According to this link:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-01-13-android-google_N.htm?csp=34
a company named:
www.a-la-mobile.com
has ported ( or at least built ) Google Andriod to work on a QTek 9090. And you know what that means ?!
Researching their website they do not list a press notice or have any link directly to state that such a build exists, but I highly doubt a new outlet like USA Today would say that if it weren't demonstrated somehow.
Anyone know any more of this company, and how to possibly get a build of Android for us to test ?
Very soon Android will be here for almost HTC devices
http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press/pr080114.html
WoWowwwoooowwww
I have a pda2k alias htc blueangel alias qtek 9090
I alredy installed linux on my pda, compile kernel, lib, openmoko, qtopia, angstrom, etc...
'cause android is based on linux kernel, android work on this device with very simple steps(theoretically).
I think, for example, with hh kernel (touch, wireless, power etc..) android is possible!!
guys... please post on this forum all informations about this device and android.
Sorry for english!
Android on BA
Here:
http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press/pr080114.html
AAAAAAHHHH!!! YEEEESSSSS!!!!
The question remains
Since a-la-mobile mentioned that there are some "enhanced" applications of their own making, on the build they demonstrated ( curious there are no pictures posted ANYWHERE ), is there ever an intention of releasing this. The issue is that all this Android stuff is out under the Apache license, and though IANAL, my understanding is that they can do this, close it down, make someone (shudder) pay for this (mostly open source) software.
I forwarded an email to their press contact asking them specifically what their intentions for this build are. Letter follows:
Hello Ms. Gong,
I'm writing to you as an inquiry as to the reported build of Android for the QTek9090 ( aka HTC BlueAngel ) Windows Mobile phone. As I understand it from the press release, despite being built on an Android bsae, the application stack with this build is one of your own companies making ?
I'm a member of a rather large community of developers, some in your company sure have heard of xda-developers ( www.xda-developers.com ). For the most part we're developers, trying to get the most out of our hardware's capabilities.Though I'm sure there might be business concerns which may preclude answering, I'd like to pose some questions, which hopefully some at least, a-la-mobile would be able to comment on publicly. My questions are as follows:
1. Is a-la-mobile's interest in this solely as a "proof-of-concept" exercise, as hinted at in the press release ? If so, is there any intention of releasing this build to the development community ( even as a solely binary distribution ) for evaluative purposes ?
2. Is a-la-mobile's direction to possibly produce a commercially available ( to the consumer ) release of this build or some similarly comprised build of Android-based software ? If so, do you have some sort of release date or formal product announcement planned ?
3. Are there any product demonstration videos, demonstrating this accomplishment available for public viewing ?
Thank you for your kind attention, I look forward to your response.
Regards,
......
watttttttttttt
Well written, excellent....
Let us know the response if any..
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looks like a photoshoped to me, but I have my brother Blue Angel, would love to have android in it
marcelol said:
what their intentions for this build are.
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They are a ${dotcom} company and need to produce some buzz for a ${VC} to be happy ?
Hi! Do you have any news on that?
still no news on this??
Isn't there anyone around here that heard of some more details?
I guess, lots of people must be looking for this solution, and want to reproduce what a La Mobile did earlier? I tried contacting them, without any response (so far), but someone must have been doing similar stuff, getting one of the 'good old BA kernels', and running the SDK provided stuff on it?
Or am I so wrong in thinking this stuff is peace of cake...?
I just want to get this post the most attention possible, and gather everyone around, to speed up doing similar stuff...
Thanks for reading, and for posting your thoughts and ideas on this...
If anyone can help, please do We'll all benefit of it
A la Mobile responded, here's a copy of the mail they sent me:
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Dear Bram,
Thank you for your interest in a la Mobile's Android-based prototype
phone stack.
You're absolutely right -- we have received a multitude of requests for
our stack and/or device. Unfortunately, until Google releases the
Android source code, we are not able to distribute either due to their
licensing agreement restrictions.
Best regards,
Margie
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So it basically comes down to the fact that google didn't release any sources yet... or did they? I can't follow anymore..
If google does, and I get an answer they did, I will ask a-l-m again, and we'll see from there
Anyone any other successtories to post?
Any news on this subject? nudge them again!!! I need to get rid of this M$ bullcrap
Before I annoy them again with the resend and requestioning about freeing their roms and sources, just a question:
Is the Google Android code 'Open Source' and released as such, already.
