What a fantastic site. The pda is so incredibly clever and on the i-mate site I have recently upgraded the rom version which includes a radio upgrade.
Can anyone explain if it will be possible to upgrade the telephone to have the voice activated facility that allows you to speak in to a bluetooth handsfree kit and set up a unique number to get the telephone to dial automatically ?
I know that in Canada and the USA Microsoft have a new ?? [not really new now] product called Voice Command which I can't wait for which will allow you to do all kinds of amazing things with the telephone, the appointments and other parts of the pda which will make it much safer to use on the road.
The only poor part of the upgrade from i-mate [i-mate.com] is I am sure that the Bluetooth Navman 4100 GPS unit and the GPS TomTom3 software are 'hanging' more often which is annoying - any suggestions please ?
Than you for an excellent site.
Charles
look for the vidcomm bluetooth stack maybe it support it
ms bluetooth stack dont and i'm not sure if they are planing on inc their profile support ms dont seem to like bluetooth much as with other techs they dident have a hand in bringing about
cccfood said:
What a fantastic site. The pda is so incredibly clever and on the i-mate site I have recently upgraded the rom version which includes a radio upgrade.
Can anyone explain if it will be possible to upgrade the telephone to have the voice activated facility that allows you to speak in to a bluetooth handsfree kit and set up a unique number to get the telephone to dial automatically ?
I know that in Canada and the USA Microsoft have a new ?? [not really new now] product called Voice Command which I can't wait for which will allow you to do all kinds of amazing things with the telephone, the appointments and other parts of the pda which will make it much safer to use on the road.
The only poor part of the upgrade from i-mate [i-mate.com] is I am sure that the Bluetooth Navman 4100 GPS unit and the GPS TomTom3 software are 'hanging' more often which is annoying - any suggestions please ?
Than you for an excellent site.
Charles
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I was using MS Voice Command on my iMate PPC Phone edition. It wasn't a very happy marriage. My iMate would hang to the point where it needed a hard reset about once every or every other week. After a call to iMate tech support and removing the MS Voice Command as suggested, my iMate is much much more stable. Prior to using MS Voice Command with the iMate, I was using it with a T-Mobile PPC Phone Edition. It worked flawlessly. So based on that and other similar experiences (SimCity2000 worked on the t-mo device but not on the iMate) I can't help but suspect the iMate for not being terribly compatible with several different software titles.
Thanks for your information about the voice command - really sad to hear the i-mate doesn't work with it - I won't buy it !
Kind regards
Vito
Why don't you try Vito Voice Dialer PE ?
Guys what are you talking about !! Can't you see that everyone of you is using different ROM!!! But the hardware is still the same !! HIMALAYA.
Imate,XDA2,T-Mobile MDA2,Qtek2020... has the same hardware!
Microsoft Voice Command works with WM2003. It is good as long as the quantity of contacts you have is limited. In larger quantities, confusion starts! (besides the fact that you have to pronounce the names in a typical american accent)
Vito Voice Dialer has 2 different phone edition versions (one for XDA and one for XDAII). Each number has to be trained, but then you can use nicknames and aliases, and it works.
Ok. After searching through the forums, and trying various things, I've finally given up...
The goal: To enable bluetooth DUN for WM6.
According to Microsoft, this feature was originally removed due to the thought that their 'Connection Sharing' feature was superior. Unfortunately, my TomTom 910 will ONLY connect via DUN. So, obviously I would like that 'feature' back!
Do any of the chefs out there have access to this feature, and can create a CAB to enable it on my 8525??
This would REALLY be appreciated. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here who misses this feature.
thanks.
I'm with you
Me too
I'm in the same boat. 8525 and 910. Would love a fix.
Kevin
Considering how the change was made to WM6, it is probably unlikely anyone would be able to bring back without issues. I think it is time TomTom start supporting WM6.
Not very hopeful
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309996
Unfortunately, from Menneysys' answer it looks like Ipsi2000 is correct.
I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
1. Use duplicate sim and keep another phone in the car to connecto to TomTom
2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
3. Hope that TomTom upgrades the firmware to support BlueTooth PAN over ICS (That will happen just after hell freezes over. We'll probably have to buy the TomTom 920 or something...)
4. Flash our Hermes back to a pre AKU 3 WM5 ROM (Nooooooooooo!)
cuccureddu said:
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
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I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
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2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
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I also miss DUN thingy (I have M$ BT stack on my toshiba with completely crippled/non functional PAN and don't really feel like experimenting with Widcomm BT stack right now). So, no GPRS/EDGE internet connection for me - I kind of got used to it with my old P910...
