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Wi-Drive - Use direct WiFi bet PPC & hard disk

Imagine using Wi-Fi for direct connection between your laptop/PPC (and other end devices) to an external hard disk. Imposssible?
Just read this:-
http://www.edslab.com/products.htm
The product will be launched this coming July 06. Initially, it'll connect to your laptop/notebook. After which driver will be developed for PPC application.
No more expensive memory cards :lol:

You can also look at Asus WL-HDD - althogh this one have some advantages, like the battery and 1.8" size.
I just hope it will be released and that the price will not be too much.

RE
If I remembers correctly ASUS WL-HDD requires connection through an access point/router whereas the main selling point of Wi-Drive is its direct connection between end devices WITHOUT the need to go through the access point/router. However, you can also network the drive through an access point/router :lol:

I'm using Wl-Hdd since it's release to get my files from my pda. It's working like a charm. It is an access point and router, and you can make it a full linux server easily

Hi,
Just a question and a thought...
With the WL-HDD, is it stand-alone? i.e. does it have an internal power source - or must be connected via a power adaptor?
And can it connect directly to the HTC Universal (without need of a switch or router?).
My thought is, I wonder if anyone has tried to connect an IPOD to a PPC device? wouldn't that be an ideal external HDD device?
Michael G

michaelg said:
With the WL-HDD, is it stand-alone? i.e. does it have an internal power source - or must be connected via a power adaptor?
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The WL-HDD does not have built in battery, you need power adaptor unfortunately.
michaelg said:
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And can it connect directly to the HTC Universal (without need of a switch or router?).
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I haven't tried yet (still deciding if I should buy it or not), but since it's an Access Point it should connect no problem.
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My thought is, I wonder if anyone has tried to connect an IPOD to a PPC device? wouldn't that be an ideal external HDD device?
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IPOD is not Wireless, you can use it only as an USB memory device.
People had connected their IPODS to USB Host enabled PPCs like FS Loox and it worked fine. Unfortunately there are no HTC converged devices with USB Host functionality at the moment.

Wl-hdd work perfectly as a stand alone product with any PPC. I'm using it for 1,5 years now and it is perfectly working on my universal. No physical connection needed except power source.
As for the Ipod, if you change the wl-hdd firmware, you can connect any USB device in the USB port to get access to it's files. So you cannot plug the ipod to the universal, but you can plug the ipod to the wl-hdd then access it through universal

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Some pictures of Wi-Drive here:-
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/13/live-from-cebit-the-widrive-wifi-drive-enclosure/
The enclosure comes with a female connector for the hard disk which means hard disk like the 1.8 inch Toshiba (which comes with a female connector) cannot be used
That leaves us with the 1.8 inch Hitachi brand which comes with a male connector. Not much choice for the 1.8 inch hard disk since currently only 1.8 inch hard disks are only available from Toshiba and Hitachi

RE
Just spoke to the manufacturer of Wi-Drive today
They will release the drive this coming July. I think I can get one from them before it goes to the market
Capacity : Casing comes with 30 and 60 GB 5400 rpm hard disk (for 1.8 inch)
Best of all!! Can connect direct with PPC besides notebook/laptop. They've an engineering test unit. Just waiting for production now.
Here's the explanation using WiFi. The drive will be recognised as a web folder instead of a drive by the PPC. This web folder will consists of your folders and files and you'll have to use IE browser to access them. Power input is 5V DC using mini USB which means you can charge it from your notebook/laptop USB ports or any external battery pack whihc provides a 5V DC output.
WOW!! Can't wait to lay my hand on one of these

at least there responding to someone...
they dont respond at all to any mails from me :?
i dont know if i like the web folder thingy though...
would prefer if it just showed trough the file explorer, does resco explorer show web folders?
did they tell you the prices with the 30 and 60gb and without any HD?

at least there responding to someone...
they dont respond at all to any mails from me :?
i dont know if i like the web folder thingy though...
would prefer if it just showed trough the file explorer, does resco explorer show web folders?
did they tell you the prices with the 30 and 60gb and without any HD?