I'm not into this too much, and I don't have that much time.
Maybe someone knows already, has been looking through it.
I know there's an SDK released, but is the source released under some GPL, Apache, or other open license model too???
If so, let me know, and if possible where the statement of this releasing is to be found, so I can start harassing them again
Hoping they will listen, and release the code or a rom-to-be-uploaded so we can all start enjoying open and free software on our beloved devices
Thanks for the support
Bram
Main question, is where did they take the Blueangel kernel sources code. We are working on it at handhelds.org but for example camera support is missing. Else any people can follow guide on Internet " howto extract Android from emulator and run it on linux device", we have already the kernel, so just need to follow the howto and do same.
Good luck , i continue to work on Qtopia or GPE on Blueangel
Regards,
Fabrice
Android booted on HTC BlueAngel
Hallo everybody,
I am new to this forum and my English ist not the very best... Sorry for that.
I am also very interested in running Googles Android on my Qtek 9090 (alias Blue Angel). On searching for available howtos in the Internet I#ve found this Page:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af897628cf21e455
This Person was really able to boot this Stuff on his Device.
So maybe this is a good starting point!
I will try this out, as soon as I can. (If my wife let me ;-))
sambaHamburg said:
Hallo everybody,
I am new to this forum and my English ist not the very best... Sorry for that.
I am also very interested in running Googles Android on my Qtek 9090 (alias Blue Angel). On searching for available howtos in the Internet I#ve found this Page:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af897628cf21e455
This Person was really able to boot this Stuff on his Device.
So maybe this is a good starting point!
I will try this out, as soon as I can. (If my wife let me ;-))
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next time search the forum mate i have alrdy posted this, go to my post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415665
Sorry,
haven't found your post in my last search.
Didn't want to offend someone.
Bye
Related
Seeing that my ppc friends in the world request me to publish a WM6 version, I have made some amendment of the Wm5 version so as to fit WM6 users,
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1. Download (LVSW 08/04/07): (need to register)
http://www.hkppc.com/xelashiutheme/iphone/Xelashiu_iphone_Deluxe_AD_WM6.html
If your Wm6 rom doesn't have smart dialing, pls install
WM5 HTC Smartdialer cab (Extracted from Hermes)
2. WM6(LVSW 19/05/07) will not be published,
but you can still get it!
If you want to have this version, you need to request by replying the post of my forum
http://www.hkppc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=7133 (leaving your email address and request).
Also you must agree not to distribute by yourself (e.g. posting to another forum). It is for personal use only. If you can follow this, I will send this to you by email.
3.Hermes 3x4 layout WM6(15/09/07) will not be published, but you can still get it!
If you want to have this version, you need to request by replying the post of my forum
http://www.hkppc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=7133 (leaving your email address and request).
Also you must agree not to distribute by yourself (e.g. posting to another forum). It is for personal use only. If you can follow this, I will send this to you by email.
More details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1509945&postcount=47
Also, different roms will need redesign the layout. (Or else, the number will not match!)But it is easy for me to do so! However, I will not publish them in free of charge now. For those who are polite, friendly, sincere and rational guys, I will still extend my helping hand to them and treat them as my friends. Just like in this post of our forum
http://www.hkppc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=7133&page=6#pid39446
http://www.hkppc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=7133&page=7#pid39490
For those who are childish, silly, rude in manner, I just neglect and treat them merely as "spam".
Finally, I need to say Millions thanks to those who are sincerely support me and even economically support my dailpad design. "You" are really my friends and I am willing to serve you by all means.
It looks great mate!...will give a tray for this dial pad
Regards,
Primoz
Can you mirror this on rapidshare or something similar?
I also downloaded the iphone slide lock ( 24 hour format )
Xelashiu rules!
great work
Is it possible to change the Background. I don't want my Phone in Aquarium-Style, but i like the Dialpad Layout very much.
Mirror http://www.mediafire.com/?9zyjaxzyyza
DAFTEK said:
Mirror http://www.mediafire.com/?9zyjaxzyyza
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In fact, my theme is free of charge.
Your behavior is very discouraging and not showing the basic respect to me.
Firstly let me say i love using this dialer.
I have been using it for some time.
xelashiu said:
In fact, my theme is free of charge.
Your behavior is very discouraging and not showing the basic respect to me.
