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[REQUEST] International speaking forum sections.

This message is for the owner and administrators of this site/forum.
By looking at the recent discussions in some forum sections and sadly see people leaving this place, complaining, giving bad feedbacks around other places, and even create new forums by their own, I kindly ask you to value the option to create a few specific International forum sections for non-english speaking users, who would like to share their opinions, cookings, etc... without the need to face anymore "english language only" problems. I ask this, because there seems to be a lot of confusion about this, especially by Italian users, as I am.
As I think this forum has been always the leading one, in matter of handheld device development, I think it is also in your interest to earn new users and never to lose anyone of current ones. I am not asking you to create 100 new sections, Just a few separate sections named for example: "German Forum" , "Italian Forum" , "Spanish & Portuguese" and so on.... just for the main languages, which are no more than 7-8... even less. Many of the most popular forums I know did this already, and inside this one, I think it's even more important.
So please, if you can, take some time to think about this request, or otherwise just reject it and explain why and what it stops you from doing that.
Regards
10th July: POLL added. Feel free to submit your vote.

Well, it seems no one has interest in this...
very nice...

Unless you'd have a Moderator for each different language with the task to pass new findings and developments to the "International" section, i don't see any benefit in it. In fact i think the rules should be more restrictive regarding the languages used in forum messages by demanding the translation to english! I do understand languages other than my own but would like to know what Turkish, Germans or other are saying (even if it brings nothing new to my knowledge)
Just 2 cents

mestrini said:
Unless you'd have a Moderator for each different language with the task to pass new findings and developments to the "International" section, i don't see any benefit in it. In fact i think the rules should be more restrictive regarding the languages used in forum messages by demanding the translation to english! I do understand languages other than my own but would like to know what Turkish, Germans or other are saying (even if it brings nothing new to my knowledge)
Just 2 cents
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I know what you mean,
but in my idea local language speaking forums would be just minor general forums (where you won't find exclusive informations) made mainly to help such users who can't speak and understand english without the need to warn them to use english language only. And I think there are a lot of users who come to this site just to find links and download cooked roms and patches, and sometimes happens that they ruin their handheld just because they didn't understand completely what they downloaded and its instructions.
Of course it's clear that every language section will have a moderator/s, which would be a trusted user (who knows the local forum language) who can moderate the section in the same way and with same rules as the english ones (there will be a sticky post with the rules translated in local language).
I think all this can only bring a positive effect over this forum.
Anyway, I just added a poll for this matter... everyone feel free to vote!

Cooking for hermes?

I am a noob and really dont now how to do it but can someone share their knowledge on how to cook one?
there are some stickies here leading to oems/ applications but I lack the knowledge on how to combine them all to become a rom
please help me out
Note : please teach me like you are teaching a kindergarden kid becasue some words are very technical to me and if ever can someone provide link to where and what...
I think i am not the only one who will benefit about the knowledge other members ( maybe) who are afraid to ask
thanks in advance guys

Hi character,
Please just look around in this and the Upgrading forum. This isn't an answer you will be able to get with a reply to your post. There is a wealth of information here in these forums, and elsewhere on the Internet. It is going to take a lot of perseverence and practice (not to mention time) to acquire the information you are seeking. There are a lot of topics you will need to cover.
Look around at some of the excellent kitchens available to you here, download them and analyze what each is doing. They all basically do the same things, but each one has its own flavor. You will find that Pandora automates almost the entire process, while Bennec83's is more manual, and will teach you quite a bit ... if you put in the time to read it's tutorials and practice with it. Read through the Core/Hypercore kitchen threads for detailed information once you begin to have an idea about what you're doing. It WILL begin to sink in after a while.
Really ... read, read, read. Spend time experimenting, and you WILL figure it out - even though it's a complicated process.
Good luck, but again, this is not something that's possible to give as a simple answer to your question. Your best bet is to analyze the available kitchens, dissect the various batch files, and go from there.
-pvs

thanks sir
hopefully someone can provide a kitchen to different roms... just that if I compare it to wizards thread there are stickies there that make it easier for a want2be cookers to be a real good cookers... IMHO
anyway I am not nagging here atleast someone has gone through his time and answer my thread really appreciate the effort sir
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316881
pandoras kitchen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309701
annachilus kitchen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338456
customized animated startup
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345321&highlight=Package+Creator+v5.1+b1
PACKAGE CREATOR 5.3
you can continue what I have started here ... thank you guys in advance

Kitchen is not ROM dependent. Use hypercore....pick the ROM you like and start cooking. Cooking is the same as a wizard for hermes, expect the device settings in the kitchen (for hypercore.) So if you have tutorials for wizard that should be applicable to hermes also.
PS: Hypercore will not work if the rgu files are not in tact, then you need to use the hand cooking...Romdonalds might work for this case..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319970

READ ME & WIKI BEFORE POSTING QUESTIONS -- Diamond goes 2 XDA Wiki !!!

