Hi,
as many of you allready know, HTC released the new HTC Touch as a response to Apple's iPhone.
I looked at some videos on youtube and some technical specs of the phone.. and it simply seems a program that runs on a WM6. So it shouldn't be some difficult to port it to other devices, I don't think that the HTC Touch has some special hardware or touchscreen.
The only thing I read is that it has different touchscreen drivers, but that shouldn't be a problem: I already saw here on xda-dev many other ports or programming miracles
Ok it's a program native for QVGA... that sucks and could possibly cause many problems to port it on the Universal.
It could also be that it wouldn't have decent performance playing the animantions (page flip,...) because of the VGA resolution.
I don't know.... but I would like to create this thread in order to see the progress and the news of the Touch Technology (let's call it so) port on Universal.
Helmi, Midget and all other gurus of the universal... please help us with this cool Touch Tech
Videos of the HTC Touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9h3TRndhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8PMcvYTZo
...and here is some basic infos and some dumps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
I've to say that the today plugin and the rest of the menus are very similar to Spb Mobile Shell... the only thing more are the gestures that you can make on the touchscreen and the animations between the menus.
Ok let's go!
We'll see how it goes on now
So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?
Yep
markymanxxx said:
So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?
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Yep I think so too. It doesn't seem to me that there are significant hardware differences between the HTC Touch and other PocketPCs.
But let's wait and see what our gurus say to it
Sorry to dissapoint....
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys & gals, but over at the Athena and Hermes forums and some others over at 4winmobile have been looking into this for some time now and there is a major difference other than the .dll driver.
The Touch has a new technology screen that is completely different from what has been in PPC's before. Most of the software can be ported from the HTC Touch/Elf, and will work on QVGA WM5/6 devices and some conversions will be necessary for our VGA devices, but the actual Cube Touch GUI will NOT work without the right hardware.
see here for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459&page=3
mackaby007 said:
Been following a cool thread over at 4winmobile.com about the whole HTC Touch themes, cabs and interface etc...Looks like everything else is transferable, except the cube GUI, as......
Also...
Sorry peeps. Looks like new screen hardware after all But no one is giving up on an alternative.
Anyway, take a look at that thread anyway as it is very interesting all the same.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-announcements/9739-black-iv-shadow-preview.html
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have to confirm that it is new hardware, and that the plugins/programs have the resolution hard-coded into them so nothing useful for our uni yet...
interestingly enough though the biotouch (what they call it) calls use native windows mobile dll's (albeit new functions that previously were not in there, so we can speculate that this isnt a one off and more devices will be seen with these type of screens)
dll's and VGA
Basically when I see how they use this touchscreen I see no big difference between an old one.
For the cube GUI the system has only to recognize a "touch & drag" on the screen. If this function isn't in our dll's they could somehow be ported on our uni
But the most big problem I see is the VGA resolution.....
Anyone knows the HTC Touch specs? Has it some new and high performance graphic chip (perhaps nvidia or something similar?)
Because we have to consider that VGA = 4x QVGA (number of pixels) and as I know our beatuful Uni hasn't a luxus graphic processor. I remember some benchmarks and compared to other devices it had a somehow slower graphic chip.
I'm afraid that if we can port the gui to Uni on VGA it won't work with decent performance
Does anyone know more of the Cube GUI? Is it precalculated (only an animation) or is it a realtime rapresentation of the current objects flipping over the faces of a cube?
To be honest I think it's precalculated graphics... Why make it realtime and performance-cost? The cube turns very fast and it would very difficult to see the difference between a simple animation and a real 3d rendering.
And when we think how many open processes a user has on his pocketpc; I could easly imagine that if we only were listening to music with an mp3 player, with a resident antivirus (lol) and some other background apps....the cube would have big problems to be rendered at a decent framerate.
Ok these are only speculations, I have no idea of how the HTC Touch really works. I only saw the youtube presentation
If the cube won't be ported on Uni... I'll wait for someone to adapt Beryl for PocketPC eheheheh lol
Go on folks...
Greets
Touch on..... Prophet.
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.
Silver_Gost said:
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.
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Does the cube GUI work (even partially) ?
are there no news for the Universal??
Anybody can help me???
i`ve tried to install a cab Touch Flo on my hermes (Dopod 838Pro),but i`m confused...why it can`t work on hermes....anybody try before?
Sorry for my english
wow, shocking news.
how about search for the words "Touch flo doesn't work on Hermes"
August_Excalibur said:
Anybody can help me???
i`ve tried to install a cab Touch Flo on my hermes (Dopod 838Pro),but i`m confused...why it can`t work on hermes....anybody try before?
Sorry for my english
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Ok..*controlling myself* *wont flame you*
Welcome..
There are many threads similar like yours..
Try to use search..
and to get to your question, Why? because it just dont work.. It seems like hermes doesnt support TouchFlo but it supports ButtonFlo (if you ask me, buttonflo sucks!)
next time, use search
hehehe...have u try before???i`ve just do a hardreset since it doesn`t work.... sorry for my english...i know my english bad...ok...next time i`ll try to use search....thanks for ur suggestions...Bram87
Of course hermes can do the whole touchflow thing. We have a good touch screen that can record touch's, swipes drags etc.
