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Just got the XDAIIs from o2 today

Cant see any problems with it yet.
Slide down keyboard is stiff and secure, no gaps or loose
Screen has no yellow tinge
wifi works, but signal is low.
after reading some of the posts here in the days before my XDAIIs arrived
i was dredding it realy.
the problems i was reading made me feal like sending it back in return post.
BUT
as was said in one or two other posts, it looks like O2 have got the good stock
the wifi problem looks like its here, but saying that it works all round my house and threw walls here, so im happy there.
the signal isnt as strong as my laptop shows.
however driveing down the road, it picks up all sorts of wifi signals.
the volume of the outgoing voice sounds ok.
i mean ive asked a few callers and they say i sound fine.
i use the GPS mouse with a cable that splits to the car ciggy lighter
it was a worry i had (from reading posts here) that it wouldnt fit.
back when i got the gps mouse there wasnt a cable for my XDAII so i took a chance and got the one for the XDA,
it woked fine on my XDAII charging and working the GPS mouse.
so.....
today i tryed the XDAIIs AND IT WORKED !!!
i wish i could remember the name of the mouse, i will look tomorrow for you guys.
but GPS WIRED MOUSE/CHARGER for XDA works on the XDAII and XDAIIS
(without forceing the plug in)
if i find any major problems i will post here in this thred..

I'm on my 3rd O2 xdaIIs and it's a good one ( stiff keyboard/no gaps/no yellow ) all working and I'VE DROPPED IT. Chipped some of the paint of down the left hand side near the camera/record/volume buttons. gutted.

xda iis is it a good buy?
I'm looking into getting the xda iis after january and looking for all the pros and cons. have read it has a bad quality screen unlike the xda ii or iii,...I'm not up to date on things nor do I know a great deal on technology, (only what looks good)...but I don't like to have to use a stylus and have fairly big hands.. I'm sure you have seen about all the flaws and problems relating to this phone/pda...but what do you think first hand, now after having and using it yourself? And also if I might ask, does it meet your standards or live up to your expectations...? Any comments or ideas? I personally don't know whether to look forward to it, or to wait for something else. :?

If you don't like using a stylus, I'm curious as to why you would want a Pocket PC. Even with the thumb keyboard, you need to use the stylus most of the time. Would a Nokia 9500 not suit you better?
As for big hands, my glove size is 12 (or XXXL) and I have little problem with the keyboard on the XDAIIs.
There are quite a few negative comments on here regarding the IIs, but they seem to be based on earlier units, suggesting there were problems with the first batch. My IIs seemed to be part of a later batch and has no physical problems (keyboard is nice and tight, no yellow tint unless I view from a crazy angle, wifi works really well) though the bluetooth software is still dodgy (waiting on O2 to test and release the patch) and there are a few really minor bugs that will be ironed out.
But if you don't want to use a stylus, I would think long and hard about getting a Pocket PC. They are designed to be used with a stylus. The keyboard is really there to augment the normal, pen-based input; not to replace it.

stylus for blue angel
It's not that I dislike the stylus, I just don't want to use it all the time and don't want it to be the only option as on the xda II. I don't mind it for applications and bits, but not too much word input. It puts me off a bit. I do like the keyboard option on the II s, as I have had a look and feel of the II s and was highly impressed by what I saw. It definately suits me (as long as it is a good one and not full of bugs)...as far as nokia....I have never liked any of them... just personal prefs really. I've been wanting a pocket pc as I find they are really interesting and you can do a lot with them, however I'm a bit slow when it comes to knowing what's what when it comes to things like this. Are you happy with yours?

Just got mine, the screen seems ok no yellowish color, havent had chance to play with the Wifi yet.
The keyboards a different story like, seems really loose and really doing my head in, you would think it would lock in quite tight like my samsung e800
How have you gone about getting 02 to swap yours?

Are you guys basically reporting that you have NO yellow on your screen?? Unless I look straight on my pda2k has a substantial yellowing. It's starting to bug me...

Rhodium or Raphael

Hi,
i have a prop my provider had change my xperia due to 4 cracks in a half year against the Touch pro 2. The action needs 4 weeks in between i bought the touch pro and get lucky with it. I had decide to put the rhodium on ebay when it comes.
Now i have the device 3 days and i can't decide anymore which of the Phones get back
The Pro is smaller and better to handle but the Pro 2 looks and feels much more better for quality reasons.
When i hold the Raphael in my Hands it feels loose and the back cover makes noises.
Is here anybody with both devices and can give his Experience with the quality of both devices
Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad english

I have both phones. Hand down for the TP2 for these reasons.
1) Better build quality. No wobbly screen what so ever. (At least on mine.)
2) Just an over all build quality of the whole device itself. (Accept battery cover)
3) The screen is enormous compared to TP1.
4) Keyboard on the Rhoduim is the best I have ever used on any handheld device.
5) TF3dD is much more responsive and no lagging what so ever.
6) The Rhoduim just is much more faster, more responsive and quicker on every aspect of the device.
7) Very finger friendly. You don't need to use the stylus like you do on the TP1. I only use it when using file explorer.
I could keep going on, but I just wanted to list some of the most noticeable differences from the two. In conclusion the Touch Pro 2 looks a whole lot better and feels a whole lot better. When you hold the Rhoduim in your hands you can feel it is very well made. I am very pleased with my purchase. Hope this helps.

