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Hi,
What case do people recommend to keep their Orbit safe? I'm stuck between the Krussell (which I have protected phones with before) , a silicon case (ebay item number 160068404562) or PDA Leather Flip Case (ebay 160068463414).
I'm tempted for the silicon as you still have easy access to the screen , but welcome any other ideas.

gavinlew said:
I'm tempted for the silicon as you still have easy access to the screen , but welcome any other ideas.
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Before reading your question, I was not aware of the existance of a silicon case for this model. Now I've looked it up at Ebay and am also interested. A couple of months ago I bought a silicon case for my mp3 player (different brand though, ZCover) and am very pleased with it. So far however, the seller seems only to ship within the UK. I have just asked him by email if he is able to ship abroad, no answer yet.
Update: he does sell abroad. Apparently he has more than one item on Ebay, all about this case but with different shipping methods. Anyway, I just ordered a black silicon case, due to arrive later this week. I will let you know.

hi
i have the PDAIR flip case and am very pleased with it. i prefer it to a silicon type as it gives the screen more protection.

I agree that a flip case does give more protection, especially to the screen, but isn't it annoying when actually making a call? I presume you don't take the phone out of the case before calling. To me it looks rather silly. NOFI.

Have a look for the aluminium (on ebay, under artemis/p3300) case for the artemis as I have just ordered one and hope it is a good fit for the orbit?

Not massively protective but the slipcase supplied with the 8oGB ipod is a perfect fit. I'm using it just now to avoid scratches until i find a good screen protector and silicon case.

JC#79 said:
Have a look for the aluminium (on ebay, under artemis/p3300) case for the artemis as I have just ordered one and hope it is a good fit for the orbit?
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has your aluminiun case arrived, How much extra bulk does it add, as I'm thinking of getting one. I already have a black silicone case which is very good, and a very tight snug fit, but no protection for the screen. If the aluminium one is not to big, then I would sell my silicone case.

Yes my aluminium case came through the same day as my last post and it does not add much bulk to the device. The only issue I have had with it is the stylus is covered slightly so to remove it you have to open the case and slide the phone up slightly. Apart from that great case would recommend highly to all those in need of a case. My case came in a Pdair box so I assume it is made by them?

I also have the leather PDAIR flip case and my only criticism is that it extends a little to much toward the sides of the base of the screen so that I must angle the stylus a bit at the edges.

mungosdad said:
I already have a black silicone case which is very good, and a very tight snug fit, but no protection for the screen. If the aluminium one is not to big, then I would sell my silicone case.
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I just had a look at the aluminium cases sold on Ebay but they don't seem to have protection for the screen as well? How is that different then?
Just like you, I ordered a silicon case last week and it arrived a couple of days later. I'm pleased with it, pretty tight fit, better grip, no chance anymore of scratching the camera lens when the phone is on it's back, and all the required openings are exactly on the right spot. Indeed, the only thing left is the absence of protection for the screen, but I don't carry the phone in a pocket together with keys or coins.

The aluminium case has a plastic screen in it to protect the orbit. You have to open the front cover to use the touch screen.
All of which is not a problem as I would advise anyone with a phone of this quality to purchase a screen protector ASAP.
I didn't use my orbit till my protector came through the post.

Hi All
I spoke to the lady in the O2 shop in Swindon about cases, she said that O2 will be releasing some Orbit specific ones in the next couple of weeks.
I have my fingers crossed.
Rich

JC#79 said:
I didn't use my orbit till my protector came through the post.
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The slightly scratched, fingerprint smeared and dusty state of my just-over-a-week-old Orbit screen would probably give you a heart attack then! Screen protectors don't come cheap, £10 for little sheets of sticky plastic... selotape is under £1 a roll! I'll just use some of that!

Has anyone on their internet travels come across a vertical leather pouch/holster for the Artemis that has a belt clip?
Something like this:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=21740
Just want something that can be attached to a belt and the Artemis slid into and out of - not for use in the actual case.
Must be vertical and minimal size (ie designed for the Artemis and no larger).

Krusell Vertica with Multidapt® - S-Wide

Selotape aside I'll almost certainly be going for http://www.pielframa.net/pielframa_productos.asp?id=1685 (mentioned on the other case thread) if I ever bother getting a case... can't beat something made-to-measure!

