FM Radio? - HTC Excalibur

Ive been Dieing to have this feature on my phone for quiet sometime i like to listen to my favorite Radio station every morning but where i work there aint no radio to listen to so i was wondering if there is an application out there that can give me new yorks radio stations FM Radio Stations that is... anyone know of such an app?

http://www.thestreamcenter.com/PDA/ from your phone browser
select the state and the radio station...set tcpmp to handle it and you are all set
you can also use pocketstreamer which was posted on here a few days ago

gixxum said:
http://www.thestreamcenter.com/PDA/ from your phone browser
select the state and the radio station...set tcpmp to handle it and you are all set
you can also use pocketstreamer which was posted on here a few days ago
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i got tcpmp player installed and when i click on the station i wanna listen to it downloads a file and the file takes a long time to download and aint tcpmp player suppose to load up and start streaming? insted of downloading the file? also can you guide me to the direct download of pocketstreamer? ill give that a try. or explain to me how to exactly listen to these FM Stations on my phone off the site. thanks.

okay the file im trying to play is an mp3 file... i want you to do what im trying to do and tell me why it aint working.... go to the site... select NY radio Stations scroll down to where it says (Pulse 87.7) and try to stream that file... insted of streaming the file its downloading it.... i cant figure out why its an OGG file that its downloading.

RussianSolja said:
okay the file im trying to play is an mp3 file... i want you to do what im trying to do and tell me why it aint working.... go to the site... select NY radio Stations scroll down to where it says (Pulse 87.7) and try to stream that file... insted of streaming the file its downloading it.... i cant figure out why its an OGG file that its downloading.
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most of them are...go into tcpmp and go to options > setting then select page > file association.
for now just select everything. go back to that site. click it again
when tcpmp loads up you might need to go to file > play
but either way it will take a sec for it to load up

gixxum said:
most of them are...go into tcpmp and go to options > setting then select page > file association.
for now just select everything. go back to that site. click it again
when tcpmp loads up you might need to go to file > play
but either way it will take a sec for it to load up
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tcpmp still aint loading up its still asking me to download that file... maybe the tcpmp player i have aint up to date idk.... why cant i get this radio station to work nore for tcpmp player to start streaming this file?

hhaha honestly...i have just tested that station and it did the same thing..any other mp3 station works fine...

You Need The TCPMP Codecs Pack 2
RussianSolja said:
tcpmp still aint loading up its still asking me to download that file... maybe the tcpmp player i have aint up to date idk.... why cant i get this radio station to work nore for tcpmp player to start streaming this file?
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Install the TCPMP codecs Pack 2 to your SD card, also install your TCPMP Player 0.81RC1 to your SD card. The TCPMP 0.81RC1 is best for the Dash/Excalibur. The last thing you want to is check all the blocks in the file association area, the reason being you want to do this last is because you will be installing new codecs to your TCPMP directory. Radio you want, go to http://www.streams4pda.com via your mobile web browser and also go to http://www.todaypda.com.............!:D

technology!!!!!
Technology said:
Install the TCPMP codecs Pack 2 to your SD card, also install your TCPMP Player 0.81RC1 to your SD card. The TCPMP 0.81RC1 is best for the Dash/Excalibur. The last thing you want to is check all the blocks in the file association area, the reason being you want to do this last is because you will be installing new codecs to your TCPMP directory. Radio you want, go to http://www.streams4pda.com via your mobile web browser and also go to http://www.todaypda.com.............!:D
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technology !!!! i was hoping you would show up sooner or later... ay can you direct me to the direct download of tcpmp pack 2 and the tcpmp player? im on my cell phone right now and at work so can you upload the files in this fourm so i can download the files directly into my cell phone from my cell phone or direct me to the download links for both files? i really wana get this radio station working for me cause this radio station has my favorite morning show. thanks tech.

