I'm using Schaps 4.30 on my tytn and I've noticed that my 3G connection is connecting automatically at random times, especially through the night, and as far as I can tell no programs are open that would use data. The only thing open is activesync. Then I check my bill to find out that it is in fact sending 1k-300k amounts of data. Since I don't have but a 1meg data plan this is pissing me off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-Tyler
Well, if you turn off your 3G connection capabilities via the comm manager, it will not only save u battery but none of those random connections will happen either. If u need it on u can easily turn it back on.
mcorrie1121 said:
Well, if you turn off your 3G connection capabilities via the comm manager, it will not only save u battery but none of those random connections will happen either. If u need it on u can easily turn it back on.
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Well, sure, I could turn it off at night, I could turn off the whole phone as well. But I'd like to be able to receive my text and multimedia messages.
*edit* The 3G connection itself is not specific to the problem, I just meant a general connection.
Maybe today plugins, like weather, want to update their data? Disable all today plugins and see.
DaRkMyTh said:
Well, sure, I could turn it off at night, I could turn off the whole phone as well. But I'd like to be able to receive my text and multimedia messages.
*edit* The 3G connection itself is not specific to the problem, I just meant a general connection.
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Well SMS and MMS messages can still come thru on Edge...3G is just faster.
You might try this. Got it from here.
mcorrie1121 said:
Well SMS and MMS messages can still come thru on Edge...3G is just faster.
You might try this. Got it from here.
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Lol, I know messages still come in through Edge, I wasn't meaning to be specific to the 3G connection, just that it's connecting in general.
It did it again last night. I'm going to flash to Schaps 4.31 and see if that helps.
Thanks for the advice guys.
DaRkMyTh said:
Lol, I know messages still come in through Edge, I wasn't meaning to be specific to the 3G connection, just that it's connecting in general.
It did it again last night. I'm going to flash to Schaps 4.31 and see if that helps.
Thanks for the advice guys.
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The app i attached should work for ya. Lets u toggle whether the phone's data connections are enabled/disabled.
DaRkMyTh said:
I'm using Schaps 4.30 on my tytn and I've noticed that my 3G connection is connecting automatically at random times, especially through the night, and as far as I can tell no programs are open that would use data. The only thing open is activesync. Then I check my bill to find out that it is in fact sending 1k-300k amounts of data. Since I don't have but a 1meg data plan this is pissing me off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-Tyler
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Im assuming you have push mail enabled correct? (or an activesync account somewhere?)
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I've got the same problem. I'm using the default HTC WWE ROM. At random times, sometimes twice a day, my "Rogers Internet" data connection (GPRS, EDGE or 3G) connects automatically and doesn't disconnect. If I catch it happening and click cancel, it tries again. It will not give up until the connection has been established for at least 10 seconds.
I've gone through every program I have, checking to make sure the auto update option is disabled (if there is an auto update). I do not use the direct push and therefore, activesync schedule is greyed out.
Any ideas?
ddn2003 said:
I've got the same problem. I'm using the default HTC WWE ROM. At random times, sometimes twice a day, my "Rogers Internet" data connection (GPRS, EDGE or 3G) connects automatically and doesn't disconnect. If I catch it happening and click cancel, it tries again. It will not give up until the connection has been established for at least 10 seconds.
I've gone through every program I have, checking to make sure the auto update option is disabled (if there is an auto update). I do not use the direct push and therefore, activesync schedule is greyed out.
Any ideas?
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AT&T decided that it was my phone and replaced it, sure enough that did the trick. I wouldn't imagine that it's always a hardware issue though, since many people seem to have had this same problem. Simple things like today plugins or maybe just hitting the "X" while signed into MSN Messenger instead of signing out before closing the program. Things like that could contribute to the problem. Hope you're able to get your fixed.
Thanks for the help everyone.
Had the same problems, resulting in extra fast battery drain.
I think I fixed it by flashing a newer radio ROM, but then again my battery still drains very fast since flashing TNT's 6.1 ROM.