Just got myself a Piel Farama in black for my Jasjam. Looks very good and high quality but certainly requires getting a bit used to as each time you have to open the flap and fold it all the way back to get a hold of the device to take or make a call.
regards

Thanks Moleshome - that is exactly what I am looking for except my only concern (as with all "multi" cases) is that it will not fit it nicely and/or be the smallest possible case for the dimensions of the p3300. I can't think it fits all of the listed "compatible" models perfectly and I don't know if the Artemis would be in that category.
Anyone bought this particular case? Experiences?

Got my Piel Frama case today - it fits the Orbit well despite being designed for the P3300 (sharper corners).
Overall a beautifully crafted case which I will probably return as it won't let me store a credit card in the flap. My last case for the XDA Mini was a Krusell - hope they bring out an Orbit sepcific case soon....

strongp said:
Overall a beautifully crafted case which I will probably return as it won't let me store a credit card in the flap. My last case for the XDA Mini was a Krusell - hope they bring out an Orbit sepcific case soon....
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No good for spontanous gprs internet shopping on the go then?
I dropped an email to see if I could get one for review, fingers crossed otherwise I'll have to fork over some mulah or see what my birthday holds. (I've been a games/tech journalist for a while, which is nice)
Would be interesting to get a comparison of the Krusell and Piel cases, and maybe something a bit more on the minimalistic size. I'll see what I can do, but neither are contacts I've dealt with before.

Aluminium case for Universal

Has anyone tried the aluminium case for universal? Will appreciate user opinion as I intend to go for one.

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Has anyone tried the aluminium case for universal? Will appreciate user opinion as I intend to go for one.
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I'd also be interested in the answer to this, please!

I have an aluminum case for my vodafone v1640, I find that its ok although a bit of a pain when you're using the phone. Also you can't open it flat when you are charging it. But I can put up with that as I like the protection it gives what is an expensive bit of kit.

Triptych said:
I have an aluminum case for my vodafone v1640, I find that its ok although a bit of a pain when you're using the phone. Also you can't open it flat when you are charging it. But I can put up with that as I like the protection it gives what is an expensive bit of kit.
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Thanks. That counts it out for me.

I got a new aluminium case of flea bay for 99p + p&p of course.
I got it to protect my MDA Pro as I carry it in a work bag, its versatile as it opens flat (unless you have ear phones or usb plugged in), the case grips the keyboard part of the PPC but not the screen so you can twist the screen either way without hassle and. All the buttons round the edge of the ppc are accessable even when the case is closed, there are holes cut out for the camera & flash, but you can not see the whole of the display with the screen flipped and the lid of the case closed.

Aluminium case too heavy for the belt clip
I have used an aluminium case for a while because it seemed very practical, I have worn it with its belt clip. The problem was that the case was too heavy for the plastic belt clip and one day it suddenly broke at the weakest point. There was no mechanical impact, one part of the plastic simply peeled off from the other one and the case felt down.

Thank you all. I have made up my mind. Basically I am looking for protection. I am presently using an unbranded leather case with non removable belt clip. As I keep my exec in the pocket the clip is bit of an inconvenience as the exec can not be kept flat on a surface without removing the case!

I don't know what it's like for you guys around the world, but certainly in UK the accessories are awful, especially the case... couldn't believe after buying such an expensive unit, that's the best they could come up with!

SpyderTracks said:
I don't know what it's like for you guys around the world, but certainly in UK the accessories are awful, especially the case... couldn't believe after buying such an expensive unit, that's the best they could come up with!
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It is the same here and the ads are quite misleading. Very often the material supplied is not what is shown in pictures. Unfortunately, the choice here is also very limited.

[Review] Momax UltraThin Case

Just a quick review of one of the better cases that I have come across...for those who dont like TPU and soft cases were the lip around the screen would easily peel back, and dont feel like actual part of the phone...Seems to be the only option was to run with no case, or them clip on cases.
The Momax UltraThin is the best case for myself at the moment, offering all that I am after, a phone that is still slim, protects it from minor scratches...I admit, not much drop protection but then, even thicker cases dont always promise absolute protection.
Anyways, the case is well lipped, accurate and precise, the holes for the buttons are well placed and shaped, overall very easy, as if there was no case on. The camera hole is well flushed to the camera itself.
Most of all this case actually clips on very tight and firm, just the way I like it...there is no give or any gap or loose points like TPU cases or SGP Neos...its just a firm case, that makes you feel like you are holding onto a phone without any added bulk...
Plus, the paint job on it is absolutely stunning...pretty flawless, high quality product...for a fair price...Ill let the photos do the talking...
Cheers.

