I started using the official WM6 ROM when it was released. It has been very stable but I start noticing that each time I stopped all programs, the available program memory gets smaller and smaller. Does others notice this problem?
Rotaflex
even other cooked rom has the same behaviour. it has been like that since the earliest PocketPC os.
IE cached files take up memory
Try deleting the IE browser cached files, that may be the problem.
IE -> Tools -> Options -> Memory -> Delete Files
Compare the free memory before and after ...
aublumberg said:
Try deleting the IE browser cached files, that may be the problem.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm certain it's not the IE browser cached files. I don't surf the web with the gadget.
I guess it's a problem that everyone just live with?
Hi, I agree with alanchia67 that this has always been there. Some roms seem better than others, but all have some inefficiency of garbage collection. (an issue with the OS) In the past I made a habit of soft-resetting every night to keep performance and stability up. Lately, I haven't needed to worry about it as much.
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I did different test, closing and opening applications and take a look at the free memory. I suspect the email software that comes with Microsoft is big culprit? I have to keep resetting the device to free up memory. Does anyone has similar experience?
Are you ppl are on crack?, I get well over a week uptime, and haven't hard reset in months, the only maintenance I perform is clearing the browser cache from within pocket IE, and that isn't even something that truly has to be done.
I always wonder why stability is even asked about in these latest roms, Im running an older than dirt version compared to what is out there now...I can't imagine it is actually better, and the only issue that causes me to have to power it off, is when the hardware keyboard decides to quit working, and that's a hardware issue.
No fancy task manager, just have a proper shortcut to the running programs screen, and my keys are so worn down from usage, that there is hardly any paint on them, the spacebar is cracked in half, and three of them have corners missing, so don't go trying to blame MS the problem is the user.
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Are you ppl are on crack?, I get well over a week uptime, and haven't hard reset in months, the only maintenance I perform is clearing the browser cache from within pocket IE, and that isn't even something that truly has to be done.
I always wonder why stability is even asked about in these latest roms, Im running an older than dirt version compared to what is out there now...I can't imagine it is actually better, and the only issue that causes me to have to power it off, is when the hardware keyboard decides to quit working, and that's a hardware issue.
No fancy task manager, just have a proper shortcut to the running programs screen, and my keys are so worn down from usage, that there is hardly any paint on them, the spacebar is cracked in half, and three of them have corners missing, so don't go trying to blame MS the problem is the user.
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I read this thread a couple times and i dont think anyone here is complaining about stability, its more of a memory leak issue thats on going with these roms! I too experience this with all the roms ive tried, and noticed the more ram available, the more quick and efficient the rom runs. No ones on crack here man!
Try using a memory hibernation program In order to regain back memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
Hope It works for you
It worked for me like 3 years and still going....
Princeasi, I was just talking about stability, cause it was mentioned by Ed, that he has to softreset reset everynight to keep performance and stbility up.
But ok...Ill stick to the topic at hand, there is no memory leak, closing programs restores the memory usage to normal levels, I might boot up with 40%, and in a weeks time, its only at 50%, that's hardly a memory leak.
If you guys wanna see real memory leaks, go download one of the early alpha versions of Longhorn aka Vista, it will run itself completely out of memory, and shutdown in under 8 hrs.
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Princeasi, I was just talking about stability, cause it was mentioned by Ed, that he has to softreset reset everynight to keep performance and stbility up.
But ok...Ill stick to the topic at hand, there is no memory leak, closing programs restores the memory usage to normal levels, I might boot up with 40%, and in a weeks time, its only at 50%, that's hardly a memory leak.
If you guys wanna see real memory leaks, go download one of the early alpha versions of Longhorn aka Vista, it will run itself completely out of memory, and shutdown in under 8 hrs.
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Well congratulations, you're the only one out there without memory leaks...
Just kidding, but I just can't believe you don't have memory leaks when you use the most common applications.
Wich ROM do you use, any memory or task managers?
pietrucci said:
I just can't believe you don't have memory leaks when you use the most common applications.
Wich ROM do you use, any memory or task managers?
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I can't agree more, checking messages, that's what I experience memory leak. Unless someone buys a Hermes and just use it for a phone. You probably won't have memory leak then.
Memory leak or no memory leak. Reset your device once a day for a better perfomance. That's what MS Windows OSes need.