Not so sure what's going on...
ygeller said:
Had the same problems, resulting in extra fast battery drain.
I think I fixed it by flashing a newer radio ROM, but then again my battery still drains very fast since flashing TNT's 6.1 ROM.
Not so sure what's going on...
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What version radio are you using?
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I bought my tp2 4 months ago (brand new) with winmo 6.1 and immediately upgraded to 6.5. Winmo 6.5 seems to be really slow for me, and I think it's because I don't have a data plan. Anyway, I've tried disabling the data connection in an attempt to speed it up but it doesn't seem to be working.
Are there any ROMs specifically developed for users without a data package?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
TIA,
Zack
zk2010 said:
I bought my tp2 4 months ago (brand new) with winmo 6.1 and immediately upgraded to 6.5. Winmo 6.5 seems to be really slow for me, and I think it's because I don't have a data plan. Anyway, I've tried disabling the data connection in an attempt to speed it up but it doesn't seem to be working.
Are there any ROMs specifically developed for users without a data package?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
TIA,
Zack
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hmm...data plan has nothing to do with the speed of your rom
If you're still using official roms, I suggest you try out the custom roms on this forum
I thought it might be laggy if it is trying to connect to the tmobile data network... I've tried to turn it off, but sometimes I see it's still on. Perhaps you're right in that it shouldn't be slowing me down. I don't want anything that will try to autoconnect to the internet- like the Weather app. Any ROM you would recommend? Speed is a primary concern.
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I thought it might be laggy if it is trying to connect to the tmobile data network... I've tried to turn it off, but sometimes I see it's still on. Perhaps you're right in that it shouldn't be slowing me down. I don't want anything that will try to autoconnect to the internet- like the Weather app. Any ROM you would recommend? Speed is a primary concern.
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You can certainly try turning data off and see what happens
As for roms...they are all very good you should try them all
zk2010 said:
I thought it might be laggy if it is trying to connect to the tmobile data network... I've tried to turn it off, but sometimes I see it's still on. Perhaps you're right in that it shouldn't be slowing me down. I don't want anything that will try to autoconnect to the internet- like the Weather app. Any ROM you would recommend? Speed is a primary concern.
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Actually, if you never use the data connection, you could probably just remove the data settings in the Setup / Connections / Connections / Edit Current settings area. However I'm not sure if that would result in "unable to connect" messages.
But I agree with previous posts, it will not help the speed of your phone.
I'd also suggest unticking any boxes regarding 'auto update' for things like weather, email, twitter etc.
I've never heard of such a ROM.
Have you tried modaco's NoData to disable data connections?
Dave
My phone sometimes loses signal completely... other times it has a signal but I cannot connect to the net. The 3G Symbol at the top only shows that it is uploading and not downloading. any Ideas on how i can fix this?
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My phone sometimes loses signal completely... other times it has a signal but I cannot connect to the net. The 3G Symbol at the top only shows that it is uploading and not downloading. any Ideas on how i can fix this?
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The radio is very flaky, I believe even more so for CDMA devices. What type of phone do you have?
I get the same thing here. Almost 1 out of every 3 times coming out of sleep it is ok. Otherwise I have to go and rebuild the APN settings back to default.
Typically it has something listed but once in a while it lists nothing until I rebuild them.
These times seems like it is like the towers have stopped talking or refuse connection to my phone. Thus the reason why it uploads but not downloading any data.
2.1 had random data issues but 2.2 has some major kink either with the radio version or overall CDMA.
I have Verizon (RHOD500).
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The radio is very flaky, I believe even more so for CDMA devices. What type of phone do you have?
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I believe it's the (Touch pro2) Rhodium 100. but not really sure how to check. But if you mean GSM or CDMA.. Its GSM
Mrakulis said:
I believe it's the (Touch pro2) Rhodium 100. but not really sure how to check. But if you mean GSM or CDMA.. Its GSM
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you can try re-flashing the radio, which will help if anything has been corrupted
I would try that if my WinMo has an issue. So far just android dropping data on my RHOD500.
