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Is there any stable bugfree software for 8525?

Almost everyone I see on here has some sort of a problem with their phone. White screen, wifi not working, menus not showing up and god knows what else. Is there any ROM/upgrade/software that will make this phone stable?

mine runs perfectly fine, if you are unhappy with the current wm6 selections you can always fall back on the original cingular wm5 rom...

The very nature of the 8525, and the people on this forum, is FOR FUN!
The phone is highly cusomizable, and therein lies the instability.
Stick with stock and it will run fine!

only thing that really bothers me on custel rom is the IE getting stuck and not loading any pages. Requiring soft reset other then that so far so good!

reading threads and all the issues people have im wondering what they do to make it happen.
Ive had my phone for 6 months, flashed lots of different ROMS including WM5 and WM6 and i havent had any issues that i cant fix.

Software is wrote by humans so the quick and easy answer is .. no. There will never be a stable software that will work 100% on 100% of the phones. If you use Windows then your an unpaid beta tester for Microsoft. Think of this forum as a Microsoft forum for collecting all the issues and fixes for this software as a collaboration of every forum member. Just replace the Microsoft with HTC and that is more like it.

Stable and bug-free software? You are implying that people do their job and also test software? LOL, you should be a comedian. Look how well RIM tested their software last week (took down much of the Blackberry network).
that being said, what kinds of software are you looking for? Music/Video players? Text messaging apps? Office apps? Games?

I'm shocked at a question like this from someone with 6 whole posts. Ok, lesson in sarcasm over.
Look, you read a little and saw that with every new ROM there are problems. Read a little more and you usually find the fix to that very problem. If you yourself run into a problem, then you post and state what kinda problem you're having with what, then everyone else can help you. *sigh* This forum isn't a place where somethings released and all the angels and cherubs sing with praise. You have to have the patience and drive to know you're gonna run into problems from the get-go, but decide to stick around and work through them. Good luck in your quest to find the holy grail of apps though.

well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway

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well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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Re-flashing a new ROM wont fix anything. Have you read anything here? It's not offensive, and you're not offending anyone, but the whole process of flashing a ROM and seeing what works and what doesn't is what happens when you decide to do this. Each person here that's flashed a new ROM has thier own preferences as to what they want installed with it. Some apps are buggy, some aren't. If two people with identical phones flash identical new ROM's, they still might have totally different problems stemming from issues caused by what radio version they decided to try, what apps they installed or didn't install, whether they found the CAB that fixes a known problem or not. When I flashed my 8525 I went with Black 1.2 and still use it. Why? It's fast as hell, and over the weeks following the initial flash I found all the fixes to any problems I had incurred. Now my phone is sweet...to me. I'm happy. It wasn't a one day fix-all. Takes time to get it as near perfect as possible. Still freezes when I wanna run WAD on it, but oh well. It's something I know will happen when I use it. No biggie.
You need to be patient, and if you can't then this place isn't for you. You might be happier with the stock ROM that comes with your phone. It'll be less of a headache for yourself. Good luck in whatever you decide. I hope you decide to read more and work through the bugs. IMO I think you'll be happier in the end.

jarnism said:
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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If you wish to have the most stable device possible your probably best off to download the latest Cingular ROM (which is WM5), ALL the WM6 roms here are developed by the community (obviously the chefs do the real hard work but the feedback from us users helps develop them) and such are improving ALL the time. Firstly since you are not up to date with your version of Black, upgrade to the latest one...also make sure you upgrade the SPL,IPL and Radio...these can contribute to stability.
How to upgrade to Black 2.5, IPL 1.04, SPL 2.10.olipro, Radio 1.41.00.10.
IF you are still not convinced then I would downgrade to WM5.

jarnism said:
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long.
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isn't this the whole point of this forum and the wikis??
i'm not experienced as those other guys, but i'm pretty sure i've learned enough in the last 2 months to not have to sit here all day debugging, the only reason i spend 2 hours is b/c there's always better roms coming out and then u gotta customize your phone again...

