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Downgrade back to WM5?

My touchscreen has stopped working and I have upgraded to WM6. Due too "illegal" software on my phone it bounced at the service with a message that my warranty is not valid.
How can i downgrade my phone back to WM5?

Depending on your country/network, you may find an original WM5 rom on Wiki... this problem have ocurred a few times already, so do some searching... there's other threads out there on the subject already

search first then ask
PLZ search first then ask. Several times members discuss this issue.
READ and READ all about downgrade 2 WM5
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
good luck

You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!

LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.

basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.

LegolasTheElf said:
My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...

fair thread plz
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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Hi LegolasTheElf
If u mean me u r right, but not exact the same question.
Any how this thread for me is learning & updating my knowledge.
I learned me & just wane share my experience with another friends.
Thanx for your very nice word choice

I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.

MrSmith22 said:
I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.

All i want to say is thaT the guy who sent of his phone for repair with Wm6 on it, is an idiot. It wouldnt surprise me if M$ went after you. And as far as legolas i dont think he's that bad. Maybe the way hes acting will deter noobs away and prevent them from posting useless threads and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day

deviusdragger said:
and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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Hi dev
He answered me by this kind of words and heard me cos I just said “search then ask” #3
So I don’t know what’s wrong with this. NOW CALM DOWN and just go on friends

What the heck is this place coming to?

basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.

LegolasTheElf said:
Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
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Err... I called one person an idiot for making a joke which I thought was funny. The other posts were about people like you. Quit whining.

shogunmark said:
I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
@pvs - Thanks
@devius- A foul mouther never solved a problem
@MrSmith - Agreed
NOW LET'S STICK TO THE RULES OF COMMON DECENCY

basilrsa said:
Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
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Good. I agree. The n00bs should leave, and you with them. Go to HoFo or some other dumb site where everyone can have a great love-in and chat about all the different ways you can change your wallpaper, and how the Telco's charge you to change the wallpaper, because, well, it must be true because they sell it themselves online!
I'm not interested in group-think and silliness like this. The true thinkers understand the issue. All the little sheep on here that can't see past the drivel that's been force-fed to them by the state, the church, or whatever the hell nonsense you're believing, don't see it as an issue. They also don't see their actions as selfless. No, not selfless in the common sense. But in the sense that they have lost their sense of self. It's no longer decent for me to attack them, but it is decent for them to waste everyone's time by not searching themselves.
Everyone on here that is screaming that I and others like me are doing something wrong, while essentially condoning the actions of those who have no respect for anyone else, have got it wrong. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that you, the whining masses, telling me that I am doing something wrong, are the victims here. Victimized not by me or the noobs, but, by the very nature of society that says that it is better to be polite than to be honest. That it is far more valuable to be a sheep than a leader. Take a few seconds to think about what I'm writing, not merely to dismiss it. You'll see I'm right. You may disagree with the method, but, you can't disagree with the opinion.

basilrsa said:
Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
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Or you COULD do what I've begun doing. The forums have a neat feature called an "Ignore List". Mine currently has three individuals who have earned acceptance status, and yes, a couple of them are sadly regular contributors and senior members.
I also boycott their threads, and thus, I rarely see any of their posts. The only time it happens is when somebody Quotes their childish vitriol in his/her own posts.
Shogunmark has the best solution to the underlying problem, though. Simply DON'T ANSWER any ridiculous posts that show no-effort on the part of the poster. If you ignore something, it tends to go away. But any response (even a negative one) tends to be a positive reinforcer for the behavior you're trying to reduce.
At any rate, bringing the entire forum's professionalism down by showing how many four-letter words your can string into a sentence is not the solution. But as the members who practice this are limited in number and predictable, the Ignore Lists work a treat.
-pvs

pvs said:
Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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I agree. Definately. The third useless and irrelevant post made by a n00b on the same question should result in a ban.

Legolas,
You are right, the true thinkers do understand the issue. There are two issues though...the n00b questions and the pompous, intellectual snobs such as yourself who regularly ignore simple courtesies. If I wanted what is essentially verbal abuse, I'd go visit my in-laws.
I don't think anyone wants MORE n00b/repeated/irrelevent questions, but your delivery kills the message.
It's not better to be polite or honest but last time I checked, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Add a feature for senior members to mod their own threads?

