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how to connect windows Mobile 2003 device to external display?
Hello, I would like to know anybody can connect his WIN mobile device to external screen? do you know any solution?
I guess it would be possible to do if you install an external video card with S-video out, but do you know any video card that's easy to install? guess it should be an external.
or do you know any solution to make it with my PC video card?
I need to have my PDA screen mirror on the display I saw there are few device but they very expensive about $100!
Please let me know what you think about!
If you have a PC attached to the display, there is a free software from MS.
Also somewhat better commercial software (don't remember whose).
If it's just a display, you will need and SD TV out. It's easy to install, but I am not sure about the price.
Here's an example:
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SDV-841&cat=PDA
levenum, thanks for advice, I tried to search MS website didn't find one, can you advice what's the name of software?
I've found SDIO solution but I think it's pretty expensive so the MS free software would be the best. I just want to view my handhelp screen on my PC display and not for presentations and etc.
can you tell the name of software?
I do recall some time back seeing one that gives a live picture of the PDA screen on a PC, but I can't think of the name of it.
In the mean time, here http://www.fannsoftware.com/ is a screen capture utility - maybe not exactly what you want, but it's a start.
The Microsoft powertoy:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/wce/downloads/ppctoys.mspx#ELD
There are other solutions, but this is generally adequate for low-ish FPS.
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Just found it, did any one test it?
It claims to be able to connect to your pc web and exchange files.
My pc is down but trial app shows available space on the phone correctly.
Just having a quick play with it now. It seems to be able to create folders on your phone, although what use that is I'm not sure. Will see what happens
Nothing fancy going on here really. You can create a file explorer and do all kinds of file and folder manipulations in your apps isolated storage. You just can't manipulate anything outside of it.
Transferring files from your pc to phone and vice versa is rather simple to code. There's code samples on microsofts wp7 development forums.
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Nothing fancy going on here really. You can create a file explorer and do all kinds of file and folder manipulations in your apps isolated storage. You just can't manipulate anything outside of it.
Transferring files from your pc to phone and vice versa is rather simple to code. There's code samples on microsofts wp7 development forums.
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Fair point but that means:
1. It shows you can have access to storage without zune and that is all in all step closer to proper file explorer
2. Bluetooth pictures, music or document transfer is possible by means of an app so some one might make one
3. Using your phone as flashdrive via usb can also be made to work via app
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Fair point but that means:
1. It shows you can have access to storage without zune and that is all in all step closer to proper file explorer
2. Bluetooth pictures, music or document transfer is possible by means of an app so some one might make one
3. Using your phone as flashdrive via usb can also be made to work via app
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so for an eBook or comic book reader, they just have to make the reader able to import the files from the PC and store them in their own sandboxed area correct?
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so for an eBook or comic book reader, they just have to make the reader able to import the files from the PC and store them in their own sandboxed area correct?
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Yep seems that is the case.
It is very good news as that means we will have flashdrive apps or BT storage apps quite quick.
It will need to last till phone is hacked.
True... but you you won't be able to transfer files to/from the phone from any desktop computer.
Software will need to be installed on the desktop computer and the phone app needs to be setup to talk to that piece of software.
It is conceivable that somebody could write a single piece of software for desktops that could then communicate with any number of apps on the phone to transfer files between.
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True... but you you won't be able to transfer files to/from the phone from any desktop computer.
Software will need to be installed on the desktop computer and the phone app needs to be setup to talk to that piece of software.
It is conceivable that somebody could write a single piece of software for desktops that could then communicate with any number of apps on the phone to transfer files between.
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Well not exactly correct. With pcconnector yes but some smart person can make a app that takes control over usb and when you start it simulates flash drive rather then HTC HD7. USB knows what device is connected as that devices tells it what it is. All you need is a app that will say I am a X,Z or Y flash drive.
The same way original one worked diferance was it was showing SD card and for WP7 it would have to be a folder.
Mmm at last, the thing was discovered, and just experimentation is needed, so we can test the syncing (Cheack Thread Page 3).
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Mmm as I am far from a selfish guy, and have been asked about this, i think that i will share in an independent thread for anyone to see.
Note that this comes from my own ideas, not tested as i cannot use MTP protocol anymore.
[SIZE="5"]Responsability Disclaimer[/SIZE]
This may be agains DCMA or laws about reversing in your country. It's not probably being that way as is a development to interoperate with an unsupported OS (linux) and its one of the exceptions, but i'm not responsable for any liability you can have or imagine.
[SIZE="5"]What is this for?[/SIZE]
This is the procedure to follow before thinking in hacking the phone itself, trying to get to write and read files from the device.