Finally Usable
Have you even tried ANY WM6 ROM from this forum in comparison to the original WM5 Cingular 8525 ROM? My 8525 was nearly unusable. It locked up constantly. It had the sleep of death constantly. It was horrible! I decided to flash it with a WM6 ROM for the hell of it, and suddenly it was a useful device again. I have tried several ROMs on this forum, and all were better than the original, and all required some tweaking to work how I like it. The current big three, Black 2.5, LVSW, and CUSTEL, are all infinitely more usable out of the gate than that POS WM5 version ever was. If you want a trouble free phone, get a plain jane phone that does nothing but make phone calls. If you want a useable Hermes device, flash it with any one of these ROMS.

okay
I installed windows xp back on my pc which made things a little easier. I think my phones finaly working in order without any suprises.

overwhelmed

hi,
i recently got a xda trion and it's my 1st ppc. since i'm quite experienced with PCs i thought it would take me probably two days to get my device in a state that makes me happy. well,.... far from it ; )
i am completely overwhelmed at the moment and the worst thing is.... everywhere i go i notice that i lack the basic knowledge to join the conversation. since i get personally quite easy annoyed by rtfm-newbie questions i am in a starnge situation right now. i know that if i'd bite the bullet and read and work through everything related i will pretty soon master most of the required skills. i just really don't have that kind of sparetime at the moment. so maybe someone can give me a little shortcut and point me to the right places.
1st, i basically need a good foundation. until yesterday i havent heard anything about kitchens, romcooking and all that. is there a place where the basics are explained for dummies?
and now my actual problem. my device came with a german WM5 by O2. and it's causing already some problems. (paths not found by skinning application etc.) since my PC OS is also english I'd like to change it on my PPC. So I want to make a exact backup of my devices OS in case of some warranty issue and then install a english OS. one thing i dont know at all... does O2 usually try to prevent such action. for example by including some essential files which do not come with a clena install, but are required to use the phone with O2 as a carrier. I hope that was not too confusiong.
so... i would be very happy if someone could point me into the right directions, so that my waste of time by looking in the wrong places stays to a minimum.... and maybe letting me know about any problems that i might naturally run into when trying the above mentioned : )
thanks alot for your time
EDIT:
ummmm... one more thing. i spent hours yesterday to find some information on how to record phoneconversations. i cannot believe that there is really no way to do that with such a device. anyhow... the info i found was quite scattered and some of it seemed dated. what is the current status on this?
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aaargh... : ) why didn't i see this earlier. I guess most of my questions will be answered in the WIKI !!! Well, I was only checking out the FAQ which was kinda thin that's why I asked here : )thnanks
thanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355

hacking wm 6 pro (or 6.1) on to ipaq 210/211 series

a real life friend of mine and i are serious about getting one of these units into the right hands to unlock/hack/make-a-kitchen. i dont know who is capable/trustworthy and/or where to start. so help me out here, who should i talk to?
I had a good experience with this back in the day with the familiar linux project on a 3970 ipaq (shipped one to someone in the UK who hacked it pretty quick) so i wanna try the same thing with the 211.
thanks!

I see no reason to try to hack WM6 pro when the classic version is the same, minus the phone support. As for WM6.1, most of the changes are meant for pocket pc phones, but it's worth a try.

#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!

blaczero said:
#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!
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Very Funny blaczero, but your number #5 is always #1. Restated as...
1. Because it's there!

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ill send some PM's about this.

Any news?

Still nothing?

my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"

sliders7 said:
my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"
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still nothing, eh?

come on come on people....

Makes me wish I knew a little so I can cook something on my own. This PDA is a powerhouse monster than is bogged down by crappy software design.

so, anyone interested?

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Hey dudes, some news-
I regularly monitor over a dozen threads and boards concerning this issue, and here's the CURRENT STATUS of this project-
No developments have been made.
We can put linux on the SD card, and boot from that... but other than that, HP has made it nearly impossible for us to do ANYTHING to the original ROM that's in there. Granted, it's a POS, especially considering all the god aweful processes that HP has running in the background. I was this changed as much as anyone. No I saw earlier on that someone is willing to have their device worked on/submitted for experimentation. If this is true, then that's a big plus... I'll give a link in a sec showing where you can go to discuss that. There are a number of people working on this issue, but sadly, none of them are on here really... XDA is not the place to go for PDA support. Granted, almost anyone can get their questions answered, but no one on here is working on this problem to my knowledge.
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=265547&page=5
This thread is based on a false alarm that someone had for making a 6.1 ROM, but we're continuing the search here, and to my knowledge is one of the only regularly active threads concerning this. We have made some developments, but nothing concrete yet... HP's a ***** with this PDA.
If anyone has any other links to share, do so... I need all the information I can get on this, as I'm sure alot of you do. If anyone even reads this, then good- I'll know my little speech here wasn't all wasted.
Noxem Computers, ottoman96