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Why is this discouraging, it is only a mirror. It is not like he is trying to claim you work as his own. Mirrors are a good thing.
Saber_007 said:
Firstly let me say i love using this dialer.
I have been using it for some time.
Why is this discouraging, it is only a mirror. It is not like he is trying to claim you work as his own. Mirrors are a good thing.
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All rights(including any form of distributing, e.g. mirrors) reserved by hkppc.com.Even the mirror should ask for our permission! Right!
Maybe its a cultural thing but file redundency is a good thing for every1!!
Verry good skin, thanks so much xelashiu
xie xie nin (谢谢您)
The problem with registering with any new site is that within 1 week of registering on it (no matter what type of site it is), is that your spam content seems to increase and people then have access to your IP (which leads to trojans, attacks, etc.).
I, like most people, like to keep as much of my information for myself. And, that whole attack thing, it just sucks.
I never got good marks for sharing in grade school.
That being said, I personally am glad that you have shared this with us. At least with the mirrors listed, you know where your file is being distributed. It is not like someone put it on emule and you have no earthly idea where it is.
xelashiu said:
In fact, my theme is free of charge.
Your behavior is very discouraging and not showing the basic respect to me.
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xelashiu said:
All rights(including any form of distributing, e.g. mirrors) reserved by hkppc.com.Even the mirror should ask for our permission! Right!
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Please forgive my ignorance but I will like to have some more information about this.
When you say "All rights" are you talking about the:
The IPHONE brand?
The Artwork including icons?
About the legal stuff:
If you are giving this "software" away for free, under which license is your work protected?
Can we have a copy of such license, if any?
Please with your answer provide the country of origin as well as any other pertinent information within the legal framework.
Thank you.
thisb4by said:
Please forgive my ignorance but I will like to have some more information about this.
(...)
Thank you.
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Hmmm... man... if somebody DO NOT WISH to distribute HIS work with any form - just respect it. Apologize, delete post and that's it.
Xelasiu DO NOT WISH to distribute HIS work with mentioned method.
Believe me or not - building this stuff is maybe more complicated than "next rom cooking".
Sorry, your ignorance couldn't be forgiven.
mross said:
Hmmm... man... if somebody DO NOT WISH to distribute HIS work with any form - just respect it. Apologize, delete post and that's it.
Xelasiu DO NOT WISH to distribute HIS work with mentioned method.
Believe me or not - building this stuff is maybe more complicated than "next rom cooking".
Sorry, your ignorance couldn't be forgiven.
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I can only quote you.
Carramba... just installed this stuff on my spv m3100.
Everything is ok although...
- no sound
- white menu screen (with white fonts )
- couple of minor things... (eg. HTweakC doesn't work...)
Am I stupid or something?
Any ideas? (tried to change today theme 100 times...)
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Well, I know I'm rather noob but maybe someone more clever could think it out...
We have many attempts to flash our devices with "white screen effect".
Some of us reports that have bad blocks, but in different areas. Think that mayby this is way with no way out.
Symptom remains the same always. White screen.
Important is that in fact - system works good (eg filesystem, core, etc...). After taping a screen with stylus - we can calibrate it and go on.
Then we have today screen with no background, a telephone pad with no background, media player with no background... In fact it's such annoying that we can't use our system.
We can even use our camera and record a video or take a picture, but we can not see it.
But not always... if we use "full screen" mode - we can see our films... - strange? isn't it?
Maybe system after flash have some "very small" defect concerning missing ability to scaling down bitmaps or something?
Maybe some stupid modification of graphical engine of our phone after flash will result in getting fully healthy system?
Maybe someone wiser will think it out?
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I do not expect support unless I pay for it ... hm...
Anyway, did anyone with white screen effect tried to put into "white" phone registry file from "healthy" fresh flashed one?
Mayby we do not need new bootloader...
Reply With Quote
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I'm noob but think that you're right....
Anyone knows how to "unpatch" the system from "ATI patch"?
Maybe those with white screen have little bit differnt GE from others???
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Xelashiu rules!
great work
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so ???
I'm too bored to quote you.
Think it out. And try to think positive. If you can think of course.
Fully support xelashiu. The dialpad is a nice job.
Building a dialpad is quite difficult, i fully understand the feeling of xelashiu.