It could faild and serve to no purpose or be gold, depending on the success of the tests.
In the best case, this will lead to the reading and writing of files at will to the device storage.
[SIZE="5"]USB protocol Pre-Knowledge (fast)[/SIZE]
I know you dont wanna know about it, and i am far from an expert but i must just express that USB devices support two operations:
[B]Bulk Transfers[/B] -> Big chunks of data, used mostly for the common data transfers up to 512Bytes per transmission (at a max/time).
[B]Interrupt Transfers[/B] -> Short chunks of data, used for changing settings on the device or short burst of information.
For your personal knowledge, MTP protocol instructions are bunch of hex codes and [U]they use bulk transfers for all of the MTP instructions[/U].
[SIZE="5"]Required items - Gathering[/SIZE]
- Working Kin
- Windows OS as host OS
- USB sniffer / monitor (I like Usblyzer, has trial for 30 days)
- CPU with virtualization capabilities (google how to check)
- Vmware
- Mac OSX image dvd (Snow leopard)
- Software & registration from MacSpace for Kin Media Sync
[SIZE="5"]Procedure[/SIZE]
- Unplug the kin & close all zune software opened.
- Install OSX in an vmware machine
- Install and setup Kin Media sync for mac
- Kill the process that launches zune when you plug the device ("ZuneLauncher.exe")
- Plug the kin now. Use a port where no other device is, so try to put it not together with other usb device like mouse/keyboard which could send packets and confuse the capture.
- Install and setup usb sniffer for windows.
--- Set it to sniff/capture at the USB port where the kin is (it's a tree view structure, so easy to see where to put the check). [U]Dont do it at the left of the KIN device!!![/U] do it on the bus/port as you will disconnect the kin later. Press start capture.
--- Open the zune software and visually check that the sniffer is capturing data (eeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssyyyyyyy as it appears there). If it doesnt, you'r doing it wrong, probably cause the port/bus issue.
--- Close zune
--- Reset the capturing (stop, dont save, start).
- Open the virtual machine if it isnt.
- In the virtual machine you should have Kin Media Sync installed, which autolaunches if you have plugged the phone (virtually).
- In the virtual machine window bottom right (vmware border) you will see an item with usb icon. Hover over it and see if the tooltip says KIN. If there are more, look for the right one. Right-Click on it and pick "Connect (Disconnect from host".
- Hopefully, the usb sniffer on Windows would turn mad and begin capturing data, while Kin Media Sync is opening on the OSX virtual machine.
- I cant remember if it does put the label "Connected" at the Kin (you should remember that window from the Zune syncing :P). If it does, close Kin Media Sync and stop the capture on the windows usb sniffer. Else, do a sync before closing (doesnt matter what).
- Save the captured log as a file (in my case, Usblyzer file).
[SIZE="5"]Yeah, but why this is better than other software?[/SIZE]
Other users (and myself) have tried software that uses the MTP software which has some success on getting info from the device but fail when it comes to do reading or writing to the device.
I guess it's probably because the rest of the protocol, the private part that microsoft uses (MTPz) has some control values through the usb that turn on/off device properties, among ones is the one to write/read files.
My first idea was to understand this through the Zune software, but as i said many times, it uses DRM (Janus) to protect the songs (sigh!) and the mtp specification varies if using DRM protection, so i can never find out a way to solve it, without hacking the Zune software cryptography itself (not my intention at all) or became an old man finding how to bypass it. In any case, the Zune software does a RSA challenge-response handshake to the kin before calling to MTP-OpenSession, i can assure that, so its out of reach.
On the other hand Kin Media Studio for the OSX has no official DRM and it can just do easy syncing, so it's pretty much obvious for a dev guy (i am, haha) that its an easiest way to replicate. So i tried to go that way and i was correct, so it just does normal operations through usb and control interrupts.
The problem is that the native sniffers from OSX only capture 16 bytes of data through the usb bus, so messages over that cipher were not reachable for me at the moment. I contacted apple USB master guys about getting a bigger limit, and the resumed answer was something (just much more politely) like: "you'r screwed & stuck with 16 bytes".
So the only approach is to emulate Kin Media Sync in an OSX virtual machine under a windows os machine for the best sniffer software. Another bad point for the fruit logo machines.... (and i'm an owner... imagine a hater!). Here is why I stopped, as my normal working device (laptop) is kinda old and has no VMX/virtualization support, so i couldnt setup the virtual machine for OSX, stopping all the needed setup.