If you re-navigate over to Brighthand, there has since been a few big steps in the right direction for new ROMs. The 210/2xx forum has a few threads with some good progress. Anyone interested or thinking they can lend some expertise should head over there. Peace.
Dave

Best WM6 ROM to upgrade to for someone who NEED IDEAS!! but is open to ALL opinion

Simple question I want all opinions, I just got my 2nd 8525, and this time I am gonna do it RIGHT!! (last 1 i had I was super n00b and kiled it within 48hrs I cried for a week) Anyways I just want the simplest answer or opinion I want my 8525 to last forever. SO I will flash it to the BEST WM6 ROM once and never again will I change it.
SO I am looking for just the BEST GENERAL OVERALL WM6 ROM, I am just gonna be using it as phone and only use the WiFI to connect to the NET, so the ROM I am looking for needs to be STABLE and needs to NOT ruin me or my 8525, I have been reading everyones SIGs to see what ROMs ya'll use, but I just WANT the Opinions of the regulars here
WHAT Windows Mobile 6 ROM should I upgrade to?? I will take ALL suggestions PLEASE help me, I dont wanna kill my 8525 again, I just want to flash it and leave it at that!!
THANK YOU EVERYONE
P.S I'm not a complete n00b if u read the whole thread you'll see I do my homework

the number one advise which everyone has been giving which has been pounded into everyone's mind, which you somehow manage to avoid listening to, is to first install hardspl. Hardspl is a must if you want to upgrade your rom.
as for the best rom recommendation, i will tell you this, there is no such thing as a best rom, everyone will have their own preferences, what works for one may not work for another person. just see any thread on ppl asking for best roms and you will see many many different replies.
just by the fact that you are making this post i will assume you want the easy way out, you rather have ppl do the recommendations for you than read and learn on your own, so i will give you the easy way out solution. Install the official at&t wm6 rom, and just soft reset before the customization starts and there you go, all done. its either that or return you phone and get a firefly. or a symbian phone. but i highly recommend the firefly.

XtreMe_G said:
the number one advise which everyone has been giving which has been pounded into everyone's mind, which you somehow manage to avoid listening to, is to first install hardspl. Hardspl is a must if you want to upgrade your rom.
as for the best rom recommendation, i will tell you this, there is no such thing as a best rom, everyone will have their own preferences, what works for one may not work for another person. just see any thread on ppl asking for best roms and you will see many many different replies.
just by the fact that you are making this post i will assume you want the easy way out, you rather have ppl do the recommendations for you than read and learn on your own, so i will give you the easy way out solution. Install the official at&t wm6 rom, and just soft reset before the customization starts and there you go, all done. its either that or return you phone and get a firefly. or a symbian phone. but i highly recommend the firefly.
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doubt he understands... =)

follow this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462
and get Farias/Dr Puttinghams R32
enjoy ..
Remember follow the steps
HARSPL V7 first .. (from olipro)
You will find it and visit
wiki.xda-developers.com

Still don't believe noobs don't read the guides before installing. As test7875 said above you need to go through the upgrade guide, and possibly wiki pages before you do anything to your phone.

Fallen Spartan said:
Still don't believe noobs don't read the guides before installing. As test7875 said above you need to go through the upgrade guide, and possibly wiki pages before you do anything to your phone.
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this is my 2nd time around if you Wouldnt MIND checking out the attached jpeg of my 8525 Bookmarks you would see that I do DO MY homework, I have read the wiki over and over, and I already have DONE the HARSPL V7 first .. (from olipro).

