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See http://www.pielframa.com/promo_jasjar.htm
Only problem is that it would appear there is no belt clip
Nice!!
That's the first good case I've seen!
Looks professional and easy to use. Its a bit expensive to order it yet.
But that's the case I'm going to get for my MDA Pro
The missing belt-clip makes this case useless for me .. i want one with a belt clip !!!
- Superbowl
A beltclip is necessary for me, too. Without this function the standard MDA Pro case is OK with me. I think a case like the standard for the magician would be perfect for me - belt clip an quick release...
looks awesome, dunno that i'd trust having the pda open and the cover shut as those storage cards in the case get a tad close to the screen for my liking!
Flubster
There is not any plan at piel frama to add belt clip , i sent an e-mail to piel frama & they reply :
Regarding the belt clip, we have to inform you that due to the weight of the device and the design of the case, we cannot instal a belt clip on this new leather case. The clip would not stand the weight of the device on the belt. Besides, if we would instal a belt clip on the case, the functionality of the case would not be the intended one as the user would not be able to use the device with the belt clip on it.
We are sure that you will understand this situation and will agree that the belt clip is not a good idea for this model.
Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you need further assistance.
Very best regards and have a nice day!!
I just bought the Piel Frama case. The leather feels good but there is one design flaw. It has a strip of leather on top of the keyboard. With it my PDA cannot close properly. I am so afraid to damage the hinges on my new toy. If you have any ideas to modify this problem please let me know.
If anybody wants to buy my Piel Frama case for JASJAR please let me know. I live in Hong Kong
greatestkelvin said:
I just bought the Piel Frama case. The leather feels good but there is one design flaw. It has a strip of leather on top of the keyboard. With it my PDA cannot close properly. I am so afraid to damage the hinges on my new toy. If you have any ideas to modify this problem please let me know.
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You can cut the strip on top, near costures... I have one and no damage on JJ...
I am also very tempted to cut the strip of leather. But I was thinking if you do, after awhile the whole JASJAR might just fall out. Its really a pain to see such a nice case go to waste.
I was going to cut the leather strip as well. It does not seem like this is really what is holding it in so there would not be much harm in cutting it so that the device could fully close.
Can someone who did this post pics and say if it makes an improvement?
Cutting the case
Why are you guys cutting the case? Pielframa should replace the faulty cases. In the past they have replaced cases whithout the need to send back your faulty cases. Most people buy them from outside Spain. Sending it back internationally could be a pain. In the past when they released the first batch of the ipaq iPAQ H6340 cases, these cases were also faulty (it does not fit well). They did not recall the cases, but replaced them.
By the way the Pielframa issue is also mentioned on another thread. See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=183962#183962
Maybe they've changed their policies on replacements. As you stated, I don't want to mess with a 2-3 week turnaround from sending from the USA and back to Spain.
Here is what I got from Piel Frama:
Thank you very much for your email and for your kind words about our products.
We are sorry to hear that you are having problems with the case. In fact, some of our customers have informed us that they are having some problems to close the device. Our craftsmen have been thinking about it and they have thought about a solution which would be to take the thin strap over the keyboard from the case so that the problem will be solved and the device will close without problems.
So that, we would ask you to ship the case back to us by regular mail and we would modify it the case. Our postal address is the following one:
PIEL FRAMA
Avda. Fuente San Francisco S/Nº
P. I. "LA PIEL"
11600 Ubrique (Cádiz)
Spain
Once we get it, we will make this modification in the case and we will ship it back to you.
If its a matter of just cutting out the back leather strip, I can do that myself instead of dealing with a 2-3 week turnaround not to mention the mailing costs in addition to costs that I've already paid, to mail it to them.
It is not very customer friendly. Pielframe cases are certainly not cheap. A standard (i.e. not crocodile or ostrich) Jasjar case cost at least 70 euro's about 87 $. So we should expect good quality and good working cases. If a case is faulty which could damage the jasjar / MDA Pro then they are liable for that. So having customers to spend more money (time and shipping cost) to have it fix does not really make sense.
My Piel Frama case just arrived this morning (ordered on 2 Nov.). I was excitied because my normally they have great products. The leather is nice, but I have to report the problem mentioned above is worse than I imagined.
With my case, the leather strap across the top of the keyboard prevents the screen from closing by about 8mm!
I can not even snap-close the case because the screen sticks up so high --even if I apply pressure.
So, my case is completely unusable. I wonder if they had real Universal units during the design process, or if they just worked form published specs.
Back to Piel Frama.
