Hi,
I've been trying out different Artemis Touch versions.
I am wondering whether 'junk' files get left on my XDA Orbit when installing a new ROM.
(The usual 'step 1 (uspl cid unlocking) then step 2 (flash rom)'.
On my original XDA1 and 2 the reloading of Rom took much longer but seemed to completely erase the XDA.
On the XDA Orbut, loading the superb new Touch Roms, the reloading is very quick, but I do not think it erases everything.
Am I right, and is there any opinion / advice Forum members might give?
Thanks
A
IMHO doing a reflash of the ROM erases totally the ROM back to "like new" it doesn't clear your memory card though.
If you flash a cooked ROM some "trash" can stay in your ROM but that's not bad. A ROM usually consists of several parts, the operating system, radio rom, extended ROM and some other things people usually don't talk about a lot here.
Having those old radio ROMs and other things on your device does usually no harm at all to your device. I change my "os-rom" every now and then, but that's it since my radio version is up to date. When you get an update by your operator it includes all ROM-parts and overwrites everything that was left.
Thanks Guys!
Zero Status
If you wish to ga back to zero limit, just flash "ship ROM" after you formatted the SD card, then flash the cooked ROM.
almozaffar said:
If you wish to ga back to zero limit, just flash "ship ROM" after you formatted the SD card, then flash the cooked ROM.
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could you explain that a little better , i.e. in layman terms please ))
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I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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The only problem here, is that I remove the radio from my stock rom before flashing, and I have had no HR or freezing problems.
Edit: Though.. atm, a single rom flash doesn't last much more than a day...
interesting thread
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.
zocster said:
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.
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I'm from Mars m8
NEVER FLASH RADIO WITH CUSTOM ROMS TOGETHER
ONLY RADIO
ONLY CUSTOM OS
OR RADIO WITH OS FROM ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1 ON mars
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ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1
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there's no official shipped wm6.1 for hermes as i know
I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now
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I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now
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Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?
veyka said:
Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?
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Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.
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Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.
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Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)
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Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)
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It wasnt until recently that I experienced any hard reset issues with any of the ROMs here, i noticed that leading up to a Hard Reset or freeze at the boot screen things such as file operations and running programs seemed to fail...with access denied errors and etc..
Also programs failed to save registry data aswell, coreplayer repeatedly asked for the activation key (which ofcourse ive got).
Leading me to believe that the storage portion of the OS was not working correctly...and since thats the part we have (pardon the term) misused )) then perhaps a reflash to the old configuration to give the storage area a flat format would do the trikc...which it did.
So its definatly advised, even if you havent experienced the issues, to one in a while before you flash a new ROM, flash an official ROM which uses and ext_rom aswell to give it a quick clean out.
lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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OK I FOUND IT WHAT YOU MEAN THE TOOL FOR IT IS htcRIE_0.4.0.49.exe as it opens the original ROM deletes ipl spl gsm and saves new orig rom with the order off flashing - splash splash extrom os
Alright guys, I did quite a bit of research. Basically all roms before 6.5.1 flash just fine. But, only a very select few with 6.5.1 and the newest manilla, seem to flash with error. This is all just so odd.
You name it, I have tried it. On two pc's, and flashing from the microSD card, and yes I formatted the card to FAT32 first.
Flashing from the pc and microSD card always results precisely the same with every rom. This tells me that there is absolutely no doubt that it is, the phone itself...
I flashed the first version of HARDspl, both manual and automatic, and did the same with the latest version of hardspl. I have tried more combination's of roms and radios than I can even recall.
After some researching of the, flash error code 226, I read more than a few people stating that similar problems were the result of an inability to write to the Extended ROM in the phones flash memory. I guess its also called ExtROM.
This made sense to me because ALL of the rom flashes that fail, do so in the last 94-99%. This obviously tells me that the error is in the last bit of info attempting to be written to the device.
Basically I am stuck. No idea how to flash the newer roms, specifically the EnergyROMS.
Help?
Does anyone have any advice?
Okay this is weird. I can flash any newer rom that has TF3D 2.1 but only a select few that have 2.5xx. Weird right?
Seriously? No one has any advice for me? I am really held back by this, I love this forum and I love trying new roms.
I guess I have covered all bases and no one knows what to say...
It seems like a portion of my TP2's primary partition is damaged somehow...
I dont know how to rewrite over that, I have tried two different T-Mobile stock roms with their appropriate radios. I always do a hard reset after every flash.
Any input please? Even if you have no advice just some response would be great, thanks.
