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Enable 850mhz

Hi Guys,
After alot of searching on here I was still unable to find my answer.
Im currently using XBMOD's ROM (thanks man its tops) I dont want to change from it. But the problem I am having is here in Australia im with Telstra and it uses 850mhz for its 3.5 NextG network.
I have noticed that with majority of the roms on here this is enabled or even supported. I know my phone has it because when i load it up with Telstras ROM everything works like Foxtel and and what not.
Is there someone out there that can help me get this up and running.
Then we could start mixing it in with the roms here.
thanks

is your phone the European Version?

yeah im pretty sure it is.

I'm using a Telstra diamond, and im running the official Asia 2.03 rom, and it works fine...the network drop down box doesn't show UMTS 850MHz, but it is picked up as far as i know...(i've travelled to a nextG only town and had signal - even without the patch attached installed)...also all the quad band radios support 850MHz, you can enable it in the drop down list using this patch if you want:

i installed it, but where do you enable it? which drop down list?

It's not software that allows us with Telstra Diamonds to connect to the other frequencies but hardware.
Our Telstra Diamond's are DIAM130's. They have extra hardware to enable the use of our 3G frequencies.

well i know i have the hardware cause when i am using the telstra stock rom i can do what i want to do.. so its more of a software side where i have to activate that piece of hardware

luckyluke1137 said:
well i know i have the hardware cause when i am using the telstra stock rom i can do what i want to do.. so its more of a software side where i have to activate that piece of hardware
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Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it.
Want a definitive check? Try restricting the phone to the 850 Mhz setting and seeing if you can still connect. Otherwise, pull the back cover off, pull the battery away from body and read the model number below the bluetooth icon (assuming they all have this)... if it's a DIAM100 then definitely no go. If it's a DIAM130 then you're laughing and I'm not to sure on any other model no's though.
I've flashed a myriad of ROM's from here on the DIAM130 and have never had an issue with connecting to the NextG network... they have all connected straight after reboot. The only thing you have to do for internet access is ensure you set the HTTP proxy to 10.1.1.181:80 although it has worked fine for me without this.

luckyluke1137 said:
i installed it, but where do you enable it? which drop down list?
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Click phone, go to Menu, then go Options, go Band... the settings are in there...
Windza said:
Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it....
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I live in rural NSW, there is only the nextG 850MHz network here, or GSM...where i checked the signal was a nextG only region...no GSM coverage at all...so i think that's proof enough don't you?

lasterato said:
I live in rural NSW, there is only the nextG 850MHz network here, or GSM...where i checked the signal was a nextG only region...no GSM coverage at all...so i think that's proof enough don't you?
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Certainly is - but you have a Telstra Diamond and my comment was directed at luckyluke... or did I miss something ?

radio .08
works perfect for me.

Windza said:
Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it.
Want a definitive check? Try restricting the phone to the 850 Mhz setting and seeing if you can still connect. Otherwise, pull the back cover off, pull the battery away from body and read the model number below the bluetooth icon (assuming they all have this)... if it's a DIAM100 then definitely no go. If it's a DIAM130 then you're laughing and I'm not to sure on any other model no's though.
I've flashed a myriad of ROM's from here on the DIAM130 and have never had an issue with connecting to the NextG network... they have all connected straight after reboot. The only thing you have to do for internet access is ensure you set the HTTP proxy to 10.1.1.181:80 although it has worked fine for me without this.
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Agree, rip the back off and do this check first, I've found no issues in using any rom's with my DIAM130. I've left band settings to Auto lately.
I use to go in and change the registry to show all bands, but got sick of doing it everytime a rom cooker "missed" our bands.
The cab from Dutty does work I think by my memory ?
I did have a DIAM100 proir, and yes it will show "Telstra" etc but you will NOT get NextG 850.
cheers

luckyluke1137 said:
Hi Guys,
After alot of searching on here I was still unable to find my answer.
Im currently using XBMOD's ROM (thanks man its tops) I dont want to change from it. But the problem I am having is here in Australia im with Telstra and it uses 850mhz for its 3.5 NextG network.
I have noticed that with majority of the roms on here this is enabled or even supported. I know my phone has it because when i load it up with Telstras ROM everything works like Foxtel and and what not.
Is there someone out there that can help me get this up and running.
Then we could start mixing it in with the roms here.
thanks
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HI
try to change registry key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\SupportHSUPA
from 0 to 1

My device is DIAM100 and upgrade to "hTC_Asia_WWE_2.03.707.2_Radio_Signed_D iamond_52.51.25.26_1.09.25.23". It also do not have 850Mhz. Is Radio 1.09.25.23 not Quad band support? But it appear when using original ROM.

Most radios support quad band UMTS.
DiAM100 devices do NOT though and this is a hardware limitation.

