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Contacts / Edit before dialing a phone number

Hi everyone... I am new to the PPC world... being just recently swatch from my Treo600 to a new XDA2s, I am having a little difficulty getting used to the Microsoft way of doing things in PPC2003... I am just wondering is there anyone who can help me or point me to the right direction where I can get some external program that can help me from going insane... here's my problem... I usually keep a huge contact list with all my customer, supplier, co-worker, family and friends contact all in my PDA... so the usual way for me to make a phone call is to search it from the contact list... but here's my problem, I travel alot with my job and depending on my current location, I have to edit the number in my contact before I dial the number... in my old palm, I can simply edit the number before I dial that number (there's a funtion on my palm that allows you to edit before call... so it allows me to edit the number without physically changing the number in my contact list)... I am just wondering can PPC do that? Or is there any program in PPC that will allow me to do that? As far as I can see... in PPC, as soon as I have search for a contact and then I click on his or her number with my stylist... it will automatically dial... I can not edit it before I dial... the only way I can edit it before I dial is to physically edit the contacts... which is very annoying as I sync my contacts with my exchange server, I don't wanna to have to have all my contact get mess up with different area code and dialling code from different country... anyone know how can I solve this problem? Thanks for your help in advance... I very much appriciate all of your advice in advance... Peter

I think the most straightforwards solution here is to store all of your numbers in the international dialling format; that way, wherever you are, your device will place the call correctly
For example - if I had a contact in Glasgow, UK, it would be stored as +44141xxxxxxx (+44 for UK, 141 for Glasgow and the remaining seven digits as the local number)
In my experience whenever I have been abroad, any calls to any of my stored numbers are placed correctly first time by either my SmartPhone or PPC.
If you're problem is regarding a slightly different issue then please expand on your problem by detailing what you mean by "modifying" your contact before you dial.

My problem is a little bit more complicated I think... I already has most number stored in the international dialing format... but my problem is that, depending on my location, I have to dial a certian set of numbers in front of the phone number to be dial in order for me to save on long distance and roaming... for example, while I am roaming in Mainland China if I want to dial home in Hong Kong with my mobile... normally, I will dial 0085226****88 but that will cost me like USD2 per minute... but if I dial with a prefix of 17909 (hence I will type in: 179090085226****88) then my per minute charge will now be something like USD0.10 per minute... which is a huge saving especially when I make roaming and long distance call all the time... the same thing in Hong Kong, if I dial 1666 before I dial long distance, I will get a much higher savings over regular long distance... my problem is that I can not possibly store all of these information for all the locations that I am going to be in, each places that I am going to be in, have a different sets of number... so is there any intellegent way to add additional numbers in front of the number stored in the contacts before it is being dialed in pocket pc? I know on my old palm... I can solve this problem in two ways... 1) I can set a certain dialing prefix before the system dial any number (normally I leave that blank, as I prefer edit before dial function)... I can use this prefix function but it will require me to change the prefix when I am at a different location but it is a workable solutions... is there something like that in PPC? 2) The second way to solve this was the edit before dialing function on the palm... I just click on the number, it allows me to edit the number temporary before it is automatically paste onto the phone software and before the phone dials it...
Anyway, I know this is very complicated and it is a very rare issues thats probably just affecting me or a very small number of users... but it will be great if there's some simple solutions to this... but I think this problem is mainly due to the lack of flexiblilty in the contact list rather then the function of the phone itself! :O) Anyway, thank you very much for your help and suggestions again... very much appriciate it :O) Peter

Try if this works
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Can you please post the link again? It doesn't work :O) Thanks for your help :O) What kind of program is it? :O)

