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Is it me or is it taking ages for A2DP to work its way in to Cars?
Sony
http://www.sony-europe.com/PageView...316253&site=odw_en_EU&page=PressReleaseDetail
£399 <--- Ouch
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=MEXBT5000
Pioneer
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/09/pioneers-deh-p810-bluetooth-equipped-car-stereo/
ministry of sound have had a bluetooth headset out for a couple of years now. i dont know its capabilities but i know it does work as hands free with the headunit doing all the muting ect. i'm guessing it could also do audio in theory but i'd be wanting hi quality stereo profile capable.
http://shop.ministryofsound.com/Cultures/en-GB/Products/MOSCA061.htm?MSCSProfile=9E133C53BD3D92DF5455B80E50623FCD43EEF3924C278EDA93A038D8962D1C32D0740FDC04496BFF615DA6B238730312F9AD9A4D057F99429C79B45FD6DA1F546EC0679EFDCB4DA8E50E818A682A7B9E59935DDBCA202A8C6895ED6069074AF3F6698A474BBEAE87BE6935CA882C2D2FB9E08DFBAB5A053043364779E571F32B?CatalogNavigationBreadCrumbs=MinistryofSound|Audio|Car_Audio
maplins also do similar
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=46068
Nice find, but neither of those units support A2DP or AVRCP, and as you say, what we all really want is the high quality audio with the control functionality.
Please excuse Noob q ... but pervious discussions on this are not conclusive ...
The more I read about BT on Orbit / Artemis / P5500 and other HTC devices the more I find its a complete Minefield !!
Who's got it working OK ?
What headsets did you use ?
Is the quality good (ie as good as wired headset) ?
Have you had to do any registry changes (eg bit rate tweaks) ?
FWIW ive got some Jabra BT320's which appear to be a great spec (tiny, interchangeable 3.5mm earphone) but stereo quality is awful - I suspect its the Orbit and that HTC uses a weird A2DP profile (cf other mobile phone makers) so only a few headsets will work with it OK.
Of course o2 (HTC) say its a Jabra Issue and vice versa
Here are links to interesting discussions / reviews on this and the Artemis/orbit...
Stereo headset review (but no Jabras)
Jabra BT320s
General Discussion about Stereo Bluetooth on PDA's and Reg fixes
I bought the htc s100 stereo bt headset. I had to change some registry settings to have stereo suond and a better sampling.
Definitely the sound quality is horrible. The worst thing that I ever heard in my life. Stay away from it!
I have a Jabra BT320 and sound quality ain't that bad.
Max bitPool settings = 60 will get ya awesome quality.. but it's skipping 70% of the time.
I had to lower bitPool to 45 to have a good balance between quality and performance.
Of course, I have to use useJointStereo=0, if not quality will be mono. <- I wonder why the device comes default like this!!!
STILL.. once in a while, it will skip, depending on my movement or what I do on the PDA. I got pissed one day.. and decided to go back to wires.... which has:
1) flawless quality
2) no skipping or any defects
3) can listen to radio as well
I modified my earpiece to accept the 3.5mm connector, so I'm using my Sony in-ear phones
Stereo Bluetooth works with 3 small reg hacks
Thanks for replies .... I did the Reg hacks...
A) From mono to stereo:
HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Bluetooth/A2DP/Settings/[UseJointStereo = 0]
HTC ship their devices defaulted to mono output which is a bit odd considering they tout them as being A2DP compatible.
B) Balance between quality and performance:
HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Bluetooth/A2DP/Settings/[BitPool = 42]
C) HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Bluetooth/A2DP/Settings/[MaxSupportedBitPool= 42]
Where Lowest quality setting is 30 & highest is 60. You have to experiment to see the best that suits you in terms of sound quality & performance (i.e. dropouts). 42 is the value I settled on...... from another post (thanks Zen123) but I'll experiment later.
The quality is slighty better using TCPMP media player than WMP10, (which seems to give a slight speed variation (like old LP's) but the latter allows the controls to work from the BT device.
Turns out the JabraBT320s are pretty good - its subjective but the earbugs (on 3.5mm jack) are perfect for my music (trance).
Motorola HT820 Bluetooth Stereo Works Superb with Orbit
No problems here using my Motorola HT820 Bluetooth with the Orbit... seems stereo enough to me!
Overall the bluetooth is rock solid and all the buttons on the headphones work great with Windows Media Player. The output of Windows Media Player isn't the best, but if it's control you need and compatibilty with the headphone buttons - its ok.
I really wish there were some Massive sounding bluetooth headphones on the market - nice and bassy, etc... anyone know of any (volume UP!) headphones?
The HT820s are pretty fine for now.
