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xda-developers overload -- now I'm bored

Great googly moogly.....for almost two weeks straight I was on a xda-developers overload of flashing my phone with something every night.
There was the excitement of some new functionality, mixed with the adrenylene of doing something that you're not "supposed" to be doing, mixed with fear of bricking your phone...
I was obsessed....I would flash as soon as it came out and constantly monitor the thread to see what bugs or hacks people were adding...
Now..I have my phone exactly the way I want it ........AND.........
I'm bored.
When does WM7 come out?

ain't that the truth....

I Agree
I agree! I got my Hermes right at the right time. Just a week after I got it, I started to read this site and figure out how to unlock it. I then loaded the new cingular ROM. As soon as I did that, all of sudden all these WM6 ROMs came out. I've flashed every single ROM and their versions on to my device. It has become second nature. I've found the best one and now I don't know what to do with my free time. It's killing me. Can't wait till WXML0.3. Then I get to do it again at least one more time. Enjoy.

Yep, I am bored too. Although if LVSW keep the usual schedule, we should see new version now. It seem as we were getting an update every 5 days. I was taken sick days from work to play with my phone. The truth is after staying up all night there was no way I can perform well at work.
Anyway I am seating here waiting to flash a new ROM

I'm so bored...I'm thinking about flashing WM5 again...okay... maybe not that bored

bkbroil said:
There was the excitement of some new functionality, mixed with the adrenylene of doing something that you're not "supposed" to be doing, mixed with fear of bricking your phone...
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Geekaholicus Vulgarus - very common these days.

I feel your pain!

I'm just waiting for Black v2 to come out. then it's back to flashing again.

jcb_home said:
I'm just waiting for Black v2 to come out. then it's back to flashing again.
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Ditto! A week ago I was a scared noob... now I'm a flash-freak!

omg I feel the same way, I have a wizard dash and hermes and every day I am flashing at least one of them. I need a new hobby, like many others here my wife thinks im cheating on her with the internets. when Im at work I check this forum constantly! havent been caught yet!

Ooh! Ooh! New Flash Alert!!!!!

absolutely know what your'e talking about

update your SPL's and/or signatures to 1.40.Olipro then

I check this forum at least five times a day. I've flashed XDA Live 1, 2.0, LVSW, Black 1.2... and ended up sticking with XDA 2.0. Its the sturdiest for me...
Then Windows Live Messenger Beta stopped so I am now waiting for Black V2... with full on Live messenger - but that wont stop me from loading WMXL 3.0 when it arrives... and then I may just get a life.

Well... When we have all tried it all - next must be to create even better roms, perhaps even one that can make us fly to the moon....

Martinhdk said:
Well... When we have all tried it all - next must be to create even better roms, perhaps even one that can make us fly to the moon....
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What makes you think these roms won't? Last time they flew to the moon they had a ZX81 in the cockpit...

TwoPlus1 said:
What makes you think these roms won't? Last time they flew to the moon they had a ZX81 in the cockpit...
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HAHA - yessir..
But I believe that the roms from our Chefs will improve to a level much higher than the original WM6 - and what I find even more impressive is the way that things have developed so far. OLI, ROMS, Memory, Tweaks, Improvements..
Had I been from MS I would for sure keep my eyes opened in here... And who knows (This i far out I know, and just meant for fun) if MS had released som BETA to see reactions and how things in the OS would be improved.
Or without the MS releasing - I am sure they must keep an eye on the Forum and different threads and releases - just to see improvement. And who knows. They might end up adapting some of the stuff. (Or try to find ways to avoid what the chefs are doing...)
...just som crazy thoughts..

Sometimes i think we all just are "wm6-Betatesters" for Microsoft. Esepecially since in know that we will get an official wm6 rom for our tytns. Perhaps xda-devs have a secret contract with Microsoft. Who knows

I have the same feeling... it´s been a great two weeks but as things begin to settle down I´m always awaiting the next "fix".

I think that I will stick to a XDA ROM instead of a slow MS ROM. I dont believe that they will end up with a rom as good as i can be when our CHEFS have had it in the kitchen....heheh
BTW - has any heard of any software that let us emulate old MS games - like the classic games series of Close Combat.

