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Windows mobile 5 demo on a BlueAngel

Check out this channel 9 video ( http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=95972 ) with a demo of WM5 on a BlueAngel. So it is VERY posible for it to work! the BA demo is about 35min in to the video. i like the way the 2 outer hard keys on the BA are used as menu buttons like on the smartphone.

which file is it?

what do you mean which file? if you go to the channel 9 link here (http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=95972) you will see a save or play button. depening on your connection, click save (download) or play (streaming)

Nice find m8!
I wish we could get hold of WM 5.0 for Blue Angel, it's just soo annoying that we were so close as getting hold of it at tech ed 2005.
Tht guy does get a little too excited tho

it starts at the 35 minute mark where he shows the bA

Windows Mobile 5
As an early adopter of the Blue Angel device i feel that i have been told by HTC and Microsoft to say "how high" when they say "jump". I purchassed this phone in January of this year and i am being told now to go buy another phone in a few months if i want Windows Mobile 5. I have so far had 3 pocket pc phones and would never switch to a blackberry device but at this point i do not believe that i will continue buying devices like i have in the past. Now this clip from Microsoft shows that it is possible to load Windows Mobile 5 onto the HTC Blue Angel device. I do not see why HTC will just not leak this update. They will most likely loose many customers including me and many of the people i have recomended to purchase pocket pc phones. I have no question that HTC scans these sights so i am asking them why they can not just release the file.
Thank You,

Considering that Buzz managed to get it working on the Xda II (Himalaya) I can't see that there should be a problem with HTC/MS sorting it out for the BA.
Interestingly, it looks like HP are going to provide a WM5 update for certain IPaqs, perhaps HTC and the service providers should take note.

My friend recently bought an iPaq with WM2003se and it came with a voucher that entitles him t upgrade free to WM2005.
C'mon HTC, pull yer finger out!! We deserve this more than anyone! Perhaps if we petition and email it to HTC, explaining exactly how turd our current software is and how dsperately we need this.

Yes, it's quite turd. :roll:

We need to send a Chinese Food Delivery person to that nerd holding the BA with the NEW mobile 5 rom so he can stick his sd card and run out.
That would kick tush!!!!
Does anybody know him??

I would love a copy of WM5 for the BA. its a pity. hopefully HTC do release an upgrade, eventually.

the guy in the video said that its an internal version only and said it wont be released to the public, its funny though, they say that wm5.0 is better for the faster fones, but as he showed this BA with it working on it, it worked fast too...the only way we are going to have it, is if some idiot that decided we are not having it, has 3 ghosts come to him in the middle of the night , or if someone like james bond can brake into the MS fortress, or if the same guy that leaked the himalaya version of this rom has a heart and leakes this for us.
Peace.
joey.

WOuld you buy a Blue ANgel again?

Hi
My PDA2K is falling apart (I have dropped it a couple of times which has not helped.
I need to replace it and I am wondering with what.
I could simply go for another PDA2K but really never want to buy from i-mate ever again so am looking at [email protected]'s XDAIIs and IIi or the T-Mobile MDAIII.
Which is the best or would you steer totally clear of this phone because of all its problems?
Robin

I've got an O2 XDA2s & a work colleague has the T-Mobile MDAIII. Persoanlly I'd use either agin depsite their known issues. I like having an all-in-one device & am happy to compromise to get it

I would definitely buy another XDA IIs, if mine died. The grey colour of the O2 device simply oozes more class than the silver handsets.
Quality has been good (except for the hard reset issue when removing the battery - which is easily solved by keeping the power cord in when changing the sim card). I would be tempted to hang on for the universal though....... NICE!

i simply cannot afford to buy a brand new one if mine died, id have to wait til i can upgrade again, but if i could, then i would buy another as i have already got my bro to get one of these, and also he is a driving instructor, so its useful for his appointments and stuff.
if i was close to my upgrade date tho, i would just wait and get the next xda
joey.