Diamond goes wiki
A wiki page has been opened for the Diamond since a while ago...
WIKI for Diamond
Please look here before asking questions on the forum.
All users can edit this page so you can all add information thus making it a better source of information.
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I have put many Information in it ...
also some rubrics are empty at time... but i search and put all the time infos together and post it in wiki...
if you see errors or have more information feel free to edit/add that infos to the wiki!!
More major infos about the circulating (Shipped) ROMS are desired !!!
please any of the MODS out there made this Thread Sticky!!! --> THX a lot!
thx
FutureShock (Steve)

yes this should be sticky, but not in this thread, this is not ROM Development, yes its about the product but not specific to ROM Development.
Good work though

Hi, i think it should be sticky here too because many Noobs are coming to rom development forum and asking stupid questions... i have nothing to say there where some problems where ROM developers stoped their work because of always answering stupid questions again...
so i think this Thread is good here too!!
The only thing should be that all help together to put all Informations in Wiki too!!

i agree, though thats where STRICT moderation comes in, i know the guys have been a little slack lately (yes that means you too MrVanx and shogunmark ) but they are can take a few days off here and there.

[POLL] WM 6.5 Section under Blackstone

Like all of us I'm having a hard time flipping arround 1000+ pages of various threads in Applications / ROMs / Customization ... All are for the new comer WM 6.5
Why not CREATE A SECTION just for WM 6.5 ? this will make it extremely easy for WM 6.5 fans to find what they are looking for.
it Should include the following:
1. Themes
2. Titanium Home Screen Plugins
3. Fixes & Tips/Tricks
4. New CE Builds
5. etc
The aim is to provide us XDA-Devs, with a unified section covering all aspects of the New WM 6.5, especially, that I guess after a period of 6 to 12 months, WM 6.5 will be dominating the new threads in XDA-Devs, But yet, for WM 6.1 users, we don't want everything regarding the two OS get mixed in the same location.
The Sooner the better, and easier for Admins too.
Can we Acheive that XDA-Devs Team?
regards;
Will

Word...
Again.. Word...

Where is the Poll?

umm.. i think this is it...
just nod or something..

*Nods agreeingly*
No harm in a few more sections, also not many customizations work for 6.5

Yes please !!!
wm6.5 sections please!

Look at this Section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260
There are many things for 6.5.

Terrorhuhn said:
Look at this Section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260
There are many things for 6.5.
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You are right but I think the point was to catalogue HD/WVGA supported apps, tweak etc without trawling this section.
You could just search but it can be a trudge when you don't know exactly what you are searching for.

all the wm6.5 plugins i'm using, were found at the devs forum..

dgen said:
all the wm6.5 plugins i'm using, were found at the devs forum..
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Same here...
I have no problem with trawling the forums hence the fact that I have only posted 12 (now 13) times in over 3 years as reading usually gives you the answers you need.
But, not everyone is inclined to spend hours sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Where manageable... I see nothing wrong with xda giving people new to WM (and for a lot of people, their HD is their first exploration) information tailored to their device.
When I first got my wallaby, the site was much (much) smaller; I would imagine that if you had just bought an HD and none of your mates have one, coming to xda for the first time could be overwhelming.
You can read all the tutorials but anyone who works in a development environment knows that written words will usually leave some ambiguity.
Most of the 6.5 apps were not developed by devs using a WVGA device so running threads specifically under blackstone would allow HD users who do know the apps to focus on helping others with issues specific to the HD.
Hopefully this would improve their overall knowledge and confidence in their device and who knows, they may be the people that will develop the apps for WM7 on the HD...
I think it is inevitable anyway considering how bloated a lot of general threads are getting with the ever increasing xda population (not that this is a bad thing - wouldn't want this to become an elitist Linux style forum).

Instead of creating new forums all you have to do is put 'WM6.5' or 'WM6.1' in title of each thread.

Fallen Spartan said:
Instead of creating new forums all you have to do is put 'WM6.5' or 'WM6.1' in title of each thread.
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Hi Fallen Spartan
+ screen resolution would be good.
I am assuming that because Will has posted this under a blackstone sub-category that he feels targeting information, help and support specifically to blackstone users would bring benefit as most apps posted under dev&hacking are already labelled up where they will only work on a specific OS.
Perhaps my point is out of place with the feelings of others but it is not finding apps that is difficult. The difficulty (and I do believe it is common place) is as I illuded to in my previous post.
When you do ask a question specific to running an app on the HD, it can either be overlooked due to the volume of questions other members are asking or the response is not by someone who has the device (including the developer) so help, although willingly given, can often be a dead end.
I do not have a solution for this but I am hoping you may think about how it can be easier for people to help people (I am as keen to help as be helped).
A user could always open a thread under themes and apps asking the question relating to a general app for specific help on the HD
I know I would feel a little uncomfortable doing this as naturally it feels the question should fall somehow into a WVGA/HD sub-category under the original app thread. It could mean that I caused other users to be unsure where to ask or look for help.
PS:
My comments are not intended to be taken as critical - This is a great site!
As with any user experience, the users change as do their expectaions (most users I see on the blackstone forum have a join date +2009 which is truly fantastic) and it is prudent to consider this going forward.
I won't comment anymore as I don't want to appear to be taking this down the route of a philosophical debate and you have elegantly answered Will's original post.
Mark.