I think it is trying to rebuild or at least re-register on the network too much causing issues with towers or internally at least.
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you can try re-flashing the radio, which will help if anything has been corrupted
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I dnt have a problem in WM. Only within Android.
Yea... the radio drivers probably aren't perfect. Far from it, from the sound of things... I've definitely had issues with it as well. I just try to avoid making calls in Android, and receiving them always makes me leery. I've had a few important calls drop because Android decided to reboot itself...
Ahh yeah I've seen the same problems on my RHOD500...usually I know when facebook gets a refresh API error since its set to sync every hour so I just pop on/off airplane mode for a minute and I get data back.
Other then that radio seems pretty decent...I make and receive calls all day with no issues.
//Sent from my Neopeek-Froyorider RC2 using XDA App
i have been having the same issue is there a fix for it?
I don't really know to describe this problem better. I'm running CM10 (lately AOKP's latest build) with default kernels. I've flashed all the radios and tried a bunch of them in solid LTE coverage, I seem to have the same problem every time, which is the data seems to "stall."
It will show full signal, and then if i click a link, it will sort of just sit there, not really doing anything. Eventually it may load, or i give up in patience. Any one have any ideas?
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I don't really know to describe this problem better. I'm running CM10 (lately AOKP's latest build) with default kernels. I've flashed all the radios and tried a bunch of them in solid LTE coverage, I seem to have the same problem every time, which is the data seems to "stall."
It will show full signal, and then if i click a link, it will sort of just sit there, not really doing anything. Eventually it may load, or i give up in patience. Any one have any ideas?
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I am using at&t stock rom and not yet rooted. Even I have the same problem. Tried to disable and enable data from the notification but did not help. But, when I turn on the wifi, and turn off the wifi again, it works fine. When wifi is turned on phone disables the data and try's to connect to wifi or shows the available networks, but I don't connect and I turn off the wifi, phone reconnects to the at&t data again and then it works fine. Not sure why.
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I am using at&t stock rom and not yet rooted. Even I have the same problem. Tried to disable and enable data from the notification but did not help. But, when I turn on the wifi, and turn off the wifi again, it works fine. When wifi is turned on phone disables the data and try's to connect to wifi or shows the available networks, but I don't connect and I turn off the wifi, phone reconnects to the at&t data again and then it works fine. Not sure why.
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I can't even run a speed test because it just sits there. Web pages "load" but wind up stalling. Sometimes they finish, sometimes they don't. I have no idea what's causing it. What modem are you on?
eallan said:
I can't even run a speed test because it just sits there. Web pages "load" but wind up stalling. Sometimes they finish, sometimes they don't. I have no idea what's causing it. What modem are you on?
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May be a good time to contact your cell phone provider for a replacement.
I was on a cross country road trip running CM9 on my GS3 and I kept running into the same thing. A temporary fix was to reboot the phone. Since I got back, I flashed SlimBean and I haven't seen the issue again.
In my case, I think its the SIM card. I used Google Maps/Navagation on my HTC G2 (using a micro SIM adapter) and my phone got HOT, I mean burn your fingers hot (upwards of 57 degC to 60 degC).
If it happens again I'm going to bring my SIM card back to ATT and have them replace it. I did some googleing and it seems like this is common with the Verizon variants of the GS3.
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May be a good time to contact your cell phone provider for a replacement.
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That's the next step... it means reflashing, and waiting for samsung to fix it though, which sucks a lot.
ive had this same problem and it would piss me off! i found out that busybox was the culprit. i uninstalled busybox and cleard my cache in recovery and all was well once again. if any of yall have busybox installed you may look into my solution.
I recently been having this issue also. But mine is a little bit different. Like my phone will say I am connected to "H" for data but when I load a Page it slightly lags switches to H+ and boom Internet works. When I stall for more then 5 minutes it switches back. I'm not sure if it's some battery conserving feature or what but I have no problem against at.