The current problem is that the "touch" part of the current incarnation is made for a computer with a different type of screen. so just copying the files over doesnt work. it's like tyring to run a ATI tech demo on a Nvidea card. just cos both systems have XP, and have similar capable hardware, the calls from the software to the hardware are differnt.
However what I am really confused about is why anyone wants this nonsense on there ppc. Its basically a animated gif spawning over 3 screens. Its a shoddy gimik which has no true tie in to the workings of your ppc's apps.
Currenty problems regarding slowdowns system crashes etc is purly down to poor coding for this 1/2 baked interface.
Ribdool said:
However what I am really confused about is why anyone wants this nonsense on there ppc. Its basically a animated gif spawning over 3 screens. Its a shoddy gimik which has no true tie in to the workings of your ppc's apps.
Currenty problems regarding slowdowns system crashes etc is purly down to poor coding for this 1/2 baked interface.
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Cos it's kinda like the iphone, innit!
August_Excalibur said:
Anybody can help me???
i`ve tried to install a cab Touch Flo on my hermes (Dopod 838Pro),but i`m confused...why it can`t work on hermes....anybody try before?
Sorry for my english
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I like this site more of late. With so many new people, it's good for at least a laugh or 2 per day
Ribdool said:
Of course hermes can do the whole touchflow thing. We have a good touch screen that can record touch's, swipes drags etc.
The current problem is that the "touch" part of the current incarnation is made for a computer with a different type of screen. so just copying the files over doesnt work. it's like tyring to run a ATI tech demo on a Nvidea card. just cos both systems have XP, and have similar capable hardware, the calls from the software to the hardware are differnt.
However what I am really confused about is why anyone wants this nonsense on there ppc. Its basically a animated gif spawning over 3 screens. Its a shoddy gimik which has no true tie in to the workings of your ppc's apps.
Currenty problems regarding slowdowns system crashes etc is purly down to poor coding for this 1/2 baked interface.
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The part that is nice is making the UI more finger-friendly as opposed to stylus-req'd. E.g. I most like the ability to scroll thru my contacts without having to hit the scroll bar on the right. being able to "drag" the screen is what I want.
Thus, I don't care about the TouchFLO as much as I do projects like the ContactManager prog that someone developed. I want the programs (browser, contact mgr, music playlists, etc.) to be done via finger dragging, than stylus-to-scrollbar...
Originally Posted by Ribdool
However what I am really confused about is why anyone wants this nonsense on there ppc. Its basically a animated gif spawning over 3 screens. Its a shoddy gimik which has no true tie in to the workings of your ppc's apps.
Currenty problems regarding slowdowns system crashes etc is purly down to poor coding for this 1/2 baked interface.
Cos it's kinda like the iphone, innit!
hahaha....that`s what i mean...
i like touch flo coz it`s the iphone...
uhhhh....anybody can make it work on hermes?
please....
jomo25 said:
The part that is nice is making the UI more finger-friendly as opposed to stylus-req'd. E.g. I most like the ability to scroll thru my contacts without having to hit the scroll bar on the right. being able to "drag" the screen is what I want.
Thus, I don't care about the TouchFLO as much as I do projects like the ContactManager prog that someone developed. I want the programs (browser, contact mgr, music playlists, etc.) to be done via finger dragging, than stylus-to-scrollbar...
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Which is the reason why the HTC Homeplug is so useful.
August_Excalibur said:
Anybody can help me???
i`ve tried to install a cab Touch Flo on my hermes (Dopod 838Pro),but i`m confused...why it can`t work on hermes....anybody try before?
Sorry for my english
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it works on the hermes you just gotta let your phone get enough sleep first cause its a tiring process
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Which is the reason why the HTC Homeplug is so useful.
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And I have that working, in color, no less. I'm wating for the 6th button so I can drop the audio manager today plug in and have it in the same HTC Home space.
Seriously has anyone here used a iphone.. this htc touch is nothing similar.
I can understand the desire to use the ppc without a stylus, however this does not allow it. It's not even a pretty front end.. jerky 8 frame black and white fixed animation which isnt adaptive to personal modifications, which currently runs like crap on a 400mhz system.. c'mon..
The nicest feature of the iphone is the media side. "touch flow" which the htc touch doesnt even attempt to do.
incase you havent seen the htc touch in action.. this is it... Amazing.. sigh..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9SEarIN7HM&mode=related&search=
As soon as you decide which of the 3 limited screens you desire back to the regualr wm5/6 screens.
If the htc touch included a special touch media player that scrolled through your images, music, videos, contacts, emails, sms's, games, had a decent dialer/text/email interface..etc.. maybe it would be comparable to the iphone.. not neciserially in design, just function.
Dont get me wrong I love my hermes. It's versatility is what makes it great, I wouldnt trade it for a iphone.. well maybe I would.. just to sell it and get another ppc & holiday.
