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Wifi or 3G connection, how to know?

I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.

No one in 50 people finds this to be a problem, strange...

There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..

jompao said:
I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!
I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.
It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.
Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.
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Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Live Messenger can works to chat over Wifi, but if detects GPRS 3G connection, use this connection (bad done by M$). Try unconfig the connections and connect to wifi, you will chat over wifi, but the email sync don't work...M$ have done bad choice IMO.
Regards.

jcespi2005 said:
Hi, man.
I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.
Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.
For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.
Regards.
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Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?

gnick666 said:
There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..
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Do you think I'm stupid or what? I haven't been softresetting anything.. There is no button for disconnecting data connection in standard Comm Manger. This is not the issue anyhow, issue is how stupid can an OS be that uses an active 3G data connection when there is a wifi connection available at the same time... And if the wifi connection isn't working it notifies the user of that fact and informs it will switch to 3G data connection.
In other words how can the user know what connection is used. Only safe way seem to be to turn phone off in Comm Manager, which I will do forward on.
A logical system like iPhone will connect to wifi when available by itself. And I'm quite sure user is somehow notified of this fact.

There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)

In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!

agovinoveritas said:
In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.
Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!
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Well I did test and then checked only to see if I was charged any traffic and I wasn't so I thought it was fine. Apparently the charge is a bit delayed.. Well it's no fortune here, a little more then 1 dollar per MB. Still would be nice to clearly see when wifi and 3G is used, I use wifi at work and at home and don't want to switch phone part off.

gnick666 said:
There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit
And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)
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I'm trying to keep a clean installation of the official Swedish rom, been having problems with wake up on notifications when using other comm manager and HTC Home plugin. Off course it's no major problem to go to flight mode, just weird that one even has to think about it on a modern os...

jompao said:
Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?
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The only thing you can do to be sure only Wifi is ised is to select The Work Network in Connections, so no 3G connections to your operator is done....
If some app uses 3G before Wifi, the OS don't notify, how can the OS notify this? The OS have in the route table metric to use Wifi first, 3G after...
Regards.

Prioritize wifi over gsm?

Hi people
Firstly, awesome forum! Although I don't post here, this forum has helped me numerous times. This is the first time i could not solve a problem and therefore had to post about. So a big fat thanks to all you guys!
I notice when my email is being updated or my contacts facebook updates, sometimes (most times actually) it connects via Edge even though I'm at home with wifi. Some programs and also browsing uses Edge over wifi at times. Is there any way to make it choose wifi over Edge, if its available, ALL the time?
Thanks in advance

If you are connected to a wifi network it should always use that over MediaNet. Mine does, at least. If you'll just leave the wifi in the on position in the Comm Manager and have it config'd for your home network it should automatically connect whenever you are at home.

epoh said:
If you are connected to a wifi network it should always use that over MediaNet. Mine does, at least. If you'll just leave the wifi in the on position in the Comm Manager and have it config'd for your home network it should automatically connect whenever you are at home.
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Man, if I turn on my WiFi radio continuously, the battery heads for zero in a hurry! I keep mine off unless I know I'm in range of a network I can use.

Data connection keeps randomly not working?

It seems random when the data connection works and the internet works on my phone. I'll sit there with full 3G signal and i get "cannot find the DNS Server" error when trying to load webpages :S
is this a problem with my Samsung Omnia 7, Windows Phone 7 or my network (Orange UK)?

I have this problem on my HD7 as well. If I have a 3G connection, it doesn't work. It only works on H (HSDPA).
Funnily enough, I had the same issue with my HD2 running WM6.5, which makes me wonder if WP7 is using the same comms drivers.

I have this problem too! A LOT everyday in diferent locations.
Actually how can I enable the HSDPA on my HD7? Because I can only get 3G.

These are just network errors.
I use internet alot and it happens on every device I had.
My WP7 is actually pretty stable in this regard.

Same! Never works on 3g only ever H you sure its just network errors cause it happens alot

YES this is a major problem for me with my Omnia 7, I even got a replacement phone from my carrier (Optus Australia) because of it... and it's exactly the same. It's extremely frustrating and makes the phone damn near unusable. Happens on every device? what a load of rubbish, if I put the SIM in my old iPhone 3GS it works FLAWLESSLY. I don't know what I'm going to do.

doministry said:
These are just network errors.
I use internet alot and it happens on every device I had.
My WP7 is actually pretty stable in this regard.
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Can you explain then, how come a reboot always fixes the problem?

Jim Coleman said:
Can you explain then, how come a reboot always fixes the problem?
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Yep, I have the same problem with my Omnia 7.
On all 3 of the networks i've used it on, T-Mobile, Virgin and GiffGaff.
Only solution is to reboot the phone.
I thing i've noticed, is it seems to happen when I move from an area where I have WiFi access (Home/Work/Cafe) to an area where i'm using a Phone network ?

I think we can only hope that the upcoming WP7 update fixes this. Also it seems enabling airplane mode then disabling it also fixes it in a similar way to rebooting the phone.

johnnymatrix said:
I think we can only hope that the upcoming WP7 update fixes this. Also it seems enabling airplane mode then disabling it also fixes it in a similar way to rebooting the phone.
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I'll make a note of that, cheers!

