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Upgrade to WM5.0, Reassurence needed! N00b!

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Hi folks,
I was interested in upgrading to WM5.0 from WM2003 on my SPV M2000 (=XDA 2???I'm told it's a blue angel...). However since I've come here i've got the impression that it could be riddled with problems. I'm a total n00b and I've been overwhelmed with different ROM versions and fixes....I wondered if you folks could help me a bit.
Is it worthwhile to upgrade? What has your experience been?
Will old WM2003 programs work on WM5.0 (I have loads of them)
Are there any bugs I should know about or will everything run smooth?
What are the disadvantages?
How do I go about upgrading? I upgraded my ROM once before using an update released by Orange. But the .exe file did it all for me. All I had to do was connect the device via the cradle and click next (pretty much).
Cheers folks! Much appreciated.
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SPVM2000owner
6 posts since Mar '06
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:03
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PS - is this the correct forum? (I'm guessing SPVM2000 is a hymalaya)
PPS - sorry if some of these questions have come up before. I'm sure a few of them must - I checked as best I could but I'm a total n00b and I'm dyslexic which doesn't make post plodding easy.
Thanks again!

help please! Some of you guys must have some ideas or thoughts that might help me!

Like you I also have an SPV M2000 (yes it is also known as the Blue Angel), and I am still running WM2003, I have done a few ROM upgrades etc so have a very basic understanding but even so am still holding back on upgrading to WM5, my main reason is that my phone is for work, and so need it to be reliable. saying that it sounds like that they have done some fantastic work porting WM5 onto the Blue Angel and one day I look forward to running it (which may be very soon).
Sounds like to me though before making your decision you should read this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27614
And this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42632
And I REALLY hope you have read the Wiki page which is here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM5_Home
As with any upgrade there is a chance you will turn your device into a brick, so you need to read thorugh all the previous posts, there is a search tool to allow you to search the forum (USE IT!), I am sure people here would love to help you but have a bit of respect and search the forum first, I expect every question you could think of has been answered before.
Somewhere there is a list of software that has been tested on WM5, cant be bothered to search for it, but I have seen a post on the forum somewhere!
EDIT:
Sorry didn't read the bottom part of you post, that will teach me!! Hope the links I have given you get you started though!!!

Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.

starik said:
Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.
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I agree! It's just to damn buggy.

overwhelmed

hi,
i recently got a xda trion and it's my 1st ppc. since i'm quite experienced with PCs i thought it would take me probably two days to get my device in a state that makes me happy. well,.... far from it ; )
i am completely overwhelmed at the moment and the worst thing is.... everywhere i go i notice that i lack the basic knowledge to join the conversation. since i get personally quite easy annoyed by rtfm-newbie questions i am in a starnge situation right now. i know that if i'd bite the bullet and read and work through everything related i will pretty soon master most of the required skills. i just really don't have that kind of sparetime at the moment. so maybe someone can give me a little shortcut and point me to the right places.
1st, i basically need a good foundation. until yesterday i havent heard anything about kitchens, romcooking and all that. is there a place where the basics are explained for dummies?
and now my actual problem. my device came with a german WM5 by O2. and it's causing already some problems. (paths not found by skinning application etc.) since my PC OS is also english I'd like to change it on my PPC. So I want to make a exact backup of my devices OS in case of some warranty issue and then install a english OS. one thing i dont know at all... does O2 usually try to prevent such action. for example by including some essential files which do not come with a clena install, but are required to use the phone with O2 as a carrier. I hope that was not too confusiong.
so... i would be very happy if someone could point me into the right directions, so that my waste of time by looking in the wrong places stays to a minimum.... and maybe letting me know about any problems that i might naturally run into when trying the above mentioned : )
thanks alot for your time
EDIT:
ummmm... one more thing. i spent hours yesterday to find some information on how to record phoneconversations. i cannot believe that there is really no way to do that with such a device. anyhow... the info i found was quite scattered and some of it seemed dated. what is the current status on this?
EDIT2:
aaargh... : ) why didn't i see this earlier. I guess most of my questions will be answered in the WIKI !!! Well, I was only checking out the FAQ which was kinda thin that's why I asked here : )thnanks
thanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355

How did we solve the SDHC mystery?

I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?

I second that !

I'd love to know, as HTC told me that it was a hardware issue. Maybe their way of trying to persuade us to update to a newer phone?
Thanks for the hard work guys. Haven't updated yet as can't afford an HC card.

extremely interesting question that i would also like the answer to.