Something about not being able to see the forrest through the trees

I have been scanning hundreds of XDA pages for about an hour now and I'm totaly sick of it, I'm not a person who would normaly start a thread for something like this but I don't know anymore.
I'm currently on HTC's official 1.93 ROM, its not very bad but I think my Diamond deserves better, so I want a custom ROM. My problem? There seem to be hundreds of different ones, what one is best for me?
My main goal is a significant speed bump, I like the overal functionality, it just isn't very fast.
I'd like to maintain the official looks as much as possible but get the best possible speed boost, what's best for me? I don't care about language realy, as long as its english or dutch. English prefered.

To be fair, i hope you realize that after this post you will probably have lots of people moaning at you about doing your own research etc etc
PM me and i will discuss this with you!

OK so its a little frustrating to get the info you need fast, i understand.
read the flashing tutorial
get unsigned hard SPL and install
pick ROM, any rom will do. i recommend Panosha, Swiftblade, or Duttys. These guys ARE the most experience chefs! BAR NONE
then just try them out.
Yes you will have re-flash & then re-flash again & again until you find the best ROM.
This is the only way IMHO to answer your own question.
and this is what EVERYONE else does or is doing!
So, join the club & welcome aboard.
be warned though it is very addictive!!!!

The whole flashing process is not an issue, I'm tech savy enough to figure that out, especially if its as well documented as it is on on here. My problem is, I don't have the time (and to be honest, nor do I have the will) to get realy deep into this.
I want my phone to keep its stock looks and stock functionality, but it has to be a lot faster. After that, I'm out of here a hell of a lot faster than I came in.
All I need is for someone to tell me what rom suits the needs I just described the best.

I have the same problem. Also none of these roms seem to work like it should. They have a lot of bugs.

if its about being fats and stick near to the original i would suggest AZTOR fitting your needs

So you are here, we have to deliver to you, and you go again, if I read that right??

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if its about being fats and stick near to the original i would suggest AZTOR fitting your needs
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fats = Fast. I agree - AZTOR is an excellent choice for this guys needs. Fast and Original.
Thom4s said:
I have the same problem. Also none of these roms seem to work like it should. They have a lot of bugs.
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"Lots of Bugs". That is a generalisation and is plain wrong. Do your research an you will find several ROMs that are bug free.
The best way to get bugs is to load a brand new ROM in the initial excitement after it has been released. Cool your heels for a few days after release and then download the revised versions. The main ROM developers all tend to have some excellent, stable bug free versions floating around.

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So you are here, we have to deliver to you, and you go again, if I read that right??
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Yes, sir, you definetly read that right. Opposed to some people around here customising my phone is not my hobby, its kind of a must. I did NOT my buy my phone to mess around with it, I bought my phone to use it on business trips and such and keep my agenda etc etc, in other words, for its functionality. I am a way too busy man nowadays to involve myself in things like this.
So yes, I just updated to the recommended ROM, and it works perfectly. It's a noticable speed bump, as I requested. Thanks a lot for the great help!

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Yes, sir, you definetly read that right. Opposed to some people around here customising my phone is not my hobby, its kind of a must. I did NOT my buy my phone to mess around with it, I bought my phone to use it on business trips and such and keep my agenda etc etc, in other words, for its functionality. I am a way too busy man nowadays to involve myself in things like this.
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Well here is a suggestion. Seeing that you are way too busy...
How about you PAY someone to do this for you? Just put together a list of what you are after and offer to paypal someone some amount, say $20-$50 to match you with a ROM and a set of apps to meet your needs. That way you save your precious time and someone else gets a reward for their efforts to help you. Win all around.

Well you guys seem to be very busy people and need your fun for important stuff!
If you want a rom that isnt buggy ( I havent found one bug thou ) and thats stable why not just keep it to the original rom. It might be a bit slower but atleast you have a working phone!

logger said:
Well here is a suggestion. Seeing that you are way too busy...
How about you PAY someone to do this for you? Just put together a list of what you are after and offer to paypal someone some amount, say $20-$50 to match you with a ROM and a set of apps to meet your needs. That way you save your precious time and someone else gets a reward for their efforts to help you. Win all around.
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Could you define the purpose of a community for me one more time please? Sorry, I forgot.