Nice and simple case. The price seems cool too, thanks for sharing the product, I'll have a look at it!

Looks very nice. Where did you get it from?

plisk3n said:
Looks very nice. Where did you get it from?
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I got mine on Ebay, shipping took about 1 week to New Zealand which is as slow as things get...

Also, is the material on the inside part of the case metal? I'm afraid it would scratch the plastic on the back of the phone if there's any rubbing.. ?

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Also, is the material on the inside part of the case metal? I'm afraid it would scratch the plastic on the back of the phone if there's any rubbing.. ?
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It is plastic, very smooth so I do not think it would scratch at all unless there is sand or other small hard particles between the case and phone.

What is different from other mesh cases ?

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What is different from other mesh cases ?
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There are no mesh that allows small dusts to get between case and phone I suppose? I believe it also comes in transparent as well...

Have the same case - price and quality are perfect. I like that comparing to original phone materials this case feels like good-old soft-touch back panel. Only drawback I can find is that this case can be scratched easily - after a month of carrying my phone mainly in the pocket there appeared lots of small scratches. I bet this is due to the material of the case.

is there any problem with voice conversation like other ebay cases ?
No gps problem ?

raver2046 said:
is there any problem with voice conversation like other ebay cases ?
No gps problem ?
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I havent had any issues with calls or GPS...

Not a fan of cases that expose the top or bottom of the phone so I am still looking while my S2 is in transit.
Thanks.

Cases

There is nearly only 3 types of cases out at the market.
First the hard plastic cases that are coming in 2 parts. There are the glossy ones and the trubberized ones in a wide variety of colors and styles at ebay or Amazon. The quality is OK but not perfect. What I like is the good protection in combination with the acceptable increase of size. The problem is that you nearly can't remove the front part of the case without breaking the very small bars fixing the case to the device. I like the rubberized ones most. They are looking more stable to me than the glossy ones. With the case it's more difficult to slide out the QWERTY keyboard. But it's acceptable. What I like very much is the protection of the on/off button and then loudness buttons. Because without the case I öfter press these keys withooany will.
Then there are the leather cases. There are horizontal and vertical ones. I tried to use the ones for the Samsung Galaxy S2 also, they fit. But of course not together with the hard plastic case together. For that I will try cases made for the HTC Sensation XL. I will share my experiences as soon as I get the cases.
The third category are cases that are blocking the hardware keyboard. That unacceptable for me. I tried rubber cases for the Samsung Galaxy S2 and it worked for one but the fitting is not not really good. The thickness of the device is quite different from most other smartphones.
Hope I could help a little bit and will share my upcoming experiences.

Thanks for checking out the cases, did they the leather/rubber ones block the camera at the back or did it have the correct position for the opening?

The leather ones I tried are for pulling out the device before use.
The rubber one I tried had a big camera hole on the back. But I forgot to check the other connector holes but if I remember correctly some cutting work has to be done. But this is possible with the right tools. Sharp knives and hole cutters for leather/paper.
Best thing is to try the case at a shop. Surely some fits better than others. But I think the Galaxy S2 category is the best you can get. The Galaxy Note ones could be also work, because it's taller but thinner.
The first category cases are made for the device and aren't blocking anything.

I wonder if anyone has tried the one-piece Speck cases yet (can't post links yet, but a Google search for "speck captivate glide" should bring up the page on Speck's site). They look good, but I'm curious if they restrict the sliding mechanism or block the keyboard at all.