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"did they tell you the prices with the 30 and 60gb and without any HD?"
Nope. No pricing figure for the moment. They don't sell to end users because they're the manufacturer. The actual pricing will depend on the retail shops
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"would prefer if it just showed trough the file explorer, does resco explorer show web folders? "
No idea
I guess we just have to sit back and wait patiently

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OK, tested the WiDrive on my Universal today
Looks pretty cool...comes with Hitachi 1.8" 30GB hard disk
Managed to get it connected with my Universal using WiFi and access WiDrive using internet by typing a certain address on the address bar. The drive is treated as a web folder
Once login to WiDrive I'm able to download files to play (or save it) on my Universal
Also, can use my external 8800mAH battery pack (purchased from EastGear) to charge the WiDrive
Some issues though
a) cannot upload file from my SD card to WiDrive...hmmm
b) after playing a song I'll need to re-type the address at the PIE address bar in order to return to WiDrive
c) I think music and video cannot be streamed while playing on the Universal. What I mean is I'll need to download the music/video file to my Universal and the concerned program will be auto activated to play the music/video file.....have to check this further otherwise the drive just acts like another drive
Did not buy yet so no testing on notebook carried out. According to the shop streaming was done using the notebook as a driver is required to be installed on the notebook.
Well, I've discussed with WiDrive's boss on the above issues. Will discuss with their engineer tomorrow and feedback here.
Wow, its an experience. Cost about US$263
:lol:

RE
Sorry for the late reply
There're some changes. I'll be getting a 1.8 inch 60GB IDE Hitachi Travelstar and the Wi-Drive casing separately (cheaper this way) by this weekend. If everything works out fine I'll be reporting back
BTW, I was told by the engineer of EDSLAB that OPERA works better than PIE on their drive

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Sorry, due falls apart. For the 1.8" hard disk Wi-Drive comes with standard 30GB
60GB version will be released later
Some pictures of Wi-Drive here:-
http://sg.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3827
:lol:

Hmm... Widrive looks good, but WL-HDD is still better in my mind. It can run off a battery (all PSP emergency batterys work, imagine my joy at finding that out!) ,it has an ethernet port for intergration to home networks (you can use it as a wireless access point) and it has USB host, so you can share USB drives, webcams, everything. It also comes up to 100gb, and i bet you itll be cheaper. you could even swap in a 1.8" hdd into the housing and put the battery in the space left, making it a neat solution.

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I've bought the Wi-Drive but only for 30GB model and still testing it
Initial test with OPERA gives pretty good results :lol:

Where can either of these external drives be purchased?

berdinkerdickle said:
Where can either of these external drives be purchased?
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lol... i wouldnt buy one of those. Max = 100mbps on wireless. On wired USB 2.0 or Firewire = 480mbps or 800mbps i think. I use my diamondmax 11 or my cheetah scsi 15k rpm drive and it goes really quick. I put it on wifi by hooking it up to another computer and mapping it or just use remote access. Anything is possible nowadays, i dont have to tell it to you. But it seems this hard drive can exist independently when signal is available. I dont know how that works but i am sure you need a lcd display to select a network or to enter the key. Just like microsoft Zune? Why dont you guys go for microsoft Zune now that i think of it. ^^

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lol... i wouldnt buy one of those. Max = 100mbps on wireless. On wired USB 2.0 or Firewire = 480mbps or 800mbps i think. I use my diamondmax 11 or my cheetah scsi 15k rpm drive and it goes really quick. I put it on wifi by hooking it up to another computer and mapping it or just use remote access. Anything is possible nowadays, i dont have to tell it to you. But it seems this hard drive can exist independently when signal is available. I dont know how that works but i am sure you need a lcd display to select a network or to enter the key. Just like microsoft Zune? Why dont you guys go for microsoft Zune now that i think of it. ^^
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The point of these drives is mass storage on the universal. Read the thread before posting.

is it possible....if so how????

i want to run my driving hazard perception and theory disk on my phone
but obviously the lack of dvd drive is a problem
is it possible to:
create a fake dvd drive "folder" within the sd card "i know you can do it on a pc but on an orbit???"
then master copy the dvd to the card and run it from there without getting please insert disk errors
im thinking i may have to create some run txt's aswell
please help

anyone??????

i dont think there is any way of running normal PC programs on ur phone, mainly because the processor works in a completely different way...

ahh [email protected]

And you will fail the tests because you wont see the hazards with the small screen of the Orbit unless you plan to put the Orbit under a microscope while taking the test LOL

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There is no way you can run that program on a windows ce mobile device. Why did you ever think so? because your device is running windows? well the name that's about all that's the same between a real Windows OS and Windows CE. The program is made for a x86 architecture, your pocketpc is no where x86.

Movie mess

I am trying to downlad movies onto my dash but am having a lot of problems... I would like to know if anyone could explain or recommend something that i must not be doing...can hit me at email [email protected] also

are the movies converted / resized for viewing on your S620? what size/file type are they?