I have no idea if this is even possible in vBulletin. I tried to google but didn't come up with anything so it might not be... but I figured I would make my case anyways.
It would be awesome if a senior member was capable of moderating their own thread. I know that as a rom developer for the cdma hero and a kitchen programmer, a thread can VERY quickly get out of control. It makes it impossible for someone that hasn't checked the thread in a few days (or hours) to find anything.
I think rather than asking a mod to take time out of their day to try and clean up posts isn't nice to them either.
So I'll ask... is it possible to add a feature for a senior member to be able to moderate a thread that they are the OP on. If it is but xda doesn't want to do that, what are the negative side effects that I'm not seeing? I figure if you are able to limit it to senior member and to their own threads then any shenanigans from this new power would mostly be avoided.
Thanks all!

This has been mentioned before. AFAIK, we have not yet found such a plugin.
Thanks,
Dave

The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.

~~Tito~~ said:
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.
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What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .

egzthunder1 said:
What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .
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Yeah, thats why I said its not a good idea.
You can already help the moderators by reporting anybad conduct, it makes it easier since all they have to do is look at the post and edit it or delete it or ban.

~~Tito~~ said:
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
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Very agree!!
or even 1000

orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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Yeah, or maybe like a automated PM that makes you submit a small paragraph asking certian questions and stuff. Respected people get it faster, newer unknown people take longer to get the status.

orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!

acidbath5546 said:
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I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!
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1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD

orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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8000+ = Orb3000 .

orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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I am an early bloomer and already there with ORD...
Life is tough...lol...
But I dont really have a problem I just......wait is that the HTC Incredible being released......lol

Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field

galaxys said:
Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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Yes it would. I think this should be more of a granted title, not earned, because some people still dont really act like it lol.

galaxys said:
Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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I agree, I was miffed that i got the title after only 100 posts, it's like who cares. Now 1000 would be much nicer, even though i'm only 5th of the way there

~~Tito~~ said:
8000+ = Orb3000 .
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8000+ still a noob

So it seems that everyone agrees, just with the caveat that the "senior member" should be a higher number of posts. Or possibly even a second level at 500 or 1000 posts, and THAT'S the level you have to hit in order to be able to moderate your own posts.
I actually tried to go post on vBulletin's support forum but it appears that you need to buy support in order to even be able to create a new post there? Kind of crazy. Ha. I'll keep looking to see if I can find a plugin, because without it this doesn't even exist as an option.
Thanks for the feedback all.
Edit: I don't know enough about vB's settings but according to ChopSuey (a vB coder) this should already be possible: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1919340&postcount=11. What he says makes it sounds like that would allow someone to modify any thread, and not their own. But you would think a coder of the app would know. Ha. Maybe it requires version 4.x? I know xda has been talking about upgrading for a while.

We're looking for a way in vB to allow certain people (of a given usergroup) to moderate their own threads. If anyone finds a way, please let me know!

it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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DrakenKorin said:
it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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That would require members to rate other members and even though the ability to do that exists (at least for threads), hardly anyone does it.

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8000+ = Orb3000 .
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orb is so deep into ORD that his can be considered a chronic case of ORD (and not because of # of posts)

[Q] Where are the moderators?

It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.

perdurabo2 said:
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..

nebenezer said:
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
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You were being facetious I assume. I'd be more than willing to do that math, but since you were able to find letters on a keyboard I assume you also can do it
P.S. I came in when I saw "lol, socks" in the preview. I still don't get it.

nebenezer said:
Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..
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It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.

perdurabo2 said:
It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.
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My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.

nebenezer said:
My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.
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Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.

perdurabo2 said:
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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LMAO!! I literally spit my lunch out hahahahahaha

perdurabo2 said:
Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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Having a great day, I just dont understand why you complain about the mods regarding a problem that you are contributing to with this very thread.
Take your own advice:
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Please don't start new topics to make random comments, use one of the many existing threads covering this topic.
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I think this is my 5th reply to this type of topic.
Your just adding to what your complaining about. A thread like this pops up almost daily.....
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

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Where are the moderators? I seem not to know how to use this forum?...
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The moderators are out not making new threads in a wrong place.
Alternative to thread-making altogether, just send them a personal message to get your issue resolved.
I like to type things... And you are reading this...
I don't know why you are reading this, but you did! [email protected]@ Level 2

perdurabo2 said:
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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hey why did you edit the original post?>

Tilde88 said:
hey why did you edit the original post?>
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I'm not sure that I did. Is there a way to see a version history?