Personally, no. I've realised I don't need the organisation or programs of a PDA. I bought it for Skype, but that doesn't work. The build quailty is not amazing.
I'll be going back to standard Sony Ericssons next contract period.
Chris

I'm very disappointed with all PDA's.
As a long time user AND enthusiast, I'm completely dissatisfied with everyone available. Moving to the BA from a HP, I expected better innovation from the leading producer of WM based PDA's, especially after seeing what HP was producing with the 6500's. Now I just realized that HTC is producing the 6500 for HP...!?!
Why wont someone produce a quality device with a hires (vga) screen, good memory (128 RAM, not to mention the availability of multi GB micro drives), reliable phone (GSM), fast data (GPRS/EDGE), un-crippled Bluetooth (audio/voice), and a small form factor (Treo). It has to be possible. I paid $850 for the BA (unlocked), and it's ridiculously unstable, and can't do what my $50 cell phone can do.
Bitter, Bitter, Bitter...

I hear you man. Sometimes I wonder if I should have got a different Pocket PC so Skype would actually work.
All of them are crippled/broken/manufactured badly in some way. The BA has its fair share of problems, but the important thing is that they're no more than any other PDA (apart from maybe the keyboard).
Chris

Some guy at work has te iPaq hybrid pda/phone. Quite swanky. I recently have this descision on my plate. Keep my new XDA2s or swap for the slower, but better made and more stable SE P910.
I'm waiting for Nokia N91.

I will surely buy another Blue Angel. Wish they could makde the keyboard more stronger and add WM 2005 in it .
I am pretty happy with the stuff .

NO!
his hardware its really crap...

Robster said:
Hi
My PDA2K is falling apart (I have dropped it a couple of times which has not helped.
I need to replace it and I am wondering with what.
I could simply go for another PDA2K but really never want to buy from i-mate ever again so am looking at [email protected]'s XDAIIs and IIi or the T-Mobile MDAIII.
Which is the best or would you steer totally clear of this phone because of all its problems?
Robin
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Is your phone covered by your house insurance.....was it you that dropped it? I would be suspicious and claim for a new one if you get my drift!

I would definetaly buy another one! It has had it's issues, but they all do to one extent or another. I use mine for my work all the time, and it has been the best unit that I have owned to date.
Later.......

i will never buy xda lls.
i hope i can change my xda lls to xda lli now.
but i have no money

Absolutely NOT. Sick of the instability, the poor support, the resetting 3 times a day and everything else that goes with it.

Never again!
I like the idea of an all in-one-device but...
1) phone is unstable
2) bluetooth is unstable
3) pda is unstable requiring resets
4) no UMTS
5) no "good" camera (0.3 MP ? come on! 5MP cam phones are out already)
6) no EDGE support
7) low memory
8) don't use keyboard as often as I thought
it is an OK device, but could use a lot of improvement.
I live the universal and I would give it a try if it were quadband

Until 3 days ago I would have said no. My 02 XDA2s was horribly unstable in all the ways described above.
I then had to try and find a replacement all-in-one. All I found that does everything this does that I need is the XDA2i (which from reading the forum sounds just as bad) and the Nokia N91 (out this Christmas at the earliest - I needed a handset NOW!)
I will take the keyboard of the XDA2s over the camera of the 2i anyday (all XDA cameras are limited by the crappy lenses anyway, no matter hoe good resolution they make them). The keyboard's really useful when doing things like entering passwords with greater accuracy or chatting on MSN.
I then flashed my ROM and radio to the latest availible and I have not had to reset yet in over 24 hours!
I was resetting my other XDA2s with 02 ROM 5 times a day!
Flash your ROM!! It makes this thing work to an acceptable level! Media Player 10 is great too, although the buttons are disabled which makes toggling the screen difficult. Album art and media centre synching make it worth it

Nope, I would not buy another BA. Next time I want to upgrade to get the HTC Wizard. Smaller phone with built in wi-fi and WM5.
With the BA:
I have never used the slide out keyboard
I am fed up with wi-fi choosing whether or not it wants to turn on
I am fed up getting the driver low memory message on BT
I am fed up with the phone locking up up so I can't call out and others can't call me without doing a soft reset or turn on/off BT every time.

