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WM6 vs. WM5

I'm ready to upgrade/flash my Dash, but just wondering, what exactly is the upside of WM6? I'm happy to be an early adopter and all that, but what will I notice to be improved?

if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago

lafester said:
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
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Thanks! Could you be more specific about the e-mail enhancements?

you can view HTML e-mail.

canadian student said:
you can view HTML e-mail.
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Is that it? How about alert customization depending on the account or something?

I have the files on my PC ready to go but I'm still using WM5 because I don't want my device phoning Microsoft or T-Mobile with my IMEI or other information. While you can disable it, the idea that your device phone's home should be kind of scary to you. Also, its BETA. I don't want my phone going crazy while I am on the road and I need it most.
JAmerican

its more then just html but that is nice.
you have the option to send mail when you hit send instead of having to hit send/receive as well.
you can keep mail on the server when you delete off the phone.
delete is moved to the left softkey instead of having to go into the menu.

I'm using WM6 on two devices, and although I wouldn't go back to the previous version, WM6 is JUST LIKE WM5. It's just that the majority of the applications have something or another that makes it that much more usable.
What I mean is, there are quite a few little features (and a couple additional applications) that make it an "upgrade." It's just like how WM5 was an upgrade to WM2003. It isn't an upgrade as much as it's update, if that makes any sense...
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.

installation process
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?

richy240 said:
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
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He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.

indiekiduk said:
He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
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Ugh... What app is that?!? Gotta make sure I uninstall that one...

rocky2 said:
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
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they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.

lafester said:
they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
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But there isn't exactly a step by step guide, at least none I found on a search.

You could write one...

I am using WM6 since first HERMES build appear.
PRO
Faster
Nice grafic presentation
Some applets (office mobile for smartphone could be one)
Windows LIVE (but is also available ad WM5 add-on)
CON
Is at least a RTM bur still some beta's DLL and drivers are out, meaning unpredictable results with some appz
No big improvements, I am using smartphone notes and documents to go and I HAVE a better office sute, having even some PPT editing, nice word usability and formatting
Needs to be patched just to work normally
HTML e-mail works ONLY with exchange server 2007
Conclusion
The Excalibur HTC ROM is fast and stable (we are talking STABLE in terms of a windows system ). Documents to go is much better than WM6 office, no compatibility for both with office 2007 doc formats, nothing really improved having the WM6 Rom at this stage .
WM6 is a MS business to boost VISTA compatibility and exchange server 2005 sales (all important new features are available ONLY uif you use exchange server 2005)
From user point of view better graphic is the only real enhancement

WM6 really shines when you are a corporate user with Exchange 2007 airsync. You have stuff like rights management, sharepoint proxy, calendaring enhancements and better office integration (with lates office clients you can also use new formats). There is much more info on the M$FT website.

Advice on upgrading 8525 from Cingular

My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!

you might want to start reading here: and here
its imperative that you read through this very important links not unless you want to end up with an expensive paper weight.
also, before somebody starts to flame you with your "whats the best ROM question" (it has been covered here a million times) it really depends on what you want. again you need to patiently search through the forums for your answers. it definitely is there.. good luck..

bapski said:
you might want to start reading here: and here
its imperative that you read through this very important links not unless you want to end up with an expensive paper weight.
also, before somebody starts to flame you with your "whats the best ROM question" (it has been covered here a million times) it really depends on what you want. again you need to patiently search through the forums for your answers. it definitely is there.. good luck..
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I have been searching for the past 2 hrs trying to figure out what ROM. There are so many I can not figure out which one to get. From people who have tried them I want to know for a CFO of the company which one is the most stable and works with AT&T. And how can I go back to the original ROM. Anyone have that ROM upgrade/downgrade available?

dude, you gotta read each ROM's thread... and see what people are saying about it... if it is a hermes rom then it will work for AT&T .. and you can ALWAYS go back to the original ROM by going to www.htcamerica.net and downloading it and installing it.

pimpin-tl said:
My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!
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How was your boss accessing his gmail accounts prior to the WM5 upgrade?
i.e.
-Pocket Outlook
-the web (www.gmail.com)
-gmail java client
-Exchange Server (Google Apps)

Seriously, I have been testing most WM6 roms posted on this site for the same reasons. Our whole company uses 8525s.
I would NOT recommend ANY of them for corporate use. Let alone for my boss!
Wait for the 'official' Dopod 838Pro ROM out tomorrow.
http://www.asia.htc.com/asia/event/WM6/index.html

Squuiid said:
I would NOT recommend ANY of them for corporate use. Let alone for my boss!
Wait for the 'official' Dopod 838Pro ROM out tomorrow.
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Yeah, I'm sure it'll be ready for prime time alright, especially for use with AT&T.
Seriously though, what are you people smoking when it comes to the fervor over this impending "official release"? I believe I'm having iPhone deja vu...