I also have one Touch Pro and one Touch Pro2, and i choose Touch Pro2 without any doubt, or you might regret it someday.

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Thanks for your feedback, i'm a little bit in sorrow with the chrom frame at the xperia it starts flaking and becomes cracks.
And the hole device was creaking after short time.

rookie333 said:
Thanks for your feedback, i'm a little bit in sorrow with the chrom frame at the xperia it starts flaking and becomes cracks.
And the hole device was creaking after short time.
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About the chrome sides. It looks and feels like it won't be a problem, but I could be wrong. I installed the Zagg full body protector which covers the chrome, at least 90% of it. So maybe this will help with any chrome flaking that may occur.

I've the Touch Pro and sold it off for the Touch Pro 2. Am not regretting it at all... I totally forgotten about me owned a Touch Pro before, until you posted the topic about it... It's like driven a BMW before and now a Ferrari That's the feeling of having the Touch Pro 2.

I would keep the Touch Pro 2. The build quality on the Touch Pro in my experiences is not up to par with other HTC devices. My original FUZE (AT&T Touch Pro) DPAD went bad. The capacitive sensors just stop working correctly which makes it impossible to use any buttons except up and down. My replacement (refurb) is developing this same issue.

SEQ said:
I've the Touch Pro and sold it off for the Touch Pro 2. Am not regretting it at all... I totally forgotten about me owned a Touch Pro before, until you posted the topic about it... It's like driven a BMW before and now a Ferrari That's the feeling of having the Touch Pro 2.
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Same here; my dog ate the TP1. Waited for the TP2 to be available and no regrets for waiting and having to use a Touch Dual for a couple of months...

re
Thanks again for the nice post the TP1 is already on Ebay.
i think my problem is to disturb the Ferrari

Perhaphs you want to post also in marketplace!
One plus for TP2!

Get the awesome TP2 and be a happy camper on the xda forum!

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galaxys said:
Get the awesome TP2 and be a happy camper on the xda forum!
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since i got the fu..... Xperia i already be a happy camper here

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It's absolutely sickening, i have the Device 7 Days and saw here the thread wobbly screen, what should i say, mines too 4 to 6 mm in each position
i talk with HTC and they tell me bring it back it's a faulty device.
Now is the fu...... Pro 2 on the Way to o2.
The whole Handy manufactures produced **** for a lot of money and we all are so stupid and buy it

Just wanted to say thanks!
This helped me in my decision to go after the Rhodium after all (even though I like the design of the Raphael much more).

Do you think the T-Mo HTC TP2 Back Cover...

Im about to get the T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro2 and if you all have seen it the back is awful, At least in my opinion looks like an old phone look,
I was wondering if you all thought the Battery Cover Door for the EU one will be exact fit as the T-Mobile one,
I want the Silver back then the Mocha i think it is back.
I reviewed it in real life then compared it to videos they look exact to me i wouldnt imagine them changing the actual phone.
If anyone knows that'll be great if they're exact fit before i pay $25 for it.
Silver one:
http://www.msgdigital.com/productdetail.asp?productid=47493&refid=froogle
T-Mobile One:
http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/htc-touch-pro2-t-mobile-wing-ii-4.jpg
The mute button looks the same, The usb curve on the bottom though you cant see it is the same,
I dont think the T-Mobile one has 2 mics but thats just a hole, Thanks sorry if been asked.
Gotta go to work thanks for the replies if any knows.

for the life of me, i simply can't figure out why telcos always go and mess around with the handset's default design. in almost every instance they make it worse.

the device looks really cheap an the T3D is an earlier version than the default device

yea I'd like to know this too..for when I buy the device on AT&T. I want it to look as much like the euro version as possible.
anyone know if the euro battery cover would fit on the US-branded units?