Some of you are missing the point here! Let's compare to units that are already available, not things that have not arrived yet! With the right rom combination,this is an acceptable unit! Edge is new and very limited right now,and was not available when these came out.Stability issues can be resolved by cooking your own rom! Using reasons like that,as well as "I don't use this,or that feature", is not really the point,is it!
Just my 6 cents worth..... Later....... 8)

ill still buy ba or the upcoming one
this is the best i've ever had...i started from xda1 then xda2 now xda2s...that's why i love this site...and thanks t'all the people Here...lm working at night, n use my wifi w/o problems...use my verichat for chatting or agile, surf net...play my old school super nintendo (thousand selection)...use resco to ftp my website n upload/dowload mp3's ,files etc....listen my new remix mp3's w 2gigs while im in the gym ...ayt....

With the current selection of phones/pdas in the market today, I would still buy the same IIs I have....thats considering I can still aford one

WM 2003?

Hey all. I currently have a BlueAngel (O2 XDA IIs), and though I am very happy with what it does, I'm not keen on its horrible instability. Therefore, I was thinking of upgrading to the Universal.
However, if I did so I would ideally wish to use WM 2003 SE for program compaitibility, and to avoid the notorious memory leak. Will this pose a huge great problem? I'm thinking that the memory management is different so WM2003 might not know how to deal with the Universal's ROM/RAM combination.
Also I suppose, I would need a WM2003 ROM for the Universal, which doesnt exist I guess?
Final thing, how sturdy is the hinge between the two parts of the Universal? I've heard (and to a small extent seen for myself) that the sliding mechanism of the BA is a bit fragile...
Just a collection of my thoughts really. If anyone has anything to add about the merits or lack of in the Universal, please feel free to let me know.

I've not long had my Universal after 2 happy years with an XDA2
Initially I was disappointed, it was slow, clunky and really annoying.
After following a couple of the threads in this forum it's now stable and really usable. I haven't had to reset in the last week.
Unfortunately I have to take it back tomorrow as the network I'm on (T-Mobile) is so awful I can hardly use the phone so I have to go through it all over again when I get it on another network!
WM2005 is a major improvement (in my eyes) on 2003SE, I don't have many software compatibility problems but I suppose it depends what you need to do.
As for the hinge, I suppose we have to wait and see. It seems good so far, again your mileage may vary.

Thanks... can any older users comment on the hinge?

I've had mine since 6th October 2005 and no problems what so ever here.

I don't know if I am older than chockymonster but I have had my M5000 since November and its great - I have tinkered somewhat with different roms and am now using the newest O2 rom which is very stable (and tinkering is all part of the fun!). I have tried many different apps, some of which not specifically compatible with WM2005 without any problems.

Yeah I use plenty of apps that werent designed for my CE version, but a few that I use specifically tate their incompatibility with WM2005:-(
In any case, its an unlikely upgrade, at least in the short term.
Just a pipe dream...

richardkemp said:
Thanks... can any older users comment on the hinge?
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The first MDA Pro that I had (now sent back and got a new one) had a problem with the hinge after a month of using it. It made cracking sound everytime I tried to move the screen and even close the screen.
It might have been in the first batch of production. The quality might have improved by now (I can see that my new MDA Pro has better hinge longevity -- so far so good ).

Imate 8502: Dont Buy This Device. Not Til They Come Out With A Stable Rom

Some friendly advice to anyone thinking of getting this machine. DON'T! I have spent a month of misery with it and I keep going back trying to get it to work, but finally i haver put it back in the box.
This device really dissappointed me. on the face of it specwise, it should be the best device out there, but the ROM just is not stable and some apps (notably Igo8, or googlemaps locate me) simply do not function at all. Its like they built the hardware but never completed the software. it ships only with WM6, has no 'eye candy' like HTC devices (and look at the black dialler! its like something from a test ROM that they forgot to remove!!), or Samsung devices and doesnt support greater than 2GB SD cards (and I have tried EVERY SDHC driver out there, none are stable). even Outlook isnt stable. After i sync'd (approx 5000 contacts), it can take up to TWENTY MINUTES for the device to stabilize and function properly. Until then, it just hangs (terrible if you want to change the battery). At first i thought it was the SDHC driver, or the HTC home or other apps I had installed to make the device useable, but after hard resetting and just syncing outlook, it turns out that large outlook syncs ARE a problem (and not one I have ever had with another device). I wasted DAYS trying to get this device to function properly and finally gave up (preferring to stick with my Samsung i780 which is the most stable WM6 device I have ever used).
Add into the mix that imate are totally unresponsive to requests for SDHC drivers, or fixed ROMs and this is a total white elephant of a machine, that by the way I just can't seem to find a buyer for online!!!

