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hi all!
i've got a very unstable xdaiii o2 uk
is the i-mate pda2 rom better?
i hope someone can help me cause its very frustrating!!!
thanks
Fantomas
personally, i found it better
Where can i find the latest i-mate rom????
I've found it better - though not significantly at least the lockups are less.
You can download it via:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23736&highlight=pda2+imate
Cheers
Ant
thanks Jim and Anton!
an other thing, i'm getting lock ups with tomtom 3+ BT GPS. i know about the turn off phone method to stop locking but whats the point of having a pda phone edition then! so its got to be an other solution!
does the pda2 rom stops the above problem ? cause the radio version on the pda2 is higher! by the way i've already uninstalled o2 stuff!
or should i hard reset and go corporate on xdaiii (to see if lockups stops) before changing over to i-mate rom?
lastly! are the programs on the PDA2 excatly the same than xdaiii? (i mean all programs identical)
thanks again!
i'm impressed with this forum and all of you on it!
Fantomas
On TT3 I found lockups dropped substantially once I'd hidden the POIs - have you tried this? TT5 (now that I've added the POI and the 5.10) seems a lot better.
Some programs are not included like in the O2 version, but then also some things are included in the ROM as standard like the fax viewer, and also a copy of Skype. CallerID and MMS programs are still there as they're integrated into the ROM.
Ant
Can someone please share their experience.
I am interrested to know how the devices perform in the Corporate install of the O2 and the JasJar.
Having used both I would recommend the o2 Exec ROM, I've ended up reverting back to this due to stability issues with the Imate ROM. Both ROM's will need registry hacks, go with the o2 one running in corporate mode.
The corporate with the code 0506?
Is the pocket MSN there on that configuration?
Which one is the most generic config?
a18041967 said:
Having used both I would recommend the o2 Exec ROM, I've ended up reverting back to this due to stability issues with the Imate ROM. Both ROM's will need registry hacks, go with the o2 one running in corporate mode.
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Is it possible to flash a Jasjar with the O2 ROM? If so will I lose anything?
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a18041967 said:
Having used both I would recommend the o2 Exec ROM, I've ended up reverting back to this due to stability issues with the Imate ROM. Both ROM's will need registry hacks, go with the o2 one running in corporate mode.
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Is it possible to flash a Jasjar with the O2 ROM? If so will I lose anything?
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Yes,you can flash any ROM to your Jasjar , you will lose your setting email..etc,others same as new.
I have just loaded my MDA PRO with the O2 ROM, and tryed all the possible installs (basic, Corporate with code 0506 and personal)
Only the Corporate one is really customisation free. I have myself bypassed the extended_ROM so now I have run only one cab the Default_Enable_VT_RTPlugin_0727_2_signed.CAB which is responcible for the video call. Strangely enough I have the same scin in the dialer as I had in the JasJar ROM...
Also as mentioned by... that by O2 ROM the splash screen is not installed it is not true, as right after the upgrade to the O2 ROM and the reset you see the O2 splash screen, which is untill now the nicest looking splash screen.
What I can say after 2 hours of using the O2 ROM is the following:
1. The amount of free program memory after reset is the same as by JasJar ROM.
2. The device is at least twice as fast as with the JasJar ROM.
Conclusion for now I am much happier with the O2 ROM. Much more stable and responsive.
As I am using Jasjar and after your comments I am considering moving to o2 could you tell me how you configured your Jasjar? Specifically, I am using my jasjar without the extended rom except for the video dialler and the bluetooth patch. It is generally running well except for the need to hard reset once in a while. When comparing with the O2 were you also using Jasjar without extenstion?
Thanks, apap
Having used both ROMs, I think they're essentially the same ROM with a few minor branding cosmetic mods... The two ROMs are only dated 2 wks apart and doubt there are any major differences.
To be honest, I couldn't find any performance gain or loose using either one of them and the O2 ROM seem to be slightly smaller in size (maybe due to the additional Imate games/themes etc?) So after going Imate ROM with O2 extended ROM, I went back to all O2 ROM..
I have a Jasjar. Due to the machine freezing occassionally on arrival of a new SMS I would like to give the O2 ROM a try.