nilsk123 said:
Could you define the purpose of a community for me one more time please? Sorry, I forgot.
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Basically what that means is, people who have the ability to cook do so for free and we all get to try what they make and and tell them bugs, which they fix.
Someone like yourself, who is pushed for time for whatever reason, and cannot look about and find the things they want from a rom can request a custom built rom, but as you can expect, since it is custom, and you will be the only one with the rom a "donation" is required for the cooks time.
If you dont want to pay, grab one of the roms available from here and do what everyone else does, try a few roms, then pic your fav, and stay with that brand.
I personally like to try all roms, but i keep going back to SwiftBL, if for instance i decide i want a custom rom i would PM SwiftBlade and offer him $30-$50 and detail my needs.
Hope this helps

bennec83 said:
Basically what that means is, people who have the ability to cook do so for free and we all get to try what they make and and tell them bugs, which they fix.
Someone like yourself, who is pushed for time for whatever reason, and cannot look about and find the things they want from a rom can request a custom built rom, but as you can expect, since it is custom, and you will be the only one with the rom a "donation" is required for the cooks time.
If you dont want to pay, grab one of the roms available from here and do what everyone else does, try a few roms, then pic your fav, and stay with that brand.
I personally like to try all roms, but i keep going back to SwiftBL, if for instance i decide i want a custom rom i would PM SwiftBlade and offer him $30-$50 and detail my needs.
Hope this helps
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Bennec, haha, I do actualy know what a community is Apparently you didn't see the sarcasm in it
Well thanks for the reply, but I wasn't requesting a custom made rom especially for me, I'm asking what stock one is best for me. And I got my answer.

i'd recommend Dutty's rom over Panosha

Addicteddddd said:
i'd recommend Dutty's rom over Panosha
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i must say that duttys rom does all i need...and more

With 'a lot of bugs' I mean that all of the roms I tried have some sort of irritating bug that floats up almost immidiately, like makes me think whether they even test their stuff.
The alarm plainly doesn't work. Or the browser exits/crashes when going into landscape. Or it simply crashes a lot.
Please, don't understand me wrong, I respect the effort and it's ME downloading those custom roms so it's me who's looking for trouble I just like having the latest version of software, all my devices or always up to date and I'm frustrated that htc itself doesn't release enough updates.
What I want is a rom that is simply standard but has the latest version of official htc apps. Maybe some registry tweaks for speed. But stability and no bugs is very important.
I'll try aztor but if that doesn't work out I'm going back to latest stock rom and just upgrade opera

So many roms.. So confused!

ive looked at the rom section abit, and with all the many different roms, i have no clue what to pick. My first time even considering this so i guess i wouldve thought theird be like 3-4 major roms that are popular, but cant really tell whos using what.
Any suggestions?

most of the time, it is like that. But there came many new roms the past few weeks. later on when the devices gets less populair there will be some favorites.
For know I suggest:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559776
And then the HERO rom. Not the light & sexy. It's very fast en it's stable. Also, it looks nice

The general rule I follow is:
Try them all.
But I will start with the threads that have the most posts on. Those are likely to be the most popular ones. I will spend a day with each and then pick the one I liked best.
Generally it depends on what you want. Some ROMs come packed with useful apps and stuff. Some come with mountains of useless crap. Some come with nothing.
Depends how much time you have to play with them.

only problem with "trying them all" is im not familiar or totally comfortable with rom flashing, as i dont want to 'brick' my phone.

If you have HardSPL and are just flashing regular ROMs, it is nearly impossible to truly brick your device. I've flashed well over 50 times on my trusty Kaiser, and haven't ever bricked it. So don't worry about that, flash away.

dazultra2000 said:
The general rule I follow is:
Try them all.
But I will start with the threads that have the most posts on. Those are likely to be the most popular ones. I will spend a day with each and then pick the one I liked best.
Generally it depends on what you want. Some ROMs come packed with useful apps and stuff. Some come with mountains of useless crap. Some come with nothing.
Depends how much time you have to play with them.
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That is the best recommendation!!
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
If you have HardSPL and are just flashing regular ROMs, it is nearly impossible to truly brick your device. I've flashed well over 50 times on my trusty Kaiser, and haven't ever bricked it. So don't worry about that, flash away.
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Same here, re flashed so many times and never bricked!
Go and test them all!!

also depends what you're looking for in a different rom, speed? tf3d 2.5, a particular build of winmo? that will help you decide.