Hi,
Question not thee, for thy shall not receive the answer thy seek.
Just say God bless the great BEPE. He's opened new doors for our devices and now there is a hive of activity all over, because we have this great ROM and SDHC driver - something that had evaded this great Forum for a very long time, despite several efforts.
Long live XDA Developers, long live all the other heroes in this Forum. You know who you are.
Something that I don't quite understand though - the great Bepe has taken a back seat and nobody hears of him anymore since he released his unique ROM. I guess he's cooking something else. I just hope that Microsoft or similar hasn't snapped him up.
THANK YOU GREAT BEPE. DANKA, DANKA, DANKA FOR THE SDHC.
Kiwi992.

Of course we thank BEBE very much for all the nice job done. No questions about that, at all.
But, still, I am also curious about how the stuff worked out.

Maybe
alfiejts said:
I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...c1-f0f4-4fd6-9366-b61e0ab59565&DisplayLang=en

As simple as that? A new release from Microsoft of WM6....
If it was that I'm slightly deflated that it wasn't down to some ROM cooker mastery......
But then the update did only come out on 11th October, so the timing is right and also that would explain why HTC failed to get SDHC working in their official WM6 ROM, as that came out before this general upgrade was available.....

hacking wm 6 pro (or 6.1) on to ipaq 210/211 series

a real life friend of mine and i are serious about getting one of these units into the right hands to unlock/hack/make-a-kitchen. i dont know who is capable/trustworthy and/or where to start. so help me out here, who should i talk to?
I had a good experience with this back in the day with the familiar linux project on a 3970 ipaq (shipped one to someone in the UK who hacked it pretty quick) so i wanna try the same thing with the 211.
thanks!

I see no reason to try to hack WM6 pro when the classic version is the same, minus the phone support. As for WM6.1, most of the changes are meant for pocket pc phones, but it's worth a try.

#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!

blaczero said:
#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!
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Very Funny blaczero, but your number #5 is always #1. Restated as...
1. Because it's there!

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ill send some PM's about this.

Any news?

Still nothing?

my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"

sliders7 said:
my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"
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still nothing, eh?

come on come on people....

Makes me wish I knew a little so I can cook something on my own. This PDA is a powerhouse monster than is bogged down by crappy software design.

so, anyone interested?

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Hey dudes, some news-
I regularly monitor over a dozen threads and boards concerning this issue, and here's the CURRENT STATUS of this project-
No developments have been made.
We can put linux on the SD card, and boot from that... but other than that, HP has made it nearly impossible for us to do ANYTHING to the original ROM that's in there. Granted, it's a POS, especially considering all the god aweful processes that HP has running in the background. I was this changed as much as anyone. No I saw earlier on that someone is willing to have their device worked on/submitted for experimentation. If this is true, then that's a big plus... I'll give a link in a sec showing where you can go to discuss that. There are a number of people working on this issue, but sadly, none of them are on here really... XDA is not the place to go for PDA support. Granted, almost anyone can get their questions answered, but no one on here is working on this problem to my knowledge.
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=265547&page=5
This thread is based on a false alarm that someone had for making a 6.1 ROM, but we're continuing the search here, and to my knowledge is one of the only regularly active threads concerning this. We have made some developments, but nothing concrete yet... HP's a ***** with this PDA.
If anyone has any other links to share, do so... I need all the information I can get on this, as I'm sure alot of you do. If anyone even reads this, then good- I'll know my little speech here wasn't all wasted.
Noxem Computers, ottoman96

If you re-navigate over to Brighthand, there has since been a few big steps in the right direction for new ROMs. The 210/2xx forum has a few threads with some good progress. Anyone interested or thinking they can lend some expertise should head over there. Peace.
Dave

Opinions on the default HTC TYTN WM 6.0 ROM

For the last 2 weeks, I've been reading the forum and waiting delivery on a unlocked/unbranded HTC TYTN with WM 5.0.
It appears the disadvantage of the AT&T release ROMs are speed and bloatware. I haven't seen any comments on the advantages or disadvantages of the official HTC WM 6.0 ROMs versus the cooked 6.0/6.1 ROMs.
Can anyone provide any comments on the official HTC ROMs? Sorry, if I missed it, but, I've been trying to cram as much knowledge as possible about this device and trying to make a decision on a cooked ROM or the official HTC one.
Thanks!