[SIZE="5"]From sniffed data to magic[/SIZE]
At this point, comes the complicate part. Understanding & testing the packets sent to the device to make things work. This is the part where i was going to operate with a new device or my current one if it wasnt bricked/stuck.
The problem appears with this structure (what is on the logged sniffed session):
- Plug the device
- Device <-> OS Handshake (Interrupt/Bulk transfers possible)
- Kin media sync queries (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media write/read enable (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media MTP Open session (Bulk transfer)
- Kin media MTP GetStorageInfo (Bulk transfer)
..... more MTP xxxxx (bulk transfer)
- Kin media MTP Close session (bulk transfer)
- Kin media write/read disable (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media bye bye sync queries (Interrupt transfers)
(if unplugged, the ones below)
- Device <-> OS Goodbye (Interrupt/Bulk transfers possible)
- UnPlug the device
As some of you may realize, normal MTP software used didnt make the "read/write enable" cause the kin is not a standard device. So they fail. Once some person identifies which of this interrupt values make the kin "Connected" window shown and also enables it to be writable, profit comes.
So to test this and later make it published, you need a program to communicate with the device itself and do what some of you called "send hex codes to the kin" (which technically is "bulk and interrupt transfering values to the kin")
There seems to be none, so i code one from scratch and could polish it a bit and giveaway as a Netbeans C++ proyect.
I had some success and it works ok as i reused it(almost all the code) to operate my G15 on linux, iluminating keys and using the LCD pixels.
[SIZE="5"]This can brick my device?[/SIZE]
The short answer to this is NO. The long answer is no again, but cannot be sure of what happens enabling the the device settings while testing. It may become frozen and need to be restarted for example.
During the few test i made, mine refused to operate within my usb program and it was autosolved by libmtp-tools, which did a protocol reboot and it just work as is without doing nothing.
Anyway, i was aware that it was better than getting stuck with the phone "as is".
mmm All being said above, i just leave space for you guys to think what you wanna do with the info and questions that may appear.
Thanks but Hardware Virtualization came up as a no on my laptop.
I hope someone else tries.
I know I know I have to change my username as there are many similar and it gets confusing.
Thanks for taking the time for all the above text
I had a quick read-over what you put, but haven't looked at everything in detail. My wife had a baby yesterday morning, so I'm finding myself rather busy as of late.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to run some tests. Here's what I have access to right now (at home), with much more available when I get back to work in two weeks:
XPS m1530 laptop running x86 Windows 7 (dual-boot to Ubuntu 10.10 running as the Joli OS front). No Hardware Virtualization available for this system, though it can run VMWare for 32-bit Windows OS's.
Macbook Pro (Intel 64-bit archetecture) running 10.6.7 Snow Leopard. Can set up virtual machines if needed, using VMWare, but I'm not sure if that's necessary or not.
Powerbook G4 (PPC) running 10.5.x (latest 10.5 build). Can't run virtual machines, but can be used if another source is helpful to trace.
My personal KIN TWOm running the M OS build. Can technically be reverted back to the TWO (non-M) OS, but I'd rather not lose everything as it's my working phone.
My wife's TWOm, not activated. I can probably play with this more, as she isn't ready to use it yet, but I'd be in trouble if I bricked it.
At work, I have access to a number of different computers and OS's, as needed. I don't think this would be necessary, but they are still there.
John, can I ask where you're at? I've gotten the notion that you're not in the US, as you've said you don't have access to a CDMA network. Is there any way we can get your phone to a US Verizon store for assistance?
klamation said:
Macbook Pro (Intel 64-bit archetecture) running 10.6.7 Snow Leopard. Can set up virtual machines if needed, using VMWare, but I'm not sure if that's necessary or not.
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This has hardware capabilities (VMX feature), but you should have to install XP (or 7) through bootcamp and then install the OSX there, as the host must be windows. Anyway, you'r "lucky" as 64 bit machines can get up to 32 bytes from the usb bus, so 2x my limitation (not enough but more).
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John, can I ask where you're at? I've gotten the notion that you're not in the US, as you've said you don't have access to a CDMA network. Is there any way we can get your phone to a US Verizon store for assistance?
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I'm from Europe, so most phone network is common GSM with some 3G implementations. I didn bought the phone from verizon, so have no relation to them and hence, no way to give them the phone expecting a working return (why should they in any case?).
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This has hardware capabilities (VMX feature), but you should have to install XP (or 7) through bootcamp and then install the OSX there, as the host must be windows. Anyway, you'r "lucky" as 64 bit machines can get up to 32 bytes from the usb bus, so 2x my limitation (not enough but more).