Hi,
Clear Temp its a nice Tool to delete temporary files etc., see screen shots.
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Memory Leak
ClearTemp only free up a very small amount of memory. I am surprise we have to keep living with soft-reset everyday? I doubt iPhone needs that everyday?
ChaoticDruid said:
Are you ppl are on crack?, and my keys are so worn down from usage, that there is hardly any paint on them, the spacebar is cracked in half, the problem is the user.
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Dont say crack if you dont have any to share
Memory Leak
Is there a fix to memory leak? This thing is driving me crazy.
rotaflex said:
Is there a fix to memory leak? This thing is driving me crazy.
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All MS products have memory, thats why we shut and reboot pcs every so often, or else it will tend to get slower...
Same thing with WM6, they do have memory leaks, and it depends on which ROM you are running...
I noticed that Official OS have a lot of memory leak, also the memory leak increases as you add more programs to your device...
I might be called CRACK , but this is my opinion.
PS: Running Schap's 3.57a, it seems to have better memory than the official ROM.
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Dont say crack if you dont have any to share
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I think he's upset that his keys are physically cracked
You guys are F*&%IN NUTZ. I LOVE IT!!
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Here are some tests I have done on BLACK 2.5
File System Memory Allocation: the more memory WM6 allocates, the faster it will run.
Font Cache: the more memory allocation, a faster UI is possible.
Black 2.5 CLEAN Install - FREE RAM on Soft Reset: ~32MB
File System Memory Allocation: Auto
Font Cache: 8192 bytes
Customizations for you to try:
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~24MB)
File System Memory Allocation: 8mb
Font Cache: 32768 bytes
Performance - Faster WM6 (FREE RAM: ~28MB)
File System Memory Allocation: 4mb
Font Cache: 32768 bytes
Memory - More Free RAM trading off Speed (FREE RAM: ~ 32MB)
File System Memory Allocation: close to zero
Font Cache: 2000 bytes
Going back to the Defaul BLACK 2.5 setting:
Default BLACK - Let WM6 decide - (FREE RAM: mixed results depending on usage)
File System Memory Allocation: Auto (determined by WM6)
Font Cache: 8192 bytes
Ensure you SOFT RESET after installing one of the cabs.
Also, if moving from one CAB setting to another e.g. Memory --> Buzzing, then uninstall Memory, then install Buzzing and soft reset.
Post your results here in this thread.
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Only for Black 2.5 or can we all use it?
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Only for Black 2.5 or can we all use it?
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no probs, all can use it, but im not sure what the default settings are on the other ROMS for you to revert back to.
hello !
what does it really do ? can this harm the machine ? what about battery (faster = drain of batt) ?
Thx in advance
DR400 said:
hello !
what does it really do ? can this harm the machine ? what about battery (faster = drain of batt) ?
Thx in advance
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It does not harm the hermes, it just allocates more or less memory (leaving less or more usable) to the file system.
Not sure about battery implications but I beleive it will be the same.
ok I trust you on this one ... i'm gonna try ... let you know about drain of battery (if any) in line with my personnal usage.
just installed ... it looks to me like as fast as black 2.0 ... by the way I was a bit disappointed by 2.5 in comparison with 2.0. Execution of softwares seemed to be faster in 2.0. Using the "buzzing" effect seems to equal in a way the reactiveness of 2.0
Just first thoughts ...
thanks jasjamming!
i've tried all, and i prefer 'performance'. also, i've change the close application configuration. a tap exits the application, a longer tap closes it. this gives me more control.
Cool, i'll have to play with these! When you allocate more ram to windows, does it come off the Program or Storage space?
As a side note, i havn't noticed Black 2.5 to be any slower than 2.0...
Nice job JJ - could this be made into a utility?
Hey JJ, nice work dude - will give those a try over the weekend (on call until Friday, so phone has to stay in one piece until then!!)
As a matter of interest, if those CAB files are "just registry settings" (haven't looked, so this is just speculation!), could a utility be written to allow the same values to be adjusted by the user? The system memory and font cache could be controlled by a slider, and the options in the CAB files could be auto-selected from a drop-down list; once any change is made, the user gets the chance to Apply or Cancel and if they tap Apply, the phone is soft-reset....
****, I've just written a program spec in three minutes
Just a thought - obviously, if the CAB files do some things that can't easily be handled at the UI level, this is a non-starter
......reckon Walshie could knock this together between tinnies
What say ye?