Im having the same issue with my HD7. Only EVER works on H. Not on G or 3G. It's driving me insane. The exact same sim on the same provider never had an issue on my Touch Pro 2, but this phone is shocking for internet

I get this occasionally on my HD7. Not really an issue right now. It does get annoying sometimes when the wifi in my house isnt strong enough to connect

mrcalais said:
Im having the same issue with my HD7. Only EVER works on H. Not on G or 3G. It's driving me insane. The exact same sim on the same provider never had an issue on my Touch Pro 2, but this phone is shocking for internet
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You do realize that phones switch to H only while they are actively swapping data, then fall back to 3G while dormant, to save battery?
Try it - leave your phone alone for a bit and it will switch from H to 3G. Now access something on the net and it will switch to H (if possible) to get the data, then after a few seconds of inaction it will switch back to 3G.
So yes, it is correct that it only ever works on H!
Mind you, it would be nice if it worked on G too, I'm sure it should but mine never does.

hm i thought the " H " means that i dont get 3G signal.
but i think i had the same problem!
solution:
you only need to turn OFF WIFI
somehow its not using 3G when wifi networks are close,
even if you not connected to one.
turn OFF wifi or maybe only "discover new networks"
turning OFF wifi always brings me 3G back ...

Just to add my experience here...
I have a Samsung Omnia 7 and had never experienced any issues with 3G/H data/internet issues on the 3 network in the UK.
However, I've come over to Australia to visit the folks and have put in a Virgin SIM, now I really struggle with this. The connection just isn't working even with full 3G signal.
As pointed out, toggling my Airplane Mode works most of the time - I guess this is because the phone re-registers itself with the network when you enable>disable airplane mode (just like it would if you rebooted it). Curiously toggling the data connection option seems to have no effect.
Pain in the a*se.

I had connectivity issues with my Samsung Omnia 7. I worked out that my phone was not playing nice with my router and so my wifi connected but didn't actually work.
Also, I found that 3G performance was sub-par and many apps timed out because they were taking so long to get connection.
I solved these problems by flashing a new firmware. It was a little tricky and it is potentially risky, but a quick google will lead you to the relevant information.
I used a European firmware (I am in Australia on Optus), but it works fine. I just had to change all the language settings.
Now my phone's 3G and WiFi connections both work a lot faster (no more waiting for an eternity for the marketplace to open for example).

I have the same problem and read on create.msdn.com it has something to do with how wp7 handles the connections.
If the provider cuts off the connection frequently it loses its 3g signal or something like that. Thats why my push notifications are just unreliable. If I take my sim out and use wifi only. It just works and keeps working as soon as I connect to wifi. When 3g comes into play and the carrier cuts me off because im not actively using, the phone struggles to recconect for push etc.

WP7 WIFI sleep time

HI Guys,
After having moved from my HTC legend to an HTC trophy 7 and getting used to all the interesting little fiddly bits of WP7 I was finally happy (Im mainly talking about the windows live mail contact sync issue).
All contacts finally fixed after a some time sorting them all and adding the phone numbers etc.
Anyway long story short the does not seem to be a way to make the WIFI stay on when the phone sleeps meaning that my preciously short 3g data will be used (Vodafone skimping and giving us only 500mb).
Has any one come up with a way to force the WIFI to stay on ala android sleep policy?
Cheers guys!

Your 3g would only be used if you are constantly downloading emails. Everything is push on WP7 so there wont be apps pulling data other than email. I wouldn't worry about it. WP7 is not android.

If I disable 3G while sleeping on WiFi is there ever a chance WiFi won't wake up for the push/pull of email or am I worrying about nothing?

Keep it connected to a charger or your PC and the wifi will stay ON.

Thanks for the replies guys,
Hopefully data usage will be better than android but I would sill like to be able to turn wifi on all the time is I needed to. In the mean time all email set to as arrives so should cut down on usage a bit.
Lets see what this next update brings
cheers

roccotune said:
I would sill like to be able to turn wifi on all the time is I needed to.
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As the other chap said, plug your phone into power and wifi will not turn off. I nall honesty, wanting the wifi to remain on while the phone is on battery power is a bit daft because it wouldn't last longer than a couple of hours.

Thanks again guys,
Granted leaving the wifi on all the time may drain the batt faster but my HTC legend managed like this with no issues as Android turns off 3g when WIFI is on saving some power. I think we should at least be able to change the WIFI sleep profile like android - 5m, 15m, never etc

roccotune said:
Thanks again guys,
Granted leaving the wifi on all the time may drain the batt faster but my HTC legend managed like this with no issues as Android turns off 3g when WIFI is on saving some power. I think we should at least be able to change the WIFI sleep profile like android - 5m, 15m, never etc
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I assume you mean that Android turns off 3g when Wifi is *CONNECTED*. I leave my Wifi switched on all the time and what happens is when the phone switches off, it disconnects, but the wifi setting remains *ON*.
Leaving it on is good because when I get home it connects to my Wifi network automatically but while out and about the phone doesn't keep trying to connect, which would drain the battery a lot.
So yeah, make the distinction between Wifi being "ON" and "CONNECTED".

Dropping wireless

Dear friends,
My Defy seems to be dropping wireless from time to time. Here's the whole story:
It's a green lens Defy running PAYS v6.0. What I've noticed in the last few weeks is that Skype calls drop sometimes (when the screen is off) followed by a relogin to skype (usually takes like a minute or so to relogin). Then I also noticed that when I turn on the screen the wireless sign disappears and reappears like it would be reconnecting.
Other 2 phones and 2 computers have no problems connecting to my router, even skype. Skype works fine on my Defy's mobile connection.
I've had Juice Defender installed but I've disabled anything related to wireless and then froze it. Wi-Fi sleep policy is put to never. Other programs that I have and might have anything to do with wireless/data connection: 3G watchdog, 3G mobile hotspot, widgesoid.
It looks like it's something about the wireless, but I cannot understand what. The only thing I could do is try another wireless network at my parent's or something...
Thanks in advance!
PS: I keep on mentioning skype because it needs constant data flow.
Later edit: Might, by any reason, have anything to do with the fact that I'm using a French release instead of a CEE one (like I "should")?