Now we have good stable operating system, sure a few tweaks here and there are needed, that shall allways be the case.. we should all poll idea's to design a great interface, and not waste time over a useless 3 screen cross device hack that doesnt really work properly.
Its not a easy task, but there are a fair few creative and bright sparks in the xda devs community. Starting a fresh is the way togo.
A nice quick introduction to the differences between the interfaces.. plus funkeh music.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk3wGFuQjC4&mode=related&search=
jomo25 said:
The part that is nice is making the UI more finger-friendly as opposed to stylus-req'd. E.g. I most like the ability to scroll thru my contacts without having to hit the scroll bar on the right. being able to "drag" the screen is what I want.
Thus, I don't care about the TouchFLO as much as I do projects like the ContactManager prog that someone developed. I want the programs (browser, contact mgr, music playlists, etc.) to be done via finger dragging, than stylus-to-scrollbar...
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Everything you suggest can be achieved with buttons and scroll wheel - no stylus req'd.
Home plugin is a performance killer and unreliable.
KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!
esseff said:
Everything you suggest can be achieved with buttons and scroll wheel - no stylus req'd.
Home plugin is a performance killer and unreliable.
KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!
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*sigh* to each his/her own. using buttons and scroll wheel "get the job done" but note the same for me.
Stuck on splashscreen after Touchflo install
Hi experts,
I'm currently running WM6 Black Satin since a few days and I'm allready addicted to playing with all kind of stuff. I came across Touchflo and installed it. When I did a softreset, I couldn't get my Hermes device past the splashscreen. I removed my storage card and and did another reset: same result, stuck on splashscreen. I'm not really interested in getting Touchflo to work on my device, I was just curious. But now I just want to get my device working again. So what do I do? Any advice is welcome
Now we have good stable operating system, sure a few tweaks here and there are needed, that shall allways be the case.. we should all poll idea's to design a great interface, and not waste time over a useless 3 screen cross device hack that doesnt really work properly.
Its not a easy task, but there are a fair few creative and bright sparks in the xda devs community. Starting a fresh is the way togo.
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http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11402
This is a good idea for start, found over on Lakeridgesoftware's wrbsite (the people who make Wisbar)....
wisbar is the untimate interface modding tool for the pocketpc but this 'itask' shows the potential for a new xda-developers interface to be developed incorporating all the best ideas we have.....
Im quite new to this, but I read somewhere that the HTC touch and all the touch series are not real touch systems like the iPhone in that they also allow the use of a stylus.
Does this mean that they basically use the same type of screen as the other devices and as such the Touchflow system is just a Software trick ?
That led me to wonder if the Touchflow system could be flashed onto other devices I have an XDA Exec (Universal) and an XDA Orbit (not sure of the HTC designation for this) so Im specifically asking about these two devices.
Thanks in advance.
Touchflo!!
If you search threads for Xda orbit (HTC Artemis or HTC P3300) touchflo, you can download the ROM to replace the existing ROM on your Orbit and this will allow you to use the touchflo on your phone!
I've been using it for the past few months and it's all fine at the moment.
I hope that enough info for you!
i have a htc touch for half a year now.
i have the mobile shell 2.1 customized in the diamond style. it works a lot better. but i have a question:
my brother did get his new diamond this week.
can i go to my computer then to my phone and copy all the files from his diamond (including the windows on his phone) and replace all these files on my touch?
so i get his windows and diamond settings directly and original (stock) on my touch?
is there anyone who has an answare for my question?
thanks a lot
nope
the diamond's files are cooked into the rom, assume a vga screen and different hardware, and 3d acceleration
so i suppose you could, but nothing would happen
are you GSM or CDMA. if you are CDMA then go to ppcgeeks there are people there working on porting all that we can from the diamond.
whats the diffirence between gsm and cdma? sometimes i get lost in all these names for those phones: touch, elf, pda, pocket windows etc....
but now that i thought myself about my question:
the phone needs to be activated befor you can connect to the pc. when you try to overwrite it says cant copy because "......" is already in use.
its damn. because i like the elf very much and also the diamond windows
thanx a lot
RC_jos said:
i have a htc touch for half a year now.
i have the mobile shell 2.1 customized in the diamond style. it works a lot better. but i have a question:
my brother did get his new diamond this week.
can i go to my computer then to my phone and copy all the files from his diamond (including the windows on his phone) and replace all these files on my touch?
so i get his windows and diamond settings directly and original (stock) on my touch?
is there anyone who has an answare for my question?
thanks a lot
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you are quite genius for this idea!!!
there is no other like you
I used to have a HTC Blackstone: Touch HD but I could not get used to not having a keyboard so I got the HTC Touch Pro 2 instead.
I had a Dutch Windows 6.5 (found on this forum) and HDWalls and everything. I wonder can I just install the same Windows 6.5 and HDWalls and do the HSPL again, the same way I did on the HT HD Touch.
Or do I need to research and download everything from scratch?
Thank you so much.
No, you must use the roms from this section on your rhodium. So start from scratch and read a lot
HDwalls can be used on any windows mobile device.
Ah, ok thank you so much, I was worried you were going to say that.
Oh, well...I will start reading