Mark.
Oh yes, I like buzzing......
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As a side note, i havn't noticed Black 2.5 to be any slower than 2.0...
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well just a personal opinion ... maybe switching from WM5 to black 2.0 was such that the gap between black 2.0 and 2.5 was not what expected ...
black 2.0 was damn fast for me ...
black 2.5 is still fast but ... well ... could be better for some applications I use.
but thx JJ for the work done ... those remarks are just for adding my humble stone to the mountain of work you have done so far
installed buzzing, hoping for some improvements! thanks for this
On older WM6 versions changing cache size made the device unstable
Did you notice any stability changes? does your device freeze?
by default all cache is set to auto and WM6 allocates more and more to the cache(something many users thought was memory leakedge).
I think 8MB is more then enough, the FONT cache should be on 32K(from my tests on the older WM5).
JASJAMMING, your the BEST, thank you for all the efforts!
so guys, Did you notice any stability changes?
i think it's too early to judge on stability. let us run for days and comment later. so far so good for me.
I'm on the Performance setting - can notice a slight difference....
Shot JJ - Pro 2.5 is going AWESOME so far...
Just installed buzzing and my 8525 is definitely more snappy.
Did a quick test with multiple apps running (Messaging, WMP -playing music, IE, and Live Search open) and everything is running smoothly. Although the 8 mb takes a big chunk out of your program memory.
Looks like more great work JJ.
yums
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no probs, all can use it, but im not sure what the default settings are on the other ROMS for you to revert back to.
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JJ,
This is excellent work Bro.
Thanks,
DR400 said:
just installed ... it looks to me like as fast as black 2.0 ... by the way I was a bit disappointed by 2.5 in comparison with 2.0. Execution of softwares seemed to be faster in 2.0. Using the "buzzing" effect seems to equal in a way the reactiveness of 2.0
Just first thoughts ...
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Have to admit I was thinking the same, 2.0 flew and 2.5 was seemingly a little slower. I didn't want to post my thoughts without giving it a chance but have been using since release day.
I have just installed buzzing and early indicators are good, I will report back on stability/speed in a few days.
Thanks JJ.
Well, it's about time for the X50v!
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Ok, I know I've been lagging on working on this device here lately. But apparently even though I don't know how this happened, or why it waited so long to happen, I've finally have been able to build you all a working ROM for the X50v. This is a test release. This is not going to be my final A09 release for this device. So please test the crap out of it, and notify me of any bugs/problems. Only thing I think might be wrong with this ROM, is the IrDA. But I'm working on that. But test it anyway.
Enjoy!
Test #1: Click here to download
Test #2: Click here to download
*** Changes in Test #2 ***
1. Turned Off Error Reporting (Forgot to remove Icon in settings)
2. Removed/Turned Off SQM A.K.A. Customer Feedback
3. Added WM6.1 Speed Enhancements (Partial INITVMMAP)
4. Added Wireless Power
*** Test #1 BUGS **
1. Not sure IrDA is working.
2. I forgot to include .NET 2.0. So Some apps do not load. It is attached below.
*** Test #2 BUGS **
1. Not sure IrDA is working.
2. .NET 2.0. Not Included (Build Errors). So Some apps do not load. It is attached below.
Yay! Fantastic news! Thanks a bunch Lennysh! I'll try it, well, asap, which unfortunately will probably not be in the next few days
But again, many thanks for your work, great news for all X50v owners!
Cricri said:
Yay! Fantastic news! Thanks a bunch Lennysh! I'll try it, well, asap, which unfortunately will probably not be in the next few days
But again, many thanks for your work, great news for all X50v owners!
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Kewl, might be best anyway. I should have a newer one out later on today I hope. Should be even faster than this one...
Is this one UC based?
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Is this one UC based?
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No, but next release due out today I hope will be. All my X51v ROMs are UC. This one I released cause I was so happy to get it working. But it is a good copy once you install .NET.
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No, but next release due out today I hope will be. All my X51v ROMs are UC. This one I released cause I was so happy to get it working. But it is a good copy once you install .NET.
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Thanks for your reply... I am NOW updating my device. But I guess it will take forever to load it in to the NOR. The biggest trouble I am having is the slow down and 100% CPU issue with Maglite A03. Hope this one works better.
mcdull said:
Thanks for your reply... I am NOW updating my device. But I guess it will take forever to load it in to the NOR. The biggest trouble I am having is the slow down and 100% CPU issue with Maglite A03. Hope this one works better.