I guess everyone's experience is different. I have had this device for around a month also and it's easily the best, most stable windows mobile device I've ever had, and I've had quite a few. I have my ROM almost full with apps and it is completely stable, including TomTom 6, which works fine. I'm not sure why people instantly blame the device rather than considering their own software and configuration first but anyway...just wanted to say my experience, and that of many others is quite different.
The SDHC thing is true, and annoying. Only a max of 2GB for now, but there is a ROM update coming to fix this. Let's not forget it's only been out just over a month or so! Patience. Other than that mine has been great.

i think you are the lucky one. i have seen elsewhere on the web many complaints about the device. maybe its the hardware? Q: do you have a lot of outlook contacts?

I have the same and never really had a problem with it.
software installed
SPB Mobile shell
Spb Time
SPB weather
Nyx Contacts
Nyx password
Iguidance
Google maps
WIMP
Vito SMS-Chat
Maybe you got a lemon? Try to exchange it.

ekerbuddyeker said:
i think you are the lucky one. i have seen elsewhere on the web many complaints about the device. maybe its the hardware? Q: do you have a lot of outlook contacts?
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I think there isn't a device available where you won't find people with issues. Look at the Tytn II - opinion ranges from those that want to marry one through to those that that consider it the greatest crime perpetrated on 21st Century humanity! Definitely, there are people that have complained about the 8502, as there is for every device out there, but there is a whole bunch of people also that love it. I'm not dismissing your problems, but it's a bit extreme to tell everyone never to buy one based on your bad experience, as though it was an objectively established fact that this phone is a dud. Apart from the SDHC issue, which I'll admit is ridiculous (but is being fixed in the next ROM update), many people are using it and loving it. It is packed with features, has a great form factor and has been more stable than any device I've ever used before. Overall, I love it! But again, only my experience. Doesn't mean everyone should go out and buy one either!
I have quite a few Outlook contacts but admittedly not 5000! Maybe 1000 or so I guess...so certainly that could be a point of difference.

I'm in two minds about the 8502. I too thought it was great until I installed a few programs and it all turned to s*&t. 3 hard resets & a trip back for repair and it still regularly crashes - at least twice a day. I even left the device with only two bits of software, Lotus Traveler & tMan (task manager) & it still is giving me a headache.
One of the things is it seems to go nuts when the battery is low, gives errors that all the apps are unsigned ?? Really disappointed ATM.
I'll hang out for the 6.1 ROM which by all the talk in the traps should be out in the next 4-6 weeks. Otherwise it is a ripper of a device, WIFI, GPS, front qwerty, just what I wanted.

My 8502 is great
I have had my 8502 for about 8 weeks and it is by far the best unit I have ever owned.
This is at least my 8th PDA and I migrated from a JasJam and in every aspect the 8502 is far superior even with WM 6.0.
I use it quite heavily with lots of software installed and certainly have not had the issues that some of you are talking about.
All I am waiting for is WM 6.1 and some Rom cookers and the 8502 will be even better.

Add one more happy 8502 user.
I have been using it since April 2, and my Kaiser sits sad in my drawer (sorry HTC, please make such a form factor VGA device - with a real keyboard - and I'll be back)

MY 6150 is working like charm for 4 months now.
Isn't it very close to the 8502 in regards to hardware and software?

