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Problems with Radio flashing via SD-card

So I have problem, I updated rom from sd card, it worked nicely, but when I try to update Radio, sd flashing app freezes in 'Update in Progress' state, in about 10 percents.

It takes about 1/2 hour to flsh radio rom. DON'T interrupt the flash or you will get a brick...

I will try it to leave flashing for several hours even status is not moving..

ultramag69 said:
It takes about 1/2 hour to flsh radio rom. DON'T interrupt the flash or you will get a brick...
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I think what he is saying is if this happened the first time you tried flashing the radio you might have a brick at this point..

Best idea would be to try and flash shipped stock rom, you might get lucky and fluke it... WM06 from the carrier you originally had would be ok too as the radio might be able to be fixed but don't count on it...
Theres been limited success...
Good luck...

I managed to flash rom called Manilla 2d, sometimes I have no gsm message sometimes not, I tried to use mtty to access radioloader but there are always error message. It is possible to check physically(by opening case) if the radio stack is destroyed?

I installed WM5 via sd-card with radio rom, it was going really slowly, I thought it freezed again, but then finally it started moving, and finished instalation. Even now I cannot remember how many procedures I have done many different roms, radios, mtty procedures........ and finally radio works, wm works

Cool, glad to hear it.
Now would be a good time to flash Hard SPL V7. It can help you out of perilous situations. Please remember though, even though it worked this time round, it may not again. I personally DON'T flash the radio rom unless I REALLY have to. Either use cooked roms or edit the originals using Rom Koch. You can remove the rdio part and flash just the os.
Cheers...

ultramag69 said:
Cool, glad to hear it.
Now would be a good time to flash Hard SPL V7. It can help you out of perilous situations. Please remember though, even though it worked this time round, it may not again. I personally DON'T flash the radio rom unless I REALLY have to. Either use cooked roms or edit the originals using Rom Koch. You can remove the rdio part and flash just the os.
Cheers...
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Great advice there. Find a radio you like and stick with that. With the Hermes being end of line there, you won't see many if any new Radio's available. In my experience the best ones to date are either 1.47 or the 1.56 radio.

can anyone give me a radio.nbh??

my GSM module has something wrong,i think.when i flash 6.0.it was failed.when i flash 6.1 which without radio.nbh. it was successful.and then,first time boot up.sys must be reboot.OK,reboot.it stop in the secondsplash.it can connect pc with the activesync.but the phone screen is the secondsplash....i dont know why...pleaes help me..
thanks~~

I'm having almost the same problem. When booting, my phone gets stuck at the second splash screen every time. I tried reflashing numerous different ROMs, but I get the same problem every time. Occasionally, with a Dopod factory ROM, I get it to boot to the "no SIM" menu in Chinese, but after tapping through the menus, it just restarts and gets stuck at the 2nd splash screen. I searched all over the internet for various radio ROMs, but I can't find ones specific for the Cavalier. I tried some for different HTC WM6 phones, but it stops at 7% and tells me that the ROM isn't right for the device. I'd like to try a new radio ROM if I can, so if anybody has one, can you post it???

ttknf said:
I'm having almost the same problem. When booting, my phone gets stuck at the second splash screen every time. I tried reflashing numerous different ROMs, but I get the same problem every time. Occasionally, with a Dopod factory ROM, I get it to boot to the "no SIM" menu in Chinese, but after tapping through the menus, it just restarts and gets stuck at the 2nd splash screen. I searched all over the internet for various radio ROMs, but I can't find ones specific for the Cavalier. I tried some for different HTC WM6 phones, but it stops at 7% and tells me that the ROM isn't right for the device. I'd like to try a new radio ROM if I can, so if anybody has one, can you post it???
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I don't think this has to do with the radio. From my experience in testing out cooked ROMS and trying to cookm my own ROMS for the Cav, the filesystem is a bit temperamental with too many flashes. I have had to format my ROM filesystem half a dozen times to fix small glitches such as incomolete flashes and hard locks. I can throw together a radio ONLY update for you but I doubt it will fix anything. This post describes how to unbrick (or format you phone) but you will lose ALL of your data and do it at your own risk.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428589&highlight=brick