I was visiting Piel Frama Factory. They have an I-Mate JASJAS to probe the cases. I have a cocodrile leather case and my JASJAR close well. You can see my blog (click in my firm or www) ... and will see, in last picture, the Piel Frama's JasJar.
Have Fun
my word of advice is don't use the case unless you do something about it. after 2 days of using my piel frama case I removed it and notice that the hinge is quite loose. previously the joints were tight, right now when I move the screen portion there is a clicking sound and it is coming from the joints. piel frama case has damaged my toy instead of protecting it. I just cut away the top portion leather that is above the keyboard. I don't care about sending it back, anyway what can they do when the design itself is flawed.
I did expect a little more than just "send the case back to us", but I guess that is the way customer service has gotten these days. Fortunately, I purchased my case from a reseller in the US and only paid $54 but still expected better from Piel Frama.
This bad press isn't going to be helping them sell many cases, because most of us hear about these things through forums such as this one.
Does cutting away the back leather strap appear to make a difference when closing the Universal now? I'm ready to start hacking mine!
yes , cutting it off does help quite bit, its much better now. however it will not completely close because there are still 2 more pieces of leather at the side. what I did was that I used a clamp for about 15 mins both sides. it looks ok much better than before. a few guys on this forum has also done so. afterall the machin is more precious than the case
greatestkelvin said:
yes , cutting it off does help quite bit, its much better now. however it will not completely close because there are still 2 more pieces of leather at the side. what I did was that I used a clamp for about 15 mins both sides. it looks ok much better than before. a few guys on this forum has also done so. afterall the machin is more precious than the case
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Hmm ... cutting the back stip off lowers the lid just a little. Cosmetically, the appearance is nicer with the strap. There's still some pressure on the back hinge when you snap the case closed. But, it looks to me like the top lid of the jj is flexing a little and like closing the lid is depressing the remaining leather on the sides that's causing problems. This pressure on the lid bothers me, but I'm not sure it will damage the hinge on my jj. I'm going to think about this more before deciding whether to return it to Frama.
I had, and still have, a slight clicking sound when closing the lid. This clicking sound isn't there at all if I pull the lid closed from the right side. But, it is there if I pull the lid closed from the left side. The swivel mechanism is rotated slightly counterclockwise and that is why right vs. left side pulling down of the lid causes no clicking vs. clicking.
This is not to say that the Frama case couldn't cause hinge problems for some. I don't think it would for me ... but I'm reluctant to snap the case shut now until I investigate further.
http://www.doml.co.uk/productdec.asp?pid=2136&model=jas_jar&modeln=i-Mate JASJAR
Looks to be the best Universal case, though having read the issues of the case not allowing the phone to close properly, was just wondering if anyone's got good / bad experiences of this one. Also, any other suggestions as I believe I really do need one for this phone - particularly one with a belt clip or some kind.
Comments appreciated.
Cheers
Ant
May be look for Piel Frama case
I haven't yet bought but I think about more to a Piel Frama case. It is quite similar but with some details such as the way keyboard is maintained which seems better.
You can look in this blog (sorry it is in french). The guy seems happy of it?
:arrow: http://ouziel.blogs.com/pierre/2005/11/etui_piel_frama.html
My French is a little rusty, but looking at the pictures it would appear that for his case as well, the lid is not allowed to close properly. This could, in theory, start to create problems later on for the hinge mechanism.
Any others thoughts?
Ant
Sorry, I've just realised I put this in the Upgrading, rather than Accessories bit.
Any chance a mod could move it there?
Cheers
Ant
I am a lover Piel Frama user since my first PPC and before see how they work in the south of Spain... they still working really hard as a hand made workers. The quality seems very, very good and if you want to know more about Piel Frama, please visit: http://www.pielframa.com/indexeng.htm
£1.79 from Tesco, lightly padded cordura small camera case.
It fits the Universal perfectly, and if you push it in SD slot outwards the flap leaves enough space for wired headphones to come out.
Bargain!
I quite close to selling my Universal as i'm having problem carryng it. Cant find a case slim enoug to attach to my belt, the ones out in the market are just to chunky. And if i keep the PDA in my pocket it sticks out.
I've just bought a slim leather case for my O2 Exec from Noreve ( www.noreve.com ) that I'm very pleased with. It has a rather good belt attachment too. Comes in grey or black and costs €39.99.
Here's the link for the Universal case: http://www.noreve.com/brand/Qtek/pr...TC_universal_-_i-Mate_Jasjar_Tradition_-.html
You can also take a look at some other cases for the Universal at, for example, www.addonsworld.co.uk
G
The universal is a clamshell device. It does not need a case. I just close it an pop it in my pants pocket. That way its smaller than my old device, the Loox 720, in its thin slip case.