When you say you're trying to download videos to the dash, do you mean:
1. From the internet using wifi
2. From the internet using EDGE
3. From a computer using USB
or
4. From a computer using Bluetooth?
If one of the first two is correct, what kinds of videos are you trying to get and what exactly is the problem?
If one of the last two is correct, what problems are you having and what error messages are you getting?
When asking for help, keep in mind there's more than one way to do something and nobody here has your dash in front of him.

kilo313 said:
I am trying to downlad movies onto my dash but am having a lot of problems... I would like to know if anyone could explain or recommend something that i must not be doing...can hit me at email [email protected] also
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I use MP4 movies and usually try to get them 320x240 but that depends on if it (the movie) is wide screen or not. I use SUPER to convert them to MP4. As far as transfering them to my Dash, the fast way is to take out your SD Card and use a card reader (most movies are in the range of 200 to 300 MB and take take several minutes to transfer if you use Bluetooth or USB directly to the Dash) the use of the card reader also cuts down on errors.

How to transfer pictures from camera to phone

I have a problem, that I hope someone here can help me with.
I have 2 devices, a digital camera and a phone:
- Canon Powershot G10
- HTC Touch Diamond
The Diamond is capable enough that I don't always need to take a laptop with me when I am travelling. But I still need to transfer pictures from the camera to the internet. The phone can upload to the internet if only I could get the pictures onto the phone! So I want to find a way to transfer selected pictures from the camera to the phone *without* using a computer.
As I can see it, there are several different ways to go about this, but I haven't found a solution yet:
1) Find a device similar to the iPod Camera Connector that would let me connect the camera to the phone via USB. Note that it is not enough to have a device that copies all photos. I need to select which photos will be copied. Copying 16GB of pictures onto the 4GB phone is not an option.
2) Find an SD card reader that can connect to the HTC Touch diamond directly.
3) Find a bluetooth adapter for the camera that will allow file transfers.
4) Find some way (hardware and/or software) to make the phone work like a PictBridge-compatible printer, so that I can "print" selected photos from the camera to the phone.
5) Find some software and/or hardware that will make the phone work as a USB host. If that was possible, reading SD cards is trivial.
I have searched and searched for solutions to this problem but so far without a result.
Needless to say, the solution needs to be both cheaper than a laptop and especially smaller and lighter than a laptop. Otherwise I could just bring a laptop.
I hope someone here can help me realize the full potential of my HTC Touch Diamond!
Best regards,
Mikkel

without usbHost nothing can make the usb connector in the diamond be
and activeparty
it can interduce itself to the camera as usbMasstorage but can connect itself to anything
so your camera would have to be the activepart no matter if you PictBridge, sdcardreader or iPod Camera Connector
the extUSB on your device is miniUSB input only when usbHost is not supported
plus audio out

Thank you for your reply.
As far as I know, neither the camera nor the Diamond has the capability to act as a USB host. Connecting them directly is therefore probably not an option. That is why I listed the various things that I have thought could go inbetween.
The iPod camera connector is such a device: a device that can connect 2 USB clients to each other. Unfortunately it only works on an iPod (as far as I know). I believe it may be using the USB OTG standard.
I know that a standard USB SD card reader requires a USB host to connect to. That is why I was hoping to find a non-standard SD card reader specialized for use with Windows Mobile phones or HTC phones. There is no doubt that it is possible to make such a device - I just don't know if anyone has done it. It would be useful for many purposes.
Here are some devices that come close to what I want to achieve, but not quite:
http://www.usbgo.com/
http://www.cooldrives.com/usb-otg-adapter.html
The main problem with these is that I don't see any option to select only a few photos to transfer.
So I was hoping that one of the knowledgeable people in here knew of a solution.

doubt any cable it do it as the cable it would have to init the usb connections to both devices and handle which files where to be transfered from to where
that would prob require the cable to have a screen and input option which would
pretty much make it a compuer or a pda with usbHost
my bet is that ipod have usbHost otherwise it would never work
unfortunaly the many posts in the forum about usbHost include as many hits about
usbToGo
and as much or little success

Connect a Usb host device with the camera
Hi.
Do you know how I can connect a digital camera with a device that has usb host. I own a X7501 with WM6.1. I was looking for a solution to transfer my digital photos taken in my 7 MP Sony Digital Camera to my HTC, in order to send it by mail.
Thanks for any suggestion
Regards

yes Athena is one of the few htc devices which support usbHost
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334024
it should work just fine if the camera support usbmass stroage
otherwise it require a driver for the camera
also you may have to use a cable which get power from somewhere else
then the Athena as it may not able to provide enough power

