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Hi folks,
I was interested in upgrading to WM5.0 from WM2003 on my SPV M2000 (=XDA 2???I'm told it's a blue angel...). However since I've come here i've got the impression that it could be riddled with problems. I'm a total n00b and I've been overwhelmed with different ROM versions and fixes....I wondered if you folks could help me a bit.
Is it worthwhile to upgrade? What has your experience been?
Will old WM2003 programs work on WM5.0 (I have loads of them)
Are there any bugs I should know about or will everything run smooth?
What are the disadvantages?
How do I go about upgrading? I upgraded my ROM once before using an update released by Orange. But the .exe file did it all for me. All I had to do was connect the device via the cradle and click next (pretty much).
Cheers folks! Much appreciated.
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SPVM2000owner
6 posts since Mar '06
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:03
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PS - is this the correct forum? (I'm guessing SPVM2000 is a hymalaya)
PPS - sorry if some of these questions have come up before. I'm sure a few of them must - I checked as best I could but I'm a total n00b and I'm dyslexic which doesn't make post plodding easy.
Thanks again!
help please! Some of you guys must have some ideas or thoughts that might help me!
Like you I also have an SPV M2000 (yes it is also known as the Blue Angel), and I am still running WM2003, I have done a few ROM upgrades etc so have a very basic understanding but even so am still holding back on upgrading to WM5, my main reason is that my phone is for work, and so need it to be reliable. saying that it sounds like that they have done some fantastic work porting WM5 onto the Blue Angel and one day I look forward to running it (which may be very soon).
Sounds like to me though before making your decision you should read this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27614
And this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42632
And I REALLY hope you have read the Wiki page which is here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM5_Home
As with any upgrade there is a chance you will turn your device into a brick, so you need to read thorugh all the previous posts, there is a search tool to allow you to search the forum (USE IT!), I am sure people here would love to help you but have a bit of respect and search the forum first, I expect every question you could think of has been answered before.
Somewhere there is a list of software that has been tested on WM5, cant be bothered to search for it, but I have seen a post on the forum somewhere!
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Sorry didn't read the bottom part of you post, that will teach me!! Hope the links I have given you get you started though!!!
Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.
starik said:
Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.
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I agree! It's just to damn buggy.
But i would be SOO appreciative if someone knowledgeable would recommend what they think is the best ROM for my usage.
First of all, i want to say that i recognize the time and the effort that many of you put into these devices. I think it's brilliant to see what CAN be done with what used to be called a phone; but at some point it does boggle my mind a bit when i see how much resources is out there.
Don't get me wrong, I am not lazy, and i have probably spent a good 10-15 hrs reading on here (in the past few days!) and seen over 200 pages of thread, but the amount of information is INCREDIBLY overwhelming for someone who doesn't have his thumb to the ground like some of you geniuses
Right now i have installed Radio 1.54.07.00 and VP3G's 3.62.3 (Full) and things are running slower than I'd like. Not sure if i need to take some things off, or go with the light version, but i need to change something.
Basically my main interest is functionality, speed and responsiveness. I won't use most of the fancy apps out there. Really the 4 real things i want this phone to do is:
1. work well as a phone (signal and sound etc)
2. a web browser (i do a LOT of that)
3. as my GPS device - I use Garmin Mobile software with a BT reciever...also a LOT)
4. Have a good battery life, as i am always running low.
2 other apps i will also use are slingplayer mobile and MS Voice Command. Other than that, i won't use Office much or PDF's, won't stream music or anything. I just want my phone to be responsive and not drop calls and be able to manage things with the GPS software running.
If someone would suggest something (or even just name a few that are in my arena) that might work well for me i would be VERY appreciative. While i love researching what is out there, I am just not the type that will flash 5-10 ROMS to test them all and keep flashing. If i find one that is good for me i will probably stick with it for a while. So might as well get an expert oppinion on what is best for ME...