Try it for a few days without a case. You will be amazed.
Surur
I carry my Universal in my hands very carefully like a priest would his bible.
When I wear a belt, I put my V1640 in its Proporta case and attach it to my belt clip on my belt.
If I don't wear a belt, I put the V1640 in its original leather case and then in my pocket. I might do what surur does though.
If I just go for a simple walk, I carry it on a padded belt pouch. If I am at the gym, I carry it using a semi-hard case made for the NINTENDO DS which I bought for $2.95 at Radio Shack.
I would not recommend to put any Pocketpc in the pockets of your trousers. All devices are made of plastic, which is bending. Because of this, the device will bend when you move and after some time (approx. 4-6 months) it will produce errors, which are hardware related.
I bought an universal leather belt case from pielframa, which is perfect for the universal.
I got my Universal as a replacement for a Ipaq H5550, and i've found the old leather case for the Ipaq is almost perfect for the Universal. [Even with extended battery] The leather is better quaility and has more padding than the Universals case, yet it doesn't fell bulky, plus it also has a bulit-in belt clip and SD card holder.
I have to remove the Universal from the case to use it [no BT headset yet], but I had to do that with the Ipaq. So thats not a problem for me. :?
DavidT. said:
I carry my Universal in my hands very carefully like a priest would his bible.
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LOL Excellent !
I personnaly use a Krussel case, and I especially like the keyboard cover that protects my beloved Universal when I surf AND eat Nutella...
The Universal is either at my belt (at the crook of my back when I wear a suit, it is practically invisible), or in my case, since I have my tiny Jabra BT-800 in my pocket to answer calls...
DavidT. said:
I carry my Universal in my hands very carefully like a priest would his bible.
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I too carry it in my hands. Girls of my college look impressed too !! :wink:
kdskamal said:
I too carry it in my hands. Girls of my college look impressed too !! :wink:
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And I bet the girls say "Wow! That's huge" to you, too.
HeartOfDarkness said:
DavidT. said:
I carry my Universal in my hands very carefully like a priest would his bible.
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LOL Excellent !
I personnaly use a Krussel case, and I especially like the keyboard cover that protects my beloved Universal when I surf AND eat Nutella...
The Universal is either at my belt (at the crook of my back when I wear a suit, it is practically invisible), or in my case, since I have my tiny Jabra BT-800 in my pocket to answer calls...
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where did you buy the krussel case with keyboard cover? can you fully close the universal with it? i saw a brando case with keyboard protection but the cover was too thick and it wouldn't close fully when i triedit...
thanks!
Hi there
Yes, I can fully close the Universal as the plastic cover, while being astoninshingly strong and resilient, is thinner than the pads on the lower corners of the keyboard. It doesn't get scratched either, it fits almost perfectly the shape of the Universal and almost nothing manages to slip under it. Finally, it doesn't change the "feel" of the Universal's keys, so the keyboard still is very fast to use, and still feels as good as when it is naked.
All in all a great case, the only way to improve it IMHO would have been to make it a two-pieces, independant set, with one for the keyboard base and the other for the swivel screen, but the downside to that would have been that the Uni would have received much less protection. So I'm very satisfied with it, especially when I see how cheap it is compared to Covertec / Noreve stuff.
One last thing to say is that it is also surprisingly durable: leather is still in prime shape, there are no deformations whatsoever, even though I've used it 24/7 for the past 6 months.
I saw the Brando you're refering to, I think, and I exactly know what you mean. No such thing with the Krussel.
I personnally bought it from a french web-shop called Kabiloo (excellent service, I'd recommend: www.kabiloo.com), for 25 €. But I saw it on many other european web-shops, such as expansys: http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=127398 . I didn't find any hungarian resellers though...
HTH
hi, this sounds great!!
i checked out the links. isn't this krusell the same as here: http://www.addonsworld.co.uk/product.php/28415/3340/
i've actually been considering the addonsworld one, but had no idea it included the keyboard cover!
so do you think it is the same? i'm going to order this from there then, they will ship here.. and expansys says not in stock.. (availability 7 days.. sure.. i don't trust expansys )
thanks again, you helped a lot i was really uncomfortable not being able to decide which case to get.. but i liked the krusell one the best even before reading your post.
Hehe, yep, that's te one I was indeed talking about.
It's probably not as "classy" as a NoReve, for sure, but it clearly is IMHO the most practical, with the best quality / price, I've seen around.