I shall be obliged if someone can tell me that when I have installed the O2 ROM and would like to go back to the i-mate ROM would this be possible. What is the procedure to revert from O2 ROM back to the I-mate ROM.
I will appreciate your help
Regards
OK boys and girls...
I have tryed the O2 ROM the whole day yesterday and last night late reverted to JasJar ROM. Reason: maybe I did something wrong but in corporate install of the O2 ROM with the code 0506 but I had no pdf reader which is unfortunately a crucial software for me. I have tried to install it from the cabs of the O2 ROM and from JasJar ROM but it would not work. Of course the solution might be to get a cracked version. But that fact pissed me off so much that I have loudly cursed O2 and reverted to JasJar.
Observations: I have noticed that O2 ROM has more program memory when you reset the device but once you use the thing the amount of program ROM is the same as in JasJar. So the fact that just after the soft reset there is more ROM is actually not interresting. I also found that in the O2 ROM there is a problem with the start menu opening up first time after a soft reset (If you soft reset the device and then for the first time click on start it takes 10-13 seconds to open it up) and this issue was the biggest issue for me to change to O2 ROM. Pocket MSN seemed to work faster and is more responsive on the O2 and maybe overal performance is a little notch better then JasJar. The Bootup Splash screen on the O2 is much nicer then on JasJar it is really sharp and cool
Conclusions: If you like experimenting try out the O2 ROM because you get to see also (if you try out the Personal install) how badly an operator can F*** up the device, it is beyond my understanding but it is hideous their Launch software, the screen looks like a battle field and I get dizzy looking at it, the task manager which it installs is such a crap only due to a fact that once you close all the progs with the task manager the task manager is still running so to close it too you have to go to settings ->system->memory and close it from there. I can understand that the task manager which you can use from your today screen has to be running in order to work but this task manager you have to start by going to programs and starting it manually, It is comepletely beyond me what is the purpose of such a task manger, but hey maybe I am STUPID ???
The battery icon moved next to the start I can understand the handyness of this, but the O2 icon which does not do anything is also comepletely beyond my understanding. Plus when changing the screen orientation the battery and the O2 icons suddenly get a darker background and it looks like it hangs, but it only looks like it the device does not hang, but it is still an ugly sight to see...
If you opt for the Corporate install with the 0506 code I think you are fine the machine performs as it should, and is very stable, no O2 annoyances and no O2 **** to be seen apart from a couple of icons in the Programs. One of them is the O2 install which I beleive supposed to allow you to change your install type, without making a hard reset, but of course it only works in one direction, meaning that if you have a corporate install with the code 0506 and you want to change to standard or to personal it will work but if you are running the standard and want to go back to corporate or if you are runnning the Personal (full featuer O2) and want to change to standard it will not work. After playing around with that I have found that my simmanager and enroller icons dissapeared, but I was able to get it back by running one of the cabs. it was different with the pdf reader, since I need one I have decided to run that O2 install type thingy and chose first standard install which did not bring the pdf back, and then I have chosen the personal install which would mean that I should have now everything on it , the pdf icon was there but alais the pdf did not work I kept on getting an error.
One more thing when you install the CORP version the dialer skin is the same as by the JasJar so I beleive that that is the generic skin, since the O2 Dialer skin is very vague the buttons are beautiful, but have to much light in them so it is difficult to see the letters
SO I am back to JasJar ROM and I beleive will stick to it for a while.
The progs I run :
TT5.1
Resco Explorer
Skype 1.2 beta
Backgammon
Total commander
All installed on the storage card
I hope this not too boring and helps folks here.
srmz said:
I have a Jasjar. Due to the machine freezing occassionally on arrival of a new SMS I would like to give the O2 ROM a try.
I shall be obliged if someone can tell me that when I have installed the O2 ROM and would like to go back to the i-mate ROM would this be possible. What is the procedure to revert from O2 ROM back to the I-mate ROM.
I will appreciate your help
Regards
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I have done it and reverted back to the JasJasr rom no problems and I have an MDA PRO, so I am even further way from home.