Morkus
Sony Ericsson Headset HBH-DS970
I have my Orbit setup with the SE HBH-DS970 Bluetooth headset - works fantastic. I also use it to make hands free calls when driving.
Orbit over BT with Parrot Boombox
Hello,
i read many about Orbit, A2DP, Quality and so on. The quality seems to be a very subjective thematic. Some say it works fine while other say it sounds horrible.
Have you seen the Parrot Boombox: http://www.parrot.biz/de/produkte/parrotboombox
Do you think the quality reaches a level good enough to fuel the boombox?
After all i read it shouldn't
Greez
UPO said:
I have my Orbit setup with the SE HBH-DS970 Bluetooth headset - works fantastic.
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Do you see track information on the headset screen? I don't, which is a bit of a disappointment...
What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)
darthbane2k said:
What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)
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Had it two days - Sony DR-BT10CX Bluetooth stereo/handsfree - great for running and excellent sound quality for both calls and music.
Cheap too!
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/memory/Sony/DR-BT10CX/Bluetooth/Stereo/Headphones
That looks great.
Unfortunately I have already a great headset... with 3.5mm connector.
Is there any MiniUSB-to-3.5mm-adapter?
Thanks
Here
http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=149937
Yes, but this is without microphone. Just for listening music.
fenderbender said:
Yes, but this is without microphone. Just for listening music.
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Doesnt have a button but it has a mic
http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=149936
Thanks, but the description says:
Description
Use this adaptor to convert the HTC Touch extUSB socket to support any 3.5mm stereo headphones. The adaptor also has a hangup/answer button for normal voice calls through a stereo headset.
So I think it has a button
Thats great
Jawbone headset is amazing
I have ordered one of these after hearing from many people just how good these are. I got mine from Expansys.co.uk
http://www.jawbone.com/meet.html?utm_source=site&utm_medium=promo_demo
All the best,
Sam.
PianoSam said:
I have ordered one of these after hearing from many people just how good these are. I got mine from Expansys.co.uk
http://www.jawbone.com/meet.html?utm_source=site&utm_medium=promo_demo
All the best,
Sam.
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Man, those things look/sound badass...I might have to pick one of those up - I don't really have a quiet car, and I LOVE driving with the windows down! Hefty price tag on eBay though - pay to play though, right?
If you are looking at the DR-BT10CX, I suggest you get the DR-BT20NX instead because it got a remote for music - same earbuds and receiver essentially.
darthbane2k said:
What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)
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The HTC headset works fine for calling and music. For use in the car I have a jabra BT5020 and quality is good, auto-pair ofcourse.
I'm thinking of DIY-ing the usb to 3.5mm audio jack, does anyone have any idea how the usb connectors corresponed to the audio outputs? thanks!
Been shopping around now, since I saw that Jawbone...but I'm wondering...
Is there a Stereo Bluetooth headset with noise-canceling technology out there that anyone knows of???
I've been searching, but to no avail.
Motorola S9 for Stereo and Plantronics 665 for phone
If I am not listening to music I use the Plantronics 665. If I want to listen to music and take calls I use the Motorola S9 stereo BT headphones. The S9 is amazing for quality and fit. Don't let the strange (to some people) design fool you. These are high quality headphones. I have compared these to the Motorola 805s (DJ style) and HT820 (behind the head) and expected the S9 not to sound as good - not true. All 3 Motorola headsets sound great, but for the size the S9 sounds overall just as good if not better. I didn't like the sound of the Jabra BT headphones and the Plantronics over the head (590A) headset sounded good, but not as good as the S9.
By the way I tested a Jawbone and was not impressed at all. Didn't like the fit, sound was only OK and if you need the noise cancellation you have to press a button on the unit for 3 seconds to turn it on - each time. Certainly this is good technology, but for me the Plantronics 665 fits better and over all sounds much better.
I am using a Jabra BT620s for music and calls. Sound quality is very good. Nice fit, good battery performance and fits nicely on my head It has blue leds on both sides that blink when in use, its a bit weird at first but once you get past the oooohs and aaaahs from everyone its great
Has controls aswell (next, previous, volume up/down, accept call/hang up, play/pause) The accept/hangup key has the extra function when not in a call, it activates the voice command program so you can talk commands to your phone
has anyone tried SE HBH-DS970 with this ? comments ?
thx
sorry this is a double post
Anyone tested the HTC Touch E100 or W100 Wired Remote Control?
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=147565
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=150194
-Does it work on the Touch?
-Does it work with HTC Audio Manager?
-Does the FM Radio works?
What's the difference between E100 & W100 model?
Regards,
tigabert
I have a Nokia CK-7W buildin carkit in my car (company carkit) which also had bluetooth. Unfortunatly this bluetooth connection gives alot of problems when calling.
I can hear people fine but they hear constant break-ups in the connection. I tried it with a Sony bluetooth headset and everything worked fine.