Codecs Pack 2
RussianSolja said:
technology !!!! i was hoping you would show up sooner or later... ay can you direct me to the direct download of tcpmp pack 2 and the tcpmp player? im on my cell phone right now and at work so can you upload the files in this fourm so i can download the files directly into my cell phone from my cell phone or direct me to the download links for both files? i really wana get this radio station working for me cause this radio station has my favorite morning show. thanks tech.
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All the TCPMP/Player codecs are here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362685, go to post # 1.........!

why is it just that one station for me? ive now tried 13 and just that one doesnt work. i dont have any of the codecs installed....just curious

your killing me tech...
Technology said:
All the TCPMP/Player codecs are here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362685, go to post # 1.........!
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technology im on my cell phone dude can you upload thoes two cab files in this post please? the cab for the tcpmp decoder pack 2 and the player that way i can download and install them directly to my phone... thanks.

I think Gixxum said in his first post there is a pocketstreamer.cab. You could try that till you get home.

ive just checked....
pfunkside said:
I think Gixxum said in his first post there is a pocketstreamer.cab. You could try that till you get home.
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ive just checked and i already have pocketstreamer deluxe installed but with that app im limited to what Stations i can listen to and they aint even Stations that are in my tri-state area i mean after all how hard is it to upload 2 files on to this post seriously. =)

RussianSolja said:
i mean after all how hard is it to upload 2 files on to this post seriously. =)
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after all, how important is fm radio on a cell phone?
awfully demanding for someone that cant use google. i found that site by doing a search, it was the first one on the list. maybe instead of being so trigger happy for the new thread button, you (and many others) could maybe do a little leg work yourself.
i dont mean to sound like a ****...but i am. here, i just searched this forum and look what i found
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2258006&postcount=15
next time do some damn leg work. and yea you are welcome

Codecs Pack Uploaded
RussianSolja said:
technology im on my cell phone dude can you upload thoes two cab files in this post please? the cab for the tcpmp decoder pack 2 and the player that way i can download and install them directly to my phone... thanks.
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Codes Pack 2 Uploaded file is to large, but I want you to tell me what player that station uses you want to listen too. I may have another fix.......!

Technology said:
Codes Pack 2 Uploaded file is to large, but I want you to tell me what player that station uses you want to listen too. I may have another fix.......!
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it dont really use a player it downloads an OGG file but the download never seem to finish downloading it just keeps downloading other Stations open up just fine except that one. check it out for yo
urself

Technology said:
Codes Pack 2 Uploaded file is to large, but I want you to tell me what player that station uses you want to listen too. I may have another fix.......!
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its in .ogg format..i have no idea whats supposed to play it on a mobile device

RussianSolja said:
it dont really use a player it downloads an OGG file but the download never seem to finish downloading it just keeps downloading other Stations open up just fine except that one. check it out for yo
urself
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maybe its just time to move on man.

http://www.pocketmind.com/pocketmusicsp.htm
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/12/free-music-players-for-windows-mobile-mobile-minute/
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-ogg.html
hey look what google found. you really cant take a hint huh?

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Playing Videos over Network with Media Player