Searching for a solution!!!
Rudegar said:
yes Athena is one of the few htc devices which support usbHost
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334024
it should work just fine if the camera support usbmass stroage
otherwise it require a driver for the camera
also you may have to use a cable which get power from somewhere else
then the Athena as it may not able to provide enough power
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Hello.
I try to connect my camera to the Athena, using the 4 in 1 cable adapter, It ask me for a driver name. I couldn't get anything.
Also I try to connect it via the docking station that has two usb ports for the USB HOST, in these I can connect a mouse and a keyboard. Also it has an external power, but the camera did nothing at all. I try to use all the connection mode that the camara has.
Also I try that some other recomend in this thread: USB Driver for Digital Camara.
I made a lot of search. Did you know somebody that can help me.
Regards.

you sugest you ask in the Athena forum
or pm some of the people who wrote in the
thread i linked to
as I don't have any first hand exp with Athena's or using usbHost

You can actually buy SD to Micro sd adaptors. I have one, they work really well.

Greenturtle said:
You can actually buy SD to Micro sd adaptors. I have one, they work really well.
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Thanks a lot for your tip.
I'm trying a USB card Reader, but I'm looking for a solution that let me use the 4 in 1 cable, in order to carry the less of thinks with the me.
Right now I'm using a little bag with all that I use.
Regards.

its really interesting and great fun to play games in this forum.best wishes!!
thanx
catus
RPG

simple answer
Get a micro sd card that has an SD adapter. Plug the micro sd card into the sd adapter and plug the sd adapter into the camera. Take your pictures. When you are ready to email pictures, pull the adapter out of the camera, remove the micro sd card, and plug it into your phone. You are ready to email pictures. Keep things simple and just carry the micro sd adapter and forget all the cables and stuff. A spare card is always handy, too.

File transfer mode NOT media device mode?

Sorry for a kinda double post, as ive posted this in the noob thread, but I think its being overlooked.
When connecting to a PC, how can I get a normal file transfer mode?? the media mode is just too limiting, one file at a time, transfer with no ETA, cannot browse picture folders with image viewers.. "this file cannot be played are you sure you want to copy it" blah blah blah...
I'm sure on my old HTC sensation as well as media mode you had file mode.. but I cannot find it and I don't have usb 3.1 on my laptop only 3.0 so hopefully that's not the answer..
please help.. mostly after getting at my SD card without removing it from the phone as I can never find the "proddy thing".. not fussed if I need to install a third party app or other... but currently on stock EU rom non-rooted.

stupink said:
Sorry for a kinda double post, as ive posted this in the noob thread, but I think its being overlooked.
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... im not sure if i can help you really. What is the operating system you are using there? MTP works for me in Linux aswell as with Win 10.
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When connecting to a PC, how can I get a normal file transfer mode??
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When connecting to a PC it should pop up a question about how you want to use the connection. So select Filetransfer and trust it with "Yes". And that s it basically. You can also find this in the notification bar... eh about what to use USB for.
Also be sure to have suiting drivers. IIRC they should be installed with HTC Sync Manager. Maybe installing HTC Sync Manager would fix your issues already?
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I'm sure on my old HTC sensation as well as media mode you had file mode.. but I cannot find it
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How old? I think this special mode you refer to was removed some Android releases ago already. Nowadays theres MTP. By all this speed of that USB ports nowadays intention seems to be initially that you do not have to unmount it in order to get all that stuffs you knew from past. I remember when my ONE-S got a update suddenly in past where exactly this step to MTP happened. Since the USB2 hardware in this old phone was a bit older and worse it became slower than before. Many ppl had been looking for a fix for this, since you could not enable it like it was before. IIRC one solution was to use a custom ROM. I can not recommend using a custom ROM personally.
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and I don't have usb 3.1 on my laptop only 3.0 so hopefully that's not the answer..
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No it is not. I m also having a 3.0. Still at least with marshmellow you would have to enable the fast file transfer with 3.1 explicitly in the case you really have such port on your Computer. And still theres some influences and things to consider to get optimum bandwidth.
But a 3.0 connection is usually not as crappy as you describe it now. So i would sugguest you:
- I assume a driver bad.
- Or Faulty cable.
- Maybe some setting in your file browser on the computer?
- Is the preview disabled maybe?
- Latest drivers for the phone? (HTC Sync Manager)
At very first i would try to get latest HTC Sync Manager for HTC10 from HTC website. Or if you are in linux, check your packages, udev rules and that MTP gets rolling.
Hope this helps a bit.
PS.: Try connect your Phone to another computer with maybe Windows 10 and latest HTC Sync Manager. Just to exclude that your computer or its software might cause this issue.