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On my HTC One X (Orange Android 4.0.3, HTC Sence 4.0 Software 1.29.061.11) I have a common problem where I don't get a text message until I press the "Power" button at the top of the phone. As soon as I do, the phone beeps and vibrates, and displays the message on screen. The text message will have a time stamp of many minutes before (maybe 15/30 minutes). If I don't keep checking my phone, I don't receive messages!
Its like the phone is in a deep sleep and isn't receiving messages.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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On my HTC One X (Orange Android 4.0.3, HTC Sence 4.0 Software 1.29.061.11) I have a common problem where I don't get a text message until I press the "Power" button at the top of the phone. As soon as I do, the phone beeps and vibrates, and displays the message on screen. The text message will have a time stamp of many minutes before (maybe 15/30 minutes). If I don't keep checking my phone, I don't receive messages!
Its like the phone is in a deep sleep and isn't receiving messages.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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It may have something to do with HTC SmartSync.
Yes I know it is only supposed to between the hours of 12(Midnight) and 7AM, but it may not be de-activating for you.
Also is it constantly, or intermittent?
i noticed this before, but havent since the 2.17 update - maybe this is what fixes it..
Are you using wifi and set it to turn off while your screen is off? That might be problem.
kaz89 said:
Are you using wifi and set it to turn off while your screen is off? That might be problem.
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Wifi isn't responsible for the text messages assuming it's sms
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Yes its SMS message, not on Wifi.
I don't recall ever setting up SmartSync, can you advise what to check/disable?
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Yes its SMS message, not on Wifi.
I don't recall ever setting up SmartSync, can you advise what to check/disable?
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No, SmartSync is enabled by default, HTC though they were being clever but it has cause no end of issue.
There was an app that you could use to disable it, but it has been removed from the Play Store
Im sorry I cannot help you further but I can almost guarantee this will be your cause.
Wilks3y said:
No, SmartSync is enabled by default, HTC though they were being clever but it has cause no end of issue.
There was an app that you could use to disable it, but it has been removed from the Play Store
Im sorry I cannot help you further but I can almost guarantee this will be your cause.
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but isn't smart sync for wifi/data?
if so it wouldn't, or at least shouldn't affect the sms
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Yes its SMS message, not on Wifi.
I don't recall ever setting up SmartSync, can you advise what to check/disable?
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SmartSync only disables data connections (WiFi and mobile data) from 0.00 to 7.00, so I highly doubt it has anything to do with your problem. I have noticed I sometimes get the sms notification when I turn on the screen, but never more than 2 minutes after the SMS has actually arrived. On some CM-based ROM's there is an option for the SMS app to show the time the text was sent, as opposed to the time your device received it, and there are delays caused by the network sometimes, so there may be nothing wrong with your phone.
I suggest you install Ghostly SMS. It will essentially double your SMS notification (unless you purchase the donate version, which will remove it once your SMS app displays its own), but it's always fast and reliable - you will see it gets the SMS a fraction of a second before the system's notification appears. I've been using it since there was a problem with messages not being received on a CM7 Nightly for my old Desire and it has never failed.
I noticed last night, around 7/8PM (UK TIME!) that when I switched my screen on, my WiFi and Signal reconnected.
I am having the same issue as you, my Network and Connections turn themselves off with the screen haha !
ANYONE FOUND A SOLUTION!?
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I noticed last night, around 7/8PM (UK TIME!) that when I switched my screen on, my WiFi and Signal reconnected.
I am having the same issue as you, my Network and Connections turn themselves off with the screen haha !
ANYONE FOUND A SOLUTION!?
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as in the signal bars also are showing no bars with a cross?
Firefox
pee_cee said:
On my HTC One X (Orange Android 4.0.3, HTC Sence 4.0 Software 1.29.061.11) I have a common problem where I don't get a text message until I press the "Power" button at the top of the phone. As soon as I do, the phone beeps and vibrates, and displays the message on screen. The text message will have a time stamp of many minutes before (maybe 15/30 minutes). If I don't keep checking my phone, I don't receive messages!