There is an idea though - I did a little digging in the BT services branch of WM6 registry and I've got an impression that DUN functionality is still there it's just has to be enabled via registry (dunno why I got so sure though). What you can try is to ask somebody with pre-AKU 3 wm5 device to dump the registry for you and compare Bluetooth branch (the part where it lists services) with your WM6 device.
It's just a hunch - if what you are saying about operators enabling DUN BT service at their discretion is true, then this trick could actually work out.
i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?
Acuum2 said:
i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?
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Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.
The worst part is that, according with MS blog, they DIDN'T remove BT DUN, they give it to the operators, and they can choose to add or not BT DUN to their ROM.
Just isn't in DEFAULT rom, is an option
So, somewere, the MS BT DUN should be available!
I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
It is MILES better than ****ty Bluetooth DUN. I use TomTom on an ancient Ipaq PDA, and even that supports PAN. Not only does it support it, its miles miles more stable. It doesn't require you to dial-up every time you go through a tunnel, or under a bridge, it just works.
I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!
I know, my car is miles away from my feet, but sometimes I need to go were only feet are allowed
The problem isn't what is better but why they removed BT DUN instead of leaving it..
I am a bad, bad, bad boy, but I believe there is some marketing strategy behind, like AS4.5 NEEDED for WM6 not working with outloook 2002, with NT...
al3xxx said:
Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.
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al3xxx
Here you go,
sorry did the entire thing...
well i added the WM DUN reg keys to my Elf WM06 and its not enabled the DUN service... (not surprised, if it were that simple it would have been figured out weeks ago... So what's next?)
Microsoft saying they give the DUN to the operators sounds fishy. Let's face it, Microsoft would prefer everyone uses PAN (considering it provides all the features available in DUN and plus more). They basically said to the operators we will support PAN, however if you wish you can implement DUN but you will have support it yourself and any issues that may crop up due this implementation. Most operators would not want the additional support or issues that may come up due to them providing a deprecated function. PAN is the replacement for DUN and there is very little we could do about it.
Software vendors need to adopt PAN or it may not work with WM6.
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I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
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I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!
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Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...
al3xxx said:
Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...
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Thats funny, I use my WM6 device with XP with no troubles.
I suggest you need computer lessons.
To re-iterate, TomTom is going to have to update THEIR Bluetooth stack, unfortunately. PAN is almost identical to DUN, it just has an interface on the phone now, whereas you had to do it all from your PC before. If you don't believe me that it's virtually identical, look in your WM6 registry. The PAN service is STILL CALLED "DIAL UP NETWORKING" in the registry. Furthermore, if you recall, when you pair your phone to your pc, the phone offers DUN as a service!! Do you see PAN in that service list? No... because it's DUN!! Same thing, folks.
All MS was shooting for was the ability to make it easier to dial up to the internet through the phone, not to mention, add the functionality to become a Network node. It's the same thing as buying a new pc these days that doesn't come with a dial up modem. Why not? Because it comes with a network adapter.
TomTom is going to have to update their stack to recognize this service.. not the other way around.
Stpete111,
I emailed Tom Tom about this today, and their attitude is as follows:
I told them I have a M3100 that their attitude was - we don't no support phones with WM 5 OR 6 especially NOT this device! But get this, they DO support the O2 XDA Mini S....so I don't think they understand that they are already supporting a WM5 device....
Anyway, there was no indication that they intend to change this, and I suspect that they won't.
So I suspect you'll have four choices:
1) Live without any phone when using you're TTG - not an option if you've already subscribed to one of their services.
2) Go back to WM5 - where it will work - far from ideal.
3) Get a spare phone that will work, and a duplicate sim - not that easy...
Or finally, 4) Invest in a device that's more current that WILL support WM6 devices.
Anyway, that's my thoughts - I've yet to make up my mind. But I'm not holding out any hope of TT changing their minds!!
Matt
Here's an update:
I have spoken with TomTom regarding this issue, and this is what I have found out. It's not really good news.
TomTom is phasing out the cell phone connection to their GPS units. All future units do NOT use cell phones to access traffic and weather info. They will ONLY use FM antenna for their data.
So, TomTom probably won't be updating their Bluetooth stack for us current-generation GPS owners. Their next generation ships in July.
Ideally, (for me at least), I would like to have BOTH DUN and PAN services on WM6. That way, for "older" devices, we still have connectivity, while at the same time, future devices can use PAN.
(just my .02c)
Has anyone tried Garmin products? I have tried two Garmin units but NOT with Bluetooth, so I don't know anything about their BT functionality. I DO know however that I much prefer the Garmin devices to TomTom's. Not trying to spark a debate here over which is better... but perhaps checking out Garmin's capabilities is a 5th option?
Hi all,
I have blue&me in my car and hermes with WM6.
Everything works fine except sms reader. Simply when I receive an sms nothing happened. On display there is no information that new message arrive.
Can I install some software on my hermes to by ably use this functionality ??
M.Thanks.
blue&me + sms reader
i have to blue&me (fiat bravo), and sms reader doesn't work with Windows Mobile.
I try with HTC Wizard (WM5), now i'm using HTC Diamond (ERA (polish t-mobile) edition), and sms reader still not works. Jetwaremobile is not resolving problem.
All others function works fine with wizard and diamond.
XDA Diamond O2 Rom - No Messagereading function - its a Blame! Blue and Me Based on Windows CE
I'm guessing that they are using some sort of "standard" for the blue and me sms.
A couple of my really old nokia flip phones would pair with my Mac, and it would read and send sms messages just fine. But on a later Nokia, my Hermes, and even my Blackjack, it no longer works because the phones handle the messages in a different way.
As far as I know, there is no way to make it work.
Same was with m dear old Palm TT. SMSes works with the mervelous Nokia 6310i but with the newer phones they dont.
M
Hello,
The same with my HTC Diamond2... its a shame...
And i'm nuts not to find a solution for that...
Im sure that its easy to find an answer but the big boss here arent interested for that..
So pity
Anyone found a solution?
It would be great..
Yes I'd like to know why it doesn't work too. Over on the Alfa and Fiat forums the only phones that seem to work with the message reader are sony ericson... Oh and I also found the SMS reader worked with an old Motorola V3X. I was hoping it might work with WM 6.5 but no go
Thought BA owners considering 'upgrading' to the Kaiser (TyTN II / MDA Vario III) may appreciate my experiences:
- No unlock generally available (yet) if you buy a branded version;
- No infrared port (well the OS has an option to "receive incoming beams", but I can't find one it);
- No dedicated earphone jack;
- Impossible to use dual-sim adapter (yet?);
- Need to upgrade to ActiveSync 4.5 and Lotus EasySync Pro 4.2.4 or 4.2.5 to sync WM6 Calendar / Contacts with Lotus Notes. IBM currently charging over £50 ukp for 4.2.5 if you don't have a corporate licence;
- A pain to sync with Vista; and
- Really fiddly set of key-presses to start composing an SMS.
Maybe I should have called this post "Things I miss about my BA"?
Back to the BA.
I know man I went from the BA/SX66 to the imate KJAM, to the TMo MDA, to the Cingular 8525. Then was considering the Universal. But when I just happened to cruise these BA forums and saw that the Helmi WM6 ROM was out. Loaded it to the SX66 and I was jakked! WM6 on the Large Screen. The other Devices were no longer a quantum leap ahead. My SX66 was worn out which is what started my search for a replacement. I've found it! The O2 XDA IIs with Helmi's WM6 and Xsplodes Touch cabs. A Masterpiece!
I just bought my htc p3600i preloaded with WM6 yesterday. I intent to use this device as my pda and data device only, while I am having another phone, i.e nokia 8800 black as my talking phone (1st phone).
Well, probably i am not quite 'alone' using 2 phones together with me all the time, but I feel that it is so convenient that way, talking only using my 1st phone (nokia 8800) while the pda (htc p3600i) was used only to take notes, appointments, accessing the web, downloading my e-mail and I am enjoyed using my 3rd party sms software (Simple SMS v5) which was installed in the pda to send and receive sms via my 1st phone, nokia 8800 through bluetooth connection. I usually left my pda togeher with my working headache on sunday, and just bring my handphone, which makes me happier having it that way.
My problem is, since i bought the htc p3600i yesterday, I couldn't use my pda to send and receive sms via bluetooth through my 1st phone anymore, just like using my previous Asus P535 running WM5. I realise that there is not much 'Bluetooth Serial Port' services shown in any of its communication port anymore, not like the previous Asus P535 having WM5, while connecting and pairing it to my nokia phone. The only bluetooth service available on my new pda was 'Serial Port' and 'Dialup Networking', compare to 'Com 1' on my previous WM5 device.
Could somebody help me on my silly problem that I have, before I drop a bricks on my new pda, and start telling me what to do next. I got a feeling that the WM6 doesn't allow the connection anymore, rather than the device is not compatible due to some reason. Or, shall I downgrade my device back to WM5, but how?
I feel that the technology is changing TOO fast, without letting me make any savings to purchase another new device.
Thank you fella.
Hmmm..very sad that nobody have answered my question..
Until I finally found myself the answer, HTC Trinity Plus (p3600i) is using 'Microsoft Bluetooth Stack', comparing to my previous device using 'Widcomm Bluetooth Stack'..
But where can I found Widcomm Bluetooth Stack which is compatible with HTC Trinity Plus (HTC P3600i) running WM6 to hack MS Bluetooth Stack?