Thanks so much to all you guys for the help.
look for Schap's ROM, the best one so far is 4.31
subjective opinion
the reason the question is hated, is that it has no answer, and sparks a great deal of debate from all camps.
That said, you sound like your device usage is similar to mine. After loading up over and over again, I keep stripping my device down to get the usability I want and still have the ability to do other stuff if I choose.
First off, change your radio to 1.47.30.whatever.the.hell.it.is. Its fast, clean, good reception, and appears to have the best battery life. Noone can say for sure that the 1.5x radio roms are problematic, but there is a trend among many users. 1.47.30 is an accepted best choice for many.
Secondly- until the latest 6.1 19202 build is worked over by a few more people I trust, I'd stick with a top-notch lite ROM.
Right now I've got Faria's R-32 Lite. It's the best one I've had yet. I have enough free RAM to run Garmin, Pocket CM and other programs at the same time. A lot of free storage, and fast as the blazes. stable so far too, I was on R-32 full, but lite is probably a better choice for most users.
BE SURE TO FLASH AT&T OFFICIAL 6.0 ROM FIRST!! I don't know why or how, but it makes all the difference in the world. Not 1 single hard reset or lockup since I did this.
Only my opinion, but as valid as anyone elses, except YOURS.
Good luck,
Nanastas, thank you SO much for that info. I am going to try all of your suggestions and am currently downloading all the things i need right now. It's frustrating when you are having problems and aren't exactly sure why, and unless you have been here on these boards, you really don't know what all the latest benchmark tactics are, like flashing the official ROM first. I can't wait to try it and see if that gets me up running better than i am now. Will report back later and let you know how it goes. Thanks again!
Before everybody gets all peeved at me for this, I've done my research, and I've done my homework and PLENTY of searches. Here's the deal.
I recently purchased a Tilt (and am waiting for the damn AT&T WM 6.1 upgrade), and I gave my brother my old 8525. His needs are pretty basic...AIM, txts, email, internet, and GPS (I gave him my external and set him up w/ TT7). He's more of a intermediate user than a beginner, but I would like to keep it very simple for him. What would be the best rom for his 8525 (preferably WM 6.1) that would be the easiest to use, and of course the fastest. He doesn't need any extra bloatware or anything. I'm a pretty advanced user myself, so I can help him out as much as possible.
Also, any recommendations for me? I'm sick of waiting for AT&T's 6.1 upgrade. I was thinking about flashing the Tytn II rom on there but IDK.
Thanks, and try not to flame too bad.
Don't wait for the upgrade; it'll be crappy anyways. Flash to one of the custom ROMs here and you cetrainly wont regret it.
kareem9nba said:
Don't wait for the upgrade; it'll be crappy anyways. Flash to one of the custom ROMs here and you cetrainly wont regret it.
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That's what I was thinking. Which 6.1 ROM would you suggest for my Tilt? I want speed and power/performance. I can install all the custom apps myself (I would prefer too). I'm still running AT&T's bloat'ed 6.0 ROM
As far as the 8525, which 6.1 ROM would you suggest for him? Speed and performance. Again, I can install all the custom apps myself.
try a lite rom dvh, crc, and/or pdacorner wm6.1 for hermes.
check the tilt forum section for their cooked wm6.1's...
happy flashing!
well
let me know how you get on, the tilt will be my next phone, kaiser with video calling that is, as i believe it is still reasonably new release, with known issues hopefully the doctors here have already ironed out.
However as people here been saying, let the fun begin by flashing, make sure you read the wiki thoroughly before you do so.
MineralGray02K said:
Before everybody gets all peeved at me for this, I've done my research, and I've done my homework and PLENTY of searches. Here's the deal.
I recently purchased a Tilt (and am waiting for the damn AT&T WM 6.1 upgrade), and I gave my brother my old 8525. His needs are pretty basic...AIM, txts, email, internet, and GPS (I gave him my external and set him up w/ TT7). He's more of a intermediate user than a beginner, but I would like to keep it very simple for him. What would be the best rom for his 8525 (preferably WM 6.1) that would be the easiest to use, and of course the fastest. He doesn't need any extra bloatware or anything. I'm a pretty advanced user myself, so I can help him out as much as possible.