Follow this thread to learn what are the procedures for upgrading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29354&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Good luck
The Exec ROM (basic and Corporate) do not suffer from a buggy Messaging app on the JJ ROM. The JJ ROM can cause the JJ to freeze on SMS notification and can crash when receiving emails over UMTS.
You mean the imate email app ?? or the bult in functionality. Because I do not have those symptoms. and I have received only today already about 12 sms messages.
About receiving the e-mail overUMTS: I use exchange active sync over UMTS and works like a charm without any problems...Maybe it freezes when using pop mail or imap? What is your configuration ?
And once again by the "buggy messaging app" you mean the imate e-mail??
Can someone confirm the presence of MSN and PDF inthe O2 Corporate mode ????
Thanx
Jasjar or O2?
I have also been wondering whether to try O2. Overall, after many trials I am quite satisfied with Jasjar. I have not installed extended rom except for bluetooth patch and smardialer cabs. I am running: pocketinformant, magicbutton, repligo, netfront 3.3, resco explorer, pocket mechanic, microsoft voice command. I have done a number of recommended register tweaks. I have also updated the radio to 1.04.
Speed is good.
Remaining problems: Once in a while I need to soft reset to overcome freezes. My main problem now is that I cannot install new programs or updates, nor can I remove programs.
It would be useful to find out how others are dealing with these problems and whether thos running O2 corporate are confronting similar problems.
Should I switch to O2 corporate? There seem to be conflicting views on the matter.
thanks, apap
Churchill:
You wrote a few things about Extended ROMs, Code 0506 (for o2 Corp. mode?), and about bypassing the extended ROMs.
Also there was a mention of bluetooth and radio Cabs...
I would be obliged if you could elaborate and explain them to me.
I have the o2 Exec and would like to experiemnt with the corp. mode since I find that in personal mode it freezes up all too often (not enough memory I guess...) but I wouldn't like to loose essential functionality by changing my ROM.
Thanks in advance
Well I am right now updating my MDA PRo from JasJar Rom to O2 ROM, since I still think the O2 ROM was a notch faster in the corporate mode.
I would not advice you to bypass the extended rom install as I found that some things do not work properly like the sim manager and pdf.
You are fine with the Corporate mode since it is the cleanest of all options including the JasJar.
Also Pocket MSN is more responsive in the O2 corporate mode, then with JasJar ROM.
So just go ahead and do a hard reset and choose corporate mode with the code 0506.
By the Way as I have already mentioned earlier the Boot splash screen of O2 is the best till now. Funny is that I was called by T-Mobile representative a couple of days ago and asked what I think about the MDA PRO. I have told him that MDA PRO with t-mobile customization is history by me and I am running JasJar. He warned me that if something happens to my device they can not help me now since there is no t-mobile rom available to flash it with (I do not understand that where is the release rom? did they loose it or something?) but I am still eligible for my 2 year warranty. He also asked why I have switched to JasJar, I have told him that the t-mobile customisation is crap and that the device was slow and unstable. He confirmed that and also saysd that this is exactly the reason why he is contacting me, since they aparently received a threat from one of the major consumer organisations in the netherlands. So he sayd that they are verifying the isue with the users and it does not look good since everybody complains. So hopefully t-mobile will release new rom soon...
Funny is that I have mentioned to him that I hate the hideous colors and boot splash screen of t-mobile rom, his answere was that the boot splash screen they are extremely proud of since it took a long time to come up with the design.... DUDE how long can it take to come up with something so hideous?
Anyhow....
P.S. I let you guys know how is my MDA PRo with O2 ROM
Adobe acrobat reader is available freely from the adobe site, in the same way as their readers always are:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readerforppc.html
HTH
The O2 Exec has OS 1.13.48, which has a memory leak bug. Commontime mNotes synchronization cannot free the memory after use, so a 3rd consecutive sync empties out all remaining RAM. This was resolved in OS version 1.13.53, which is on the Jasjar.
Yes, the Exec ROM seems a tad faster, but at least for me the memory leak is decisive for the Jasjar ROM.
Jasjar or O2?
Wiz, have you reverted to Jasjar? Also, I do not quite understand the memory leak problem. Does this mean that there is a danger of losing note information? Finally, any suggestions on how to resolve the inability to add new programs? Does this problem occur only with Jasjar?