Recently acquired a used 8525 and have been checking out tons of custom ROMS but today my phone locked up and wouldn't do anything. I am flashed to 2.10 HardSPL and was running the stock "like" 6.5 ROM on the front page of the Hermes forum. Phone would start up but locked up at the first HTC splash screen. I tried resetting and removing the battery but it would hang at the same spot. I flashed to a different ROM and everything seems OK. The 6.5ROM ran fine for a few days when it was installed. Is it possible to damage the internal memory by flashing and reflashing constantly or is the issue more than likely a software problem?
You need to flash the at&t stripped rom between those custom roms. That will "straighten out" any odd memory issues like what your experiencing.
And I'm guessing it would take several thousand (or more) rewrites of the memory to mess it up. Probably similar to compact flash, or a thumb drive. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable ones around here know.
Thanks for the info. Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
Yup! And it seems just flashing the at&t stripped rom seems to be fine, no need to let it go through setup and all of that. I generally wait for it to get to the "tap here" screen, then go into boot loader and reflash.
I'm having the same issue one my 8525.
I can't do ANYTHING because my phone is stuck saying smart mobility.
And, a black screen.
How do I....
Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
I've downloaded your stripped AT&T room... now what? I dont know about bootloader
Ok. It looks like I finally have SOMETHING other than that screen.
I just did a hard reset.
Is there anything I should do BEFORE this happens again?
Install Hard SPL V7 if you get to the today screen... Go to here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
page 116, post 1160 to use the sd card method...
This should make it easier to recover your Hermes if something goes wrong.
Cheers...
SD card MUST be 2Gb or less and formatted FAT32. Check your spelling - hermimg.nbh...
I'm fully functioning now... I have installed HARD SPL before.. do I re do it?
Or, what?
all is working normal now
Nah, once it's there, there is no need to redo it. It will stick between flashings.
I've seen people say to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked one - why? Surely all the data from the last ROM is overwritten by the cooked ROM anyway, isn't it?
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I've seen people say to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked one - why? Surely all the data from the last ROM is overwritten by the cooked ROM anyway, isn't it?
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I'm not sure about the TP2 but on the hermes it was always recommended for going from an extended storage rom to a normal rom. Might have just carried over since then.
Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.
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Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.[/QUOTE
If custom ROM without radio You should flash stock ROM first(if you would like to have it)
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petard said:
Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.
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Not a myth, at least to some devices like the diamond, HD and the HD2 where members who decide to skip this step are finding themselves with very unstable devices that often turn off or restart on there own.
Flashing a stock rom or using the mtty tool erasers any artifacts that can be left behind when flashing cooked roms.
Flashing Procedures I use:
• flash stock rom or mtty tool found in sig.
• flash cooked rom
• hard reset twice
Never had any issues from automatic resetting of any kind!
ive been flashing since the wizard, and probably after 20 phones ive never flashed stock rom first. i actually stop hard resetting to.
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ive been flashing since the wizard, and probably after 20 phones ive never flashed stock rom first. i actually stop hard resetting to.
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As mentioned, some devices are more prone to it perhaps. There are a lot of threads that speak to members dealing with device resetting and other glitches and the remedy recommended is always the same.
For me, it's just habit now....
Only do this as a last ditch effort. Say u flash a custom rom, hard reset as u should, then configure the rom. But u seem to be getting odd screen freezes and problems that only u seem to get and not anyone else for that particular rom. U go into the thread of the rom asking and everyone says its just u. Well at this point u would flash stock rom, hard reset, flash same custom rom, hard reset, now the custom rom works perfect! Why? How th hell should i know? I just know what works!
I think that flashing a whole stock ROM each time is a bit over the top. If you want to be on the safe side, then do a hard reset on your old ROM, then flash the new ROM, then hard reset again. That should do as much as flashing the stock ROM would do.
I think main the benefit is because the CustomRUU doesn't perform a Hard Reset after flashing, where as the Stock RUU does.
Some people prefer to do a "task 29" nand format. Unless you've been flashing dodgy ROMs that go outside of where they are meant to then I think you'll be OK.
JM2c's
Dave
DaveShaw is the man so take his advice.
I have flashed over 40 ROMs (all from XDA or HTC) on my TP2 and I never flash back to stock. I have had no issues. I also did the same with my Tilt1.
Hi all,
Please can you help me with the end questions, a quick background of what i've done so far.
I have been a member of Modaco for a while and used to own a Orange San Francisco, first android phone. I learnt a bit with that i.e rooting and updating to Paul's modaco rom's, market apps etc.
I have since bought a HTC desire and joined XDA which is a (superb forum), I'm really happy with my desire its on O2 contact and is the white newer version.
I was really confused with regards to rooting as the bootloader was high 0.93 so couldnt use some methods but newer posts showed that it was as easy as downloading unrevoked. Again had some problems rooting, realised that HTC sync must be installed first and then removed otherwise unrevoked will not pick up your phone.