Also, any recommendations for me? I'm sick of waiting for AT&T's 6.1 upgrade. I was thinking about flashing the Tytn II rom on there but IDK.
Thanks, and try not to flame too bad.
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I would try CRC's 12.9 Naked Bigstorage for him, making sure to flash a shipped from first (don't want any nasty HR's).
I find my WM gets faster the longer I let it sit on the phone, and dam is my phone fast now
And for Tilt, Im not sure, best to read up, some have better performance than others, with the Direct 3D drivers ect.
Just got rid of my samsung i760 and went to the xv6900. On my 760 I had wm6.1 which was nice with the threaded sms.
I am looking to upgrade however I can't seem to find one decent thing about it. I mean theres tons of hacks for this thing but I am unsure on what unlocker to use and what rom to flash. 6.1 would be nice, rev A, GPS big plus so I can use live search... even tho I just purchased a nice bluetooth gps reciever last month for the 760.
So let me hear your thoughts on what I should be doing.
Heck the 760 had right on samsung site 6.1 download.
If there is a simple 6.1 upgrade that is fine if someone can point me in the right direction that won't be hacking anything for the time being until I can do my research on all this stuff.
verizon
You need to search before you post. You wont get replies on generic subjects that you can easily find by doing some research. Folks are great to help if you help yourself first. So do some research here and on ppc geeks.
The phone is the "touch". There are unlockers and aps if you want to deviate from the custom rom. there are clear instructions and the pioneers have worked out many of the bugs. be sure to use the verizon hacks not the sprint ones.
There are also a boatload of aps that work with the std rom.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
has a bunch of aps that work with std rom.
have fun
I've been on some other forums wondering what phone to buy, and it seems the tilt2 is the best for me. That being said, I'm not totally sold on it. For you people who've had it long enough, would you recommend it? I'm committed to learning about the best ROM to install over it, so I'm going to try to get away from as many freezes as possible. Of course, I was recommended to *this* wonderful site!
Does anyone have a good place to start for learning on here? There's a freakton of information on here, and I have no problem reading through lots of info, but I don't know where to start!
I would be much appreciative. Thanks!
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Yes!
Go and get it!!
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device to this date!
I´m very happy with mine
This is my 3rd HTC device. With my big fingers, a hardware keyboard is a MUST. The Tilt had a good keyboard, the Fuze had a better keyboard, the Tilt2 has the best keyboard for someone like me. And now that I have to have bifocal glasses , the larger screen is MUCH appreciated.
I say get it as well. I had the Fuze, AT&T's version of the original Touch Pro, for a week and hated it. I just got a Tilt 2 and it's a much better device. I've been using it for a few days and haven't noticed any freezing or bad lag. I've loaded a few programs and done a few registry tweaks and so far I've been very happy with the results. Slingplayer Mobile looks great on this device and I get GPS locks in seconds in both Google Maps and Bing Mobile. The touch screen is very responsive and TouchFlo 3D has really improved in a year. I noticed some complaints about the Widcomm Bluetooth stack but the phone paired right away with my Motorola headset and the handsfree system in my Acura RL and has worked flawlessly with both.
I plan on deleting as many of the stock bloatware programs as I can to free up some memory, but so far the stock AT&T ROM has been fine. The keyboard is awesome - I don't mind having the symbols in the top row as I seem to use them more when typing emails. This is a really nice device.
So what's the favorite ROM around here? Might be a week (or a few evne) before I pick this up, and I want to make sure I have my technology down so I don't keep on flashing.
I have a Motorola Q9h at the moment.... it's what got me hooked on windows mobile. I couldn't believe that I could actually edit the registry! So yeah, I'm all about tweaks, but I remember my first couple weeks and I was all over the place trying to find all the tweaks I needed.