Thanks alot for this dialer I really like it
xelashiu, you are doing an excellent job with these dialpads, and it is completely within your right to restrict others from mirroring your works. However, you must make it clear on your website and/or in your posts what rights are given to people in regard to your works. If it is just a download without any license info, people will usually assume "public domain" which means anyone can do anything with it. I am not saying that people should assume that, nor am I saying that it's a correct assumption. What I am saying is that you should tell people what they can and can't do with your works, otherwise they will assume total freedom.
Please do not let this incident discourage you from making more of your great dialpads.
Hi!
This is my first post in WP so yeah.....
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PREREQUISITES:
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WP Root Tools
Need to know color in HEX (eg. #FF9900)
INSTRUCTIONS:
In Root Tools, swipe to Registry, then Navigate to \Local Machine\ControlPanel\Themes
Now be careful! If you want to edit the LIGHT theme, press 0. If you want to edit the DARK theme, press 1.
Click on BaseThemeColor, then change the value data to your HEX code
Scroll down and do the same to PageBackgroundColor and TextHighContrast.
Go to settings, chose your theme, and VIOLA!
PICTURES OF PROCEDURE ATTACHED
Welcome to the future...are u kidding us? Apps, guides, intuition has already told us everything U wrote...the only diff is the images to better guide who is not practical...bah..
and is VOILA, not VIOLA...
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davide136 said:
Welcome to the future...are u kidding us? Apps, guides, intuition has already told us everything U wrote...the only diff is the images to better guide who is not practical...bah..
and is VOILA, not VIOLA...
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Yeah, you make a good point but it took me like a month to figure out how to do this. Also, your tone makes you look like kind of a douche.
spelling?
*you *difference
I don't mean to sound angry, but you should really think before talking.
Search before posting. It's right there in the forum rules. You may call him "kind of a douche" if you like, but from our perspective this is spam.
At most, this is worthy of yet another reference to it in the Registry Tweaks thread. I could understand creating a new thread if you'd released a new app to automate it (because there totally aren't enough theming apps yet...) but even if this were a brand new tweak, it should have gone in the existing registry tweaking thread.
That said, I do appreciate your desire to help explain the exact steps. Just, please consider the most apropriate avenue for doing so.
Try Theme_Install http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667410
Sorry adiboy but I'm not native English and I have not a complete control over the language anyway, we already know it...
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adiboy101 said:
Yeah, you make a good point but it took me like a month to figure out how to do this.
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ha ha ha...a month?
it took me 30 seconds using the forum search function (that was about a year ago)...u should really search before thinking :]
Wow, cut the guy some slack.
adiboy101 said:
Yeah, you make a good point but it took me like a month to figure out how to do this.
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Looks like you are a really smart boy
I don't think you guys understand. I was just trying to make a clear step by step guide to doing what i thought was a pretty cool tweak.
As you can see, I just recently migrated from android, and I'm loving windows phone so far. I guess the WP dev community is a bit different, and that's just something i'll have to learn to get used to.
That said, what do you think i should do next? Delete the thread? post it in a different forum?
Thanks for helping a WP noob out!
PS: the "for like a month" part was a bit exagerated. I only got my WP device 2 weeks ago
My inclination would just be to lock it and let it fall of the first page (I'm aware that posting this bumps it, but meh). I don't frequent the Adroid forums, but if they're cool with (or full of) people "discovering" a tweak (you can't even call it a hack; the registry editor itself is the hack, this is just one way to use it) and making a post in the OS-wide dev&hacking sub-forum... Oh, and then there's the fact that the registry tweak thread (which has been running for well over a year) shows up right away if you type the first three words of your subject line into the Search.
I've made this mistake before - come new to a community, figured something out, thought it was super-cool, and posted about it without checking if anybody was likely to benefit from my post. I've done that once, to be more specific. It's embarrassing, but no real harm done. This is probably the reason that actual newbies to the forum (as opposed to people in your position, with lots of posts in another section) aren't initially allowed to start threads in this section. It gives people time to learn how the forum works.
Take your lumps, let the thread die, and start seeing if you can build on what we already know. There are still lots of cool hacks and tweaks to be discovered within this OS. We do welcome newbies with cool new hacks, for sure. Just, please make sure it's actually new (for example, with anything relating to the registry, do a search on the relevant registry key). Also bear in mind that new threads in this section usually include apps or other simple ways to apply the hack (for example, not everybody can run WP7 Root Tools).