Once you've got HardSPL on, it's up to you really. Some are good and some are...flaky, to be polite.
I would start with the official one from your carrier and use that for a day or two so you have a good, hopefully stable, benchmark to measure the competition up against.
Bang all your apps on it and see how it runs then try the same thing on the cooked ones.
Smiffy.

I Phrased my Subject of the Thread and my actual question WRONG, I know that ther is NO best ROM is all about what features u want, be I want the opinions of you guys, the ones that call me a n00b, I value your opinion, I did my homework, I just want to flash my 8525 ONCE to a WM6 ROM that will last me the life of the phone. Heres what I like 1. theme skins 2. stability 3. good wifi 4. and I guess I want no bloatware so it will be a FAST ROM
So basically I just want to know what you guys (the experts) can suggest to me. Just want 1 ROM that will enable me to use my 8525 to the best of its capabilities!!
thank you
nicknowsky

i have used the offical ROM on my last 8525, and thats the one that got me i n troube and killed my 1st 8525
if u read the post above I gave a description of what i am looking for, or you know what I would like to know What The Most Popular WM6 ROM Is?? (no 6.1)

this is my 2nd time around if you Wouldnt MIND checking out the attached jpeg of my 8525 Bookmarks you would see that I do DO MY homework
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I wasn't particularly mentioning you, just noobs in general. Not offence intended
As for a particular ROM. As you mentioned
I know that ther is NO best ROM is all about what features u want
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its hard to pick a ROM for you. Generally you can't go wrong with Farias/Dr Puttinghams/schaps to name a few. As for applications, be careful not to overload your phone with .cab's as this will slow it down.
There are a number of ROM's out there which are stripped of applications and built more for speed (though right now I'm having a complete blond moment and can't remeber one of them....doh!!!), and from there you can add to your own personal preferences.

Hey SPARTAN, I noticed u are using WM6.1, but before that what ROM did you use, and better yet what was the ROM that you used the absolute LONGEST??? or what is your personal favorite??

I'm a bit of a ROM freak, as I never keep the same ROM for any real length of time. Think I've used pretty much everything with little tweaks here and there.
Mostly used Schaps, as he tends to provide very stable ROM’s and eagerly awaiting Schaps 6.1 full version, but currently using Faria-R32 / Dr Puttingham WM6.1

Well I am close to going thru with the ROM flash, I just did my weekly REINSTALL of my operating system (been using XP lately) and I just installed the necessary drivers and programs to keep my computer from messing up or having ANY sort of error while the flash process is going on, just the very basics installed, thats really what the cause of death was for my first AT&T 8525(HERMES100) I got sloppy and was then a n00b, did a real n00bish thing and KILLED my 1st 8525. The funny thing with that was I had it for only 48hrs, and I cried for a week after. I still have it, might send it to HTC USA for repair.
But getting back to the todays upgrade, I am still in the process of deciding what ROM I will install, so I gotta ask are there ANY last recommendations on which WM6 ROM I should use?? I just wanna hear any and all last opinions

1st : Shamanix Ultimate v2 Final and 2nd : Kinokin WM6 Final.

I'm valuing ALL opinions

I know, I know this getting annoying and I keep asking dumb questions but I wanna decide, so here is the question
Which is better and/or more stable Schap's WM6 Pro 4.00 or 4.01???
and how good is Schap's WM6 Pro 4.31 cause I am almost leaning towards 4.31, but I like I have said before I want stability and something thats gonna keep my 8525 running longest and strongest
This is gonna be it NO more stupidity coming from ME, I just want last opinions on Schap's WM6 Pro 4.00 - 4.01 and 4.31
and THANK YOU everyone who took the time to help me, I know members like me get annoying, but I do my homework, I just wanted a little help
THANKS