Thanks for the reply, my "old" htc was probably 6+years ago.. I think it was my first android phone, Recently I have been using LG G3 running cyanogenmod, so have always had a proper "file mode".. it was just like plugging in an external hard drive. I did not realise this was not a feature anymore in standard android.
The main problem I dislike is not being able to view pictures... If I open one picture from my phone or SDcard, then my picture browswer says viewing picture 1/1 even if the folder has 200 pictures in it, I cannot space/tab through the pictures, I have to close that one, then open the next.... I do find it frustrating only being able to copy one file at a time, and constantly having to tell it that I do want to copy the file despite not being able to play it, but those things I can live with.
I already have tried installing extra software and on windows 7, (I am running W10) but no luck
It just sounds like they want you to remove the SD card.. shame they make it so impossible to do.. I'll continue to hunt for a solution without custom rom.. and post any findings.

stupink said:
cyanogenmod, so have always had a proper "file mode".. it was just like plugging in an external hard drive. I did not realise this was not a feature anymore in standard android.
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Yes! I think this i why they kept (keep) it alive.
stupink said:
The main problem I dislike is not being able to view pictures... If I open one picture from my phone or SDcard, then my picture browswer says viewing picture 1/1 even if the folder has 200 pictures in it, I cannot space/tab through the pictures, I have to close that one, then open the next.... I do find it frustrating only being able to copy one file at a time, and constantly having to tell it that I do want to copy the file despite not being able to play it, but those things I can live with.
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How is it. How do you think about an alternative way to transfer data like e.g. from playstore Air Droid using WLAN.
Did you try another data cable, by all ports and operating systems?
And just in case. Do both of your computers feature the same USB drivers and hub? Maybe a driver issue.
I noticed one thing recently. When i connect with MTP and copy lets say: "400 MB pictures" taken with my old phone, spread on 97 files to the SD card it does not take long. But what takes long like 20 seconds after copying is done is that it shows previews. I have to really wait until it is done transferring.
So could it be maybe the case your phone does not finish somehow?
And yes the Windows Photo thingie does not see it as folder to slide through.
Meaning: i can not deny your issues fully.
Honestly what i totally love is an Plasma Desktop for linux is an software which called KDE Connect. You get WLAN connection to your phone and can even control the mouse. Do simple file transfers. And what i totally love about it is, is that it almost seemingless integrates into the Desktop. On the other End i think WIN10 does not feature such service (stock). Air Droid is one of those tools in this way which you can expand the computer expirience with. The preview and copying over WLAN is blazing fast. Plus you do not have to connect the cable.
But it requires a client/server and permissions on both ends. And thats what i dislike about the Windows side. It is not so seemless. And it is in the way of one of those extra services, running.
Also the speed of the SD card does in fact matter. Is it maybe one of the older generations you inserted?
The new SD's from this year are much faster and bigger.
E.g. read about SD card speed classes SDXC class U1, U2 and U3
Even if you can push 1 GiB /s through a cable.... if the SD only takes 96 mib/s...... lol
Maybe interesting to have a look at what about capacity / price is happening in 6 years.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10315/market-views-hdd-shipments-down-q1-2016/3
So lets say you was using a 6 years old SD.
Your phone is worth (lets say 600 $) but the SD is not worth any cent. In case the SD was so old.

This is how Android now is.
What you're looking for is USB Mass Storage mode. They removed that because it was a wide security hole where someone could just plug your phone into a computer and copy all your storage and mess things up at will. Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is all Android has now. Your phone memory doesn't just have your photos and music on it; it also has your apps, logins, systems files, etc.
The "file cannot be played" prompt that bothers you can be disabled in Windows. Just do a Google search on that. As for transfer speed, I'll bet you that it's a bad cable and nothing more. MTP isn't slower than UMS.
Good luck.

Thanks also.
I didn't mean to imply it's slow transfer. By limiting I mean it's holding me back. I like to transferr a 20GB video, and while it's doing it, go to my pics and view+sort them etc. But now I cannot. One at a time. Zzzzz..
It sounds like I will either need to investigate lineage again. (I'm unsure at this stage what I loose if I do, camera apps, mirror cast etc). Or perhaps buy a hand full of "proddy things" so I can more easily remove the SD card. I can never find it when I need it.
Thanks for helping me get my head around this alien tech/systems. I feel I understand now what's happening and why.