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Hehe, yep, that's te one I was indeed talking about.
It's probably not as "classy" as a NoReve, for sure, but it clearly is IMHO the most practical, with the best quality / price, I've seen around.
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hehe, cool, thanks, i've ordered it immediately. hope i can tell about my experiences soon!
i didn't like the noreve one so much... it looked ok but not so practical for my usage. still, better than the pdair stuff. except for their metal case (at pdair), i've seen the metal version just today, and it looks excellent, my only complaint was its huge size. (and no keyboard protection..) other than that it is indeed very usable and feels robust. so its biggest advantage is that you don't have to be afraid of dropping your 1000EUR universal but i just found it too big.. so there's hoping the krusell will fit my needs perfectly
Nice move. For its price, it's a bargain, IMHO. You won't regret.
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Nice move. For its price, it's a bargain, IMHO. You won't regret.
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yeah i buy stuff on the spur of the moment (same for the qtek 9000 itself :wink: ) hope you'll prove right. 8)
A word of WARNING
Hi,
here is a real nightmare story.....with a happy ending. I bought a Sony Ericsson P900 and loved the belt pouch that came with it.It clipped onto my belt and it was great.
Then the day after I paid over 600 euro for my phone I went into a supermarket for a browse around and proceeded to look at some boots which were on display in large metal creels. I had to lean over the side to pick up some for a closer look.
Later as I left the store something which had registered in my subconscious finally made it to the conscious and I reached for my phone........it was not there. I freaked. I retraced my steps in the store frantically looking for the phone, but no joy it was gone.
I borrowed someone elses phone and tried ringing it but the background noise was high and and I could not hear it.Ater an hour searching I gave up and left the store....devistated.
When I git to the car I just had to go back and take one last look, by now an hour had passed and the store was very busy. I went back to where the boots were and started looking through them again......and BINGO, there it was. I put the phone in my pocket for the journey home.
DONT USE A CASE THAT CLIPS ONTO YOUR BELT......GET ONE THAT HAS A PERMANENT BELT LOOP SO THAT IT CAN ONLY BE TAKEN OFF BY OPENING THE BELT BUCKEL. I got away with it, but it could have been a very costly lesson.
Shirt pocket
I like my phone in my shirt pocket. That way I can get to it easily, and put it back, and even hear it ring. No falling off my belt, no getting caught on things I'm walking by (I get my pockets caught on things occasionally; a phone sticking out is out of the question), no having it fall off into a boot, no crushing it in jeans pockets. This has a really big downside - it falls out any time I bend over and if I ever have to run I have to hold it in my pocket.
With my previous phone, a Treo, I bought egrips and those held it securely in a pocket. But egrips won't stick to an MDA, it is too slick. They come off after a few weeks of use.
So I attached a neck strap from a sandisk USB flash drive and put that around my neck. This saved it from falling into an aquarium just today. I can use the phone well, it is long enough. Occasionally it gets wrapped in the shoulder harness. It looks dorky, my wife thinks. Wait until she sees the Hello Kitty neck strap I've been eyeing.
Why does a USB flash drive come with a neck strap, anyway? Who wears a USB flash drive around their neck? And when will someone build a USB drive that fits in my wallet? The Cruzer almost does, but not quite.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/12649.htm
and is it any good ?
thx
c.
These leather cases seem ok but the one I have just leaves tiny bits of material all over the Orbit screen....anyone know of a simple pouch for the Orbit?
Don't mean to hijack the thread but anyone have one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/leather-case...0QQihZ012QQcategoryZ48673QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks to be designed specifically for O2 but I want to know if someone recognises it as a proper Artemis case and not some other model's case that just happens to fit. (ie is it a dedicated P3300 case that will have a perfect fit?)
looks like a generic. problem with sleeve cases is that you need to take the phone out to do anything. so unless its top quality you can get scratches and smears over time.
Just got the PDAair flip case (for my orbit). Its quite nice as it protects the screen and trackball without actually touching either. However it holds the orbit extremely tightly, have to struggle to take it out (although I mostly keep it in).
this looks like the best quality one:
http://www.pielframa.net/pielframa_productos.asp?id=1690
buts it pricey. I'll see how my Pdaair is after a month .....
yarstoft said:
These leather cases seem ok but the one I have just leaves tiny bits of material all over the Orbit screen....anyone know of a simple pouch for the Orbit?
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im using my 80gb ipod pouch until my case arrives! fits perfectly
Now got the pdair black metal case! its fantastic as the screen is protected.
