, which is, to keep me from accidentally calling people lol.
OP needs to stop worrying, TP2 is a fantastic device and also get off the apple hype bs, iPhone doesn't have an 800mhz processor lol, more like around 600 for the 3GS, even less for the 3G.

Caution! HTC Radar is going to use back the UGLY TFT monitor again.

Dear everyone who is going to buy HTC Radar,
Today I have been to Saturn in Mannheim, and have taken a look on the Radar. The one I saw in other shops before was SLCD, which has a good viewing angle. However this time is a TFT, which changes color and to negative in certain angle.
Just to recall the "Trophy Incident" in last year November, below is the link:
http://www.windows-smartphones.de/3109/htc-trophy-7-mit-bildschirmproblemen/
I suspect Titan may have the same problem once price is going down, as HD7 and Pro was also the victim in this incident.
For all HTC buyers, please check the monitor before you buy, good luck!
Is this even possible? I mean in legal terms? Would HTC risk?
Hd7 always had TFT. The 7s is the one with slcd.
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They'd definitely have to change the model #
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Hd7 always had TFT. The 7s is the one with slcd.
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EU ones had SLCD in first (few) batches, then TFT later on......
so do Pro and Trophy here.
Not very sure how are those in US.
(Or there are laws in US protect those phones from using TFT.....)
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Is this even possible? I mean in legal terms? Would HTC risk?
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That's what HTC is doing in EU right now, at least in Germany!
HTC did this very thing with the Desire HD/Inspire 4G. It's one of the reasons I don't bother with HTC anymore. The other brands are better anyways.
They told one person who posted about this a long time ago here in XDA that the "S" in S-LCD is just an advertising term and doesn't designate the display tech being used. They also said it indicated a "Super" sized LCD.
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HTC did this very thing with the Desire HD/Inspire 4G. It's one of the reasons I don't bother with HTC anymore. The other brands are better anyways.
They told one person who posted about this a long time ago here in XDA that the "S" in S-LCD is just an advertising term and doesn't designate the display tech being used. They also said it indicated a "Super" sized LCD.
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Well, if Android, I'd simply straight to Nexus series, to avoid those sxxt tuning from those brands.
Super size.....I don't think so, it should be the characteristics of the LCD panel itself. Moreover the price different of TFT and SLCD is not that large, do not understand what HTC is thinking.......
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Well, if Android, I'd simply straight to Nexus series, to avoid those sxxt tuning from those brands.
Super size.....I don't think so, it should be the characteristics of the LCD panel itself. Moreover the price different of TFT and SLCD is not that large, do not understand what HTC is thinking.......
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Microsoft relaxed hardware specs, so HTC decided no one would care, and pushed the low end hardware to the windows phones?
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Microsoft relaxed hardware specs, so HTC decided no one would care, and pushed the low end hardware to the windows phones?
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Hardware specs only dictate the resolution not the technology behind it.
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Microsoft relaxed hardware specs, so HTC decided no one would care, and pushed the low end hardware to the windows phones?
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No one would care by paying 400EUR for a smartphone? Is 400EUR that cheap or worthless?
Well, if this is true, then I have one of those TFT's built into my device. Because the black is really grey, especially at sharp viewing angles. The colors are quite vibrant though. The biggest problem with my display is purple, because it turns into a magenta if the display is being angled.
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Well, if this is true, then I have one of those TFT's built into my device. Because the black is really grey, especially at sharp viewing angles. The colors are quite vibrant though. The biggest problem with my display is purple, because it turns into a magenta if the display is being angled.
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Oh....victim appears.

vertical lines screen

Had new htc 10 today before turning the device on i noticed lines running down the screen vertical under the light , but as ive seen this before with other devices i wasent to bothered.
Now im running my brightness at 60% because im not keen on the auto brightness settings and i think they make the screen look quite poor. The screen looks nice at 60% but that being said you can see these vertical lines running down the screen on white backgrounds .... anyone else noticed this ....... feel a bit underwhelmed with the screen at the moment due to this.
I had the exact same thing although now I can't see them anymore. It may have just been when I was sat out in the sun.
I literally just noticed them for the first time today. I have to hold it at an angle in bright light to see them though. I can see them when the screen is off too. I can see them if I really try on a white background, but if I don't look for them I don't see them.
I have these too - it looks like a digitizer thing.
Just been to a store. Store unit does not have it. Can we get more people reporting in please? Mine is the black unit, UK..
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I am not certain. Can we have more users confirm existence or not of it?
Just got out of a three store. Put my unit to the demo one side by side. Demo one did not have it. Manufacturers flaw. Mine is going back to HTC uk
Some HTC 10 users reported this issue is about sharp panel, the other one tianma doesn't have these lines
nathasnajperowa said:
Some HTC 10 users reported this issue is about sharp panel, the other one tianma doesn't have these lines
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Thank you..
Is there another thread or post where I can monitor this discussion?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3370972
BTW thread is really long
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Hi all, this is definitely a real issue.. I got my HTC 10 in the UK after ordering from the HTC website, and immediately noticed the faint white lines running down the screen... its unacceptable.
I sent it back to HTC and its currently 'in repair' - the guy told me there have been no reported issues with the HTC 10 so far . I've since gone into O2 store on oxford street to have a look at the display model - that had the same problem as mine!! So I thought ok what the hell, its such a poor screen why have none of the reviewers been complaining about it. But then went into EE store in stratford today and their display model does NOT have the same problem.
So don't know whether its due to a faulty batch or different screen as people in the other thread are mentioning, but whatever it is, its pretty disappointing from HTC. you pay £500+ and get a crap screen after preorder... wheres the quality control!!
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Hi all, this is definitely a real issue.. I got my HTC 10 in the UK after ordering from the HTC website, and immediately noticed the faint white lines running down the screen... its unacceptable.
I sent it back to HTC and its currently 'in repair' - the guy told me there have been no reported issues with the HTC 10 so far . I've since gone into O2 store on oxford street to have a look at the display model - that had the same problem as mine!! So I thought ok what the hell, its such a poor screen why have none of the reviewers been complaining about it. But then went into EE store in stratford today and their display model does NOT have the same problem.
So don't know whether its due to a faulty batch or different screen as people in the other thread are mentioning, but whatever it is, its pretty disappointing from HTC. you pay £500+ and get a crap screen after preorder... wheres the quality control!!
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Exactly...
I think it also comes down to whichever colour you choose...The discussion in the thread above links to all sorts of issues with these panels - However, O2 does not ship the Htc 10. So I am not sure how exactly you saw that in their Oxford street?
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Exactly...
I think it also comes down to whichever colour you choose...The discussion in the thread above links to all sorts of issues with these panels - However, O2 does not ship the Htc 10. So I am not sure how exactly you saw that in their Oxford street?
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yes you are right actually, it was carphone warehouse not o2 shop that I saw it in. It was the one behind selfridges near Bond Street. One of the frustrating aspects actually has been I couldn't find any shops with a working display model of the HTC 10 to compare my pre-ordered handset with. Mine (and the two I checked in shops) have all been the black model.

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