My 2 cents
Well the original poster was asking about what the best ROM was. I've tried a few of the WM6 ROMs and at least my 2 cents, the best has been vp3G's 2.01h. I had issues with the keys not lining up with othe versions - though was able to fix them with a patch. Also, vp3G's version has the data connections configured for AT&T - though you could possibly do that manually with other ROMs. I did have to install the other Cingular apps like MobiTV and XM radio that wasn't included in his ROM.
Before I upgraded to vp3G's ROM (I didn't keep the other WM6 ROMs for very long so I can't speak to their stability), but on the 2.15 "official HTC" upgrade for the 8525, I was resetting my phone daily - some days multiple times - but I seldom have to reset my phone now. Bluetooth also has improved. I have a logitech bluetooth stereo adapter which was hit or miss before when I tried to sync the two. Now it syncs without any issues. There's also the added benefit of a registry editor, as well as addition tweak settings included in the ROM.
Great work vp3G! - got my 3 other friends with 8525's to take the plunge and upgrade as well.

pimpin-tl said:
I have been searching for the past 2 hrs trying to figure out what ROM. ...clip...
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2hrs is not nearly enough.
Try a minimum of 12hrs.
(read, research, search, read, search, read)
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...clip... And how can I go back to the original ROM.
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And now you'll need to set aside another 2-4hrs.
Wait until all your symbols are messed up.
(easy fix - but that question gets asked over and over)
If you're like alot of new people here, you will just start a new thread on every possible question you could have.
Happy Learning.

pimpin-tl said:
My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!
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If everything is ok only except his gmail. Please check the gmail setting.
In the gmail setting, there is a "forward & pop", check the pop.

I just pruned the living hell out of this thread to keep it technical. Any more OT crap and I start handing out bans.....
Those of you whose posts were deleted: You've been warned...
geez....

Anyhoo....
I've been running my company's 8525 equipped execs on WM6 for over a month w/o complaints. In fact, they love it. We've also been able to mass upgrade to Office 2K7 because of this since the ROM I'm loading has Mobile Office 2K7 installed and can read native attachments.
We use direct push to Exchange 2k3 currently.
I'm also keeping the security folks at bay with WM6's SD encryption capabilities.

No worries Sleuth, apologies. It got crazily out of hand, I thought my posts were pretty low key. Sorry.
Anyway, I hope you don't mind me reposting some of the relevant info minus the BS. I think it has merit.
As stated, I still think WM6 is not ready for an environment where high reliability is required.
The latest WM5 AT&T ROM works flawlessly with MS Push for all 35 of our 8525 users. It does not stop syncing.
I have tried most current WM6 ROMS and MS Push will occasionally stop syncing at some point we find.
We are a large corporation and tested the 8525s thoroughly for MS Push before dumping Goodlink and moving to MS. We still have 250 Blackberries in the UK which will also be migrating to MS push/Hermes. (MS did it like they always do, take someone else's idea, offer it free and wipe out the competition!)
I'm not implying the official AT&T ROM is perfect, far from, the one big bug is that PIE will stop showing pages and device then needs a reboot.
But the killer app for us is MS Push and that works as we need it to.
Thus, I am hoping that the official HTC/Dopod WM6 ROM does indeed work better than the current 'cooked' WM6 roms. Fingers crossed!

Sleuth255 said:
Anyhoo....
I've been running my company's 8525 equipped execs on WM6 for over a month w/o complaints. In fact, they love it. We've also been able to mass upgrade to Office 2K7 because of this since the ROM I'm loading has Mobile Office 2K7 installed and can read native attachments.
We use direct push to Exchange 2k3 currently.
I'm also keeping the security folks at bay with WM6's SD encryption capabilities.
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Really?! That's good news! Which ROM and what Radio ver?
I find that using EDGE/GPRS and not 3G improves battery life considerably and minimizes the stops in syncing.
Does your WM6 ROM not stop syncing using push at all then?!
I'd really appreciate any info you can give me.
Cheers.
I agree, SD encryption along with remote wipe is a plus.

There is an issue with the RTM CommManager that appears to affect direct push. The WM6 release our execs run pre-dates this. Direct push is completely stable.
That being said, I'd hold on WM6 updates in your case until you get a chance to test the ROM I'm currently working on. I know how to fix the sync bug but have several options. See the latest posts in my current ROM thread (click on my sig) for more information on this.

Sleuth255 said:
I just pruned the living hell out of this thread to keep it technical. Any more OT crap and I start handing out bans.....
Those of you whose posts were deleted: You've been warned...
geez....
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Thanks for the clean-up Sleuth.
I can confirm that the Sleuth ROM is indeed stable enough for a corporate environment. Looking forward to the next release.