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you got it all wrong
... if you ask me: your approach is wrong. Here are the basics. Windows XP, for instance and Outlook, that is the source of the contacts (and phone numbers and other details that are entered), stores phone numbers in this 'international' format:
country code (MS has a list of countries and codes of its own)
are code (another, separate field) and
number
If you respect the fields provided by Outlook then you get a number generated by Outlook that looks like this:
+381 (064) 6185250
THIS is the 'correct' international format recognised by Microsoft Phone Dialer (well not actually MS but Active Voice, but that is a completely different issue)
My point is that +448704364673 is NOT a correct international phormat, because MS cannot differentiate between the international country code and long distance (area code) and therefore the phone dialer cannot parse the numbers correctly.
NOW, how to get the system to know WHERE you are and should it use the area code when dialing or you are in the area your friend is, or you want to call a toll free number that is in 'another' area, or you are dialing a client abroad etc. Well, there is the 'Dialing Rules' settings! THERE you create a profile (home, office, abroad etc.) and provide the area code for the dialer to differentiate...
This is all well with the Windows XP/Outlook 2002+ I know well, BUT when it comes to PPC... sorry, I have the same problem...>
FACTS:
fact no. 1: Outlook separates phone numbers in groups of>
country code
long distance code (area code)
number
fact no. 2: phone numbers entered this way are stored in a format>
+381 (064) 6185250
fact no. 2: Microsoft Phone Dialer recognises this number and dials correctly
via a voice modem... (headset or speaker/mike required)
Question: what hapens when contacts entered this way into Outlook are sunchronized with the
Pocket PC (Windows Mobile 5.0)?
Answer : all contact's numbers are entered into the Contacts list in the 'correct' format.
(the same format with the bracket, as is noted in PC Outlook)
My findings: the problem arrises when you use your mobile capable Pocket PC
(i.e. the super cool Qtek 9000) and try to dial someone on to his mobile or office phone that are on another
area code...
the Pocket PC, or Windows Mobile 'Phone dialer' dials EXACTLY
as the number is entered in the above mentioned format
(the mobile operator recognises the + at the beggining of the number, but
does not understand the spaces and the brackets!!! and offcourse
the mobile operator returns an error voice message that a wrong number has been dialed!
What am I to do?
Can I find/download/install a proper phone dialer (i.e. MS Phone Dialer) that comes with Windows?
Phone Dialer 1.5
Developed for Microsoft by Active Voice
http://www.activevoice.com/dialer
bottom line is that CISCO systems aquired this Phone Dialer in 2001 and Active Voice discontinued developing/supporting whit app. (link on the Active Voice site is outdated and no support on MS site, as well)
(please do not post solutions as: "you should reformat your number entries etc. because I have 800+ contacts and counting...)
P.S. what I gathered is that this is not device related it is just OS and app related. I had the same problem with my previous Nokia phone... (I did not solve. Actually I thought I will solve with this device...)
I've set the Dialing Rules with my country code and area code (Mobile etc.) So, I don't have a clue what am I doung wrong

i get the number not the name on receiving a call

i am a new user of i matepda2k some times i get the number not the name is there any solution for this problem

it means their number is not blocked and you do not have a name associated to that number in your contacts. Cell networks unlike landline CID's do not send the account name just the number.

thank u ver much for your rapid response but,
this problem is temporary ,some times occur and some times not, although i am saving those number in my contact list under specific contact name.
thank u again

It happens on my PDA2k also. Sometimes it displays the number of the incoming call and if I wait a few rings (sort of giving it time to look up the name) it then shows the name from the address book.

I had this problem when I was running M$ Voice Command.
OK after I uninstalled

Try to disable the Caller ID by moving the shortcut from the \Windows\Startup to other folder and reset.
I'm using Caller ID v1.20 and the name of the file I moved is IA_CID_StartUp.lnk. If you are using other version, the name of the shortcut may not be the same.
Hope this will work for you as it work well with my Xda IIs.

i don't have this voice command
i found 2 files which one should i disable
ia_caller_id.ink
ia_cid_startup.ink
or should i remove both?
thank u for ur help

Remove ia_caller_id.ink
You've installed both versions of caller id (1.17 and 1.20), that doesn't work...

i am still having the same problem

I'm having the exact same problem, and I had hoped there would be a solution for it here... Still none?

To developers! possibility to make some tweaks on dialer for...

Hi, all. I'm friendly user look for an dialer even it's not 3G, but also in 2G to make number changes on dialed numbers. I mean when I dial a number, in a case if I dialed wrong number to change the number on dialed one, not to dial again the correct one.
Sorry for bad english,
Thanks before.

winforall_xda-developers said:
Hi, all. I'm friendly user look for an dialer even it's not 3G, but also in 2G to make number changes on dialed numbers. I mean when I dial a number, in a case if I dialed wrong number to change the number on dialed one, not to dial again the correct one.
Sorry for bad english,
Thanks before.
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Try the spencepu3 dialer here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2228386&postcount=1
it's amazing, flawless and beautiful (of course, it doesn't have video calling).
if you'd like to have smart_dialing , you must install his smart_dialing too.
have fun.
and your english is amusing to read

phone number matching bug?