I honestly don't see the harm, and think you're all being a little douchy. This isn't just a place where the "regulars" come to pat each other on the back, there are plenty of us who had no idea such a thing was possible and would be (are) grateful for the post. I don't go digging through the registry on my own, because I know I'd break something. So this simple post showing me what to do and what it looks like is much appreciated.
What are you all worried about? That this one thread will bump your uber-super-awesome-cool thread off the first page? Give the guy a break. I've been checking out every interesting thread in this forum for 6 months and hadn't noticed someone posting this tweak in this way.
Nope theres assholes in this community too ! Im about to switch to Android altogether because of snobism of Microsoft (I cant blame Microsoft really) ,but like in the Android section xda has run out some of the best devs there was ,hell most of them arent even considered devs ,not sure why either, BTW that was a very clear and concise guide
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AWESOME! Would love to have an alternative. Would love to test it then purchase.
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While it may not seem like a lot, these functions, combined with designing the UI, also combined with figuring out how the Tapatalk service works and building a base to connect to various parts really has taken a lot of time. While it can get very frusterating at times, I am still working hard on it and hope to release a beta in the next couple of weeks. I'm very sorry it's so far away, I just underestimated the difficulty of dealing with the Tapatalk service.
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The choppiness is because of the emulator, it runs much better on my Lumia 900
I know XDA-Developers is in my recent forums list 4 times...
The UI needs work
This is only to show you what you signed up to test
I know it needs a lot of work - it's not even close to beta quality yet
Find the video here: http://youtu.be/fAUwTK00DEI
Thank you.
Seems far more responsive than BEP, so kudos there
I'm still waiting for the beta link to be active, can't wait though!
dear 1ceb0x
first of all i want to thank you very much for creating your great rom.
after installing it, it was the first time i had a responsive smartphone.
as we all know, android is open source and as the Apache License states, derived work must be open source, too.
so will you provide a source code repository or (at least) a downloadable zip of your rom sources somewhere?
this is less about obeying the rules, i'm just frightened, something might happen to you so you can't continue working on the rom and all your work would be lost...
he built it from source as in built from scratch
well - sure he built it from source - from HIS sources
this isn't AOSP vanilla, it's a modified version of the android source, so those sources must be republished
>>??
u can use the rom as base just as long he provides permission to do so
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u can use the rom as base just as long he provides permission to do so
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sorry, don't want to be offensive, but this is nonsense.
there's nothing to need permission for.
as long as it's an android rom (which it really seems to be), it is work derived from AOSP and there the license clearly points out what I stated.
(see http://source.android.com/source/licenses.html)
and even if it wasn't - this doesn't answer my concerns regarding him not being able (or wanting) to continue development.
wait for 1ce's reply as i dont get what you're sayin (sorry ) :angel::angel:
as for dev. he will sell his v so i think that's the reason he cant continue
:highfive:
when the time comes i will provide my sources. in the meantime, shpongle is yet to see some new updates.
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when the time comes i will provide my sources. in the meantime, shpongle is yet to see some new updates.
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Great to hear this... waiting for update eagerly as i need to give away this after flashing your final rom.
BTW i got my white nexus 4. Hope to see you soon there too...
@rolandkohn don't get me wrong but it's 1ce's decision. He is not forced to release anything because shpongle is a personal project. 1ce built it for himself and was kind enough to share it for free. If he pleases he can also remove the download links and you can't do anything about it. Hence the best approach will be to kindly ask him for source code and not talk about licensing or trying to force his hand. You can take the licensing part with HTC if you want to fight that battle.
ok guys just drop the topic b4 it gets ugly
i first wanted to write this as a personal message, but in the end (as a software developer myelf who wants his licensing terms be cared about), i think this is something important enough for everyone on xda to think about:
please - everyone here - don't get ME wrong...
it's absolutely not that i woud want to force anyone to do something.
as you can see in my first post i was just asking if he would release the source, as i was worried about the future of the project because he's getting a new phone.
for that part, this thread is answered to me. i'm fine with it, no need for further discussion!
now about the licensing part and - as it seems to me, some general misunderstandings here on XDA:
sorry, but you're so wrong. he definitely IS forced to release its source. the apache license (which applies to android) states so. those licenses aren't only about comercial projects, they are about using the original source and doing something with it - You can imagine it as a contract between google and the developer, google gives the sources out for free, but want the terms to be followed in return.