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The general rule I follow is:
Try them all.
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Ahm, no. General rule is: If your device is working and you need it to work, stay away from them all
All the ROMs here are result of hard work of pretty smart guys - some are working better than others and some are right from the beginning just thought to be 'experimental' ROMs. But I haven't seen a single one that works without any flaws.
I decided to play with ROMs on my older phones I don't use on a daily base anymore. My #1 phone stays as it is.

farnold said:
Ahm, no. General rule is: If your device is working and you need it to work, stay away from them all
All the ROMs here are result of hard work of pretty smart guys - some are working better than others and some are right from the beginning just thought to be 'experimental' ROMs. But I haven't seen a single one that works without any flaws.
I decided to play with ROMs on my older phones I don't use on a daily base anymore. My #1 phone stays as it is.
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I usually agree, most roms have major issues.......... That said im on A.Z.T.O.R rom...... The only problem is a mms issue that easily fixed with adding a url in the settings........ i
not taking anything away from the others but this roms almost perfect... possibly perfect

Strongly thinking about buying the tilt2

I've been on some other forums wondering what phone to buy, and it seems the tilt2 is the best for me. That being said, I'm not totally sold on it. For you people who've had it long enough, would you recommend it? I'm committed to learning about the best ROM to install over it, so I'm going to try to get away from as many freezes as possible. Of course, I was recommended to *this* wonderful site!
Does anyone have a good place to start for learning on here? There's a freakton of information on here, and I have no problem reading through lots of info, but I don't know where to start!
I would be much appreciative. Thanks!

Welcome to forums
Yes!
Go and get it!!
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device to this date!
I´m very happy with mine

This is my 3rd HTC device. With my big fingers, a hardware keyboard is a MUST. The Tilt had a good keyboard, the Fuze had a better keyboard, the Tilt2 has the best keyboard for someone like me. And now that I have to have bifocal glasses , the larger screen is MUCH appreciated.

I say get it as well. I had the Fuze, AT&T's version of the original Touch Pro, for a week and hated it. I just got a Tilt 2 and it's a much better device. I've been using it for a few days and haven't noticed any freezing or bad lag. I've loaded a few programs and done a few registry tweaks and so far I've been very happy with the results. Slingplayer Mobile looks great on this device and I get GPS locks in seconds in both Google Maps and Bing Mobile. The touch screen is very responsive and TouchFlo 3D has really improved in a year. I noticed some complaints about the Widcomm Bluetooth stack but the phone paired right away with my Motorola headset and the handsfree system in my Acura RL and has worked flawlessly with both.
I plan on deleting as many of the stock bloatware programs as I can to free up some memory, but so far the stock AT&T ROM has been fine. The keyboard is awesome - I don't mind having the symbols in the top row as I seem to use them more when typing emails. This is a really nice device.

So what's the favorite ROM around here? Might be a week (or a few evne) before I pick this up, and I want to make sure I have my technology down so I don't keep on flashing.
I have a Motorola Q9h at the moment.... it's what got me hooked on windows mobile. I couldn't believe that I could actually edit the registry! So yeah, I'm all about tweaks, but I remember my first couple weeks and I was all over the place trying to find all the tweaks I needed.
I'm hoping to go into this next move prepared.

My advice is this - make sure you try the phone out first. Try to have a conversation in a moderately noisy environment and see if you can hear the other person, even with the volume on full.
Loud enough for you? If so, then get the phone. Everything else about it is awesome.
If not loud enough, forget it, find a different phone made by a company who doesn't assume all their customers have bionic ears. It will drive you crazy and frustrate you every phone call, and there is no fix.

The best rom for me which is closest to stock as possible is here. I currently have been running for about a month and this is stable and great. Very close to the ATT stock rom.

It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!

Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!

Phrozt said:
Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!
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I'm happy I could help

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.

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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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The OP was interested in information concerning cooked ROMs, and where a good place to start would be. I figured that they'd want to know the process of installing one since they were inquiring about which one they should flash, and I thought that link would be a good place to start (when concerning ROMs). It's not like they have to flash one just because I linked there, and if they'd seen the instructions already there's no harm, so I thought I was being helpful by posting a useful related link. IMO there's nothing wrong with using a device out of the box (I did for ~1 year), but the OP requested more info on ROMs and I simply gave it to them.

I've had my Tilt 2, for 2 weeks.
And I LOVE IT !!!
And i'm already a flashing whore ..........