Hey man, from what you get diam100 have no quad band?
mine has!

Yuna said:
Hey man, from what you get diam100 have no quad band?
mine has!
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The context of 'quad' band in this thread is in relation to the Aussie Telco 'NextG' network which requires 850MHz UMTS connectivity - something you DON'T have on a DIAM100.

You meant only UMTS 850mhz or simply 850mhz (GSM & UMTS)?

Yuna said:
You meant only UMTS 850mhz or simply 850mhz (GSM & UMTS)?
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We're discussing 'NextG' which is 850MHz UMTS although Telstra do have 3G service via 2100 UMTS as well...

Hey guys,
thanks for the large amount off support. I check my phone. I have a DIAM130.
And I installed duttys cab and chose GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
and it still isnt doing what I want it to do.
Those that have nextg here know that you get access to bigpond, and foxtel mobile tv.
But this isnt working. I think there might be something in the registery I might have to change or something for it to know that its a telstra device.

TouchPro2 UMTS Bands

I am in Canada and one of our carriers Telus just released the TouchPro 2
telus is a CDMA carrier, however, released the device as a world phone, quad band GSM and UMTS 2100 3G.
I am new to the GSM world and would like to understand better.
Telus and another carrier, bell mobility are building a 3G+ network that they plan to fire up later this year, the CDMA network will stay for a while and HSPA+ will be an overlay network with no GSM support.
Telus and bell plan to use UMTS 850/1900 bands.
When a company like HTC makes a phone, are the UMTS radio's hardware or software?
Is it possible for a OEM working with a carrier to hide UMTS 850/1900 bands or install 850/1900 bands in a new ROM update, say Windows 6.5 ROM?
It does not make sense to me for OEM's to make multiple versions of same phone, I understand each carrier has cosmetic outer requests, I am thinking of the core inside build.
It would be nice to have both networks in case the initial network build out for HSPA+ has issues.
Help!!

UMTS Radio is hadrware.

GSM/WCDMA(or UMTS, if you will) basebands are all hardware as the last poster noted. However, at the request of a carrier, one of the radios in a dual mode CDMA/GSM device can be disabled(as is the case with the dual mode CDMA/GSM version of the Touch Pro2 headed to Sprint here in the US). It is also [theoretically] possible to re-enable the GSM radio in one of the dual mode versions of the Touch Pro2.
On a side note, I wish the CDMA carriers here in the US would transition to GSM technology. I know Verizon will be conducting LTE trials late this year and early next year so that's a plus. It would be nice to transition to LTE, as well, or at least HSPA+....
EDIT: Actually, many OEMs make multiple versions of the same model device. The Touch Pro2 has numerous variants for each carrier which will sell it.

Well, in this case it's a different build from other Pro2's as it has cdma and therefore a different processor.
As for what it is truly capable of I don't know. Carriers have blocked out hardware functionality through software in the past (i.e. certain famous cases of phones with GPS having to wait a long time before a ROM that would let them take advantage of the GPS).
So maybe it's possible. I don't know if it is in this specific case, someone more familiar with the specific hardware and stuff will probably have to weigh in for a definite conclusion.
Hope so though...

UMTS Bands
Wow,
Thank You for the prompt replies.
I think the Telus TouchPro 2 is the same build as Sprint with Telus customization.
I understand that the hardware radio must be present for UMTS 850/1900 to work.
I am not too concerned about the GSM radio(s), just the UMTS radio(s).
According to the spec, it only has 2100 UMTS band
If Telus and likely Sprint have disabled the radio, is it possible to find out if indead the radio would support UMTS 850/1900 and could a cooked ROM enable those above bands?

seems I responded more or less at the same time as jaekidd
anyways...
according to the msm7600 spec sheet it can have the following umts combinations:
2100
1900+850
2100+800
2100+1700+800
2100+1900+850
Now I personally have no idea how one could check to see what options the installed hardware has and whether they are blocking something.
no idea if a new ROM could unlock those frequencies should they be present or how easy it would be to make a ROM to unlock them (they might need a ROM for a device with those features unlocked on that chipset from which to rip the necessary files/drivers for all I know)
And for the record, I think it might be more appropriate to say that the Sprint version is the Telus version with Sprint custommization (after all, the Telus version has come out first), rather than the other way around
and for the record the msm7200 specs sheet says it is capable of the same combinations but personally I can only remember dual band hspa in HTC's phones (the msm7200a sheet doesn't mention the combinations, just the individual bands)

solsearch said:
seems I responded more or less at the same time as jaekidd
anyways...
according to the msm7600 spec sheet it can have the following umts combinations:
2100
1900+850
2100+800
2100+1700+800
2100+1900+850
Now I personally have no idea how one could check to see what options the installed hardware has and whether they are blocking something.
no idea if a new ROM could unlock those frequencies should they be present or how easy it would be to make a ROM to unlock them (they might need a ROM for a device with those features unlocked on that chipset from which to rip the necessary files/drivers for all I know)
And for the record, I think it might be more appropriate to say that the Sprint version is the Telus version with Sprint custommization (after all, the Telus version has come out first), rather than the other way around
and for the record the msm7200 specs sheet says it is capable of the same combinations but personally I can only remember dual band hspa in HTC's phones (the msm7200a sheet doesn't mention the combinations, just the individual bands)
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HTC FUZE (AT&T's Touch Pro) has 850, 1900, and 2100 and I assume AT&T's Touch Pro 2 will, too.