Everyone who is involved into development (and if it's even just using the rom) can be happy, that google is offering android (the open source parts) for free under the apache license. google invested quite some man hours (and money) into android and they've been so kind to let it be open source. anyhow this (the apache license) states that any modification to the source must be made public for everyone (in special the original license holder) to see the changes, to learn from them and to make things in their projects better. if any develper doesn't accept the licensing terms, you don't need to use the sources to do something with them.
btw - it's not my fault that some smartphone manufacturers (e.g. as mentioned htc) don't care about this.
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@rolandkohn I can understand that you are afraid that shpongle development might be over since 1ce has bought a new device and that you or anyone else would like to get 1ce sources to continue the development. My reply was about your tone. It would have been better if you asked nicely, instead of being (kind of) rude.
PS: are you sure that the licensing applies to all the projects? For example I am playing with CM sources and I'm building a ROM for personal use. Am I forced to make those sources public? I don't think so.
\Post doesn't belong here. Sorry
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It would have been better if you asked nicely, instead of being (kind of) rude.
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uh - did it sound rude to you? I'm really sorry then. It absolutely wasn't ment anyhow offensive and I'd like to excuse for this.
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PS: are you sure that the licensing applies to all the projects? For example I am playing with CM sources and I'm building a ROM for personal use. Am I forced to make those sources public? I don't think so.
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well - another very big excuse from my side.
i did quite some reading meanwhile and i have to admit - seems i was wrong.
please - everyone excuse me for my aggressive behavior, it seems i somehow mixed GPL/AL. :angel:
as i've read now, you're indeed allowed to even create proprietary work - so software you charge people for - out of AL licensed code.
this means that even HTC & such are fine with not releasing their sources, as long as it's not about GPL licensed stuff (e.g. the kernel).
facebook sync
do anyone knows how to sync clender and contacts with facebook
It readable for backer only. Did they have any rule about telling the other people?
update: now audio come to VLC Metro (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47650624&postcount=19). After the video part pass validation. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46405311&postcount=2)
We've been quite busy lately (VLC 2.1.0 release), but we have quite good news: we've finally been able to pass the validation for the Application, as you can see here:
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As you might see, we did that a couple of weeks ago, but we wanted to fix an important issue before sharing it with you. We were not able to do as fast as we wanted, so we do the update anyway
We were able to integrate a new networking layer, without violating the Store guidelines, work-around the threading limitations (with a hack, though) and rewrite some more code.
So far, the main issue is that to pass the validation, we had to cut the audio completely.
Who needs audio to play a movie anyway?
We have a theoretical solution, but it still fails for unknown reasons.
We are working on fixing this audio issue and we will share a build to you backers, as soon as it is done.
Thanks for the support.
VLC team
PS: we've received some goodies back, because of wrong addresses, so if you have not received yours, mail us!
Hello my friends
I contacted the vlc-devs via E-Mail and they allowed me to post their answer
My Mail:
Dear VLC-Team
I love your work and I’m using VLC-Media Player for many years now
I have read about your partial port for WinRT, but me and a lot of People in the xda-developer Forum ask ourself if you are talking about Windows RT, because it is stated that it is for Windows 8 etc.(x86-x64) and not ARM.
Are you going to release a port for WindowsRT (arm) usable on a device like Surface RT-Tablet?
If you answer me please tell me, if i’m allowed to post your answer in the xda-forum or not.
Gratefully
Blade
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Their answer:
On 13 Oct, Yeon Blade wrote :
> I have read about your partial port for WinRT, but me and a lot of People in the xda-developer Forum ask ourself if you are talking about Windows RT, because it is stated that it is for Windows 8 etc.(x86-x64) and not ARM.
The plan is:
First, build for WinRT. On x86. And pass the store validation.
This is probably the hardest part. And a daunting task.
Then, recompile for ARM, when the toolchain is there (gcc or
VisualStudio) and get on WoA (Windows RT).
Then, port the UI to WP8, as much as possible.
> If you answer me please tell me, if i’m allowed to post your answer in the xda-forum or not.
Sure.
Oh, yes, WinRT, Windows RT, Windows Runtime, Metro, Modern UI: what a
naming mess!
Best regards,
--
Jean-Baptiste Kempf
http://www.jbkempf.com/ - +33 672 704 734
Sent from my Electronic Device
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I was sooo happy that they answered me, and I wanted to share it with you
Please delete my post if this is not the right place to post...