Personally I like the backs of the default generic/Euro version and the Verizon versioin (I like the world map they included in the back, what can I say)
And the front I like the most is the Telux one. Unfortunately there's no chance of changing the front I'm guessing

I am not sure where you buy that phone, but the Dutch (The Netherlands) T-Mobile branded HTC TP2 has the original silver cover.
I see the picture you linked, and I agree it is ugly!
(The original TP did not have the nice black diamond back and no LED Flash, but the TP2 seems to be identical besides the T-Mobile logo's and the ROM as the real HTC-TP2)

Just to let yall know ill be ordering the back on Wednesday when i get the Phone, Ill post if it fits or not its only 20 dollars,
I'll personally when i get paid change the front outer border, also they sell the chromish or whatever front faceplate for i think 20 dollars might have to check a few times.
The T-mobile back is just so blah and the square speaker isnt nearly as cool as the round one going all the way down.
Like I said ill post if it fits or not i went to review it at my T-mobile store and i watched video from my G1 and it looks identical on the actual fit of the phone,
Lets hope right? I have seen the Sprint World Map one thats amazing looking but that back wont be out forever.

somethingdope said:
for the life of me, i simply can't figure out why telcos always go and mess around with the handset's default design. in almost every instance they make it worse.
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I like that several US carriers went without chrome (Verizon's rim looks a little like black chrome). I don't really want shiny happy people to relate to me.
But generally speaking, you're right. Carrier's designfu is weaker than HTC's.

Unfortunately the world cover one won't fit on the normal gsm versions. At least I don't think it will as it must make more space for he 3.5mm jack.
The Sprint one looks weird... the brown is just ugly, but the back is an interesting design...
interesting good or interesting bad I haven't decided yet

Yea i forgot i about that, It looks the Exact same on the EU and T-Mobile one but the sprint is differnt from pictures that has been posted,
Reason why im waiting to order the back till wendesday is so i can do a detailed comparasion at home instead of at the malls T-mobile haha
Iv also seen custom Battery Back Covers floating around if any one is interested i think i seen them all on ebay/

How does the Titan compare to Rhodium?

Hi all,
I've been using a HTC Titan for the past 1.5 years and I'm going to need to get something new. The Titan is alright, but I've gone through 3 units because of keyboard problems and wifi issues. This whole process has left me somewhat disallusioned with HTC.
The Rhodium looks awesome and I know its relatively new, but will I be dissapointed if I give HTC another shot? Anyone made this jump as well? I'm hoping 2.5 generations will have made a huge difference.

stim_stim said:
Hi all,
I've been using a HTC Titan for the past 1.5 years and I'm going to need to get something new. The Titan is alright, but I've gone through 3 units because of keyboard problems and wifi issues. This whole process has left me somewhat disallusioned with HTC.
The Rhodium looks awesome and I know its relatively new, but will I be dissapointed if I give HTC another shot? Anyone made this jump as well? I'm hoping 2.5 generations will have made a huge difference.
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I have...
And its defo a step up...Major step infact...
My TyTn II was so buggy now thinking about it...the Rhodium is a ot more smooth, however as usual WM has bugs.

I have also made the jump from Titan to Rhodium. I just couldn't stand the hardware issues anymore.
I must say I miss the large selection of buttons you had with the Titan and though it was a touch screen I think the interface for me was only like half touch. With the Rhodium its full touch for just about everything but TF3D makes up for Windows short falls and I am all but used to the interface after a week. Also if you are big into games on your Titan you may find that several do not work on the Rhodium as the screen res and lack of D button prevent them from playing.
Another issue for me was the soft reset being under the cover because no matter what I was soft resetting at least once a day with Titan. With the Rhodium I am running "Power Options" for resetting and shutdown and I have only fully locked up once where I had to remove the cover and hit the button.
Overall I think it was a good switch. The keyboard and HUGE touch screen along with the snappiness more than make up for lack of buttons. Hope this helps!

Is the extra weight easy to get used to?

I would say yes. I like a heavy phone just because I think it feels like a higher quality device and a lot more solid but thats just me. I like heavy pens too which may be for the same reason.
I think the better build quality over the Titan helps getting used to the weight. I also think it feels a little better in your hand than the Titan at least the Sprint one does as it has like a rubbery feeling battery plate and the rounded edges are wonderful. It appears much thinner to me.
Are you on Sprint or another carrier?