I'm hoping to go into this next move prepared.
My advice is this - make sure you try the phone out first. Try to have a conversation in a moderately noisy environment and see if you can hear the other person, even with the volume on full.
Loud enough for you? If so, then get the phone. Everything else about it is awesome.
If not loud enough, forget it, find a different phone made by a company who doesn't assume all their customers have bionic ears. It will drive you crazy and frustrate you every phone call, and there is no fix.
The best rom for me which is closest to stock as possible is here. I currently have been running for about a month and this is stable and great. Very close to the ATT stock rom.
It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!
Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!
Phrozt said:
Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!
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I'm happy I could help
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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The OP was interested in information concerning cooked ROMs, and where a good place to start would be. I figured that they'd want to know the process of installing one since they were inquiring about which one they should flash, and I thought that link would be a good place to start (when concerning ROMs). It's not like they have to flash one just because I linked there, and if they'd seen the instructions already there's no harm, so I thought I was being helpful by posting a useful related link. IMO there's nothing wrong with using a device out of the box (I did for ~1 year), but the OP requested more info on ROMs and I simply gave it to them.
I've had my Tilt 2, for 2 weeks.
And I LOVE IT !!!
And i'm already a flashing whore ..........
khaytsus said:
Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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Yeah, I've been using WM for 2 years now on my motorola q9h. The tweaking aspect is the reason I *want* to stay w/WM... and I was definitely looking for exactly what dave posted!
Also, as I indicated in a few posts, I want to know as much as I can before actually getting the phone so I can flash it, tweak it, set it up how I want it, and then not touch it so that I can keep a stable environment. I don't want to lose my messages and things...
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And i'm already a flashing whore ..........
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Let's leave your mom out of this
(I'm sorry, I have a chronic condition involving mom jokes)
well.... I just picked up the tilt 2 . it's pretty cool so far but I do notice all the lag people have been talking about... will prolly just take some getting used to.
My advice would be to try and get the out-of-the-box system working, install a few apps / shells / tweaks, figure out what's important to you and then flash. Pretty much any stock rom will be lag-free or lag-minimal. There's a lot of good ROMs / chefs out there. Flashing several will definitely whet your appetite.
~Eric
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
Phrozt said:
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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I rarely reset my phone for freezing issues, especially on sense 2.1 ROMs. Sense 2.5 ROMs maybe once a week at most. At the end of the day to get a phone that more closely functions how you want it to, a custom ROM is the way to go.
I will say the most stable release I ever used was the stock VZW 6.1 TF3D 2.0. I could run that thing for weeks and still idle at 49%.
Phrozt said:
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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There's a couple of things that should be done with all new TP2's to help reduce memory hogging and help performance in general:
First, run the first two cabs below. One switches off push internet for a big resource savings. The other one switches on dynamic memory allocation, which does a much better job of freeing up memory when apps aren't using it.
Next, run the Advanced Config cab below...it's a utility that gives you access to all sorts of deeper-level settings in the phone. When you run it, navigate to the "power management" section, and make the first 7 entries there set to "enabled (advised)"
Do a soft-reset after these, and you should see a significant reduction in memory use and lock-ups.
Lastly, use the Crud Scraper attached below...copy it to your SD card and just run the .exe from there (not your PC). It allows you to uninstall a fair amount of the bloat AT&T was generous enough to include on the phone
Some pretty good advice in this thread for new users. I've been playing with WM since well before it was WM and I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience with it, that is until i moved from the kaiser to the tilt2. I was ready to chunk it and get something else but decided to flash a few roms first. Not expecting much i was surprised by the significant performance improvements and overall appeal the device gained over the stock At&t rom.
My advice, I woudl only try "fixing" the issues with teh stock rom if you are absolutley stuck with it. if you are not stuck using the AT&T rom for some reason flash one, there are several good ones out there and all of them seem to be an improvement over the At&t rom in terms of stability and performance.