ookba said:
I don't think this has to do with the radio. From my experience in testing out cooked ROMS and trying to cookm my own ROMS for the Cav, the filesystem is a bit temperamental with too many flashes. I have had to format my ROM filesystem half a dozen times to fix small glitches such as incomolete flashes and hard locks. I can throw together a radio ONLY update for you but I doubt it will fix anything. This post describes how to unbrick (or format you phone) but you will lose ALL of your data and do it at your own risk.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428589&highlight=brick
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I've already followed this process with MTTY numerous times, it had no effect. Also, when I did info 8 and task 2a, there were no bad blocks to begin with. Is there something else that can be done w/MTTY to fix things? It'd be great if you could dump that radio.nbh onto this thread just to see if that'll fix things.

ttknf said:
I've already followed this process with MTTY numerous times, it had no effect. Also, when I did info 8 and task 2a, there were no bad blocks to begin with. Is there something else that can be done w/MTTY to fix things? It'd be great if you could dump that radio.nbh onto this thread just to see if that'll fix things.
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Here is the Radio (05_GSM.nb) in the nbh. It's the one from the Dopod shipped ROM but I checked the versions and the HTC one is the same version. Copy this nbh file to your ROM Update folder and flash away. Hard SPL is recommended. This is a straight radio dump and I am not responsible if you brick your phone.
Haven't uploaded yet, will upload shortly.

ookba said:
Here is the Radio (05_GSM.nb) in the nbh. It's the one from the Dopod shipped ROM but I checked the versions and the HTC one is the same version. Copy this nbh file to your ROM Update folder and flash away. Hard SPL is recommended. This is a straight radio dump and I am not responsible if you brick your phone.
Haven't uploaded yet, will upload shortly.
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Are you gonna upload that radio rom?

Troubleshoot this heh

I cannot flash ANY of the recent EnergyROMS and a majority of the recent ROM's available, this sucks!!!
The older ROM's, of all types flash just fine. This problem started with the newer ROM's *Everything above 23016*.
Or any of the recent ROM's that include the latest manilla.
I ALWAYS get a flash error at 94 or 99% and I have tried everything.
Booting into the WIN7 mode allowing drivers that aren't signed and using the alternate drivers. I tried both HardSPL's. Numerous RADIO's...
Changed USB ports. Attempted to flash from an entirely different PC with WINXP and have ALL the exact same flash errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even the official HTC ROM stops during flashing and resumes after an automatic restart. I guess they included some sort of special resuming feature with the latest official ROMS.
I have the phone functioning with the latest official ROM but I do NOT like feeling so restricted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Help!

Try flashing direct from the SD Card
Might be worth a try, if the PC flash isn't working.
I've had similar problems with Win 7 but the SD method has never failed me

It's possible your USB ports are faulty or the cable, try flashing via SD card as suggested.
Dave

Tried that as well with the same results...
Older ROMs flash and newer ones don't. I have also tried numerous cables and USB ports on two different pc's with WinXP and Win7

I cannot think of any logical reason for this. SD card flashing is not affected by your PC's OS.
Dave

Help?
Alright guys, I did quite a bit of research. Basically all roms before 6.5.1 flash just fine. But, only a very select few with 6.5.1 and the newest manilla, seem to flash with error. This is all just so odd.
You name it, I have tried it. On two pc's, and flashing from the microSD card, and yes I formatted the card to FAT32 first.
Flashing from the pc and microSD card always results precisely the same with every rom. This tells me that there is absolutely no doubt that it is, the phone itself...
I flashed the first version of HARDspl, both manual and automatic, and did the same with the latest version of hardspl. I have tried more combination's of roms and radios than I can even recall.
After some researching of the, flash error code 226, I read more than a few people stating that similar problems were the result of an inability to write to the Extended ROM in the phones flash memory. I guess its also called ExtROM.
This made sense to me because ALL of the rom flashes that fail, do so in the last 94-99%. This obviously tells me that the error is in the last bit of info attempting to be written to the device.
Basically I am stuck. No idea how to flash the newer roms, specifically the EnergyROMS.
Help?

im having a problem with the new energy roms as well. i flashed the nov. 8 21864 though my sd card. it flashed successfully but after it resets the tp2 logo shows and then a white screen with the numbers on the bottom that always pop up. the screen stays frozen there. any suggestions on what the problem might be

robertwind89 said:
im having a problem with the new energy roms as well. i flashed the nov. 8 21864 though my sd card. it flashed successfully but after it resets the tp2 logo shows and then a white screen with the numbers on the bottom that always pop up. the screen stays frozen there. any suggestions on what the problem might be
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Is the correct ROM flashed? Meaning, if you have a CDMA Device (RHOD400 & RHOD500), do you have a CDMA ROM flashed? Or a GSM ROM on a GSM device? I see people doing this a lot lately, and it sounds like the problem you have.

nope ive only flashed gsm roms for my gsm phone im gonna try to flash oct 28 and c wat happens

Is there such a thing as flashing too much?

Recently acquired a used 8525 and have been checking out tons of custom ROMS but today my phone locked up and wouldn't do anything. I am flashed to 2.10 HardSPL and was running the stock "like" 6.5 ROM on the front page of the Hermes forum. Phone would start up but locked up at the first HTC splash screen. I tried resetting and removing the battery but it would hang at the same spot. I flashed to a different ROM and everything seems OK. The 6.5ROM ran fine for a few days when it was installed. Is it possible to damage the internal memory by flashing and reflashing constantly or is the issue more than likely a software problem?

You need to flash the at&t stripped rom between those custom roms. That will "straighten out" any odd memory issues like what your experiencing.
And I'm guessing it would take several thousand (or more) rewrites of the memory to mess it up. Probably similar to compact flash, or a thumb drive. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable ones around here know.

Thanks for the info. Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?

Yup! And it seems just flashing the at&t stripped rom seems to be fine, no need to let it go through setup and all of that. I generally wait for it to get to the "tap here" screen, then go into boot loader and reflash.

I'm having the same issue one my 8525.
I can't do ANYTHING because my phone is stuck saying smart mobility.
And, a black screen.
How do I....
Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
I've downloaded your stripped AT&T room... now what? I dont know about bootloader

Ok. It looks like I finally have SOMETHING other than that screen.
I just did a hard reset.
Is there anything I should do BEFORE this happens again?

Install Hard SPL V7 if you get to the today screen... Go to here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
page 116, post 1160 to use the sd card method...
This should make it easier to recover your Hermes if something goes wrong.
Cheers...
SD card MUST be 2Gb or less and formatted FAT32. Check your spelling - hermimg.nbh...

I'm fully functioning now... I have installed HARD SPL before.. do I re do it?
Or, what?
all is working normal now

Nah, once it's there, there is no need to redo it. It will stick between flashings.