I had a titan for a while, I would've been happy if I had one that was brand new, had no problems and was faster.
That's EXACTLY what the TP2 is, it's a titan on steroids. It does and has everything that I wanted more out of my titan.
More power, longer battery life, bigger screen, 3.5mm jack (well if your CDMA), better keyboard (titan was pretty damn good, this one is better), tilt function.
I liked playing games on my titan, so it's a bit more difficult on the TP2, but to me the phone makes up for the lack of D-pad, I wouldn't give up this phone for a lesser with a D-pad.
I debated picking up a new/slightly used touch pro 1 to replace my titan, since I figured I could get one cheap since the TP2 was here. Then maybe down the road, replace it with the TP2 once the price drops or they become replacements for broken TP1s.
Now that I have the TP2, I wouldn't return it on the "return policy" to get a cheaper TP1 (which seem to have a few issues themselves). My buddy that owns a TP1 agreed, "If I had that phone (TP2), I wouldn't return it for a TP1"

I'm with Telus in Canada so I have the ole cdma version.
The one thing I think will be awesome is that itll be so much easier pressing the "x" on the screen because of the smoothed edges. I always found the screen edge on the titan to be really annoying. Of course, win 6.5 will supposedly fix this by moving the "x"

stim_stim said:
I'm with Telus in Canada so I have the ole cdma version.
The one thing I think will be awesome is that itll be so much easier pressing the "x" on the screen because of the smoothed edges. I always found the screen edge on the titan to be really annoying. Of course, win 6.5 will supposedly fix this by moving the "x"
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Its definitely way easier and I don't know that the change in WM6.5 will even matter to me since I no longer have issues pressing the "X".
The Titan was very annoying with the screen being in a giant crater.

Tilt 2 or Pure?

I cant make up my mind. Is there any issues I should know about? Any help would be appreciated.

Rhodium if you prefer to have the best hardware keyboard device to this date
And don´t forget to vote!

QWERTY all the way
If you are into typing alot (messaging, emailing, ... etc) than forget about full touch devices, .. QWERTY is the way to go, .. IMO touch screen texting would NEVER replace full QWERTY keyboard no matter how good it was
having that said, .. have you checked OmniaPro? .. It has QWERTY + AMOLED Screen + 800MHz Process and it is cheaper that Rhodium (Tilt 2) not sure if it comes to AT&T though
here is a link for comparison
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=5024

I would say go with the Tilt2. If you don't want to use the physical keyboard, you can always use the on screen one. That way you are not stuck with only the on screen one. (Personally, I like options.)
I used to have the first Tilt (it was my first phone with a physical keyboard). I don't think I will ever own another phone without one. However, I do find myself using the on screen keyboard every now and then on my Tilt2.

i love the tilt 2. The only thing that really bugs me about it is the weight and the size. Other than that, it's a great device.
I think these are the question you have to ask yourself:
1-do you type a lot, and do not mind the weight and size. if so, go with tilt 2. (additional benefit of titlt 2 is the larger screen size which is much easier to use when you use the finger and brwose web).
2-do you want a small and portable device, if so, get pure.

Tilt 2.....

I learned how to type really fast using the iPhone, but for some reason the HTC keyboard doesn't 'catch up' to space bar button presses that well. I have to wait for the space to add in and the auto word correction options to go away and it slows me down.
I heavily considered the Pure, but I went with the Tilt 2 because of the screen. The device itself isn't that thick so if you wanted to go all touch screen you won't really feel like you have a needlessly large device in your hand. The Pure's screen is tiny in comparison to the iPhone and the Tilt 2's screen. At least for me. And I don't take many pictures, but without a reliable flash, 3MP and 5MP really don't make much of a difference.
I'd go with the Tilt 2 and find a good third party software keyboard. You won't be disappointed with the slide out keyboard should you decide to use it.

Tilt2 for the screen and I like the face down speakerphone. I also like the heavy feel of it. The Pure just feels so cheap to me in comparison.

I have the Tilt 2 as I wanted the hardware KB. However, after installing Swype, I am finding myself using it less and less.
The screen is also a bit larger in the Tilt 2

I have used both and I must say the larger screen on the tilt2 is more useful than I thought
imo if you're a big texter get the tilt2...whether you're using the hardware or the on screen keyboard, its just a lot easier on tilt2
but if you like to take pictures with your phone get the pure...I found that besides the difference in resolution, the pure takes way better pictures...theres no match (pictures taken by the pure are clear and have nice colors...the camera on the tilt2, on the other hand, is just so bad that its impossible to not take a noisy picture)

I tried the Pure for a few weeks. It is nice but I did not like the small keyboard much. Most keys were ok but the side keys for me were hard to get. e.g. press the one key and you get the two key, etc.
One other thing that bugged me was the vibration of the camera when I sat it down. Or sometimes when I tapped it in my hands. I took it back and looked at a new one and it did the same thing. No biggy.
I did return it though. They took it back without any questions.
My store was Radio Shack. $29.95 w/2 year renewal.
AT&T store 149.99.
I have ordered a Tilt 2. After testing it out at the AT&T($250 before $50 rebate) store it felt nice.
I ordered a refurb through Amazon for $50 and renewed 2 year contract. The new one was $174.
If ordered new through Amazon for $99 with a new 2 year contract.
I just hope the refurb is good. I am poor .