Hi All.
Just a quick one.
I am tying to play some Video files over my network on my Jasjam with Media Player. The files are on my pc.
It keeps comming up with the error message "system cannot find the file specified file". I can't use tcmp player because it is a windows media codec encoded video.
My network is fine, resco file explorer sees the network no worries but when i click on the file I get the same error message.
Tcmp will play files over the network so i know it works.
I have been looking everywhere but just keep running into brick walls.
Is there a reg edit to fix this problem.
Thanks for your help.
If however i have somehow missed this please please please, no FLAMING
Saber_007 said:
Hi All.
Just a quick one.
I am tying to play some Video files over my network on my Jasjam with Media Player. The files are on my pc.
It keeps comming up with the error message "system cannot find the file specified file". I can't use tcmp player because it is a windows media codec encoded video.
My network is fine, resco file explorer sees the network no worries but when i click on the file I get the same error message.
Tcmp will play files over the network so i know it works.
I have been looking everywhere but just keep running into brick walls.
Is there a reg edit to fix this problem.
Thanks for your help.
If however i have somehow missed this please please please, no FLAMING
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i dont flame aussies .... you need to move back to the JasJam ROM from IMATE... the new one has the built in player....
Hi.
LOL thanks for that.
I just can't go back to the original Imate Rom i love the lvsw one to much.
Is Imates a different version of media player to the one used in LVSW's rom.
Is there a way to get this built in player.
If not surely, there must be another way. I can't be the first person who wants this.
Cheers.
Travis
P.S. Just incase i change my mind is the rom you speek of just the one that can be downloaded from Imates Website.
Hey.
So sorry to be a pain but has anyone got any idea how to fix this little problem.
I really need to be able to run these videos.
Or has someone figured out a way to run windows media content through TCMP.
Thanks again
tried orb? Streams any video fine over wmp.
http://www.orb.com/en/myvideo
you speak about playing movies over the network. Did you try to copy a movie to your pda and play it locally. What happens then?
xdaradar said:
you speak about playing movies over the network. Did you try to copy a movie to your pda and play it locally. What happens then?
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The problem is that files are like over 100meg each and take too long to transfer to the Phone.
That being said I did transfer one and it worked ok. So the problem must lie somewhere else.
MMMMM very frustrating.

Play youtube video (FLV) with TCPMP

Here is a plugin for playing FLV under TCPMP (0.8, 0.7)
Backup your own ffmpeg.plg before overwriting.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcpmpflvplugin/
There is YouTubedownload.exe tool running on WM6. WM5 to download FLV.
xl46 said:
Here is a plugin for playing FLV under TCPMP (0.8, 0.7)
Backup your own ffmpeg.plg before overwriting.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcpmpflvplugin/
There is YouTubedownload.exe tool running on WM6. WM5 to download FLV.
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Thanks for the info...
Do you know if can be used with CorePlayer too?
Regards.
Seems not, because CorePlayer can not get the external plugin as the way TCPMP does...
I dont have CorePlayer, so didn't try personally.
Nice one... works with my version of betaplayer 0.81rc1 only if i select video output to "ati imageon"
cool
ratcom said:
Nice one... works with my version of betaplayer 0.81rc1 only if i select video output to "ati imageon" cool
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How did you get it to work? I installed the 2 files in my TCPMP directory and selected Flash Video under settings. When i open You tube under IE and click on a file, TCMP does not open.
Awesome!
To celebrate this incredible find.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsHE5xWges
GermanGuy said:
How did you get it to work? I installed the 2 files in my TCPMP directory and selected Flash Video under settings. When i open You tube under IE and click on a file, TCMP does not open.
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Never mind. I figured it out. You have to use the exe file to download the "you tube file" first.
sorry I've already got a collection of youtube video's
ratcom said:
Nice one... works with my version of betaplayer 0.81rc1 only if i select video output to "ati imageon"
cool
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That's what you should be using normally anyway! Thanks to Stealth I've been using the ATI Imageon chip for a while now for every format I play! It definitely makes my battery last much longer.
how do you get it to work. i put the two files in the tcpmp directory and then put youtubedownloader in another. where do you get the file id from?
i put the link of the file into the youtubedownload.exe and it says invalid link. not sure what i am doing wrong
anybody help please?
donsaxena said:
anybody help please?
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In order to use the program “YouTubedownload.exe” it is not necessary to put the Link, but the digits of identification of the video.
For example: of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsHE5xWges the digits are utsHE5xWges
Later uses in TCPMP the video output ATI IMAGEON
Greetings
im using firefox as web browser
I did go to tools then press add ons
then press get themes and select and install videodownloader.. its free
following instructions I did saved video file from youtube to my pc..
the next part is converting the flv file to mp4 file...
I used the absolutely free mediacoder version 0.5.1 from mdiacoder.sourceforge.net
read again instructions then I converted the flv file I saved from youtube to my pc using mediacoder...
I snyc my hermes..
now I enjoy video on my hermes..
dats for me..
tonetagabaler said:
im using firefox as web browser
I did go to tools then press add ons
then press get themes and select and install videodownloader.. its free
following instructions I did saved video file from youtube to my pc..
the next part is converting the flv file to mp4 file...
I used the absolutely free mediacoder version 0.5.1 from mdiacoder.sourceforge.net
read again instructions then I converted the flv file I saved from youtube to my pc using mediacoder...
I snyc my hermes..
now I enjoy video on my hermes..
dats for me..
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With YouTubedownload.exe you directly unload the video to the PPC, and with plugins you can see archivo*.flv in TCPMP.
You do not need the PC, nor to turn the file *.flv to another format.
There it is the difference… GREETINGS
on mediacoder i use the device --> plugins --> digital media player
the output video works great with hermes windows media player...
cheers
how about just playing youtube
perhaps the rom I'm using doesn't do it but how about just playing a youtube vid when browsing youtube, does this work for anyone? been fooling with IE and Opera
sanchezj said:
In order to use the program “YouTubedownload.exe” it is not necessary to put the Link, but the digits of identification of the video.
For example: of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsHE5xWges the digits are utsHE5xWges
Later uses in TCPMP the video output ATI IMAGEON
Greetings
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i have tried putting the video id in that programan it says invalid link. does anyone else have this problem
donsaxena said:
i have tried putting the video id in that programan it says invalid link. does anyone else have this problem
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yes same problem here... dont know how i can get it working...
please help
can someone please post a link for the TCPMP player... having trouble finding it. I keep seeing core player