im right here, everyday and night. i would suggest reporting posts that are in violation of forum rules. i do my best to read as many threads i can and at least drop in and check out the conversations taking place. that said i cant read every post in every forum. the solution to this isnt to start a thread in the spirit of complaining about things not going the way u want them to. the solution would be to take action and report the posts that are out of line. this is a community and every member of the community can report people. at the second a post is reported most likely a moderator will handle the situation.
so please instead of complaining. do something to help out. contribute something to the community. dont add to the problem by flaming back or starting threads to complain about it.
that said... this thread is closed and ill leave my answer for everyone to see. i alone cant see everything. but we all together can bring those who are here for the wrong reason to light, so they can be dealt with.
PS this was posted in the wrong section. Questions need to be posted in Q&A. hence the title of the subforum(Q&A)

[Q] [REQUEST] Recognized devs as moderators

Hello, i wonder if you can grant with moderation priviledges to Recognized devs???
I come from LG Optimus One forum, and as im reading here theres not even a moderator for our forum...
(I wont apply to become a moderator since i dont have time and i've never been a moderator before, so, next...)
Anyway, devs threads are flooded with spam and users askin the same questions again and again and spamming again and again... Old moderator "Zecanilis" performance wasnt good as well (forum was the same with/ without him)...
So i wanted to know if you can grant recognized devs from my forum (like francisco.franco, ciaox, mik_os, andy...) the power to moderate at least his threads...
thx in advance
PS: crap posts are increasing!! --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231440

There was recently a recruitment drive for new mods and if that forum currently does not have an fsm assigned then I'm sure one will be shortly.
Check the link in my sig for a comprehensive list of forum mods to see whether one is assigned to your devices forum.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......

And spam strikes back..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16949645&postcount=5921
They keep spamming spamming all day, and theres no one there to put order ,, whats the problem on giving some power to recognized devs??

A hero???
Hello??? someone reads this??? is conantroutman the only one there?? hello????
In the meantime:
Striking news: SPAM BEAST TOOK OUR FORUM AND THREATENS WITH EATING IT!!!... Wheres is the hero when we need one (or a bunch [i.e Recognized Devs])
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233991

Please, we need an active moderator . It is becoming unbearable amount of post about questions that were answered many times, other fights and other spam among other things is in the section of the P500

There is a discussion about that between recognized devs and xda staff... However, conclusion is that RDs can't have these permissions because the abuse is possible - e.g. devs removing bad comments and leave only the glorifying comments and make his work a masterpiece. I can't speak in name of xda staff but I hope it'll be solved somehow, but the problem is that it's hard to find acceptable solution for everyone.

Blagus said:
conclusion is that RDs can't have these permissions because the abuse is possible - e.g. devs removing bad comments and leave only the glorifying comments and make his work a masterpiece.
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Well, its that or spamming... and certainly not all RD's have this glorifying attitude...
Also if they r granted w/ powers just to manage their threads that would not be an issue since general forum exist, reports functions exist, and it would be easy to track a bad developer and bring his work down...
Also the fact that spam users are in a much bigger proportion than RD's...
IMHO...

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Please, we need an active moderator . It is becoming unbearable amount of post about questions that were answered many times, other fights and other spam among other things is in the section of the P500
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I agree. The lack of an active moderator is the real problem. Giving the RD this responsibility would cause more harm than good.
I found out in the Mods list that we can PM the Senior Mods for reporting for problems, as there is no one assigned. Let´s do so then.

kbzona said:
Well, its that or spamming... and certainly not all RD's have this glorifying attitude...
Also if they r granted w/ powers just to manage their threads that would not be an issue since general forum exist, reports functions exist, and it would be easy to track a bad developer and bring his work down...
Also the fact that spam users are in a much bigger proportion than RD's...
IMHO...
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It has always been the case that moderators who are also developers are not allowed to moderate their own threads.
This is a clear cut conflict of interest.
Bottom line is that RD's will probably never be given such priviledges as that would contradict long standing forum rules.
In other news.....
I'm going to PM MikeChannon (forum admin extraordinaire) and volunteer to help you guys out.
Watch this space.