Hi all,
I posted somethinig similar to this a while ago. I am using my Diamond to call VoIP numbers, i.e. call a landline then wait for a few seconds and enter the destination number followed by hash #. The landline number is the same for all destinations and only the second part differs, which is the destination number. The numbers look like:
0123456789, 00447890123456#
Now, if I store two or more such contacts in the address book, e.g.
Bar: 0123456789, 00441234567890#
Foo: 0123456789, 00447890123456#
Joe: 0123456789, 00445678901234#
the, regardless which one I call, say Foo, in the call log it will always list "Bar" as having been called. The same happens if I replace the comma with a "p". The number however is stored correctly, i.e. if I redial it, it will call the number for Foo which is what was dialed in the first place.
It appears as being a bug in WM6.1. I haven't tried WM6.5 (anyone?).
How in the world can I fix this?
Cheers for any help

foo? bar? linux-user? i google your text for translaiting but nothing understanding.
do you mean that the order is not correct?
(if you can give an example with more friendly-understanding/windows-user than you can get earlier response from other forum-users.)
hope, you not so much angry

okokur said:
(if you can give an example with more friendly-understanding/windows-user than you can get earlier response from other forum-users.)
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I understood perfectly. Perhaps it is a english as a second language barrier. I will try to restate the issue. (I wish I knew the answer.)
When you have a extra long number stored to a contact (as you might when you dial a AT&T toll free number with some pauses, then a passcode, then a number.) And you have more than one contact stored with this long number... they all have the same first 10 or so numbers. So regardless of which one was called last, when you look up the call history log, it displays the first one.
It would appear the call history only looks at the first 10 or so digits to find a match.

misfitflt said:
I understood perfectly. Perhaps it is a english as a second language barrier. I will try to restate the issue. (I wish I knew the answer.)
When you have a extra long number stored to a contact (as you might when you dial a AT&T toll free number with some pauses, then a passcode, then a number.) And you have more than one contact stored with this long number... they all have the same first 10 or so numbers. So regardless of which one was called last, when you look up the call history log, it displays the first one.
It would appear the call history only looks at the first 10 or so digits to find a match.
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if this is the case, you can use advanced config or diamond tweak (forgot which one had the option) and from there you can set how many numbers it should check

@misfitflt: Thanks for rephrasing the problem .. I was just about to post. Cheers!
Prewien said:
if this is the case, you can use advanced config or diamond tweak (forgot which one had the option) and from there you can set how many numbers it should check
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I forgot to mention I already played with the number of trailing digits in AdvConfig (that's what apparently the option is called) ... I tried values from the default 6 to 20 and nothing changed. The buggy behaviour persists.
I recently tried a new dialer with address book application that replaces the TF3D dialer; it is called Inesoft Phone v4.5 (it's actually pretty cool). This one does differentiate between numbers with pauses or commas correctly!
I'll try switching off the dialer completely and use the built-in WM6.1 dialer to see if that works fine. If so then the bug is in TouchFlo (?).
Anyone knows of other good dialer software that I could try?
Cheers,
p.s. I'm surprised this hasn't surfaced until now though ... anyone out there with the same issue? Or maybe I need to give the thread a more appropriate title.

i have the same issue but learnt to live with it as i didnt want to shift to another dialer.
tried playing with the number in adv config but of no avail
lemme know if you find anything

contacts with more than 1 number

help please there is probably an easy answer to this but i can't see it.
in my contacts lets say Mr A has mobile number 111111 and home number 222222
now if i ring him on mobile and get no answer what i have to do is go into view contact and choose an alternative number to call him on ie 222222.
now am pretty sure when i first got my desire if i choose to call Mr A i got an option box pop up asking my which number i'd like to dial.
does this sound familiar to anyone and if so how do i enable it?
also next problem again contact related
using Mr A above once his numbers are entered into his card the oprions to send messages are filled in for me i want to remove the field where it says sent message to home number in this case a land line number
any help appreciated
thanks

I can't really remember getting any of the pop-ups you mention. You have the option to set the primary number in the person card in People. Though it could be sometimes inconvenient, I don't think there is another way.
I find pretty inconvenient when I have unanswered call and want to reply, if that person has multiple numbers, you can't call number other than that you received the call from without entering the person card. It would be convenient if you could swype to change the number, you have arrows shown in the call list anyway.