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After I read the details of what you want to do, I thought the same thing. I have 64-bit Windows 7 set up on a bootcamp partition (I actually use VMware Fusion to run it, most of the time, but can natively boot into it, if I need). I have never been successful at setting up an OSX VM though, as it's not officially supported. If you have any reference on how to do it, I'm all ears. I'll do more research into it after posting this.
johnkussack said:
I'm from Europe, so most phone network is common GSM with some 3G implementations. I didn bought the phone from verizon, so have no relation to them and hence, no way to give them the phone expecting a working return (why should they in any case?).
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Considering the phone is less than a year old, it should still be under warranty. I know I've taken phones into their stores before and had them reimage them. I should try that with the KIN to see if they can do it (if the stores actually have the ability to reimage a KIN phone, indicating they have a ROM of it)
I could assist, I have a tri-boot of vista, 7, and OS X.
I doubt that there is a 128 bit processor emulator, let alone the OS...so wouldn't a solution be to use the same technique ,but "freeze" the process to collect data being transferred?
When I mean freezing, I mean slowing the USB data transfer speeds (using hardware underclocking, on the computer and/or phone)
@klamation
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-in-vmware-windows-7-9140301/
Also, it could be a hackintosh image, i guess. At least if it is able to install the kin media sync software...
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i didnt understand anything beyond the 1st line.
there is no need to slow anything as it was a OSX kernel limitation thing, period.
John,
Why do we need 64bit vmx capability to capture messages when the Zune Software is successfully messaging with 32 bit on windows machines? Obviously I am missing something important.
Dave
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You'r missing a more detailed reading of the first post.
Quoteing myself:
My first idea was to understand this through the Zune software, but as i said many times, it uses DRM (Janus) to protect the songs (sigh!) and the mtp specification varies if using DRM protection, so i can never find out a way to solve it, without hacking the Zune software cryptography itself (not my intention at all) or became an old man finding how to bypass it. In any case, the Zune software does a RSA challenge-response handshake to the kin before calling to MTP-OpenSession, i can assure that, so its out of reach.
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John, I was talking about halting the processor of the phone to allow the cache of data to be recorded and cleared. Once cleared, the processor will resume and the cycle can be repeated until the data is fully collected.
Anyway, has anyone found a jtag port on the board?
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John, I was talking about halting the processor of the phone to allow the cache of data to be recorded and cleared. Once cleared, the processor will resume and the cycle can be repeated until the data is fully collected.
Anyway, has anyone found a jtag port on the board?
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I guess that it would be feasible in a parallel universe. And not mentioning that it's a host os "problem" (st#### OSx), not the phone fault.
Also please posting random ideas without thinking about what you say. A jtag? really?
And in the random case where you can plug one JTag cable/homemade adapter.... how the hell will you use it? with what program? with what known hardware specific schematics?
We cannot handle a USB writing... forget about other access...
Trying to start up Mac OSX 10.6 on a dell 630 laptop but keep getting a cpu has been disabled by the guest operating system error. Maybe I can get a newer copy of MAC that will work.
@ kintwouser
If you are having problems, look for kexts oriented around vmware or your own hardware if you're using hardware acceleration.
@John
Ah. Well then I'll just hop into my Delorean that I modified to travel to alternate dimensions, rather than just through time.
Ok ok I'll try to resist irking you any further.
I just reread the Kin Media Sync to asure it, and you can install it over a 10.5.6 Osx which is the labeled "Leopard" (as is), so i guess easier to get.
Maybe a little hackintosh image would do the same thing, as we dont really need compatibility... as long as the Media Sync works i wouldnt care about having audio on the virtual machine, or networking.. whatever.
On my own plain of existance, i tried to follow the url i posted and went till 95% of the installation, but Virtual machine didnt keep installing, so i had to turn the pc (was about 3 hours). I guess i will try with another different image or my official leopard dvd's.
It's kinda weird in my case, using a macbook with windows to vitualize a OSX... haha.
I've been trying to install SL for about 30 hrs now with no success. I've tried three different versions. VMware 7 is OK here but ACPI errors keeps disabling the CPU during osx install. I have edited the vmx file to no avail. Some suggested that I need kext files but I can't install them if osx isn't installed. I'll keep trying as it is a quest now.
don't know if i am breaking the agreements of this forum since i didn't read it (ala the latest south park episode) but here:
http://tehparadox.com/forum/f51/snow-leopard-10-6-6-vmware-hackintosh-newbies-1973493/
No editing needed. You just need to get VMware Workstation from the official site and use that custom vmware osx image. I have tested it and it works. Now if only I had the phone I could really do some testing.