Thank you Conan, yes, we are hoping to fill Moderator vacancies in a week, maybe two. The Committee that sifts through Moderator Applicants has had an unprecedented number to look through in the last round. Normally we get maybe 20 applicants, but in the last round we got 270 and it's not surprising it's taking longer to process.
Each applicant's posting history, helpfulness and other more general abilities have to be examined carefully and although we know some forums are having to be watched by Senior Mods at present, we think this is better than rushing in Mods who have not been checked thoroughly.
In addition some improvements to help Users report problems more easily will be rolled out soon, so please don't feel we aren't interested or don't care. In the meantime, you can still use the existing reporting system and it will still be seen by Senior Mods even if no Forum Mod is allocated.

[Admin/ MODS]More credibility for User with Quality posts

Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative, and share it with us. Over the years we have seen the impact the cluttering up of developmental fora had on the amount of energy needed to keep threads in shape or visible. This wasn't productive at all. We get that people might have experience from other fora and think this is a little over the top for them, but there are rarely any developers amongst the people that want to create new threads. There are a few people with a genuine need to post a thread in the developmental fora (developers), these people can contact a moderator to help them get sorted.
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I am an experienced Unix and Android user who has been on XDA for more than year. Then why less than 10 posts? I never needed to post, if i had questions i would search and get the answers. the problem began when i had to post in dev sections for questions or answers relating a particular roms.
i do understand why the limit exist and off-course u cant look into someone's eye and determine if he really is a spammer or an experienced dev.
So i came up with an alternative. the number 10 is fine . but it should be 10 posts + thanks + recomendations. Meaning... if i am a new registered user but an experienced dev. to get my 10 beers i would have to post usefull answers which would count as posts, but if someone clicks thanks it should could towards my 10 beers since it was a useful post. There should also be a "recommend me" button for all below 10 post users. where if other users recommend me for the 10+ group it counts to my 10 beers. So i could be allowed to post in dev section if i havw only 2 posts where i have been thanked by 5 users and recomended by 3 users. (5 +2+3) = 10 beers.... Let me know what you guys think
Promotions
This same logic can be used for promoting from Jr. Member to Member to Sr Member and so on.
you know i am a senior Member if i have only 20 posts but 80 people have THANKED them? just that unlike above recommendations wont exist here.
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I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)
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kkoolpatz said:
I am an experienced Unix and Android user who has been on XDA for more than year. Then why less than 10 posts? I never needed to post, if i had questions i would search and get the answers. the problem began when i had to post in dev sections for questions or answers relating a particular roms.
i do understand why the limit exist and off-course u cant look into someone's eye and determine if he really is a spammer or an experienced dev.
So i came up with an alternative. the number 10 is fine . but it should be 10 posts + thanks + recomendations. Meaning... if i am a new registered user but an experienced dev. to get my 10 beers i would have to post usefull answers which would count as posts, but if someone clicks thanks it should could towards my 10 beers since it was a useful post. There should also be a "recommend me" button for all below 10 post users. where if other users recommend me for the 10+ group it counts to my 10 beers. So i could be allowed to post in dev section if i havw only 2 posts where i have been thanked by 5 users and recomended by 3 users. (5 +2+3) = 10 beers.... Let me know what you guys think
Promotions
This same logic can be used for promoting from Jr. Member to Member to Sr Member and so on.
you know i am a senior Member if i have only 20 posts but 80 people have THANKED them? just that unlike above recommendations wont exist here.
And whats with the 8 post limit for the signatures?
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i believe its 100 post for Senior

Debel said:
i believe its 100 post for Senior
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i know that, but if you care to read the whole thing, you would know what i mean by 20 posts and 80 thanks (20 +80 =100)

kkoolpatz said:
i know that, but if you care to read the whole thing, you would know what i mean by 20 posts and 80 thanks (20 +80 =100)
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It isn't difficult to get to ten posts. This is a community, not a support forum. We want to encourage members to participate here in order to join the community. That as well as a way to combat spam are the reasons behind the ten post rule.

I understand what you are saying, but it's pretty easy to get 10 posts. I mean I have been here for about a month and I have over 100 posts. Doesn't take long at all, all I do is reply to questions that I can answer and hopefully help with. It's one way I can help here because I am still working on developing and no where near as talented as some of the folks on here.