Its like the phone is in a deep sleep and isn't receiving messages.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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This used to happen to me at random very annoying it turned out that it was firefox opened in the background that caused it so i just use chrome now. Dont know if this is the same problem.
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as in the signal bars also are showing no bars with a cross?
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Yeah no signal bars, with the red cross over.
And Wifi has no bars also, and is grey'd out as it looks when you are on very low signal?
It either only stays like that for long enough for me to notice it, or it never re-connects and I have to restart my phone.
Any one know a cause/solution?
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Yeah no signal bars, with the red cross over.
And Wifi has no bars also, and is grey'd out as it looks when you are on very low signal?
It either only stays like that for long enough for me to notice it, or it never re-connects and I have to restart my phone.
Any one know a cause/solution?
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that's definitely not smart sync doing that - not for the phone signal anyway
have you got the phone set to wcdma only ?
if you haven't tried already, then try take the sim card out, clean it, blow into the sim slot in case of dust etc and then put back in and try again
what rom are you using? and what mods if any?
Edit: just seen your sig, if you're on stock then its easier to diagnose at least. try and boot the phone in safe mode for a few hours, check if it continues to do it or not
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Yeah no signal bars, with the red cross over.
And Wifi has no bars also, and is grey'd out as it looks when you are on very low signal?
It either only stays like that for long enough for me to notice it, or it never re-connects and I have to restart my phone.
Any one know a cause/solution?
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The mobile signal just disappearing at random happened to me when I traveled to Italy, but it must have been something with the netwrok, since it only happened there. However, I had no problem at all with WiFi.
The fact that both of your connections have bad signal makes me think of a either hardware issue or a bad radio. I've never flashed a radio on my HOX, but maybe a RUU could help. Or you might have to take your phone to the service...
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that's definitely not smart sync doing that - not for the phone signal anyway
have you got the phone set to wcdma only ?
if you haven't tried already, then try take the sim card out, clean it, blow into the sim slot in case of dust etc and then put back in and try again
what rom are you using? and what mods if any?
Edit: just seen your sig, if you're on stock then its easier to diagnose at least. try and boot the phone in safe mode for a few hours, check if it continues to do it or not
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I think its when I travel a big distance in a certain amount of time, I read that some where else. Say if you got in a car, drove around town for a bit (Which is what I did when I noticed) then the signal goes wierd, continue doing it and its as though it gives up trying to chace you round and just thinks, theyll sort me out when im needed (yes im talking as though im bar of signal haha)
The quote below also stacks up, as he was traveling in italy?
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The mobile signal just disappearing at random happened to me when I traveled to Italy, but it must have been something with the netwrok, since it only happened there. However, I had no problem at all with WiFi.
The fact that both of your connections have bad signal makes me think of a either hardware issue or a bad radio. I've never flashed a radio on my HOX, but maybe a RUU could help. Or you might have to take your phone to the service...
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Can you try and help me find n RUU, but I don't think i'll use it as theres too much data on my phone to lose
HTC have agreed to a repair already about the WiFi, but I don't want them anywhere near my phone, once you've purchased they dont care. I USED TO LOVE HTC ! Now they have made me think they dont care about the customers.
Perhaps I should ask about the radio issue also?!
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Can you try and help me find n RUU, but I don't think i'll use it as theres too much data on my phone to lose
HTC have agreed to a repair already about the WiFi, but I don't want them anywhere near my phone, once you've purchased they dont care. I USED TO LOVE HTC ! Now they have made me think they dont care about the customers.
Perhaps I should ask about the radio issue also?!
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I see now your signature says you're still on stock ROM. If that's the case, you might not need an RUU, a simple Factory Reset might do the same job. RUU's are different for different carriers, so I can't find one for you, but you will find them all here. If your phone is not branded (i.e. without simlock or any custom software by your carrier), look for one that has 401 in the name, such as this one RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.17.401.2_Radio_2.1204.135.20_release_274900_signed.exe
What data do you have to back-up? You can transfer all your files to your PC or store them on a cloud service (Dropbox, Drive etc) and you can backup your apps & data with adb as shown here.