So dont use the touch combined with a Nokia CK-7W
I'm using the Sony BT20NX and theyre absolutely the best. High quality stereo audio with AVRCP (?) remote profile which works with Windows Media Player, Audio Manager, and TCPMP. The headset is comfortable to wear, blocks outside sound so you can enjoy music at a low volume. The sound is clear and the connection is solid. The buttons are easy to use and I use it for MS Voice Command too, which is awesome. Perfect headset, if you can still find them (I heard theyre discontinued).
Hi,
I know the One x outputs Apt-x streo bluetooth. Theres a couple of over the head type headphones that support this. what i'm after is an Apt-X receiver which I can plug my own 3.5mm headphones into. Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
Cheers.
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
evo1rs said:
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
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They are doing just fine
NZtechfreak said:
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
WESBAR said:
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
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If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
pzboyz said:
If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather. From reviews I've read of apt-x sennheiser headphones, it's indistinguishable from wired headphones. I've had several a2dp headphones including ds200 and the quality just isn't there for me. U can definately tell the difference.
WESBAR said:
Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather.
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Which is not at all correct, the audio is compressed. The streaming rate is +300kb/s.
WESBAR said:
U can definately tell the difference.
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Many phones have poorly implemented standard a2dp, they stream at about 220kb/s, this is something which is will be improved, a +300kb/s standard a2dp stream is also just as good as wired. I know people who have done the comparison.
I was under the impression that AptX uses a different codec too, not SBC.
@pzboyz, is there a way of measuring the A2DP bitrate for a device?
It's ironic I only heard of AptX recently, when I bought a Foxl and opted not to get the Platinum version, thinking that there weren't any implementations of this spec yet. And a month later, it's in my new phone.
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Yeah I've seen it mentioned on their site too. Got my phone now. Tempted to just order one. They're on ebay for around £26. They do a white version which will match my phone aswell! If these live up to the claims, they'll make a perfect partner to my Shure SE530's which have a short cable which usually runs into an extension piece.
Where did you order yours from?
Ordered mine from Ebay also.
If you order and get yours first let us know how they are!
NZtechfreak said:
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
Ordered! Will post a review when it arrives.
pzboyz said:
How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
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I'm talking about every smartdevice I've ever owned listening to bluetooth Vs wired (N95, N95 8GB, N82, i8910, HD2, Touch Pro, N97, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII, Galaxy Note, ASUS Transformer and Transformer Prime, Google I/O Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab 7.7) with a large number of headsets DRC-BT15, Moto S805, can't remember the model names but several of Nokia's best BT cans, a few other Sony headsets whose model numbers escape me. Bluetooth audio quality is not equal to wired on any of those devices.
I only mentioned the wired headsets so it's apparent the wired headsets are not the rate limiting step.
I've not tried it with my One X since I don't get it until next week, will be interesting to see is Apt-X lives up to it's billing.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
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Have a look in here.
It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
WESBAR said:
It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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Thanks for the feedback, I have the receiver but won't have my One X till next Wednesday (lucky enough to be getting one for review that I get to keep).
It's meant to be lossless up to ~370kbps according to CSR (the people who developed Apt-X), so I presume for FLAC files you'll start to hear some differences, but for everything up to 320kbps mp3 there shouldn't be any discernible difference if CSR's claims are accurate.
apt-x is a codec used under the a2dp profile.
Hi
In order to clarify a bit. I believe the apt-x is a compression format, which is an extended codec to the a2dp profile of bt.
So you may be comparing apt-x to a range of codecs used under a2dp, where you also find apt-x.
Hope it sort the discussion a bit. And thanks for the input on devices.
Right guys I Love me music and the HOX straight out of the headphone out it's ok. My SGS Voodoo'd kicks its arse out of that water! I'm going to order the HS3000 and test the aptX technology with my TDK BA200 IEMS. To see how it differs.
Will give some feedback once I've had a play with it all.
The Motorola H720 and H730 are bluetooth headsets with no earbuds and the speaker is flat against the side. However, they do not have a2dp for music. Is there anything else similar with a2dp?
Start searching for something with two earphones (stereo). I don't know of any mono headset with A2DP.
If you want recommendations, you should give more details about what you want from it and how much you're willing to spend.
Cheers!
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I haven't seen anything like this either. Those business bluetooth headsets intended for phone conversation rather then multimedia streaming, thus everything I have seen so far in that type of bt headsets doesn't support A2DP. If anybody would have it, it would be Plantronics, but they don't offer it. To have full multimedia support you need stereo bluetooth headsets like LG HBS730 or Plantronics BackBeat GO 2 or BlueJays BlueBuds X. Look into my signature link for reviews of a lot of these headphones.