[Solved] New questions about Android

Everything is working nice for me now, except for missing ÆØÅ, but I guess Ill get used to it.
The os is a bit slow, but meh.
So my I have found answers to my questions, but below are the original ones.
New questions:
Hello again!
Thanks for the information. Big thanks to this wonderful forum, because I can run Android on my phone!
But as I have tested it I have some questions:
1. The wifi is really slow. It feels like I am using Internet through the SIM card, but I am indeed not. (I took out the SIM card to test). And there isn't any problem with our Internet, because it is fast and good on everything else.
Downloaded some older files and the WiFi is working much better now!
2. I got some problems with vertical lines, but after readings some FAQs I found out about a setting. It has worked overnight, but is it permanent?
This problem is solved, haven't experienced any vertical lines after boot fix.
3. I'm not sure if GPS is working, because it take ages to start. Just says loading... loading... etc.
GPS is working, but slow.
4. Since I am from Norway it seems like I have custom physical keyboard. (with ÆØÅ) And because of that all the FN keys are messed up, well except for numbers.But as I read somewhere the default mapping for Tytn II should be FN + Q = @
And that is how my keyboard look now. But it should be FN + Q = ? according to the text on the keyboard and how it worked in WM.
And is there any way to do the same for the Android keyboard?
Anything I can edit without too much hazzle to fix this? Cause its a pain to write texts without the Norwegian letters.
I found a custom kernel and it is working nice (I have asked for a custom build of it so I can have ÆØÅ too, but mapping is good)
Besides that I am SO happy with it! I just love the menus and how its so easy to touch compared to WM.
Original questions:
Code:
Okey, first of all.. this is probably a newbie question and I might have found my answer if I searched for a while.
But as both you and me know, it would've taken me much more time to search and read a bunch of threads than it would be to just simply ask the question.
I am a newbie at the whole ROM and radio business on phones. To be honest I just found out yesterday that it was even possible.
As you might have guessed I want to run Android on my phone. Im going to run it from the microSD card etc.
Well there werent really any problems to download the Android files together with Haret and then put them on the sd card. (If I wasnt able to do that I wouldnt bother.)
The problem is that when trying to run Android from within WM (6.1) it just freezes at full bar with the text "Go Go Go". The whole phone is just frozen and I have to restart it.
Well as I read on the troublehooting guide on "androidonhtc.com" I have to update my radio which then leads me to this website.
Fine so far. The problem is that I do not really want to mess with the phone itself. First I want to know how I can "backup" the radio so if I mess up something while flashing I can easily go back.
Second of all Im not really sure which radio which works with which rom.
I am running the original rom which came with the phone and I do not really want to mess up anything.
Here are the infos I got from the phone:
Rom version: 3.29.409.0 NOR (Yeah, Im from Norway)
Rom date: 05/05/08
Radio version: 1.65.16.25
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
The phone is HTC Tytn II running Windows Mobile 6.1
The guide on androidonhtc said that I needed "1.65.24.xx or 1.71.xx.xx"
Can I then use a 1.71.xx even though I have a 1.65.16.25 now?
tl;dr:
I want to know which radio I can use for the phone with the specs above.

The recommended radio for most android builds is 1.71.xx, however it will still run on older radios, but may experience some audio, wifi, bt, gps, and possibly other issues.
If you intend to run from SD card, then this may not be much more than an annoyance, since you can reboot to Winmo at any time, and as a newcomer to android this would have been my advice anyway.
To upgrade the radio is a simple step usually, provided your device is prepared properly.
A prepared device means that is ready and able to be flashed, and this requires HardSPL, ( basically an unlocked bootloader that allows you to flash roms/radios/ splash screens etc).
I recommend reading through the guides and tutorials sticky in the 'main' rom forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533976
This should give you an understanding of what might be involved in starting to flash your device, and should answer many of your questions about radios, flashing, unlocking, roms and other things you may need to know about before proceeding.
Good luck, and remember, I was once as new as you, and that thread was where I learned all I know about my devices

So if I update to 1.71.09.01 while still using the original ROM, I wont get any big problems?
Or do I have to upgrade the ROM too?
You see.. this stuff is confusing to me. I consider myself a PC geek, but I suck at phones.
The instructions are pretty easy to follow, but its not so easy to know if I'm able to revert the stuff I'm doing.
I want to do as little "damage" to the phone as possible.
Is it necessary to backup the radio which is on the phone now, or do I have to find another radio from here and flash it on?
And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?