If it is a radio issue, however, you may well have to take it for repairs. I don't know where you live, but I've always heard nothing but the best about HTC's repairs, they even accepted (free of charge) phones that had beed dropped on concrete or in a tank full of water, which is one of the main reasons I stay away from Samsung (along with TouchWiz, low-quality materials and more, but I'm getting too off-topic).
Good luck and tell us how it went! :good:
Thanks for the replies, I'm just going to hope that the ICS/Jellybean updates over the next few months help.
BTW, I dont use the Firefox browser. Thanks
Running CM11 on PagePlus. I cannot access the Internet. I was able to at one time. Thought it was the Rom so I flash CM10.1 and Stock rooted rom. I reactivated the phone after the installs. Every time it says the network is connected but I cannot connect to the Internet or send MMS. Starting to think it is the phone. Any ideas?
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IP address is applied. Able to ping ip address but not some other known ip address. Traceroute does one hop to 66.174.216.161, which seems to be a Verizon ISP. Might try playing with apns-config.xml. I had tried the one I had when it was working previously but did not seem to change anything.
I'm new, but had similar problems
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Running CM11 on PagePlus. I cannot access the Internet. I was able to at one time. Thought it was the Rom so I flash CM10.1 and Stock rooted rom. I reactivated the phone after the installs. Every time it says the network is connected but I cannot connect to the Internet or send MMS. Starting to think it is the phone. Any ideas?
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I'm not sure the MMS issue has been resolved, as of yet. Last time I check the Development thread it seemed like there wasn't yet a fix. Someone will correct me shortly if I'm mistaken, I'm sure.
The data problem you're having is one that I struggled with for a couple weeks in CM11... I don't know how much help I can be, because I'm not really sure what ended up actually fixing it for my dINC. All I know is that I spent about three hours dirty flashing and restoring from nand backups, sometimes the full backup and sometimes just partitions. I also threw in a *228 somewhere in there. Anyways, Through persistence, and sheer dumb luck, I finally have a pretty stable data connection, as long as I don't use the mode switcher in DUbattery(that seems to mess 3g up until reboot).
sometimes it helps to toggle airplane mode on then off.
Thanks for the tip. I toggled airplane mode on and off. I could then load google in the browser but it would not do anything after that. I have a new inc and an OG Evo coming in. Might have to retire my inc for the kid to play games on. My wife is using and OG Evo with no data or mms problems on 10.1 and I am sort of digging the larger screen. Also might be able to help zach with troubleshooting cm11 for the evo (supersonic).
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Running CM11 on PagePlus. I cannot access the Internet. I was able to at one time. Thought it was the Rom so I flash CM10.1 and Stock rooted rom. I reactivated the phone after the installs. Every time it says the network is connected but I cannot connect to the Internet or send MMS. Starting to think it is the phone. Any ideas?
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so its not just me, my pageplus data is borked as well and I was chocking it up to QcRil but I guess its not, so I will see whats up
zachf714 said:
so its not just me, my pageplus data is borked as well and I was chocking it up to QcRil but I guess its not, so I will see whats up
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Glad to know it was not just my phone. I am back on your 2/17 build and was worried there was some leftover firewall stuff even though I wiped everything except emmc and sd-card before the flash.
On another note. I have that other EVO coming in so should be able to load up CM11 and do some logging for you.
So I switched mobile data off this weekend with the silent profile and when I switched it back on using the default profile my data worked.
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So I switched mobile data off this weekend with the silent profile and when I switched it back on using the default profile my data worked.
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I'm glad you found a fix! On my dINC, I don't use the profiles, and mobile data crashes randomly. After flashing the March 23rd build, it has gotten somewhat better, but it always seems to skip out when I need it most... specifically.... when I use Google voice search to either dictate text messages or navigate to an address(delivery driver). the latter is especially frustrating, because I only use the navi when I'm already out of the store and can't find something, so no alternative available. Sometimes, even when the 3g symbol is full in status bar, I'll push the voice button and it will say, "cannot reach google *** etc" :crying: