Meschle.........
After reading yor comments on the ongoing ROM poll, elsewhere on the Forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325872
I have to ask what is in store in your new ROM 02 Premier Plus?? Is there a time scale for its' release yet?
I have tried all the ROMS that come and go on these boards and am still very pleased with Artemis Touch 1.0 WWE - Full, I think it is the most stable ROM so far...
Can you spill the beans on your plans...
It will be released over the weekend - final testing now.
Includes updated audiomanager (same skin) but now plays when in standby mode.
Most of the apps are included from artemis touch full including hbutton setup, notem,1 calc lite, tpcmp, xnview pcm keyboard....
The ability to add cube by cab if required (blue design)
Still has 51mb total storage memory and 27mb free program memory after soft reset.
It runs as well as standard version
thx
i am waitting
What a guy, that's what you call a prompt reply.
Looking forward to giving it a spin.
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The ability to add cube by cab if required (blue design)
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It will be ROM without the cube in default ? And cube will be only separately installable option (cab) ?
From my point of view, it is very good idea !! Cube is nice toy, it is good to amaze friends, but I guess that most of people dont use it. I dont need any cube when I have HTC home ...
I'm looking forward to your new ROM
Hi Meschle
I eagerly await this new rom as your original is my keeper at the moment. A question, you say you are including the CM Keyboard but is the HTC Phonepad staying? For me this is far better for texting and was something I had been wanting scince getting this phone but just couldnt find an app anywhere until I tried your rom (my first), CMKeyboard is very good but still needs some care when using on the move. If not remaining perhaps you can let me know where to get.
Be good to see the new rom, just dont give up life to meet your publics demands
Thanks for your work so far
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Hi Meschle
I eagerly await this new rom as your original is my keeper at the moment. A question, you say you are including the CM Keyboard but is the HTC Phonepad staying? For me this is far better for texting and was something I had been wanting scince getting this phone but just couldnt find an app anywhere until I tried your rom (my first), CMKeyboard is very good but still needs some care when using on the move. If not remaining perhaps you can let me know where to get.
Be good to see the new rom, just dont give up life to meet your publics demands
Thanks for your work so far
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Yes dman - i include both dont worry.
You make me feel like a demanding child
Cheers
DMan said:
Hi Meschle
I eagerly await this new rom as your original is my keeper at the moment. A question, you say you are including the CM Keyboard but is the HTC Phonepad staying? For me this is far better for texting and was something I had been wanting scince getting this phone but just couldnt find an app anywhere until I tried your rom (my first), CMKeyboard is very good but still needs some care when using on the move. If not remaining perhaps you can let me know where to get.
Be good to see the new rom, just dont give up life to meet your publics demands
Thanks for your work so far
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Heres the htc touch phone pad.
Also i would like to see this rom without touchflo as i read some people including me can't get it to work properly.
other than that this first version rocks big style. i prefered the mms/sms all in one also (i know some dont agree with me but hey, personal prefs)
Last few days - being bed ridden - had all the opportunity to install, re-install and re-re-reinstall all the roms circulating...I finally settled on the O2 Premium ROM - not because - I am not a fan of Tom's - His ROM was fantastic - the Artemis too was superb ! but my preferences lies in the fact that - if I dont use something - no point having on the phone.
My 2 cents on new ROM;s that come up -
The Lite version along with the reduced apps - should also exclude the Cube ! - I have been using the Toms 4.0 for ages and realized that I had next to never used the Cube. The HTC Home page suffices more than ever on that is required instantly.
Secondly - Apps like Acrobat Reader LE - should also be left out - to be installed based on individual preferences - it is 1.38MB in size and can be run from the storage card - so I see no reason to have it on the main memory !
All said and done - I think the ROM's provided by Mark and Tom are great and I applaud their efforts.
The Orbit/Artemis/Dopod - would'nt be the same without their efforts and the support of all their collegues.
Cheers
Dev
Thanks Meshle, your Rom is my favorite. Keep on.
PremiumPlus version now released - mirrors of the rom appreciated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325295
meschle said:
PremiumPlus version now released - mirrors of the rom appreciated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325295
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Just installed your ROM. Works great, no problems so far. Good work
romac said:
Just installed your ROM. Works great, no problems so far. Good work
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Same here. Love it so far !! Especially the MENU button with the shortcut to SMS !! I have an O2-SMS Flatrate and need quick access to sms
Pretty fast ROM. I am very happy with it.
Changed the DialerButtons though.
Thanks to guys like you and Tom..you make life easier
We aim to please
Out of interest what did you change the dialer buttons too?
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We aim to please
Out of interest what did you change the dialer buttons too?
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To "Wizard_reTOUCHed_Dialer2".
I like the black look...
Man, I've been playing around with this ROM now and it's my new favourite !!! Really finger-friendly and intelligent !!! Congrats, mate !!!!!
Meshle
You're O2 ROM is my favorite and it's staying on my phone. I would like the audio manager to play in sleep mode, but I just spent 2 days configuring my phone to my liking. Is there a registry edit to make the audio player play in suspend mode or is this somthing that requires the new ROM? If not, I'll live with WMP for now. Excellent ROM man!
meschle said:
PremiumPlus version now released - mirrors of the rom appreciated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325295
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Mirror - at Rapidshare
http://rapidshare.com/files/52821813/Artemis_O2_WM6_PremiumPlus_WWE.zip.html
Hi Meschle
Nice one
I downloaded and flashed last night so will play today.
But on 1st impressions it looks just as cool as original but now has all the apps from the Touch, exactly what it said on the tin!
And it has the HTC Phonepad, I happy
I shall post tonight on how she goes.
Thank you
Is the bug about the batterystatus traylaunch fixed in this new version ?
Anyway, keep the excellent work, thank you so much for your quality releases !
Related
I can change touch.dll and add a few files to get bioscroll (not the cube) on the new vanilla rom. It would not slow the rom down or take any free memory away.
What you guys think?
Add it
I can't think of a single reason why not, it is something I love.
Hi, I actually bought an XDA Orbit after seeing the excellent rom work that has been done here and I would definitely like to have that feature. Thanks
Yes,
All i want is a clean up to date rom, with GPS Photo and (bio)scrolling support. The HTC Home Plugin is very handy, but i can miss it.
I am sure if you make a rom which looks as the HTC original, WITH scrolling and GPS Photo support, lots of people would use it.
O yea, and please, dont make a black version... There are other colours, i like the Blue O2 premium you made, and used it quite a time.
little offtopic. Also, if there is a easy way (ala customizer) to put scrolling or other things in it would be great (even with a hard reset or something). Unfortunately its in the ROM (as ive been told) and therefore not possible(?).
meschle said:
I can change touch.dll and add a few files to get bioscroll (not the cube) on the new vanilla rom. It would not slow the rom down or take any free memory away.
What you guys think?
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what's exactly bioscroll?
Is BioScroll the thing which made my Artemis with your TouchFlo 2.0 ROM randomly scrolling up and down?
I say yes.
Maybe you could give an option to switch it on or off like Tom does in his ROM?
Well this is what i've done - disabled by default in true vaniila style - there is a smal cab in windows that enables it.
This stops having extra apps or control panels messing up the feel of vanilla
Total storage still 58.76mb and FAST as ever.
meschle said:
Well this is what i've done - disabled by default in true vaniila style - there is a smal cab in windows that enables it.
This stops having extra apps or control panels messing up the feel of vanilla
Total storage still 58.76mb and FAST as ever.
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I can't wait vanilla 2.0 .I've very impression in vanilla 1.0 so much.
Also add the disconnect button when connected to the net via gprs
I never liked it much. My opinion is to remove it an give an option to install it later for everyone who likes it. Just as you said.
Good work man.
freco said:
I never liked it much. My opinion is to remove it an give an option to install it later for everyone who likes it. Just as you said.
Good work man.
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I agree to that also.
YES, keep it in 2.0.
With bioscroll, I can scroll with finger at anywhere with scrollbar. don't have to use stylus to scroll.
But I don't use cube often. maybe others do also.
Having Bioscroll alone without cube should make this ROM more popular.
Waiting for it. Thanks a lot.
Please leave bio scroll in - i loves it
Cheers
Hutchy007
neavokh said:
YES, keep it in 2.0.
With bioscroll, I can scroll with finger at anywhere with scrollbar. don't have to use stylus to scroll.
But I don't use cube often. maybe others do also.
Having Bioscroll alone without cube should make this ROM more popular.
Waiting for it. Thanks a lot.
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i'm agree with neavokh
DON`t install it ...everything installable on a later basis should be left out, is what i plea for! ....leave it customizable
"installable"?
is it possible to install scroll function? sorry but i didnt hear about such possibility...
about all other programms - i agree as well that there's nothing should be. to have a chance to install a newest version every time.
any idea when?
thanks
marcello
shoonari said:
"installable"?
is it possible to install scroll function? sorry but i didnt hear about such possibility...
about all other programms - i agree as well that there's nothing should be. to have a chance to install a newest version every time.
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Agreed, ive been told its only possible to add it to the rom, not to ad it afterwards.
meschle said:
I can change touch.dll and add a few files to get bioscroll (not the cube) on the new vanilla rom. It would not slow the rom down or take any free memory away.
What you guys think?
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It'll be the only thing I'am missing in this Rom
Thank YoU Very Much
Here is the new German Rom fron Anja31
Version with Manila from Touch HD
Rom start with:
free Datastorage: 142.xx MB
free Ram: 50.xx MBe!
Basis: 2.00.421.1
OS & Build 19665
Pagepool 16 MB
Rem: ZIP, MP3Trimmer, RSSHub, Acrobat Reader, Streaming Media, Voice Dialer, Java, Power Point, Help, Images, Ringtones, AudioBooster, OneNote, Transcriber, Voicerecorder, WindowsLive....
Support,Download and help here
would be great if someone could upload this rom to a p2p network without everyone registering to another forum ... please ...
.. registered myself ;-)
here we go
Jesus Christ please tell me it's true that this f*********** awesome answer/ignore call slider is included in that rom!
Be carefull with that rom. A lot of bugs are inside!!!!!
hc_blacki said:
Be carefull with that rom. A lot of bugs are inside!!!!!
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thats not true, i am using this rom all day long and it is actualy super, it is very light and at the same time it has every thing i need.
so people, no bugs at all.
it is super fast with alot of free memory in the storage
hc_blacki said:
Be carefull with that rom. A lot of bugs are inside!!!!!
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Get a life twat! Just cause you don't get along with her?
nblakqori said:
thats not true, i am using this rom all day long and it is actualy super, it is very light and at the same time it has every thing i need.
so people, no bugs at all.
it is super fast with alot of free memory in the storage
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I can second that - remember to hard reset!
However - you have to life with the not working SSmaPa (as for most HD Roms). But the rest is fine.
basthet said:
I can second that - remember to hard reset!
However - you have to life with the not working SSmaPa (as for most HD Roms). But the rest is fine.
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well as i said, it has every thing i need, i dont use to much third party apps, but even if i wanted to use, then u have a lot of options to use, in stead of ssmapa, i could use vj`s application for replacing the default calendar or something similar.
after all, every single rom in here has a bug or two.
there is no perfect rom, even the official htc releases have bugs
some small bugs and speed could be better, but is not that bad.
skrap3 said:
some small bugs and speed could be better, but is not that bad.
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i have never used ttmax´s roms, this is the first one, and i must say i really LOVE IT
but these words "is not that bad" is very rude from you.
have u ever tried to make a rom?
and than comes some one and tells to your very hard work (witch you dont get paid for that, he shares to every one) its not that bad. i am 100 percent sure u didnt even try this rom,
over and out
i have made a couple of roms for myself and i tried this rom, its not the best and its not the worst, so what!? Should i tell every cook on this board his rom is awesome when its not true?
No Internet over 3G
Hi there,
First, thanks for this great ROM. Its running smooth and fast on my diamond.
But there is one little issue I have.
It doesn't connect to the Internet over 3G. (no mails, no weather updates) Everything works flawlessly over WiFi.
I did a hard-reset after flashing. Actually, I think the automatic "Network Setup" that comes up after running for the first time didn't come up. How could I run this manually?
Other services from my network (Orange CH Switzerland) are working OK (SMS etc)
Any Idea how I could solve this and what causes it?
Thank you in advance,
Oliver
use this
Berzi
You just made my Day
Berzi said:
use this
Berzi
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Thank you very much for this.
My Problem is solved now.
Happy new Year.
Oliver
Flash and use at own risk, this is unofficial firmware ..
THERE HAVE BEEN FEW REPORTS OF BRICKED PHONES! BEWARE
Releases have been pulled due to bricks (main reason, although the cause of this is still unclear..) and me not having a i780 anymore to test.. Thank you ALL for your support
WM6.1 FINAL RELEASE RC0 - pulled
WM6.5 WIP RELEASES - pulled
ALL UNTESTED, DON'T HAVE A i780 ANYMORE
Thank you's: (PM me when I forgot to mention you!)
EFN - for your first cooked ROM's and kitchen source! .. donate to this guy
Wrath - for finding the HL2 updater - any chance you found a newer release?
TheSolutor - for the old mouse.dll driver
Donators - plz PM me your nicknames on XDA, I can't find some of you, tooooo many PM's
1immortal x2!
93matt93
valdz
mathias
stefan
ssr_german
donator from Japan
monocay
All people who report bugs, tips, tweaks, comments...
~reserved~
More info? Maybe pictures?
Il try it later
i'm interesting in translating it in french, someone can explain me how?
Question
This is only PDA part? It can upload to phone by mirage? Can U put some screenshoots?
Thanks 4 work on this project
curious
beethoven015 said:
This is only PDA part? It can upload to phone by mirage? Can U put some screenshoots?
Thanks 4 work on this project
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OK, ok, I was corious and I try this ROM. I update it with MIRAGE PDA part. It look's good. Seems to be a fast and stable. You have one death link in START-PROG-TOOLS it is manillla 2D. When I try to ALIGN SCREEN there is a unlimited reepet BUG. And You can put in a quick shut down or restart tool. But I have complaint. Can you take out a ORANGE Today part with SIDE menu bar like a separate file that ppl who like it can install indepedently from rom?
Thanks
Continuing testing
Errmm... I only prefer 128 DPI. Not interested in 96 DPI. Anyways, it's a priceless work done. TQ inertiax3.
beethoven015 said:
OK, ok, I was corious and I try this ROM. I update it with MIRAGE PDA part. It look's good. Seems to be a fast and stable. You have one death link in START-PROG-TOOLS it is manillla 2D. When I try to ALIGN SCREEN there is a unlimited reepet BUG. And You can put in a quick shut down or restart tool. But I have complaint. Can you take out a ORANGE Today part with SIDE menu bar like a separate file that ppl who like it can install indepedently from rom?
Thanks
Continuing testing
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1. It's the Manilla2D customizer.. which is essentialy useless ATM, I'll take care of it
2. Align screen - will fix, no worries
3. Shutdown proggie will be included
4. Well.. the Orange menu.. uhm..
updated ROM ETA this friday
dgtel2 said:
Errmm... I only prefer 128 DPI. Not interested in 96 DPI. Anyways, it's a priceless work done. TQ inertiax3.
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no problem.. I'll make a 128DPI version too soon.. ETA friday?
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no problem.. I'll make a 128DPI version too soon.. ETA friday?
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was about to flash another cooked rom until i saw yours... will wait then!
Battery meter
OK today I saw a one strange thing too, small battery oscilation. Battery was charge about 60%. After few calls and some use of app, there was 70% charged!
And plz trz to take out a theme from ORANGE rom I really like it.
Thanks
Excellent performance!
Haven't had this ROM for very long yet, but first impressions are that this is (or will be?!) the best i780 ROM yet (and I believe I've tried every one!). It's very snappy with some intelligent tweaks (and a bit of personal preference). Nice job and look forward to the finished article!
beethoven015 said:
OK today I saw a one strange thing too, small battery oscilation. Battery was charge about 60%. After few calls and some use of app, there was 70% charged!
And plz trz to take out a theme from ORANGE rom I really like it.
Thanks
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I think this is more battery-specific than ROM-related.. not really something that is fixable via SW
Telster said:
Haven't had this ROM for very long yet, but first impressions are that this is (or will be?!) the best i780 ROM yet (and I believe I've tried every one!). It's very snappy with some intelligent tweaks (and a bit of personal preference). Nice job and look forward to the finished article!
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Happy that you like it..
i´ll wait 4 the 128dpi version...hope to see it soon
best wishes,dennito
The thanks sharing discovers to click "adjust screen", the cursor can not stop.
laozhu said:
The thanks sharing discovers to click "adjust screen", the cursor can not stop.
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.. already fixed.. wait for the new release today
inertiax3 said:
I think this is more battery-specific than ROM-related.. not really something that is fixable via SW
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I have the same problem whit all the two battery...
ZenithLK said:
I have the same problem whit all the two battery...
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Could be because the previous indicator didn't have any % .. thus 1 bar could be +-30%?
Battery
Personally I prefer whatever is different about this battery monitoring! In all other ROMs I have tried, battery status falls off a cliff really quickly, then sits at 30% until it then dies. With this ROM, there seems to be a genuinely smoother depletion profile. Yes, I have seen battery percentage go up at times, but given battery performance often increases with temperature, I do not find this surprising and would prefer point-in-time polling over irregular estimates.
Been running this ROM 24hrs now, loaded all my crap on it, and it still is way faster and more stable than everything I've tried before. Very minor niggles for final release are:
• One of the fonts is basically unreadable (the one used in Comm Manger) - I think this is an HL1/HL2 issue (I've had it on all the other's based on these), but if you can find a way of replacing it?• Gap under keypad - I think there's been a fix for this posted• The Java manager isn't great - can you use the Esmertec one which supports Full Screen etc?• Not sure about that Penguin!
Otherwise - can I reiterate how good a job you've done on this "beta"!
VillainROM 3.4
WORK HAS STOPPED ON THIS ROM; AS I AM NOW USING THE LEGEND AS A BASE. SEE THE OTHER VILLAIN THREAD!
If you want to continue using this Eris port based version, feel free.
DOWNLOAD 3.4
PLEASE SEE BOTTOM OF THE POST FOR AN EXCHANGE HOTFIX. THANKS TO ANON2212!
Thank you for your support, and for your kind donations thus far.
If you like my work, and can afford to donate a couple of dollars to buy me a Red Bull, please use the link below!
I'm really looking forward to your feedback.
Looks awesome, and if its as stable as you say then its gonna stay on my phone, will test it today/tomorrow and let you know!
Great work! Does it support Live Wallpapers?
Sense has FC'd on me once in 2 days. Unsure of the cause, but unable to replicate!
Edit - No livewallpaper... sorry. I'll look into it.
works perfect!!! but I can't find exchange in this Rom :-(
Im testing and is ok. Can you make a version with spanish.
Thank You very much
download "morelocale2" from marked, than you have spanish...
thanks al lot for this rom.
DL and testing it right now.
Let's see how it compares to the other roms
marianne2 said:
download "morelocale2" from marked, than you have spanish...
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Thank you very much
Exchange is necessary!
market
is market fully worked(paid apps etc?????)
if so i gonna try it tomorrow or so.... (A)
hi i am just loading this now it looks great and im looking forward to testing it out cheers
Hello, I've just downloaded and installed the ROM, and I have to say....
You sir, have done an amazing job, this is so stable and nice and also fast.
I like what you did in this ROM, you have done a better job than the others in my opinion, your ROM and MoDaCo are the most stable ROM's I've used so far.
Keep up the good work ^^
"note" I have used all of the other ROM's posted in this forums.
It really works good, no FCs!!!! But please, add Exchange!
and market? is twidroid etc in the market ??
Market and Market enabler work.
Nice work, Lockscreen and Genie widget doesn't work for me
Loving the Rom man!!! brilliant, fast and everything is working fine. Am i ment to have the standard Android keyboard? where has my HTC one gone?
network location
Anybody tried flashing NetLoc-signed to this to see if Network Location via cell towers works after?
I am gonna give it a try in a sec; but that is one slow download. Any objection to mirrors being created?
Is this at all AOSP 2.1-r1 based?
I'm learning to live with the standard Android keyboard because it has voice input... still like the HTC IME for the long-press for numbers and symbols though...
APPS2SD
Hi,
Can someone elaborate on the APPS2SD instructions... do I do abd shell reboot recovery, then type the commands in the first post? I got permission errors...
Thanks
Phil
hello everybody!
as i'm official tester of heinekens newest rom!
i promisse you its far better than any older rom!
new:
mousefix
based on epix drivers
overall speed improved
fast wifi connection by htc
bugs for now:
videocall
gps(?)
so your task is it to vote for the apps you want in!(palringo;opera;fring)
that we have an ultimate rom for all i780 users!
ASK me for questions/tests
FOR EMPTY ROM JUST PRESS THANKS TO THIS POST
_reserved_
i really wish that heineken could make this rom for samsung epix. apparently its gotta be fantastic wish i could try
good jobs, thank you.
Thanks!
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!
Really... naked is a good point to start with testing, and since the Heiniken last one htcized was the coolest one I got, I would be happy to apply here!
Hi all,
thanks for your works. I would like to have a Rom in Italian language and with TomTom ok.
Thanks and regards.
glad to hear that
Hi HashToWent!
Thanks for the job, where can I find the button?
Hi,
why? are you Italian like mee?
Regards.
DominYk said:
Hi HashToWent!
Thanks for the job, where can I find the button?
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i even miss it i just wrote it as its in in nearly every forum =(
sry for that then just write clean rom as post! this should be countable for me
wow!! rom looks amazing to me. thanks heineken. please heineken while you release an ultimate rom keep a stock one. there are some people like me who loves stock-pure-untouched(may be a little touched) roms so be it a clean rom. if I manage to have a job soon I want to buy you guys beer
metal can said:
wow!! rom looks amazing to me. thanks heineken. please heineken while you release an ultimate rom keep a stock one. there are some people like me who loves stock-pure-untouched(may be a little touched) roms so be it a clean rom. if I manage to have a job soon I want to buy you guys beer
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stock/untouched means CLEAN ROM!
clean means w/o additional apps maybe in stock rom included aps removed like java games(?)
but i think there will be a clean rom =)
BTT: do you want clean rom with HTC COMMANAGER or w/o?
I also like the clean ROM, and if possible just provide the download links for the apps
ShuShine said:
I also like the clean ROM, and if possible just provide the download links for the apps
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Pls notice, that application inside rom are compressed and takes less space than installed after.So this way can provide more free space for usage by including them into rom.
Sure Opera, Office and many others can be downloaded later, cos anyway they will be updated after some time.As for me i dont like Opera.
ShuShine said:
I also like the clean ROM, and if possible just provide the download links for the apps
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I agree but for bigger apps only. I prefer that small important tweaks and utilities such as notifblinker, nullKB, htcCommMngr, etc should stay.
Hi heineken,
Is it possible to unbind both left and right Hardware softkeys so that they will become available in the systems button mapping? I hate AEButtonsPlus because it has slight delay in execution.
cheers!
still waiting.........
sicksoul said:
still waiting.........
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you will have to wait =) as this is just the poll for the rom not sure what is done by now!
ask heineken but im sure this rom isnt even startet to be cooked!
it will be cooked when whe have enough votes (=
hashtowent said:
you will have to wait =) as this is just the poll for the rom not sure what is done by now!
ask heineken but im sure this rom isnt even startet to be cooked!
it will be cooked when whe have enough votes (=
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it's ok..
perfection need more time
everyone out there, please vote..
Sorry guys, Im not playing with your patience. But Im running of time for working on ROMs this week. As far as I have it Il go on..