Opinions, eh? I'm opinionated AND drunk...
Here's mine: go with 6.0 instead of 6.1.
People experienced in dealing with little niggles and issues by altering registry entries or installing lots of small cabs get on fine with 6.1, depending on which ROM of course. If you're new to upgrading then the issues that have yet to ironed out of 6.1 in such as a way as to make it a simple 1-click-to-install-and-you're-done job will probably annoy you too much. Smiffy's advice was really good mate: start with a ROM you can rely on, which basically means your own carrier's. If they haven't produced a WM6 yet (mine, OrangeUK, haven't and probably won't as they do lag rather badly in that area) then go for the most basic, cut-down and reportedly stable 6.0.
After you've got used to using your carrier's mobile you'll notice when the phone's faster or not when using different things on a new ROM. Only move up to 6.1 when you're well-used to how your phone fares with 6.0. (I'm assuming you won't install any benchmarking software. Not calling you lazy as I don't either - I just judge the 'feel' of it.)
I heartily recommend using mattk_r's Pandora Naked 6.0 - it's stable as any ROM I've ever used, including official ROMs. Give me a minute, I'l fetch the link.
Here you go.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1731669
I use a ROM based on the kitchen with a lot of my own kit thrown in. But I didn't start out like that; I started out like you, needing a few pointers, doing a lot of reading and occasionally annoying the hell out of myself.
By the way, if you're not using an SDHC card (which I assume you're not from the sounds of things) do me a favour and stick a copy of the original carrier's ROM on your SD card after renaming it HERIMG.nbh. Should you do a ChunkyMonkey Special and temporarily brick your phone (I used to do it all the time mate) it's an easy out in many cases, even if you can't boot past your bootloader.
(But take the SD card out when you flash your ROM. Although that's good practice anyway, so just do it.. )

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359917&highlight=ultimate
As you can see (if you checked!) Ultimate is based on Schaps 4.31 ROM and more refined.

I'd go for LVSW.
Seriously man, you're asking the impossible. If you've read the forum so throroughly as you've claimed, you'd know that once you start, you'll not stop. Each of the ROMs, whilst good in their own way, has some kind o prolems with it that will make you change it for something else.
For example - Schaps 4.31 - an excellent rom but you have to install a fix for button 5 plus a couple of other gripes. Nothing major but enough to make me eventually keep looking once something different comes along.
You're not going to find the "one" rom.
The only place you'll find the one is in the matrix. Flashing is like the red pill. You're free of restraint but it comes at a cost.

I know I am asking for a "DREAM" I really just wanted opinions of what would be a GOOD, solid WM6 ROM, cause I am gonna flash it ONCE to the ROM I pick and that s IT, not more flashing or trying out new ROMs and this or that.
Put it this way IF you all had to CHOOSE just 1 WM6 ROM to flash and the fate of the world was riding on your choice of ROM, it had to be stable and save humanity, What ROM would that be??
thats the kinda opinions I want to help me make my choice

Start playing with WM5, or upgrade to WM6 first?

I recently purchased an AT&T 8525 and am interested in upgrading it a bit.
I don't really want to do anything extravagant with it (yet). I was planning on using Battery Status, HTC Home, and possibly HHC to start with. If all goes well, I may continue to pimp out my 8525 a bit more after.
I guess my question is more of a matter of opinion, but here it goes:
I was wondering if you guys thought it would be more wise to keep WM5 and start using these files (maybe because they are more stable w/ this OS, or because there is a wider selection, I'm not sure)...
OR
Maybe I should just go ahead and upgrade to WM6 and work with the more recent versions of the programs I was looking for on my phone.
I apologize in advance for my noobness!

Read, read and read.
Once you have read, and you know what you are doing, then go straight for WM6. WM5 is slow.

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Read, read and read.
Once you have read, and you know what you are doing, then go straight for WM6. WM5 is slow.
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agovinoveritas is right.
Moreover,
if you are really new to Windows Mobile devices,
I suggest you to stay with the WM5 and study / feel it first.
Then you may find WM6 how tasty it is. ^_^
enjoy~~ ^_^

I bought my imate jasjam in October 2006 and used WM5 for about 8 months then I got bored of it. May be it is better to play with WM5 first and when you are going for the upgrade. Try to get the original ROM handy with you. But remember upgrading need some wise thinking and reading. So no more noobness while doing so.
Search & Read
Search & Read
Search & Read
Search & Read
Search & Read
that is what everybody has done before upgrading.
Radio Rom is major factor on upgrading or downgrading but apart all HARD-SPL. Read about it or better use Mr.Vanx guide at
http://www.mrvanx.org