Thanks, apap
Has anyone else had any issues with Tomtom Navigator 6 since upgrading to WM6 (offical SEA ROM)?
Under my old buggy WM5 ROM, it was perfect. As part of the WM6 upgrade I reinstalled it, and not it is unusably slow. It takes about 5 seconds between screen refreshes etc... you miss your turns by the time they are announced.
Does anyone know the cause or fixes? I've done a forum search and the problem has been reported on a couple of threads, but no real solution.
Some initial questions:
Under WM6, are people using the GPS manager in system settings? Or just pointing TT6 at the COM port directly? (What should the baud rate be set to?)
Is tngpseng.exe still required (never been entirely sure what this does exactly)
Does running it from the storage card (SanDisk 4GB) cause any performance hit? (I'm hoping not as my device memory is full)
The other chance I made is upgrading to the latest Australian maps. (Sinsis v675?) Are these known to be worse performance wise?
Does anyone else have Hermes, WM6 (official), TTN6, latest Australia maps working? can you post your settings?
Any help greatly appreciated!
Zilch said:
Has anyone else had any issues with Tomtom Navigator 6 since upgrading to WM6 (offical SEA ROM)?
Under my old buggy WM5 ROM, it was perfect. As part of the WM6 upgrade I reinstalled it, and not it is unusably slow. It takes about 5 seconds between screen refreshes etc... you miss your turns by the time they are announced.
Does anyone know the cause or fixes? I've done a forum search and the problem has been reported on a couple of threads, but no real solution.
Some initial questions:
Under WM6, are people using the GPS manager in system settings? Or just pointing TT6 at the COM port directly? (What should the baud rate be set to?)
Is tngpseng.exe still required (never been entirely sure what this does exactly)
Does running it from the storage card (SanDisk 4GB) cause any performance hit? (I'm hoping not as my device memory is full)
The other chance I made is upgrading to the latest Australian maps. (Sinsis v675?) Are these known to be worse performance wise?
Does anyone else have Hermes, WM6 (official), TTN6, latest Australia maps working? can you post your settings?
Any help greatly appreciated!
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MrVanx's BT Receiver Setup
Works fine with me.
TT v6.201 (Build 7160)
OZ Map v675.1431
Zilch said:
Has anyone else had any issues with Tomtom Navigator 6 since upgrading to WM6 (offical SEA ROM)?
Under my old buggy WM5 ROM, it was perfect. As part of the WM6 upgrade I reinstalled it, and not it is unusably slow. It takes about 5 seconds between screen refreshes etc... you miss your turns by the time they are announced.
Does anyone know the cause or fixes? I've done a forum search and the problem has been reported on a couple of threads, but no real solution.
Some initial questions:
Under WM6, ....
Any help greatly appreciated!
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Not related to WM6 but have you checked the number of Points of Interest that TT6 is trying to display. I use TT6 and have noticed no problems with WM6 so far - but regardless of ROM I found that unless I turned off the POIs that TT6 slowed right down and kept freezing.
Regards
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Not related to WM6 but have you checked the number of Points of Interest that TT6 is trying to display. I use TT6 and have noticed no problems with WM6 so far - but regardless of ROM I found that unless I turned off the POIs that TT6 slowed right down and kept freezing.
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Thanks Tony. I've turned them all off except the speed/red-light cameras and it does seem to have helped. (I won't know 100% until I take it out in the car, but it seems much faster at home on my balcony!)
The strange thing is I many POIs enabled on the previous install under WM6/older maps. Maybe the newer map is larger or something.
Does anyone know if custom POIs are more performance intensive than the build in ones?
I've had some kind of issue with TomTom since upgrading from Black Dymond (first to Magik and now to Satin). On the first upgrade I had to reregister my unit with my account to get access to my plus content (device ID change).
Now, I intermittently get a warning that it cannot find some file. I can't replicate it reliably and haven't had a chance to note the missing file. I suspect it has something with how TomTom is accessing info on the card.
My problem only presents itself when shutting down, so it's not a real issue for me. If it was, like yours is, I would first try increasing your caches. If that doesn't work, try going into the TomTom manager console when synced with the computer and remove everything (program, maps, voices, etc.) from your device/card and then reinstall it (make sure you have your disk or a backup, plus your registration code). If it has anything to do with lost file links, this should solve it theoretically.