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Just wanted to share my review, got a hard rubberized case on Amazon from ezbuy123. It's a 2-piece, snap-on. In the past, I've used Otterbox on EVERYTHING, but since they dont have an i927 case out yet, I figured I'd take a chance. The build quality is probably a 3.5/5 - it's hard, it's plastic, it's rubberized, that all is true. The edges of the case around the keyboard area are already starting to get chewed up, and the rubberizing doesnt have any real texture to speak of, I feel like I'm going to drop it when I use it. On the plus side, it isnt a weird neon color, and it doesnt add much bulk or weight to the phone.... All in all, I'd be pressed to give it 4/5 overall, it will definitely be replaced with an Otterbox if they ever decide to make a case for the i927.

Speck Sureslider Case
So I just received the Sureslider case today. I bought it for 24 dollars (from versiomobile before they charged 35 ).
Here's my review on it:
It's a one piece piece that has a hard plastic back with polycarbonate. On the front, it's made up of TPE (thermoplastic elastomer). The TPE gives the case a lip from the screen of the phone. It still slides when you put it on its face but not by much. Only the top part actually clips onto the phone. The back plate just kinda sticks to the phone.. somewhat. There's basically no restriction when you're sliding it, it feels like it's not even there. Regarding the top keys of the qwerty keyboard, it might've moved a nanometer, but not to significant to affect your typing.
Honestly, I don't think the price of $35 is worth it. I'd say it'd be more fair around 13 dollars. It also comes with a one-year warranty, so maybe that's where the high price came from?
The Sureslider case is technically a "one-piece" but when I got it, somehow the connection between the bottom and top part became loose and the top part came out. Needless to say, i thought it was going to be an easy fix. It wasn't . You can't just "slide" it into one piece since there's a hook and a little clip at the bottom to provide stability. After I managed to get the piece together, I went through the packaging, and there was this small instruction slip. It said "If the case becomes separated by mistake, align the two pieces and fit back together."
If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I got the rubberized texture case from ebay (shop4phree*). 5 bucks included shipping. Just to get something on the phone quick before I scractched it. I have to say for being so cheap it has help up surprisingly well. I was going to go for a higher end case at a later time but it's now going on 2 months and I haven't felt the need to switch. The only drawbacks I can see is it interferes with the smoothness of the slide out keyboard (requires a little more finger power to push it up) and the extra bulk it adds makes your top row of keys a little tight when typing(especially with big fingers).Ive dropped my phone a couple of times and it has held intact.
Im a cheap bastard so my $5 case works great for me.

Amzer cases
Well i managed to snap the feelers on my first case (the black rubberized one), so I've moved on to an Amzer case from Amazon. It's a 2-piece, snap-together advertised as "one piece". The build quality is probably a 3/5 - it's hard, it's plastic, it's rubberized on the back half, but the front half is clear hard-poly that looks awful (definitely not at all like what the pic on Amazon makes it look). It doesnt add much bulk or weight to the phone, but it is slightly bulkier than the previous case I reviewed. Hopefully Otterbox will come up with a case for the i927 soon, I'm quickly tiring of these cases...
L4T

http://www.daydeal.com/home.php?cat=6439
Haven't tried any of them but their stuff is good.

Body Glove Captivate Glide
I just received the Body Glove two-piece case for the Glide. It's $30 from AT&T, but I got it from All4Cellular for less (it's also on Amazon for even cheaper, which is a bit annoying as it was out of stock when I last looked there). It's pricey, but highly reviewed on AT&T's site.
It looks high-quality (none of that gummy rubber sort of stuff) and fits snugly. A bit too snugly, actually, as it was fairly difficult to get on and (according to other owners) nigh impossible to get off. On the plus side, that means it's not going to just pop off in your pocket.
The case fully covers the back of the phone (except for holes for the camera, flash, microphone, speaker, and buttons), and on the front, it covers the bezel. It doesn't interfere with the sliding at all, though the front cover does stick out enough to potentially cause problems with the top row of physical keyboard keys. That said, the keyboard side of the front cover has a little cutout at the bottom that may alleviate that problem a bit. I haven't noticed any major difficulties typing so far.
As with any two-piece case, there's a gap between the pieces where the phone slides, so it's not going to protect from anything getting between the phone halves. Also, it only comes in one color--a metallic blue sort of look--so if that's not your thing, you're out of luck.
I'd give it four out of five stars, knocking off a star for the difficulty in getting it off, though I'd recommend it for the build quality.

Does anyone know of a otterbox case from another phone that would fit this one for protection? (commuter or defender)

And what about silicone cases? Soft ones I mean..