Youtube Videos on T-Dash WM6.1 Excalibur

I get an error every time i load up a video, is there a fix for this?
yes, but it will require using the search button
OR
Provide more info. What player are you trying to use? If you dont know, you need to search. If you do know, you need to tell us
gospeed.racer said:
yes, but it will require using the search button
OR
Provide more info. What player are you trying to use? If you dont know, you need to search. If you do know, you need to tell us
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when i hit a youtube video, it opens Windows Media Player
Egyptman786 said:
when i hit a youtube video, it opens Windows Media Player
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Media Player will not play .flv you want TCPMP to which is free or CorePlayer the pay version.
hahah
good luck stylez
*sits back and watches this snowball*
its hard not to notice, just to the bottom of the main page where Tech has posted a new youtube video player.... apparently the OP isnt falling for the propaganda
gospeed.racer said:
its hard not to notice, just to the bottom of the main page where Tech has posted a new youtube video player.... apparently the OP isnt falling for the propaganda
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hahaha
just get kinoma freeplayer i love it no problems
Here is Kinoma FreePlayer Full where you can view more then 10 videos...
Hey,
Im sorry if this is a really stupid question!
But ive got Core player and kinoma, and all i want to do is stream videos from youtube, but once i start streaming it always opens up the default Windows Media player on my mobile.
I always use browse internet explorer to do this then select the youtube link on the site..
If theres any way of changing the program that gets opened could you please tell me!
Im using the standard Kavana’s 6.1 ROM.
Cheers
Get skyfire and just play them as you would on you pc.
http://get.skyfire.com/
That still doesnt solve my problem, I need to change my Default Windows Media Player on my Mobile to open to another program instead to stream.
Jamesdavid3 said:
That still doesnt solve my problem, I need to change my Default Windows Media Player on my Mobile to open to another program instead to stream.
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CorePlayer to view YouTube as default:
In preferences File associations these are what i have ticked.
Audio interchange file format (AIF)
AVS elementry stream (H264)
Macromedia flash (FLV)
Matroska files (MKV,MKA)
Mpeg Movie files (Mpeg,MPG,MPV)
Mpeg Video elementary steam (M1V,M4V)
MPEG4 Files (MP$,MOV etc etc)
Musepak Files (MPC)
NSV files (NSV)
Ogg Vorbis files (OGG,OGM)
PLS Playlist Files (PLS)
RSS Feeds (RSS,XML)
RTP Protocol
RTSP Protocol
Session Description Protocol (SDP)
Speex Files (SPX)
TS streams (TS,M2TS)
Video Files (AVI,Divx,GVI)
Wavpack files (WV)
Windows Media Video Files (WM,WMV)
That should do it lol
You will need to use mobile YouTube page
It also has a built in youtube viewer press view a couple of times
I left out the audio associations for Pocket Player to handle the best Audio Player avaiable.
I prefer using Kinoma Free Flay, you can get it from my link to smartphone programs below...
kinoma full version
jdoggraz said:
here is kinoma freeplayer full where you can view more then 10 videos...
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thank you very very much !!
Works fantastic,unlimited videos and aac toooooo
on my asus 696
all the best
from
alon...
LoL u need to search an download HTCStramingMedia cab and install an by default it will open a very fast wmp type video player for youtube..
-
Non-Rogers(Microsoft Branded HTC S621 Pro)
Won Jan 23 2009 at a Microsoft Conference...
Made in Tiawan Overclocked @ 288MHz Stable.
Kavana Rom 6.1 Standard
people just use the damn youtuube app