I suspect your issues are due to either caching or lost links in TomTom itself, or both.
Tomtom has some problems with some wm6 roms not all.
My experience:
It worked fine with black dymond. No slowdown. No Problem.
It was painfully slow with black majik
It was OK with VP3g's v2.0 but after I added HTC home plug it slowed down considerably
Currently I am running latest Black Satin and TomTom runs just fine, stable, superfast, no freezes. This time I am going to stay away from HTC home plug.
You do not have shut down all of the 'nice to haves' (POI's) in such unnecessary and draconian fashion, quote "have you checked the number of Points of Interest that TT6 is trying to display".
Like Quist, I beleive the build of the ROM is much more at issue.
From my observations - Dopod / Black Satin / Sleuth's and Black Dymond are not at a problem.
I have noted significant refresh delays when using Schaps and Black Majik.
Good luck.
I've never seen TomTom run as fast as it does on my phone with vp3G's 3.0 WM6 rom.
I'm running TomTom version 6.100 (8330)
Im using Schaps 3.57a with TT6. So fast. Cold boot around 10s to 20s. Thanks
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
Bless u...
but u know almost every Tytn got slower when upgraded to WM6(it's not real WM Version6 but a Second Edition of WM5). According to a developer of Microsoft in Asia Research Center, WM5SE has a memory limit which only allows 32 process in a row therefore we can see WM5SE(the so called WM6) cannot handle memory well.
That's the reason why Tytn got slower...
can i downgrade to WM5 again?
sure
downgrades are don like upgrades...
Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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HTC site is a better choice...
bradlesliect said:
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
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Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
Itsdarts said:
Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
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Hi,
Clearly either I have done something wrong, or there is something wrong with the phone. Is there a particular order in which this upgrade should be done?
My PDA is slow opening applications and I am battling with Active Sync 4.5
It displays an error each time and I dont know what it means. I have tried to google the error but cannot pick up anything.
I want to downgrade to WM5. Where can I download it from? I only find the SDK version of WM5. Any ideas where I can get WM5 from. I dont see it on HTC website either
Any help will do.
Thanks
I'd begin by reading Mr. Vanx's downgrade guide
You can use some registry tweaks/settings to improve responsiveness of your device if your flash goes ok. Official release ROMs are slower than cooked ROMs - so your choice also matters. For me the performance of WM6 has always been superior in comparison to WM5.
I have tried all roms imaginable for my x50v, yet I continuously come back to WM2003SE...
So why do we bother updating to WM6, what are the benefits of WM6 over WM2003SE, i find WM2003SE can do everything WM6 can yet a hell of a lot quicker...
So my question is, why do you upgrade to WM6 ?
what benefits have you found ?
Many new programs now are WM5/WM6 only
WM5/6 is easier to sync with synce in Linux.
I've been using that WM6 A02 0PP rom for a couple of days and it's pretty snappy by the way, did you try it? If you did - did performance degrade over time or something?
Yes I tried it for about two weeks...problems found...
Initially all ran well...
wifi on, off, on then off to get it to work and sometimes said was connected when not.
Always use my Axim in meetings, with WM2003SE it never let me down when recording, making notes...first time used with WM6 0PP, it locked up under filesys (ok only a little but enough to interrupt and eventually needing a soft reboot) so basically let me down when I needed reliability.
Wisbar never worked, froze the machine
Battery seemed to last less than with WM2003SE.
Yes, as starkwong stated lots of new programs are WM5/6 only, and with the release of WM7 I think that manufacturers will stop supporting WM2003 at all. Besides WM6 is much more attractive when we talk about visual aspects, and it has built in power point for browsing slides.
If we talk about 0PP edition, in the Microsoft blog, there was written that 0 means that the device will deceide for you how much space is currently needed for pp, though as Maglite and guys from Microsoft mentioned it is not the best setting if you don't wont to use much MB's for pp. The best settings in that case would be, as Maglite suggested in one thread, 1MB PP version.
HC SD alone is worthy of the upgrade!