Thanks for sharing, though there's actually nothing new in there... it's been known for months now (ever since the kickstarter was funded) that RT and WP8 ports were planned, following the "Metro" (WinRT) build.
A much more interesting question, although one much less likely to get an affirmative answer, would be "any chance you could provide, or at least enable us to buid for ourselves, a version of VLC which is compiled for WoA (Windows RT) desktop?". Jailbreak obviously required, but screw "Metro" anyhow...
cx1, Blade. Thank you for sharing.
Hmm. I wonder what currently stops VLC from compiling for jailbroken Windows RT systems right now.
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Thanks for sharing, though there's actually nothing new in there... it's been known for months now (ever since the kickstarter was funded) that RT and WP8 ports were planned, following the "Metro" (WinRT) build.
A much more interesting question, although one much less likely to get an affirmative answer, would be "any chance you could provide, or at least enable us to buid for ourselves, a version of VLC which is compiled for WoA (Windows RT) desktop?". Jailbreak obviously required, but screw "Metro" anyhow...
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Just send a new email with that request
Cool, thanks. Alternatively, they could share the .APPX for any working versions they have, even if they use prohibited APIs and therefore aren't allowed in the store. It's not like the rest of us give a <REDACTED> for Microsoft's restrictions...
damn it, still no release date for my surface RT ...
GoodDayToDie said:
A much more interesting question, although one much less likely to get an affirmative answer, would be "any chance you could provide, or at least enable us to buid for ourselves, a version of VLC which is compiled for WoA (Windows RT) desktop?". Jailbreak obviously required, but screw "Metro" anyhow...
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That would be pretty awesome if they would release such a build!
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Cool, thanks. Alternatively, they could share the .APPX for any working versions they have, even if they use prohibited APIs and therefore aren't allowed in the store. It's not like the rest of us give a <REDACTED> for Microsoft's restrictions...
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My mail:
Dear Master!
Never thought i would get an answer, and wanted to thank you, for taking your time.
A lot of People were soo thankful for that state of Progress.
Since almost everybody is able to run unsigned code (thanks to the jailbreak), I was wondering, if you could provide an unsigned beta (store-independant) or enable us to build ourselfes, a version of VLC which is compiled for WoA (Windows RT) desktop? (no signing or modern ui needed)
I would collect all Feedback from xda and send it to you (perhaps some of us could do some work to help you)
With the most respect and gratefullness
Your Blade
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Their answer:
In order to compile for WoA, we need a compiler able to compile for WoA
and able to compile VLC.
So far, I don't know any of such beasts
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As far as I know, we got a tutorial for compiling with targeting ARM. Should I send them our tutorial? If yes, then plz give me the proper URL for the post, which could help them the most.
thanks mates
Blade
VLC is using MinGW, and MinGW has no support for RT. Only VisualStudio, and this will not work.
kitor said:
VLC is using MinGW, and MinGW has no support for RT. Only VisualStudio, and this will not work.
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Awww sad to hear, but thank you soo much for your answer. VLC for RT would have been tooo awesome
thats why i got in contact with the vlc-devs...
And btw thank you so much for your Notepad++ port
Surprised you havent given in and paid for one of the other apps by now
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Surprised you havent given in and paid for one of the other apps by now
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I'm surprised that this is not going to happen. I was always under the assumption that the VLC player for the kickstarter was for RT? How is this not going to happen now?
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I'm surprised that this is not going to happen. I was always under the assumption that the VLC player for the kickstarter was for RT? How is this not going to happen now?
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Follow the thread. They didnt say it wasnt going to happen.
These things take time.
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Surprised you havent given in and paid for one of the other apps by now
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Thank to ffmpeg port. But now I upgrade to Windows RT 8.1. I don't sure what will done before. RT 8.1 hacked, WinRT VLC or I paid for some app.
I am looking forward to VLC launching for WinRT and ARM too. Not top of my list though seeming as I am using a normal laptop with VLC on desktop and a regular desktop PC too.
Latest update: Now VLC Metro have audio
https://twitter.com/videolan/status/402479234695712768
hisoft said:
Latest update: Now VLC Metro have audio
https://twitter.com/videolan/status/402479234695712768
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Saw this a couple days ago. They did not add any updates to the Kickstarter page.