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don't know if i am breaking the agreements of this forum since i didn't read it (ala the latest south park episode) but here:
http://tehparadox.com/forum/f51/snow-leopard-10-6-6-vmware-hackintosh-newbies-1973493/
No editing needed. You just need to get VMware Workstation from the official site and use that custom vmware osx image. I have tested it and it works. Now if only I had the phone I could really do some testing.
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Great find, i'm downloading it atm. Well, i think they could have chosen a (mega)better site but's ok. Queued downloads.
I will try the "installation" in my bootcamped windows XP plus vmware and then kin media sync.... Now I need a phone too, heehehehehe.
John,
I got a 10.6.7 VM running on my Win7 bootcamp partition. I followed the steps you mentioned and was able to capture some USB sniff/trace logs of browsing the device and copying a file. (inexperience during the initial sync missed the bulk of the sync).
You can find the file at www.kyleandelin.com/KIN - let me know if this helps or if you need something more?
Phew, i saw a little pack of problems hahaha (unexpected!)
While i stopped doing this, there was a new version released (2.0) and its format is not readable with 1.6 (version i have).
Installing 2.0 didnt solved the issue, as it says that was captured with a 64 bitOS version and it's not compatible with 32 bits version..... The 2.0 is the first one that included the support for 64 bits.
Man, this is all against us haha.
So... possible solutions:
- Install v1.6. May not work on 64bit os
- Install v2.0 as 32 bit verison. May not work on 64 bits or may be autoinstalled and set to 64bits.
So... what to do from here:
Please, confirm my theory before going further.
- Perform a capture from unplug state (needs to be from start). Must include the plugin till kin shows the connected status.
- Stop the capture session.
- Check the captured data in usblyzer.
- Look for the first "Request" column with "Bulk or Interrupt transfer" value.
--- If there is no suck column in all the capture session, the whole process is futile (no MTP protocol would have been transfered) and we should rethink our options.
--- If there is, please check that its column "Raw data" contains at least "10 00 00 00 01 00 02 10 ... " or a very close value.
If i'm right, and the column matches, it means that usblyzer has successfully captured the mtpz OpenSession request. Also, if it was that way, the "magic" instructions would be the before it.
If there are more than 1 and it's not the first one, please check for it .
I am finally gonna get a new (working) device, so i think that things are going to be a bit fun in some time.....
This time, just MTP, no Qualcomm random options testing.. (hahahahaha)
So, this isn't about the Galaxy Nexus per-se, but I know many of you are scared of the change to MTP and the interaction with the computer, especially those of you coming from Gingerbread directly through to the Galaxy Nexus.
I've had a Motorola Xoom (which doesn't support USB mass storage mode) for a while. Simply put, there is _no_ native support for MTP in OS X (10.7 or lower). If you plug your Galaxy Nexus into your Mac, nothing will happen at all. OS X won't see it, DoubleTwist doesn't see it, Songbird won't and iTunes (obviously) won't see it. As far as I know, there's no way of enabling your Mac to see the device natively, and all of the software designed for other MTP devices that I've tried doesn't work.
In fact, the only way your Mac will ever see it is if you download Google's Android File Helper software. This program, once installed, runs in the background, and whenever you plug in your Honeycomb (or ICS) device, it pops up a window showing the contents of the phone's memory. From here (and only from that window), you can pull files from the phone/tablet or put them onto it.
This works acceptably, but with a few hangups. First, unlike a normal finder window, only one transfer can occur at once, and there's no queueing. So, if you drop one folder on to copy, you're not able to move anything else onto or off of the card until it's finished. Also, large transfers (~10 GB) don't work particularly reliably, and may fail partway through, so you may consider dragging files in in groups. Finally, and most frustratingly, it will often not be up to date with what files are on the device, especially if you've recently deleted them. So, folders or files may still show up that you've recently deleted. Maybe this has been changed in ICS (I hope so!), but that's my experience.
That's your primary way on or off the device. I've had limited success using DDMS for transferring files on and off of the device, and although it's clunky and requires USB debugging mode, it's the most reliable way I've found for transfers that fail in the Transfer client. In practice, I'd recommend using something like SwiFTP to copy (smaller) files to and from your device, and avoiding the hassle when you can.
In short, you definitely CAN use OS X to transfer files onto and off of your Galaxy Nexus, but it's not as easy as it was for Gingerbread Devices, and tools like DoubleTwist and Songbird can no longer access your device at all (in their current versions). You can get around this using AirSync for DoubleTwist to load music, or doing so manually, but it's kludgey. It's unlikely that Apple will choose to support MTP in future versions of OS X (it's a Microsoft protocol now used mostly by Android), but hopefully Google will improve the tool as time goes on.