There's a Case Mate Barely There case now available for the Glide, you can find it on Amazon. Did anyone try it?

Mom is with ATT so she picked the Captivate Glide cuz I have Epic. LoL Basically, she also want a slide-out keyboard.
I ordered this for her on eBay.
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=64678
One problem, the sellers posted different quality. Some say hard plastic and some say rubberized. I went with a seller that said rubberized with good reviews. $7 with free shipping. I'm waiting on that to arrive and see how it feels

Just a question, since I'm not a native english speaker:
what does 'rubberized' mean? Does the term refer to a hard case with soft grip or to a flexible silicone-like case that you can even bend and it keeps the shape?
Thanks

clpo13 said:
I just received the Body Glove two-piece case for the Glide. It's $30 from AT&T, but I got it from All4Cellular for less (it's also on Amazon for even cheaper, which is a bit annoying as it was out of stock when I last looked there). It's pricey, but highly reviewed on AT&T's site.
It looks high-quality (none of that gummy rubber sort of stuff) and fits snugly. A bit too snugly, actually, as it was fairly difficult to get on and (according to other owners) nigh impossible to get off. On the plus side, that means it's not going to just pop off in your pocket.
The case fully covers the back of the phone (except for holes for the camera, flash, microphone, speaker, and buttons), and on the front, it covers the bezel. It doesn't interfere with the sliding at all, though the front cover does stick out enough to potentially cause problems with the top row of physical keyboard keys. That said, the keyboard side of the front cover has a little cutout at the bottom that may alleviate that problem a bit. I haven't noticed any major difficulties typing so far.
As with any two-piece case, there's a gap between the pieces where the phone slides, so it's not going to protect from anything getting between the phone halves. Also, it only comes in one color--a metallic blue sort of look--so if that's not your thing, you're out of luck.
I'd give it four out of five stars, knocking off a star for the difficulty in getting it off, though I'd recommend it for the build quality.
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I got the same one from AT&T.
I agree with your comments. This case is much better quality than the no-name clear ones I've seen elsewhere. It is a pain to install / remove, but I like it tight, lol. I've had cases for other phones where it comes off easy, and they become a pain in the @ss.
They are the most expensive I've seen, but worth the price if it saves your phone from just one concrete ground fall.
-Am

hard case with soft grip
or you can call it a "grippy" hard case

rafeee2 said:
hard case with soft grip
or you can call it a "grippy" hard case
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Thank you

just ordered the 3 in 1 combo case/holster for about $18 with free shipping...hoping its worth the money, i like the idea of the holster but i have a feeling the case and holster will be made out of cheap plastic....

rafeee2 said:
There's a Case Mate Barely There case now available for the Glide, you can find it on Amazon. Did anyone try it?
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in their official site i cant find anything about that case, strange.

SOFT silicone case

Any recommendations? All I am getting are semi-soft cases, which slipped from my shirt pocket every time I bend to pick something, No damage to the phone yet, but I am afraid, it's inevitable. I've had those soft gel cases before, on my previous phones, and it never happened

https://www.google.com/search?q=mot...oft+gel+case&tbm=shop&spd=5070256072497072998

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https://www.google.com/search?q=mot...oft+gel+case&tbm=shop&spd=5070256072497072998
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Thanks, but the sites usually don't say whether its soft or semi-soft. I already bought 3 from 3 different vendors and they all turned to be crap.
I need users recommendations.
I know how to Google, no offence

Mokele Mbembe said:
Thanks, but the sites usually don't say whether its soft or semi-soft. I already bought 3 from 3 different vendors and they all turned to be crap.
I need users recommendations.
I know how to Google, no offence
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The one I showed you isn't shiny, and looks real soft. Go to amazon and read user reviews.