streaming radio free software download.

I've been searching for a way to stream music thru my phone, and found this and was wondering if anyone has heard, or have tried this?
It's called LaVellaMobile radio, and the software is free and they're some free streaming radio stations that you can listen to, so you can try it. Now there's a one time membership fee of 10 bucks to become a member, after that you get a log in and password to stream 100s of radio station worldwide in digital quality. I want to get this but wanted to know first what you guys thought.
lavellamobile.com
roloracer said:
I've been searching for a way to stream music thru my phone, and found this and was wondering if anyone has heard, or have tried this?
It's called LaVellaMobile radio, and the software is free and they're some free streaming radio stations that you can listen to, so you can try it. Now there's a one time membership fee of 10 bucks to become a member, after that you get a log in and password to stream 100s of radio station worldwide in digital quality. I want to get this but wanted to know first what you guys thought.
lavellamobile.com
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can't figure how to add link. sorry.
im in a good mood tonight...shoot me a pm and ill give you some things to try
and to post a link...just add the http://www
http://www.lavellamobile.com or you can make a link by clicking the neat little globe button at the top of the text box in the forum
Check out this website for streaming radio
Link---> " http://www.thestreamcenter.com/PDA/ "
Or you can use Kinoma Free Player which allows you to stream as well as watch youtube and many other features...
DOWNLOAD KINOMA CLICK RIGHT HERE
stream radio
jdoggraz said:
Or you can use Kinoma Free Player which allows you to stream as well as watch youtube and many other features...
DOWNLOAD KINOMA CLICK RIGHT HERE
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Thanks, I'm gonna download kinoma and check it out.
roloracer said:
Thanks, I'm gonna download kinoma and check it out.
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im sorry man..i didnt even see i had a pm..gimme a sec and ill shoot you some options
With AGE, can't see
jdoggraz said:
Or you can use Kinoma Free Player which allows you to stream as well as watch youtube and many other features...
DOWNLOAD KINOMA CLICK RIGHT HERE
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Finally installed Kinoma Free, as the original was buggy, not impressed with video play quality "CorePlayer better" or audio "PocketPlayer better" i.m.o but does the job for YouTube...
stylez said:
Finally installed Kinoma Free, as the original was buggy, not impressed with video play quality "CorePlayer better" or audio "PocketPlayer better" i.m.o but does the job for YouTube...
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Yah that is what I use it for is youtube... its not to bad for youtube... and google pictures...
jdoggraz said:
Yah that is what I use it for is youtube... its not to bad for youtube... and google pictures...
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Hadn't seen the Google pictures bit but just tryed and that is sweet especially the way you can send them without saving and attaching etc, thanks
Kinoma Play is r so good for streamradio..Thats whaT i think...IT IS.. WHAT IT IS
jacsonmoore3 said:
Kinoma Play is r so good for streamradio..Thats whaT i think...IT IS.. WHAT IT IS
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It has streaming for radio, and youtube, along with a few other features... check it out... you can get it below from my files labeled smartphone programs...
kinoma free player.
jdoggraz said:
Or you can use Kinoma Free Player which allows you to stream as well as watch youtube and many other features...
DOWNLOAD KINOMA CLICK RIGHT HERE
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I installed kinoma and nothing works, everything on it throws an error code . It won't stream music, won't connect to youtube. I know it's a crack cab, but do I need a reg. code or something to make it work?
Before you assume its a crack cab, you are wrong.
that is the free version of it.
So y dont you try to go directly to their website
kinoma
Mikey1022 said:
Before you assume its a crack cab, you are wrong.
that is the free version of it.
So y dont you try to go directly to their website
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It's what the cab says on it, so I figured it was, my bad, lol. Anyways I found pocketplayer 3.7, I'm gonna give it a try.
Has anyone used www.streams4pda.com
yeah y?
I mostly use http://radioio.com/io2go/ <-edited
how do u get the tv stations to work on streams4pda
Mikey1022 said:
yeah y?
I mostly use http://radioio.com/io2go/ <-edited
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That is what I use, it is amazing...