Sorry if this is all well known and obvious, but if you were on the fence about the GNex because of this, don't be. The MTP switch is annoying, but nothing showstopping, even for OS X. Just FYI.
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I've had a Motorola Xoom (which doesn't support USB host mode) for a while.
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Which doesn't have USB Mass Storage mode (not USB Host - this is USB OTG where you can plug in other USB peripherals into the Xoom). Sorry just a pet peeve watching people confuse the two.
Thanks for an informative post. MTP looks like it is going to cause headaches to every non-Windows device by the looks of it. Ironic for a Linux based device ; ).
Jebus99 said:
Which doesn't have USB Mass Storage mode (not USB Host - this is USB OTG where you can plug in other USB peripherals into the Xoom). Sorry just a pet peeve watching people confuse the two.
Thanks for an informative post. MTP looks like it is going to cause headaches to every non-Windows device by the looks of it. Ironic for a Linux based device ; ).
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So WiFi File Explorer outta work though if your other ftp type app did?
Thanks for the info. I remember using the app on my MacBook when I had the Xoom. I didn't mind it too much, but it was a tad annoying having to open the app rather than just pop open 'finder' and go. FWIW it DID work just fine for my couple months with the Xoom.
So WiFi File Explorer outta work though if your other ftp type app did?
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Yeah, FTP apps of all sorts work fine. I use Transmit on the Mac to access the phone via FTP, and that works like a charm.
martonikaj said:
Thanks for the info. I remember using the app on my MacBook when I had the Xoom. I didn't mind it too much, but it was a tad annoying having to open the app rather than just pop open 'finder' and go. FWIW it DID work just fine for my couple months with the Xoom.
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It works fine to the internal storage. Maybe I should've said explicitly that I had more issues using the Android File Transfer app with the SD Card in the Xoom.
I'm glad Google gave this a thought, now they should make one for linux too, but they probably won't.
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iTunes (obviously) won't see it.
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My post is pointless, but hell will freeze over before iTunes recognizes a Samsung device, lol. If it wasn't for laws and standard, they wouldn't allow their PC to recognize Samsung devices either.
eksasol said:
I'm glad Google gave this a thought, now they should make one for linux too, but they probably won't.
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That's the nice part about Linux. The people working on Linux have an active incentive to add this functionality, as it improves the experience. With OS X, they have an active (marketing) reason to not add it, anti-competitive behavior. Don't give up hope
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It's unlikely that Apple will choose to support MTP in future versions of OS X (it's a Microsoft protocol now used mostly by Android), but hopefully Google will improve the tool as time goes on.
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It's a protocol native to the USB standard since 2008 so if Apple want to be standards compliant they should implement it. There are lots of other devices that use it as well.
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As far as I know, there's no way of enabling your Mac to see the device natively, and all of the software designed for other MTP devices that I've tried doesn't work.
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Those apps probably just need an update to libmtp.. for some reason that library has the device ID of every device it supports hardcoded in, rather than working out whether a device supports mtp in other ways as things like windows do.
If anyone has ported mtpfs to OSX you should be able to get that going (will probably do that myself when I get time.. Android File Transfer is OK but a bit quirky).
blunden said:
It's a protocol native to the USB standard since 2008 so if Apple want to be standards compliant they should implement it. There are lots of other devices that use it as well.
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Trust me, I'm not defending it, but I can't imagine Apple in its current state implementing a change which would help in supporting a competitor's product (especially Android) just to be open and compliant. Given how willing Apple as a company is to cut off its nose to spite its face, I doubt that they'll rush to help their users here. Prove me wrong, Apple.
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Those apps probably just need an update to libmtp.. for some reason that library has the device ID of every device it supports hardcoded in, rather than working out whether a device supports mtp in other ways as things like windows do.
If anyone has ported mtpfs to OSX you should be able to get that going (will probably do that myself when I get time.. Android File Transfer is OK but a bit quirky).
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I've tried working with the existing mtpfs ports, but wasn't able to get very far at all. I'm hoping that ICS will spur people to develop further on that, maybe pulling it into MacFUSE.
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Trust me, I'm not defending it, but I can't imagine Apple in its current state implementing a change which would help in supporting a competitor's product (especially Android) just to be open and compliant. Given how willing Apple as a company is to cut off its nose to spite its face, I doubt that they'll rush to help their users here. Prove me wrong, Apple.
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You certainly have a point and is the primary reason I dispise Apple as a company.