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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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Yeah, I've been using WM for 2 years now on my motorola q9h. The tweaking aspect is the reason I *want* to stay w/WM... and I was definitely looking for exactly what dave posted!
Also, as I indicated in a few posts, I want to know as much as I can before actually getting the phone so I can flash it, tweak it, set it up how I want it, and then not touch it so that I can keep a stable environment. I don't want to lose my messages and things...
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And i'm already a flashing whore ..........
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Let's leave your mom out of this
(I'm sorry, I have a chronic condition involving mom jokes)

well.... I just picked up the tilt 2 . it's pretty cool so far but I do notice all the lag people have been talking about... will prolly just take some getting used to.

My advice would be to try and get the out-of-the-box system working, install a few apps / shells / tweaks, figure out what's important to you and then flash. Pretty much any stock rom will be lag-free or lag-minimal. There's a lot of good ROMs / chefs out there. Flashing several will definitely whet your appetite.
~Eric

After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.

Phrozt said:
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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I rarely reset my phone for freezing issues, especially on sense 2.1 ROMs. Sense 2.5 ROMs maybe once a week at most. At the end of the day to get a phone that more closely functions how you want it to, a custom ROM is the way to go.
I will say the most stable release I ever used was the stock VZW 6.1 TF3D 2.0. I could run that thing for weeks and still idle at 49%.

Phrozt said:
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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There's a couple of things that should be done with all new TP2's to help reduce memory hogging and help performance in general:
First, run the first two cabs below. One switches off push internet for a big resource savings. The other one switches on dynamic memory allocation, which does a much better job of freeing up memory when apps aren't using it.
Next, run the Advanced Config cab below...it's a utility that gives you access to all sorts of deeper-level settings in the phone. When you run it, navigate to the "power management" section, and make the first 7 entries there set to "enabled (advised)"
Do a soft-reset after these, and you should see a significant reduction in memory use and lock-ups.
Lastly, use the Crud Scraper attached below...copy it to your SD card and just run the .exe from there (not your PC). It allows you to uninstall a fair amount of the bloat AT&T was generous enough to include on the phone

Some pretty good advice in this thread for new users. I've been playing with WM since well before it was WM and I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience with it, that is until i moved from the kaiser to the tilt2. I was ready to chunk it and get something else but decided to flash a few roms first. Not expecting much i was surprised by the significant performance improvements and overall appeal the device gained over the stock At&t rom.
My advice, I woudl only try "fixing" the issues with teh stock rom if you are absolutley stuck with it. if you are not stuck using the AT&T rom for some reason flash one, there are several good ones out there and all of them seem to be an improvement over the At&t rom in terms of stability and performance.

[Q] is damageless dead.....no updates for damage control?

Why doesn't damage control gets updated like the other roms anymore

He's providing a public service and these guys have lives outside of the forum as well. He may or may not put up any updates. What he has out so far is pretty stable and is of good quality.
Take this as an opportunity to try out some of the other Devs work out there

I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.

I would love to see an update too. What damage has already is pretty badass! I'm sure we can all agree that there are never enough hours in a day... never enough time

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I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.
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What a selfish @ss.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

DamageROM for eclair was the creme de la creme of eclair roms.
We should be thankful of what he has provided.

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I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.
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You're not married are ya?
(just kidding honey love you!)
Yeah trev and damageless are super talented and I would love to see more from them, but if they also decided to "go out and play" for a bit it is totally cool. I do hope they're secretly working on The Monster Rom and nobody knows it yet. /dream

The lack of information from Treve and Damage have made me move away from their DC. I understand all too well that they have every right to do whatever they wish, but they have a community using their work that is left abandoned without any word of if they are working on something, taking a break, etc.
They just went silent.

they did reply a while back to let us know they were working on dconfig. now it was a few weeks ago.
I personally dont think DC is dead. Most of the updates that are done to all these other roms are minor tweaks and changes that rarely at least for me fix or change my performance and experience.
I think people are getting spoiled by the nightlies and frequent updates that a few roms put out MOST roms do not update every few days. Also most people cant name off much that actually needs updated with dc 3.5 that would make a major impact. they jsut want an update for updates sake.
Here is how this question will be answered. there is an ota update coming soon. If dc doesnt have an update to incorporate this ota then it is probably safe to say that DC is on hold (I am sure after the honeymoon phase etc we will see DL back).
Until then the rom uis solid has the major features has good performance and stability. All these minor tweaks that dont actually do much that some roms up out jsut to say they updated may make you feel good ... but it isnt really needed 90% of the time. It is just weird to me that when something works and works well people still thinkt here should be tons and tons of updates and go to roms that have a lot more problems and need updates and fixes to try to fix them all and praise it.