I am about to order a Moto G and will probably order this silicon case, which has gotten decent reviews from 3 users (I just wish it was available in black). http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Cell-Motorola-Rubber-Protector/dp/B00H2SJI1U/ref=pd_sim_cps_1

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I am about to order a Moto G and will probably order this silicon case, which has gotten decent reviews from 3 users (I just wish it was available in black). http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Cell-Motorola-Rubber-Protector/dp/B00H2SJI1U/ref=pd_sim_cps_1
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One of the reviews says:
This is a HARD Case. This is not a Rubber Case as it says in the Title, I don't have good expectation of it.
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The one I showed you isn't shiny, and looks real soft. Go to amazon and read user reviews.
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Which one? If I click the link I have tons in the search results.
Also TPU is not soft. Remove "TPU" from any search (google or ebay) and you'll find very few cases, all questionable.
There are still tons of SOFT cases for older phones like my Moto Defy
Here's one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YELLOW-Moto...t=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&hash=item4d17d423cf

I don't see any soft silicone cases for the moto g.

Have 3 cases now All garbage, very slippery.

Not much to choose from......bummer
I have just got a first gen Moto G......cant believe by this time since its release... that only 2 soft/flexible silicone/grippy cases can be found.
It's either the Body Glove one or the super cheap chinese one that is too flappy and dosnt fit tight enough cause it it too thin. The chinese one is grippy and soft. Im not sure about the Body Glove one as far as not feeling grippy enough. It appears to be nice and flexible yet more dense material than the thin chinese one.
I wish I could find a case for this Moto G that is made with the same material Bobjear uses. I have one on my N7 and it is nice, though some will not like its over sized bumper band and overall weight. But the type of silicone Bobjgear uses is the best in the industry for grip, fit for a soft material, and density for protection.
Anyone else have any info on soft cases for the Moto G that are not slippery? The cases are all TPU types or dual silicon soft with a slippery plastic 2nd layer.....
I want one that will not allow the phone to slip off my leather car seat when I am driving for instance.
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EDIT AFTER GETTING BODYGLOVE SATIN CASE (quick review)
So I was excited to get the body glove case for a few reasons.
1. it reshapes the bottom of the phone so it lays flat
2. has cut outs for the volume and power key making it easier to find and use quickly compared to covered ones
3. may be softer than the million other TPU type cases
But now after getting it......it failed in the one area of being at all close to anything soft or silicone. It is pretty much the same TPU type material as the million others out there. Though it has that etched/molded "satin finish" lines on the back, they only provide slight help in grip as the material is slippery anyway like the other TPU cases. It is nice that the molded cut lines on the side give it some decent feel and slightly better grip than a smooth TPU case.
The cut outs:
-All the cut outs are slightly larger than the few other cases I have seen in general.
-Charge port cut out is not at all restrictive to any of the many plugs I use.
- Headphone hole is plenty big enough to work with several different sized headset plugs I have.
-Mic holes are larger than the exit holes on the phone which allow sound to travel easy into phone.
- Power and volume cut outs are also wide as well. The opening off the bottom of the keys is done so
your fingers can rest and or quickly adjust as needed. It is also easy to do in the dark or not looking at the keys.
- Speaker and the Camera cut outs are perfect and not too big or too small, very well done.
As mentioned one of the aspects I like very much with this case is that you can rest the phone on its back and it does not rock or move around when you use the touch screen.
The lip of the case over the top of the screen is not tall, maybe 1-1.5mm above the screen. It also does not hang deep into the screen off the sides which would limit any swiping ability from any side of the screen.
Over all I like the case a lot, I just wish it was closer to being a softer silicone type material for grip in the hand as well as its grip on things like car seats, my counsel above the shift lever (that fake wood laminate) that i often set it on to use GPS while driving, and any other surface it may be knocked off accidentally like tables and such.
I give this Body Glove Satin case a solid 8.5/10 personal rating. All and all its nicer to use than the super thin flimsy cheap Chinese silicone case I got for $5. That cheap silicon one is still the only one I can find that is soft silicon entirely.
Still.......if anyone knows of a softer silicone case that is not whimpy....let me know. Not looking for a $35-50 high end one though.

Got one from amazon:
Mystcase (TM) For Motorola Moto G Rubber Silicone Soft Gel Skin Case Phone Cover + Screen Protector (Purple)
It is the soft squishy kind my wife likes... too bad no one is keeping the moto G.. not unlockable since we are on cricket, and stock android without root may as well be an apple device as far as I am concerned.

Looks like exactly what I wanted. Thanks a lot.

I have this. It's slippy but it has grippy sides
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WAVE-S-LI...t=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1e83adf571