video playback.... choppy

I tried putting a small video clip on my memory card. When I open it it plays like it's in slow motion, and it's really choppy. The audio for the clip plays in normal speed.
so a few questions...
Is there a best format of video files for my excalibur?
Is there mabey a player better than windows media player?
I hacked my psp a few years back. I was able to download full movies and watch them on it. I may be asking too much... but I'm wondering if it's possible to do this with my phone.
when I'm at work with my phone in my hand the ol' boss doesn't mind. Of course when I'm hanging on to a game system.... the **** hit's the fan!
Here you are a free bit of software that can recode videos http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html download link @ bottom there is lot's of speal...
I use A-One FLV to AVI but it's not free, there is alot of software that can do it.
I recomended SUPER as i know lots of peeps use it, so set the resolution 320x240 keep bitrate down on video larger it is larger output file, audio can be set to mono and again about 64kbit/s and still be fine, .mp4 is a good quality for Mobile video or for even more compression .3gp
Re: Player TCPMP "to which is free" or CorePlayer "the pay version"
I've tried downloading TCPMP. When I try installing it I get a message that the install package isn't designed for my device.
this is where I'm downloading it from.
http://tcpmp.en.softonic.com/pocketpc/download#pathbar
Is there a different version that I need to use?
oilspot said:
I've tried downloading TCPMP. When I try installing it I get a message that the install package isn't designed for my device.
this is where I'm downloading it from.
http://tcpmp.en.softonic.com/pocketpc/download#pathbar
Is there a different version that I need to use?
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Do a search on this forum know that one with all codecs was posted.
stylez said:
Do a search on this forum know that one with all codecs was posted.
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that did it... and here's where I found my answer.
thanks again!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468853&highlight=tcpmp+download
tried playing a small avi. player says I need to mess with the settings. I'll see If I can get it figured out.
oilspot said:
that did it... and here's where I found my answer.
thanks again!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468853&highlight=tcpmp+download
tried playing a small avi. player says I need to mess with the settings. I'll see If I can get it figured out.
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All you have to do is enable all file formats on your options
Related question... How do I watch the phone-recorded videos on my PC after I pull them over via ActiveSync? I tried converting them with Handbreak but they are not recognized as a compatible format.
dewey1973 said:
Related question... How do I watch the phone-recorded videos on my PC after I pull them over via ActiveSync? I tried converting them with Handbreak but they are not recognized as a compatible format.
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Try VLC Media Player you will want codecs CCCP is XP & Vista compatable "if you have any other codec packs installed then do not install"
well i actually wanted to start a mobile movie thread
like..i will be encodeing movies for mobiles..which will play without a hitch...and patches...
and uploading them on rapidshare or megaupload..
sooo what say??
what happens if you run out of battery in the middle of a movie, can you fastforward it afterwards and in an "easy" way? If it's possible, it depends on the video format, video player or both?

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