While its pretty easy to get ten posts its also pretty easy for us to catch the people who go about it the wrong way and show them the error of their ways.
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conantroutman said:
While its pretty easy to get ten posts its also pretty easy for us to catch the people who go about it the wrong way and show them the error of their ways.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.......
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What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Member at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?

kkoolpatz said:
What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Moderator at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?
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Well that would be a decision for the admins.
I assume you meant senior member not moderator.
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conantroutman said:
I assume you meant senior member not moderator.
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Yes, corrected in my post. Thanks for pointing that out.

kkoolpatz said:
What about the promotions part of my essay? Again it may be easy to get 100 posts too, but hey... would'nt it be awarding to promote a user to Sr Member at 90 posts (plus considerable number of THANKS) because his 90 were better than the other users 100 post?
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Thanks count should remain separate from post count. The titles need reworking anyway, but your idea isn't half bad. Try raising the idea in the requests thread sticky.

Explain my post count , yes it's easy to get 10 posts
Herpderp Defy.

It may be easy to get the requisite 10 posts, but I still think his idea deserves consideration.
Though you'd really want a weighting system of some kind. For example, 1 post with 5 'thanks' counts as 2 posts, but with 10 'thanks' it counts as 4 posts. I don't know, something along those lines.

kiswa said:
It may be easy to get the requisite 10 posts, but I still think his idea deserves consideration.
Though you'd really want a weighting system of some kind. For example, 1 post with 5 'thanks' counts as 2 posts, but with 10 'thanks' it counts as 4 posts. I don't know, something along those lines.
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There is no reason to have the thanks count towards your posts. I'm in favor of it counting towards the meaningless titles that appear under your names, but that about it. It's really not that hard to get ten posts. I can't understand why you guys make it seem like the end of the world...

cajunflavoredbob said:
There is no reason to have the thanks count towards your posts. I'm in favor of it counting towards the meaningless titles that appear under your names, but that about it. It's really not that hard to get ten posts. I can't understand why you guys make it seem like the end of the world...
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Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?

kiswa said:
Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?
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The bottom line here is that we want members to actively involve themselves in the community, gaining ten proper posts is a good way to encourage this.
Theres also the issue of the thanks meter being essentially meaningless as someone could make two posts in off topic and easily gain ten thanks. (They'll thank anything in there )
I don't foresee a change to this rule anytime soon but I dare say that if changes are considered further down the line then this will probably come up for discussion.

kiswa said:
Maybe saying they should count as posts wasn't the right word, but having some kind of 'credibility' rating based on some weighted ratio of thanks to posts could certainly be a useful metric to determine someones ability to post in a restricted space.
I'd much rather have someone with 5 posts that has been thanked 30 times be allowed in a restricted section, over someone with 5000 posts and 30 thanks.
Of course, that all assumes people appropriately use the thanks system, so yeah.
I can't understand why people jump to hyperbole and assume some kind of personal attack is meant when others are merely attempting to discuss a topic of interest on a public forum. Weird, right?
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Once again, there is no reason to combine the thanks by any means into post count. I know what you are suggesting, but it isn't a good idea. weighting post count by means of thanks is opening the doors that were just closed for more spam. Why do you guys not see how simple it is to gain ten posts? Why would you not want to be a part of this community? That's what it's all about.
Also, I did not personally attack you at any point during either response, nor did I take your posts as attacks. Just because I point out flaws in your idea doesn't mean I dislike you as a person, just your one, singular idea by itself. Please remain civil.

I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it's fair to judge a member on other members' use of the thanks button. You still see plenty of people actually posting "thanks", and not clicking it.
This can't be quanitified so it would be unfair.

kkoolpatz said:
I agree that it is easy to get the 10 posts. what my second part of the thread is that. we should consider giving credibility to folks who post better quality of posts which are actually quite helpful. please bear in mind that i am not trying to say that we should combine posts and thanks... what i am saying is a person who posted 80 posted and got 40 thanks for the same deserves more credibility than the user who posts 100 posts with no thanks at all. and that since the prior user has better quality of posts we should consider promoting him to Sr Member. (giving credibility for the quality of him posts.)
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The problem with that is only that the titles under the names are as meaningless as the thanks count. Just because it says Senior Member, that doesn't really get you any new amount of respect or anything. It doesn't let you post in any new forums. It's just a title change.
We've long argued for a better title system here. We've also long been ignored on it. We've previously stated that this system that you are proposing is very much open to excessive abuse. The other thing is that simply making someone a Senior Member has absolutely no benefits whatsoever.

cajunflavoredbob said:
The other thing is that simply making someone a Senior Member has absolutely no benefits whatsoever.
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I agree. At 35xx posts They should call you the same as what they would name a person with 100 posts. the title system certainly need a big revamp.