One problem is you can't get the stylus out if you have an orbit, but a small amount of cutting with a hacksaw should sort that out
I got this case from ebay yesterday, seems very good....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PDAIR-XDA-ORB...hZ002QQcategoryZ48673QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
It works very well, all functions accessible, is fairly bulky although and wont sit in car holder very well, however i believe a car holder is available which uses the round clip that comes with the case....
Dan
Has anybody used this case? Can you comment please?
I'm trying to decide between this Krusell case and the Piel Frama one.
Frankly, I prefer the look of the Pier Frama (from web pics), but the design and funtionality of the Krusell is where my heart is tending towards (plus, it is not lacking in the looks department too, it seems).
Comments from existing users should help sort me out.
See links to both cases here:
http://www.krusell.se/product.php?productID=2380&category=51
http://www.pielframa.net/pielframa_productos.asp?id=1684
Thanks.
Krussel should be nicer than they are, but Piel Frama was also dissappointing! I've had both, and the Krussel, while still being a "quality product" annoyed the hell out of me, while the Piel Frama was simple, it was never that slim. Both cases are too bulky IMO, they offer protection, but ruin the light weight ease of function that the orbit has... Your best bet is one of the many skin cases on the market.
Thanks BigKuri. Could you then suggest a good "skin" case? I'm very particular about device protection because I sometimes drop my phone. At the price point of the Artemis Premium, I really need protection.
While we are at it, can you tell me which was bulkier of the Krusell and the Piel Frama? Was the difference significant? Could either of them sit in a trouser pocket?
Thanks once again.
I have the Krusell case, I really like it, looks great and feels really well made - I don't find it too bulky - but then I have just changed from an XDA 2i so the orbit in a krusell case is still very much smaller. I would happily get another Krusell case.
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I have the Krusell case, I really like it, looks great and feels really well made - I don't find it too bulky - but then I have just changed from an XDA 2i so the orbit in a krusell case is still very much smaller. I would happily get another Krusell case.
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smcaul, thanks. But, does the Krusell case fit in your trouser pocket without an ugly buldge?
Is that a Krusell in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
bdangol said:
Is that a Krusell in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
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Ha ha. Not quite what I meant bdangol, but I would like to know if it does cause so much of a bulge.
time to be constructive.
I don't like any of the leather cases because they make the phone so big. get a nice skin or hard clear plastic case. Ok they don't have pockets for memory cards and stuff but with it being such a hassle to put cards in and out of the Artemis I could not be bothered any way.
Krussell
The first thing I did when I put my Krussell case on was drop the bleedin phone, but due to the sturdy build of the case, and despite dropping everything onto a rough concrete surface; not a mark on the phone or case - so decision made, the phone stays in the Krussell till someone prises it from my cold dead hands, or I sell it all on ebay, which ever comes soonest...bulky or not - job done!
you could buy a vintage red telephone box and put a personal computer in it and a camera. if you drop that.....hell you cant even pick it up
I've got a Piel Frama and it's very nice, but I can't carry credit cards with me. Does the Krusell case take a credit card or two in the flap? The last one I had for a Hermes took 3 cards...
Yes it does, and spaces for two full sized SD cards for some reason, but handy for an adaptor at least.
I bought a Krussel case a few weeks ago and mean to do a write up now I have had it for long enough to spot the pros and cons.
I'm using this Krusell case as well, so maybe a mini-review in few words:
It makes artemis more chubby, yes. But also makes me less worried about scratching, dropping, stepping on, whatever elese, on my pda. It's nice, black&beige shining armor Another good functionality - camera lens is hidden, no worry about scratching it. And at last - if you want flip the top (to attach Krusell logo to magnet) make sure you deattach your swivel from multidapt cradle or you'll have very bad scar on top.
Hi,
I like the Krusell orbit leather case in combination with the windshield holder. A real perfect combination. Krusell is also cheaper than Piel.
Regards,
Daantje
I use the Krussell case and clip it on to my belt. I also purchased the Krussell bicycle mount and put my XDA Orbit on my handlebars running TomTom if need to calcuate a fast route or am biking somewhere new. Overall, I'm pretty pleased with it. The Krussell case I had for my XDA Exec (HTC Universal) was nowhere near as good quality as this one. My only complaint is that the fastening flap goes directly over the USB mini-port, making headset use fiddly but possible.
Krusell Case for "Orbit"
Very nice case but the Belt clip came off on mine after a few weeks, now have to use the belt loops, OK but inconvenient to remove case. My "biggest gripe" is that it's a bit "big" for my Orbit so I would shop around a bit more & let me know if you find a better fit!