Unrevoked rooted and installed Clockwork recovery, I then read about Amron Ra which is apparently more stable than Clockwork when installing Rom's, some posts suggested installing Rom manager and using flash recovery option, then alternative flash option in Rom manager to install AmonRa. So I installed Rom Manager it installed a newer version of Clockwork but when I then went to install alternative flash this option was blanked and not available.
After reading again I learnt I could flash Amron ra with unrevoked 3.0, you must go to file and custom recovery then find Amron Ra the version i installed was
recovery-RA-desire-v2.0.0-CM.img, I think this is the latest?.
Unrevoked went through the process, but stopped (oh no i thought this is going to get bricked) luckily everything was ok, after reading again I learnt that once rooted if your using unrevoked again its best to factory reset, so I backed everything up using Clockwork and made my first nand backup, I also packed up my installed apk's.
After factory reset, unrevoked did its magic and walla Amron Ra installed.
Now for the next step where I have some questions, unlike the orange san francisco the htc desire has loads of roms, some with sense (which i dont really know what is exactly yet) some froyo again what is froyo?, and some miui and some non sense.
So to a neebie where do you begin?
1. I have read about partitioning your sd card ext 2, 3 and 4, are these needed to use specific Roms and which ext do you need as it is very confusing?, I like the miui rom (MIUI XJ D2EXT X-PART 1.2.11) again there are 3 downloads there which should I download?
2. If the ext are needed must you have all 4 ext on a card and if so how much do you allocate for each if you have an 8gb card for example I read somewhere that the ext effects speed how can this be?
3. What are kernels I seem to be reading up about them a lot but no one really explains what they do, are they needed when installing a new Rom and can you mix and match different kernels with roms?.
4. Why is updating the radio on Rom's so important?, I see new roms then radio files must these be flashed?.
5. What is a dalvik cache clean is it the same as factory reset?
6. If I install a miui rom, which I'm interested in to start will there be any difficulties in later installing other sense or non sense roms and how do I go about avoiding these problems?.
7. What is the latest and best Miui rom available at the moment is it MIUI XJ D2EXT X-PART 1.2.11
These are all the questions for now, any help would be greatly appreciated at the moment I have a 4gb class 2 SD card but will be getting a 8gb class 6 in the next day or so, I mostly use the phone for texting, internet and sat nav.
Thanks a lot guys in advance.
All the best
Mav
You can refer to my answers over on MoDaCo
Wow, you have made quite a novel here
Half of your questions are answered TBH in the forums, so you should serach next time.
Okay
1.Which ext do you need? It will be 3 or 4, but every ROM thread specifies what do you need for it.
2. Of course you need all ext partitions on the SD Card. Again, there are ROM threads which specifies the size of the partitions. But usually look slike this:
* A2SD - Fat + Ext3/4, 0.5-1.5GB recommended.
* D2WE - Fat + Ext3/4, 1-1.5GB recommended.
* D2EXT - Fat + Ext4 + Ext4 + Swap (fat+1GB+0.3GB+0.1GB)
Can differ tough.
3.About the Kernels.
Tou can mix, but AOSP ROM with AOSP Kernel, Sense with Sense kernel. It is a chance that it will work otherwise, but will be buggy or phone won't boot.
4.If the ROM has new RIL (Radio interface layer) preinstalled, it is recommended to use a newer radios. Altough 5.11 version should work on every ROM.
5. No it is not.
dalvik cache is a program cache area for the program dalvik. Dalvik is a java based virtual machine that is the bases for running your programs (the ones that have the .apk extension). In order to make access times faster (because there's not JIT (just in time) compiler installed by default), the dalvik-cache is the result of dalvik doing a optimization of the running program. Sounds confusing. It's similar to the prefetch files in Windows.
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6. No problems should be - just do a full wipe (factory reset, wipe data, cache & dalvik).
7. Yeah, that is the latest version I know of.
Hope youll find the answers good enough
Thanks guys,
Just a bit confusing I would post to the author of the rom but at present haven't got enough posts.
Just a further quick questions, what do they mean by swap? and also there are 3 files to download xj, au, and dev, why 3 files and which is the best.
thanks
XJ, AU and DEV are 3 different builds by different authors so you'd need to check them all out
Here's a link to the MIUI-Dev website that you might wanna look at. It's quite quiet but obviously all MIUI
http://www.miui-dev.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?16-HTC-Desire-GSM
So EddyOS, I read somewhere on the modaco forum that you had miui installed at one point, if you had to put one on again which one would you use along with radio and kernel?.
I can see that you have loads of experience and i'll go with your recommendation I appreciate that it is a preference thing i mainly want something quickish, stable and cool looking (xj, au or dev?).
I like the miui because they look like an iphone but have an android feel so to speak so best of both worlds, im no iphone hater but it is over rated but icons look cool.
thanks
mav