My main point was that it's not to be considered a "Microsoft protocol" as it's been part of the USB standard for years now. Nothing is stopping any OS from implementing it and as a standard they really should as it brings some nice improvements like not requiring the OS on the PC to have support for the filesystem used on the device. Considering FAT32 and exFAT are basically the only filesystems that work in all major OSes, the former being old and having severe limitations and the latter requiring a license it's nice to be able to use something like ext2/3/4 or any other filesystem of choice and still maintain compability.
Apple hasn't typically been particularly resistant to implementing standards and protocols used to communicate with 3rd party devices. Also, the major force behind Apple's resistance to just about everything is gone now... We'll see if they continue the trend without him.
Just bumping this again for the new crop of ICS users
So I've just gotten my VZW Gnex, and unfortunately, Android file transfer seems to have the same problems with not refreshing the files in the folder as it did on the Xoom.
That said, if you're trying to get into a given folder and your Android File Transfer can't see the contents (or the folder itself), just reboot the phone and when it comes back up, the new folder should be there and right as rain.
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OS X won't see it, DoubleTwist doesn't see it, Songbird won't and iTunes (obviously) won't see it.
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If syncing with iTunes is your goal, you left out iSyncr. Our app can sync Android 3.0 and 4.0 devices with iTunes on a Mac over USB (and WiFi). If your Android device is supported by Android File Transfer, it is supported by iSyncr.
As always, you can shoot me an email if you are having an issue with this.
-Justin
I seem to be having a new issue. All of a sudden, I can't sync anything to my XOOM. I had to unlock, and re-unroot it to install ICS on it. I don't know why, but everytime I begin a transfer to my XOOM Android File Transfer instantly says that my my device is locked and I need unlock the screen and/or it can't access the media storage device. It's really frustrating. I can't push the SU.zip bc it gets lost in between the "Ext SD Card" and the "Internal SD Card." Long story short... my Xoom boots into ICS and runs perfectly fine, but I can't finish the root process. Any help?!
Android File Transfer supports files up to 4gb in size. This may be why you are having trouble transferring files that are 10 gb. At least this is the case in OS X Lion
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Sorry for a kinda double post, as ive posted this in the noob thread, but I think its being overlooked.
When connecting to a PC, how can I get a normal file transfer mode?? the media mode is just too limiting, one file at a time, transfer with no ETA, cannot browse picture folders with image viewers.. "this file cannot be played are you sure you want to copy it" blah blah blah...
I'm sure on my old HTC sensation as well as media mode you had file mode.. but I cannot find it and I don't have usb 3.1 on my laptop only 3.0 so hopefully that's not the answer..
please help.. mostly after getting at my SD card without removing it from the phone as I can never find the "proddy thing".. not fussed if I need to install a third party app or other... but currently on stock EU rom non-rooted.
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Sorry for a kinda double post, as ive posted this in the noob thread, but I think its being overlooked.
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... im not sure if i can help you really. What is the operating system you are using there? MTP works for me in Linux aswell as with Win 10.
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When connecting to a PC, how can I get a normal file transfer mode??
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When connecting to a PC it should pop up a question about how you want to use the connection. So select Filetransfer and trust it with "Yes". And that s it basically. You can also find this in the notification bar... eh about what to use USB for.
Also be sure to have suiting drivers. IIRC they should be installed with HTC Sync Manager. Maybe installing HTC Sync Manager would fix your issues already?
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I'm sure on my old HTC sensation as well as media mode you had file mode.. but I cannot find it
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How old? I think this special mode you refer to was removed some Android releases ago already. Nowadays theres MTP. By all this speed of that USB ports nowadays intention seems to be initially that you do not have to unmount it in order to get all that stuffs you knew from past. I remember when my ONE-S got a update suddenly in past where exactly this step to MTP happened. Since the USB2 hardware in this old phone was a bit older and worse it became slower than before. Many ppl had been looking for a fix for this, since you could not enable it like it was before. IIRC one solution was to use a custom ROM. I can not recommend using a custom ROM personally.
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and I don't have usb 3.1 on my laptop only 3.0 so hopefully that's not the answer..
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No it is not. I m also having a 3.0. Still at least with marshmellow you would have to enable the fast file transfer with 3.1 explicitly in the case you really have such port on your Computer. And still theres some influences and things to consider to get optimum bandwidth.
But a 3.0 connection is usually not as crappy as you describe it now. So i would sugguest you:
- I assume a driver bad.
- Or Faulty cable.
- Maybe some setting in your file browser on the computer?
- Is the preview disabled maybe?
- Latest drivers for the phone? (HTC Sync Manager)
At very first i would try to get latest HTC Sync Manager for HTC10 from HTC website. Or if you are in linux, check your packages, udev rules and that MTP gets rolling.