Sounds like a great idea

Does this help tho
Fallen Spartan said:
Instead of creating new forums all you have to do is put 'WM6.5' or 'WM6.1' in title of each thread.
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Yes this is a good idea, but when you search for "WM6.5" you get "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " because (i'm guessing from trail and error) that the word is too short or sumthing.
I have been looking for a nice theme for my new WM6.5 rom and am spending hours trawling thro pages of forums.
I'd love to see a WM6.5 forum under the blackstone forum.

My Main Concern was/is this:
When you use search feature, it gives you several threads for the same VALUE, but there are lots of file VERSIONS and/or UPDATES.
So, Users will not be able to target the most up to date File/Cab/Tweak, which sometimes causes instability with new Manilla or something like that, but if we have coherent SECTION, updates will be included to facilitate the problem solving without compromising device stability.
I mean it will be a UNIFIED thread, with UPDATES Content, to reduce the hassle, and mistakes.
Take for example those most-wanted:
1. BG for all Tabs? --- there is a 100 versions over XDA-Devs, which is NEWEST?
2. Old Start Menu --- SAME
3. Colored TASKBAR --- SAME
4. Manilla Analog Clock --- m2.0 or m2.1
5. TSK Files
6. etc.
Plus, I don't want to spend a whole day searching for a cab, for the above mentioned or else, and get screwed because I used a wrong version, and need to Hard Reset.
Not all users are professionals as others, there is a various skills in here, from noobs, to profs.
Everything seems so intricate and difficult here, why do we fight over opinions all the time?
Please lets be atleast professional and friendly, as we have always been before.
Again, WM phones are top notch phones now, not like 3 years back, when HTC used to be High Tech Computers Co. (Think Himalaya/Wallabay)
Regards;
Will

Thread-specific moderators (for ROM threads)

Hello,
first thanks for this great place! I would have smashed my Touch HD if xda wouldnt exist
I have a suggestion regarding the ROM forums and threads:
As the cookers and chefs are mostly to busy to gather information from the thread and put them in the first(second...) post, it would be really nice if a threadstarter or moderator could assign a normal user as an "thread-specific" moderator (for only the first three posts for example). So volunteers, people very interested in this ROM, could maintain a buglist, tips and hints, fixes and other helpful stuff from the thousand and more pages and make the life for everybody easier.
Its sometimes really hard to find information in the thousand pages. I think a solution like this would help everybody and reduce the senseless spam questions in the ROM forums. All 1-2 pages new users ask the same as people before, and all are getting the answer "Read through the thread, its mentioned 10 pages before" for example.
Whats your opinion about this?

7Bit said:
Hello,
first thanks for this great place! I would have smashed my Touch HD if xda wouldnt exist
I have a suggestion regarding the ROM forums and threads:
As the cookers and chefs are mostly to busy to gather information from the thread and put them in the first(second...) post, it would be really nice if a threadstarter or moderator could assign a normal user as an "thread-specific" moderator (for only the first three posts for example). So volunteers, people very interested in this ROM, could maintain a buglist, tips and hints, fixes and other helpful stuff from the thousand and more pages and make the life for everybody easier.
Its sometimes really hard to find information in the thousand pages. I think a solution like this would help everybody and reduce the senseless spam questions in the ROM forums. All 1-2 pages new users ask the same as people before, and all are getting the answer "Read through the thread, its mentioned 10 pages before" for example.
Whats your opinion about this?
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Hi,
1. I don't think this is possible with the standard vB software. And I know the webmasters are adversed to applying "patches" unless they really help.
2. There is a problem of trust. Moderators are selected on here to be trustworthy, not to carry out malicious activities and to always be fair. I've seen plenty of people on here become friends and then enimies as quick as they can. Giving many users complete control over a single thread could become problematic. If you're just speaking about allowing users to edit another users thread. I can't see that been too risky - but still Impractical with the forum software.
An alternative, If the ROM cook would like someone to help manage the thread, they should arange before hand to let someone bag a few posts on the thread when it's first started (I know its not practical to existing threads). Moderators can help add posts when needed and remove any
pesky "First" messages someone might inject in the way .
Just my thoughts
Ta
Dave

Yes you are absolutly right, good idea
It would be enough if the moderators could move a post of the "Useful thread stuff Collecter / Maintainer" at the second or third position of an existing ROM thread, or if the creator already plans it when creating the thread. That would be exact the same without editing the board software or applying hacks...

7Bit said:
Yes you are absolutly right, good idea
It would be enough if the moderators could move a post of the "Useful thread stuff Collecter / Maintainer" at the second or third position of an existing ROM thread, or if the creator already plans it when creating the thread. That would be exact the same without editing the board software or applying hacks...
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Well if it's not possible to arrange this beforehand by timing a the time of thread creation, you could indeed ask on of the mods to help you out there. Don't look at me yet though, haven't figured that one out yet