Sleuth255 said:
There is an issue with the RTM CommManager that appears to affect direct push. The WM6 release our execs run pre-dates this. Direct push is completely stable.
That being said, I'd hold on WM6 updates in your case until you get a chance to test the ROM I'm currently working on. I know how to fix the sync bug but have several options. See the latest posts in my current ROM thread (click on my sig) for more information on this.
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Thanks Sleuth!
Well, am testing the new Dopod ROM. It seems they left the old CommManager in that too, obviously for the reason you just mentioned. I have good hopes for this new ROM.
Thanks again.

Update - so far so good! This Dopod ROM looks promising. have been using all day. No stops in Syncing. Lets see how it pans out when I take the subway home. Always the decider as to whether it will start syncing when I come out.

Must Have App's

Guys,
Just got my P3600, flashed with bepe WM6 image which is really stable bar for the email accounts disappearing.
Does anyone know of a really simple email app that just downloads from the server but keeps the messages on the server. Also would like it to check every 5minutes and tie in with the HTC today page as it currently displays the outlook email.
Also, what are the must have applications for this? Is there a good list i can have a look through?
Cheers

Must have applications list for P3600 with WM5 can be found on
LDCWeb2.0 (french)
All applications in this list are available also for WM6 or few are now useless (because natively included in the OS).
For your purpose, according Pocket Outlook is not enough for you, perharps you can try emoze or morange.

thanks for the suggestions,
is pocket outlook the version thats loaded on by default as i have problems with the accounts disappearing....

Softbank MMSLite + WM6.1 = sadness FIXED

THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED BY MMSLITE BUILD303
SEE POST 135: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2390456&postcount=135
Problem:
MMSLite does not work on the new WM6.1 ROMs
It installs with no problem, but then in the Messaging screen there is no MMS account.
Looking at the RASBook in the registry, it seems that the hidden connection necessary is being created. Also other registry entries connected to MMSLite seem to be okay.
History:
MMSLite is a program used to access (Japanese provider) Softbank's special push mail system.
Previous versions of MMSLite have automatically created a MMS account and the connection necessary to access this account.
This same problem happened with some WM6 ROMs that had the dual SMS/MMS account cooked-in.
Questions:
Does anyone know how to fix this? (Wouldn't that be nice.)
Who is the creator of MMSLite and how can I contact him/her?
How has the structure of the Messaging application changed in 6.1?
Have other MMS-related applications been affected by changes in 6.1?

The file "cemail.vol" can't be modified may cause MMSLite don't working.
And it cause spb backup fails to restore the messages.
It happens on some of the WM6.1 Roms, but the first one (WM6.1 from the Vietnamese BBS).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362846
I have tried many method to delete the file but failed.

Need the answers too.
Anybody tested the "Softbank Mail" app on WM6.1?

shilei7899 said:
Need the answers too.
Anybody tested the "Softbank Mail" app on WM6.1?
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I gave up on that Softbank Mail app. It was slow and cumbersome. Personally, I would rather not be able to access MMS than use that software.

larsuck said:
I gave up on that Softbank Mail app. It was slow and cumbersome. Personally, I would rather not be able to access MMS than use that software.
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Agree. Using Softbank Mail is really a pain.
Seems the app "DRAW" everything on the screen instead of using controls.
Maybe that's the reason why it's soooooooooooooo slow.
However, I will give it a try on this weekend.

Good News
I just tried Pays WWE215 Full(+ Askal e-chinaV62 No.5 + Ask IME_31J), MMLite is works fine.
I think softbank mail should work on this rom too.
Sorry I am wrong. This rom uses Big Storage ROM v3.62.
Will try another soon.

larsuck said:
I gave up on that Softbank Mail app. It was slow and cumbersome. Personally, I would rather not be able to access MMS than use that software.
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Totally agree a soft like (MMLite + EMOJI) would be wonderfull.

I've got a method of seeing emoji, but they are in black and white. Check here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288136&page=9
Be sure to read to page 10 as there is an easy .cab file.

larsuck said:
Problem:
MMSLite does not work on the new WM6.1 ROMs
It installs with no problem, but then in the Messaging screen there is no MMS account.
Looking at the RASBook in the registry, it seems that the hidden connection necessary is being created. Also other registry entries connected to MMSLite seem to be okay.
History:
MMSLite is a program used to access (Japanese provider) Softbank's special push mail system.
Previous versions of MMSLite have automatically created a MMS account and the connection necessary to access this account.
This same problem happened with some WM6 ROMs that had the dual SMS/MMS account cooked-in.
Questions:
Does anyone know how to fix this? (Wouldn't that be nice.)
Who is the creator of MMSLite and how can I contact him/her?
How has the structure of the Messaging application changed in 6.1?
Have other MMS-related applications been affected by changes in 6.1?
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Mate, just a note to say it works fine on CRC PHK, the latest version. Like you I had problems on earlier 6.1 roms. The interface is slightly different, but all works. Oh, and MMS/SMS are separate too!