interesting
PJBHermes
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1
NEW THREAD on​ Opinions on the default HTC TYTN WM 6.0 ROM
I bet you didn't read anything on the open forums and you just asked your humble question...
GUIDE: on this website there is something called WIKI which has all answers to all Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
I kindly ask the moderators to do 2 important things for our forum to keep it updated:
1- open a new thread and give it the name "SPAQ" (Seldom and Personal Asked Questions) to avoid openning new threads for questions like this one.
2- we have now 258 threads opened for Hermes and that makes searching for a solution never easy unless we delete the dead and inactive threads which exceed the 150 threads... unbelievable, isn't it?
thanks
PS sorry mate, I have nothing against you personally

Wow, it took all of 18 posts to obtain that attitude? I have bookmarked and read over 50 threads. I read the wiki, I read the AT&T HTC forums, I read the Howardforums, Aximsite/MobilitySite, this site and even joined HTC Club.
Many threads, tell you how fast a cooked ROM is or what apps are in the ROM, I don't see anyone saying anything about the performance of the default HTC ROMs besides AT&T ROMs stink. I haven't seen any threads on why some people actually prefer the default to cooked ROMs or vice versa.
Nothing against you, but if searching for a solution is never easy for a savvy veteran like yourself, what makes you think every visitor or new member will find exactly what they are looking for? Even in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390603&page=4, you mentioned sticking to the default HTC ROM, you didn't go into details? If you would have just given the reasons why you picked the default ROM, that would have been extremely helpful, instead you assume I'm lazy and went on your soapbox.
I hope you gain some tolerance by your 25th post.
Cheers

I've been running the default 6.0 since November. I've been thinking of going to a cooked 6.0 or 6.1 ROM but have not taken the plunge. I have yet to see one thread regarding any that did not have several "It HR every XXXX days/hrs/min etc.. "
As of now I've had my share of lockups but nothing that a soft reset did not fix. While the AT&T 6.0 may be full of bloat it is the most reliable as I have not seen anyone complain that it Hard Resets.
Hope that helps.

HeyKrop, thanks for the feedback. ExactlyThat was my concern and wondering if the default HTC ROM would be better than AT&T, but not equal to a cooked version.
Right now, I'm leading to HTC's ROM and was hoping to find a definitive difference between that version and any cooked ROM. I'll continue "searching the threads" before making my final decision.
Thanks for taking time out to help a newbie.

(sigh) yes another thread on noob flashing.. guess it's my turn!
Hello,
i've been flashin my hermes for a year now and my advice would be.:
JUMP IN! the water is great my friend.
if your into flashin roms and learning from (experience). This is a good place to be.
There is wonderful talent here in xda, and the share their findings for us to learn and try out.
Don't be scared man! Just flash away!!
I recommend start with stock rom.. the move up to cooked wm6, theeeennn to 6.1's.. by then you should know the in's and outs
of your phone.
check some of the older schaaps roms. also search for my personal fav blackdragon.. he did a masterful job on a wm6 rom.
then graduate to 6.1..
-peace and happy flashing!

also...
If i remember correctly if you do flash the official ATT rom, you can soft reset the device right before the Carrier specific customization begins and interrupt all the att bloat.

I repeat again my dear friend/brother/... I really have nothing against you personally, and I am myself not that expert to answer all questions from everybody. I have a device and I'm trying almost everything on it because I know I'm dealing with software issues and I can reset whenever I want... so no risk at all in "jumping into the water" (thanks Joshkoss) as long as you read the necessary step-by-step guides.
I'm sorry for my intolerance, I surely didn't mean it to be.
PS I'm not counting my posts

Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later

joshkoss said:
Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later
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I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs

all htc rom
htc tytn i want htc tytn 200
update rom plz help

farres said:
I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs
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he he he he , same here. i also did the same and after i installed hard spl. bcoz i wasn't aware of hardspl and i didn't read the deatils available in wiki section of hermes at that time.

also i agree with josh koss quote "jump in, water is great". i really do agree with him. but in my opinion there are alway some sort of bugs available in cooked roms and they are not perfect but the official roms are perfect and there is rare chance that there will be any bug in it. i've tried many cooked roms of 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5, but rite now i am using official HTC rom from last 3 weeks and i haven't face any problem yet.
but the decision is yours, so cheers