cXhristian said:
So if I update to 1.71.09.01 while still using the original ROM, I wont get any big problems?
Or do I have to upgrade the ROM too?
You see.. this stuff is confusing to me. I consider myself a PC geek, but I suck at phones.
The instructions are pretty easy to follow, but its not so easy to know if I'm able to revert the stuff I'm doing.
I want to do as little "damage" to the phone as possible.
Is it necessary to backup the radio which is on the phone now, or do I have to find another radio from here and flash it on?
And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?
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You don't need to upgrade the ROM. All you need to do is install hardSPL, then install the radio. If you install hardSPL properly, your phone will be almost impossible to brick. It's really the first thing any person should do to their phone when beginning to do modifications. You can't "back up" your radio, but all available radio versions, including the one you currently have, are available HERE. So if you ever want to go back to your original radio, it will always be there. I honestly don't know the difference between the radios, I just know that certain versions are recommended depending on what ROM you are using, for the best signal and least bugs with wifi and bluetooth, as zenity previously mentioned. Hope this helps you some, good luck!

Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear.
The reason why I want to try out other mobile OS and ROMs is that I hate how the menus are so frigging tiny on the WM 6.1
If I'm trying to do stuff fast I always click the wrong button.. And yeah I have lost my stylus.
Anyway, thanks for all the help. After getting some answers and reading some threads I feel ready to update the radio.

cXhristian said:
And one last question. Is there any difference between the original radio on the phone and the radios I'm downloading from here?
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Basically the higher the radio version number, the newer the radio software, as our devices aged, HTC brought out a number of software updates.
Our network carriers usually have custom ROM's which have a 'matched' radio for best operation, however even these 'matched' radios had small bugs, which were patched by releasing newer radio versions, of which 1.71.xx was the lastest and last official HTC radio for the Kaiser series.
There are also radios from other devices which work with our kaisers, but these are not recommended unless you have a particular need for one of those.
As far as the ability to 'undo' any modifications you make is concerned, it can all be reversed and your device put back the way it was relatively easily, instructions for this are best found on the wiki pages for the kaiser, along with a load of other information about radios, roms, flashing etc.
But unless the reason for not messing with your kaiser is in case you have warranty concerns, then pretty much everything is 'safe' to do, ( there is ALWAYS a risk of a bad flash, or unforseen power cut, but even these are recoverable in all but the most extreme circumstances).
Finally, take everything one step at a time, don't be tempted to rush in and try everything at once, you will make mistakes, you will also learn how to fix them.
As with everything else, remember to backup anything you really cannot afford to lose, get a 128Mb SD card with an HTC ROM on it, and don't panic

Hello again!
Thanks for the information. Big thanks to this wonderful forum, because I can run Android on my phone!
But as I have tested it I have some questions:
1. The wifi is really slow. It feels like I am using Internet through the SIM card, but I am indeed not. (I took out the SIM card to test). And there isn't any problem with our Internet, because it is fast and good on everything else.
2. I got some problems with vertical lines, but after readings some FAQs I found out about a setting. It has worked overnight, but is it permanent?
3. I'm not sure if GPS is working, because it take ages to start. Just says loading... loading... etc.
4. Since I am from Norway it seems like I have custom physical keyboard. (with ÆØÅ) And because of that all the FN keys are messed up, well except for numbers.But as I read somewhere the default mapping for Tytn II should be FN + Q = @
And that is how my keyboard look now. But it should be FN + Q = ? according to the text on the keyboard and how it worked in WM.
And is there any way to do the same for the Android keyboard?
Anything I can edit without too much hazzle to fix this? Cause its a pain to write texts without the Norwegian letters.
Besides that I am SO happy with it! I just love the menus and how its so easy to touch compared to WM.

I'm having the exact reverse, m FN + Q is ?.

If i remember, fn+q='?' means you are using a tilt keymap on a non tilt keyboard, if you are running from nand, try a non-tilt nbh, if you are running from SD theres a setting in default.txt. ( board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 ) if it's set to 1 change it to 0

No, on the nbh i'm using, the tilt keypad layout is set to 0. But I'm back on ext2 now so it isnt a problem anymore.