Cedricguo said:
The file "cemail.vol" can't be modified may cause MMSLite don't working.
And it cause spb backup fails to restore the messages.
It happens on some of the WM6.1 Roms, but the first one (WM6.1 from the Vietnamese BBS).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362846
I have tried many method to delete the file but failed.
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BOMB! So anything based on the PDAViet ROM is cool it seems. I tried Pandora's version 13.5 and have MMSLite running.
Edit: NO BOMB! Spoke too soon.

So roms in this forum used another base rom.
Just tested Pays ROM Full - WM6.1 WWE with Big Storage RC2. MMLite don't work. Softbank mail works fine.

larsuck said:
I've got a method of seeing emoji, but they are in black and white. Check here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288136&page=9
Be sure to read to page 10 as there is an easy .cab file.
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Thnaks alot for the info.
Tried the emoji thing, works great for me.
And tried Pandora Kitchen too.
MMLite works, but the file cemail is still locked by some process.
Can't restore from previous backup by SPB Backup,
I do have the memory that saw my restored messages get threaded by the new WM6.1 messeging app. Must be the original VietBBSRom.

So, some ROMS work, some dont.
is there a list of working ROMS?
and how to figure out what version on WM6.1 was used to cook a rom, to make sure it will work with MMSlite?

Tried another
Tried Hermes_ShadoW_2.0_CE(Build 19521.1.1.0) from Cloudyfa, MMLite　dosen't work.
But Spb backup does work.
Waiting for a rom to let those two thing both work.

has anyone tested the new Pay's ROM Light\Full version from Feb 11th?
does it work with MMSlite?

It works! had no problems with it so far. 24 hours. Although, his rom seems to be slightly unstable. I have been getitng lots of random hangs with it. Might be due to MMSlite. But atleast it doesn't disappear from the mail selection menu!
Edit: it doesn't work. 24 hours was the limit. Same old problems. See my post 23 below.

tora201 said:
It works! had no problems with it so far. 24 hours. Although, his rom seems to be slightly unstable. I have been getitng lots of random hangs with it. Might be due to MMSlite. But atleast it doesn't disappear from the mail selection menu!
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i see. i also had random hangs with previous version.

Current running Faria / Dr Puttingham WM6.1 Collaboration rom.
MMLite works fine. And the rom is fast & stable.

im using pays 6.1 v3.00 rom now and every now and then mms will disappear from the message selection screen. if i soft reset it reappears in the message selection screen.the sent and recieved mails are still there.

HungryHippo said:
im using pays 6.1 v3.00 rom now and every now and then mms will disappear from the message selection screen. if i soft reset it reappears in the message selection screen.the sent and recieved mails are still there.
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I have observed the same with Pandora Naked 9b1 and have lost emails this way. Not every time, but sometimes when I sent a test mail when MMS had disappeared from the selection screen it never arrived. So be warned, you may miss emails.

WM6.1 sending SMS to an email address

Are there any WM6.1 roms that allow sending SMS to an email address? I know some of the WM6 roms did and some did not. This was a big feature for me any ideas?

Hi,
Call your provider for the number for sms to mail.
solution for T-Mobile Germany:
Send sms on number 8000 with first entry the mail adress.
Code:
example SMS to 8000:
[email protected] hello, this is sms to mail.
wfg
starbase64

Part of the problem is that I have never had to do that before with ATT. With many other ROMs and with regular cell phones on the ATT network you can simply type in the email address and send the message. If this is a limitation of using WM 6.1 it would probably make me go back to a WM 6 ROM that allows it.

With many other ROMs? custom ROMs?
because I always thought SMS-2-Email was carrier setting dependent.

I was able to do it with the ATT ROM that came with the phone originally and then I was only able to do it on certain custom ROMs

It is definitely rom based because it wouldn't work with schaps roms but works fine with K's roms & vp3g's.

I was testing ShaDoW's 6.1 CE rom and I loved his work on that rom - it was awesome! Fast and very stable, ... but I had problems with the MMS on it. So much so, that I just recently switched back to VPG's 3.62.3 rom. It's a little slower, but it has full MMS functionality.
I really liked 6.1 better. I hope someone fixes the MMS problems with it. As I understand it, its not just ShaDow's rom that is having problems, but it's something with most - or all - of the 6.1's.
I'm hoping VPG comes out with his version of the 6.1 rom!

Got it!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1987708#post1987708