Didn't know that, just the question remians of when AT&T will get theirs out to market.

Unlocked TELUS PRO2 does not work on FIDO 3G network?

I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks

You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.

leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all

Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.

Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?

I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).

Rick#2 said:
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.

Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.

https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!

wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/

Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!

labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that

UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.

I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\

Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.

Any AT&T users using HK handset?

Pretty much as the title says, the Hong Kong version would appear to me to be fully enabled for 3g as the freqs are as follows.
Auto
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
I would prefer this version over the tilt but I need my 3g.

You can get Australian version as well (Telstra). That's what I am using, 3g works, and you'll have the fifth row on the keyboard with numbers, although I hard spl'ed and installed WWE 6.5 on it.

The telstra doesnt have 1900 umts though which AT&T uses which makes this seem like a mo betta option. Or am I mistaken?

In my Telstra version's phone band settings, I can see GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) option. Normally I keep it at "auto" but I have just selected that, and phone plus 3g data connection still works with AT&T in northern VA.
If there is another way to check it for sure I can do that as well but I don't know where to look else.

Because you see the option in software does not mean it exists in hardware and the same is true with the hk piece. The information I have says the Telstra unit does not support 1900 in hardware. Not sure on the HK unit which lead to this post. I have been trying to figure out if I am on 850 in my local area but AT&T hasnt given me an answer yet. If I was I could probably live with edge here and there on the road.

I have found a map (see link below) that shows 850 and 1900mhz coverage but on the web page it says it is from 2008. All I can say for sure is in VA/MD/DC metro area it is mostly 850Mhz since I did not drop to Edge yet.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml

[Q] Android GSM Radio

I am on Wind, a new Canadian 3G AWS only network that defaults to (roams) Rogers GSM when the signal is weak. I have noticed that the sensitivity on WM 6.5 seems to be much more better than on Android in that I can select Wind inside my home in Windows but the Phone will not find Wind as an available network on Android. I have not selected "2G networks only". I would have assumed that the Android build uses the same radio software.

It uses the same radio firmware if that's what you mean. Hardly the same at the software level...
Either way with Android you get a choice - GSM or CDMA. You can't flip between (to my knowledge...) while in the OS as you have to change that value in the startup.txt to get either GSM or CDMA service.
I think there may be a way to adjust startup values on the fly, but it's certainly not straightforward as I recall. I'll see what I can drum up, but that is your problem I believe.

Thanks, some more background: Both networks are GSM, one (Wind) 3G on 1700 and 2100 and the other standard north American 2G GSM (850 and 1900). As far as I know the roaming agreement does not allow my phone to use the 3G part of the Rogers network. The phone is originally t-mobile GSM - otherwise it would not work on Wind.
I really do not think that CDMA comes in to the equation.

manfredv said:
Thanks, some more background: Both networks are GSM, one (Wind) 3G on 1700 and 2100 and the other standard north American 2G GSM (850 and 1900). As far as I know the roaming agreement does not allow my phone to use the 3G part of the Rogers network. The phone is originally t-mobile GSM - otherwise it would not work on Wind.
I really do not think that CDMA comes in to the equation.
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Ah, I misread your post. I apologize... not sure what you would need at this point but I'm not sure anyone else is doing what you're trying to do... Hopefully someone who is chimes in

Android GSM Radio
@arrrghhh
I probably did not state it clearly.
I have a t-mobile (US) Touch Pro 2 that is unlocked. When I use it in WM 6.5 at home I get to select the Wind network as an option. When I use the phone in Android mode I do not get to see the Wind network at all but only the Rogers network that Wind roams on as the Rogers network is much larger than the Wind network. Is the problem with less sensitive GSM radio software or are there some selections such as "data enabled" or "2G network only" that I have not made correctly?

I don't believe so, and I've heard GSM reports what service it is getting from the tower ID - so perhaps the towers you're connecting to are still Rogers even tho Wind probably leases tower space from them...
Unfortunately I don't have this ability, and I'm not sure anyone else uses GSM in this manner - I'll poke around and see if I find anything that is useful.