Got my i-mate 8502 6 weeks ago.
I must say it is most stable pda phone I have ever owned. Never hang or fail me yet.

i-mate 8502: Anybody sells display or phone? /alguién vende pantalla o teléfono?
Good afternoon, folks
I was relatively happy with my i-mate ultimate 8502 till I dropped it and the display broke.
As I'm against buying new stuff if you can at a reasonable price fix something, I'm asking:
is anybody willing to sell almost altrusistically a display or even the whole phone? We could do it through the normal channels (paypal, google, ebay,whatever). Or in person, I'me based in Spain.
Warm regards,
Manuel

Thnx

A somewhat diffrent post =) but i need to say it. Just a basic huge thnx to the dedicated BA developers and programers. You seem to be in control here, and maybe its a good thing to have a phone that not to many uses nowadays (Less crowded) Thnx D-Two and Chef Tony for your never ending dedication. Made my starting point as a new user on BA forum very easy. Tonys guide how to flash this phone is just great and to the letter. Only wish you could elaborate more on radio flashing since i cant for some reason upgrade just as easy as the rom (wont accept the radio on second screen its no info at all) .. i have 1.12 and thought 1.15 could help issues i had on 6.1. Luckly i have no issues on 6.5 so far with dropped GPRS connection (weeeee).
Picked up my my old Qtek 9090 and flashed with 6.1 and then to the current 6.5 and though scary, it worked (Phew). Many years since i used a old WM device and having a Leo today, this is scary compared in flashing proceedings.
I installed some basic need apps according to me, and Opera 10 is really best on a BA in comparison to the HD2 and other new phones i used/tryed. The possibility to use buttons and arrow keys really makes for smooth surfing and next to non movment of fingures (and mouse arrow!!!). I just saw, what a breeze, a true one-man-hand surfin experience...now if i only had 3G =)
I loved my BA when it came out, and only reason i droped it for a new device was that it broke down. So why not get a new one then? Well here in Sweden phones came and went fast and when i was hoping for a replacment, it turned out they stopped importing it since they claimed it to be a device with a lot of problems ... so i had to upgrade =( (Cant say i hated my HTC Universial thou)
But 1 year ago, i helped a friend moving and guess what fell out of a box, a Qtek 9090 model of BA and since he didnt use it he gave it to me. With 6.5 now onboard my love continues. If it only had the 3 swedish letters on the hardware keyboard ... or the possibility to hold down a, and o to get alternetive letters it would be turnd in to my nr1 daylie driver.
I am thinking of scraping up some money to buy a mint condition one even. I see them on our eqviliant to e-bay here now and hen and its itchy. So thnx BA community for restoring my love for this device.
If people never scratches the surface of there WM devices they can surely miss a lot. Thnx to the dedicated work of the likes like my fav rom chef D-Two and master mind Chef Tony i now enjoy a Blue Angel that feels great and is up to date. Though i belive the HTC HD2 to be the best phone ever made, i must say, all modernazation is not of good. BA suprised me a lot in usability, and there is only 3 factors to really make it a dated phone today, despite a great dev community.
1. Screen: Man its lovly to look at with modern software but it wont help the fact that brightness and resolution and the good old angle problems is there. Its barly usble in daylight.
2. 3G radio. Being a media monster as it is, it still suffers in my point the fast internet usabillity. While still very usable as it is, if in a thight spot it takes to long to make things happen.
3. Storage space, 4GB is little for a media consumer like me. 8GB would have made it ok atleast, but 4GB just dont cut it anymore for me on a device like this.
So, there i said it. But it still dont stop me from loving this phone, and as it is, its my second daylie driver since i use 2 phones a lot. And all the Iphone users etc, they just cant get there head around what this is (there too young to remember prolly).... shall they fear it, laught at it ... they dont get it, and that is a fun disraction in everyday life. Only wish i have left was a way to boost the CPU. Remember xpuScalar and ....1 moe, cant remember the name, to do the trick. But they where pay software and apperently my key has expired at Handango (lol its only ...what, 6-7 years ago =). Prolly wont work with 6.5 anyway, wich is a shame. Btw, can you restore a 60MB made 6.5 device to original rom? Guess my Swedish rom is gone forever =( If i get a second BA i think of having this restored to original just for kicks.
Anyways, a long post for a short word, thnx once again all Blue Angel lovers.