Hope this helps a bit.
PS.: Try connect your Phone to another computer with maybe Windows 10 and latest HTC Sync Manager. Just to exclude that your computer or its software might cause this issue.
Thanks for the reply, my "old" htc was probably 6+years ago.. I think it was my first android phone, Recently I have been using LG G3 running cyanogenmod, so have always had a proper "file mode".. it was just like plugging in an external hard drive. I did not realise this was not a feature anymore in standard android.
The main problem I dislike is not being able to view pictures... If I open one picture from my phone or SDcard, then my picture browswer says viewing picture 1/1 even if the folder has 200 pictures in it, I cannot space/tab through the pictures, I have to close that one, then open the next.... I do find it frustrating only being able to copy one file at a time, and constantly having to tell it that I do want to copy the file despite not being able to play it, but those things I can live with.
I already have tried installing extra software and on windows 7, (I am running W10) but no luck
It just sounds like they want you to remove the SD card.. shame they make it so impossible to do.. I'll continue to hunt for a solution without custom rom.. and post any findings.
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cyanogenmod, so have always had a proper "file mode".. it was just like plugging in an external hard drive. I did not realise this was not a feature anymore in standard android.
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Yes! I think this i why they kept (keep) it alive.
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The main problem I dislike is not being able to view pictures... If I open one picture from my phone or SDcard, then my picture browswer says viewing picture 1/1 even if the folder has 200 pictures in it, I cannot space/tab through the pictures, I have to close that one, then open the next.... I do find it frustrating only being able to copy one file at a time, and constantly having to tell it that I do want to copy the file despite not being able to play it, but those things I can live with.
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How is it. How do you think about an alternative way to transfer data like e.g. from playstore Air Droid using WLAN.
Did you try another data cable, by all ports and operating systems?
And just in case. Do both of your computers feature the same USB drivers and hub? Maybe a driver issue.
I noticed one thing recently. When i connect with MTP and copy lets say: "400 MB pictures" taken with my old phone, spread on 97 files to the SD card it does not take long. But what takes long like 20 seconds after copying is done is that it shows previews. I have to really wait until it is done transferring.
So could it be maybe the case your phone does not finish somehow?
And yes the Windows Photo thingie does not see it as folder to slide through.
Meaning: i can not deny your issues fully.
Honestly what i totally love is an Plasma Desktop for linux is an software which called KDE Connect. You get WLAN connection to your phone and can even control the mouse. Do simple file transfers. And what i totally love about it is, is that it almost seemingless integrates into the Desktop. On the other End i think WIN10 does not feature such service (stock). Air Droid is one of those tools in this way which you can expand the computer expirience with. The preview and copying over WLAN is blazing fast. Plus you do not have to connect the cable.
But it requires a client/server and permissions on both ends. And thats what i dislike about the Windows side. It is not so seemless. And it is in the way of one of those extra services, running.
Also the speed of the SD card does in fact matter. Is it maybe one of the older generations you inserted?
The new SD's from this year are much faster and bigger.
E.g. read about SD card speed classes SDXC class U1, U2 and U3
Even if you can push 1 GiB /s through a cable.... if the SD only takes 96 mib/s...... lol
Maybe interesting to have a look at what about capacity / price is happening in 6 years.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10315/market-views-hdd-shipments-down-q1-2016/3
So lets say you was using a 6 years old SD.
Your phone is worth (lets say 600 $) but the SD is not worth any cent. In case the SD was so old.
This is how Android now is.
What you're looking for is USB Mass Storage mode. They removed that because it was a wide security hole where someone could just plug your phone into a computer and copy all your storage and mess things up at will. Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is all Android has now. Your phone memory doesn't just have your photos and music on it; it also has your apps, logins, systems files, etc.
The "file cannot be played" prompt that bothers you can be disabled in Windows. Just do a Google search on that. As for transfer speed, I'll bet you that it's a bad cable and nothing more. MTP isn't slower than UMS.
Good luck.
Thanks also.
I didn't mean to imply it's slow transfer. By limiting I mean it's holding me back. I like to transferr a 20GB video, and while it's doing it, go to my pics and view+sort them etc. But now I cannot. One at a time. Zzzzz..
It sounds like I will either need to investigate lineage again. (I'm unsure at this stage what I loose if I do, camera apps, mirror cast etc). Or perhaps buy a hand full of "proddy things" so I can more easily remove the SD card. I can never find it when I need it.
Thanks for helping me get my head around this alien tech/systems. I feel I understand now what's happening and why.