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Well, Like I said, my next test release will be faster than this one. And I will be researching the FILESYS thing also, so maybe, who knows, I might be able to tune that down a little bit. I do not think the FILESYS problem exists on every NOR device running WM5+.
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Well, Like I said, my next test release will be faster than this one. And I will be researching the FILESYS thing also, so maybe, who knows, I might be able to tune that down a little bit. I do not think the FILESYS problem exists on every NOR device running WM5+.
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After reading lots of tech document, I now convinced that the filesys / compaction issue is not avoidable. But fine tuning the cache / file system could help a bit. It is just a damn thing that Dell / HP just don't want to change the 4K sector for NOR device.
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After reading lots of tech document, I now convinced that the filesys / compaction issue is not avoidable. But fine tuning the cache / file system could help a bit. It is just a damn thing that Dell / HP just don't want to change the 4K sector for NOR device.
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Well, I've only recently used the X50v any really. So I don't know much of this problem. But if there is any regedit's that you know of that helps, and anything you think that can be done, please post. It will not hurt me a bit to add what I can to the ROM, and try anything at all to improve this "bug".
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Well, I've only recently used the X50v any really. So I don't know much of this problem. But if there is any regedit's that you know of that helps, and anything you think that can be done, please post. It will not hurt me a bit to add what I can to the ROM, and try anything at all to improve this "bug".
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Most of the tweaks don't actually work. The issue is related to the time take to erase used block in NOR. It take few seconds for one block and therefore it will not erase until it is actually needed to be used. And when it is out of available block, everything will stop working (100% CPU load) until some free blocks are available. So the only solution is to put as little file as possible into the ROM, and put EVERYTHING changeable items into the SD CARD.
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Most of the tweaks don't actually work. The issue is related to the time take to erase used block in NOR. It take few seconds for one block and therefore it will not erase until it is actually needed to be used. And when it is out of available block, everything will stop working (100% CPU load) until some free blocks are available. So the only solution is to put as little file as possible into the ROM, and put EVERYTHING changeable items into the SD CARD.
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Post all the regedits needed to set the SD Card/CF Card as the target folder for anything you think we need to. I know you can do this for cache/temporary internet files. I just want to see all the one's that the X50v user's think are necessary to try and help this as much as possible.
Change pagepool to 0M will make filesys happier. Filesys may still use a lot of CPU sometimes, but the response delay during that time will be acceptable. Can you change the pagepool to 0M?
quick post for bug.
Wifi works only when switched off and enable with wifi button.
It cannot be controlled with software only.
Same happens in MagLite ROM
yboy said:
Change pagepool to 0M will make filesys happier. Filesys may still use a lot of CPU sometimes, but the response delay during that time will be acceptable. Can you change the pagepool to 0M?
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Well, I usually set all my pagepools to 5 megs for X51v, but I will post a pagepool changer with this rom added to the list in it. That way people can change it themselves depending on what they like.
mcdull said:
quick post for bug.
Wifi works only when switched off and enable with wifi button.
It cannot be controlled with software only.
Same happens in MagLite ROM
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It's using same OEM folder from MagLites Kitchen. So this is why that still is a bug. I will be working on this to try and fix.
That will be great. The slowness is mostly caused by write to the page pool, so change it to 0M really helps. Besides, all changeable file should be relocated to CF / SD card, by registry or other tricks. That will make x50v faster.
x50v is largly different from x51v becoz of the NOR flash.
It is simply unusable when filesys kicks in..
My experience is that.. with 80MB free storage, sometimes I need to spend 5 minutes to start opera and get into google (the first page). Which is simply... unacceptable.
yboy said:
Change pagepool to 0M will make filesys happier. Filesys may still use a lot of CPU sometimes, but the response delay during that time will be acceptable. Can you change the pagepool to 0M?
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Page Pool Editor from paveld has been attached to first post of this thread with X50v A09 ROM added to the list at the bottom. As you will see, the default Page Pool for this ROM was 4 megs already. So that is what you all are using right now. But least now you can change it, then re-flash. Let me know how this works for you.
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That will be great. The slowness is mostly caused by write to the page pool, so change it to 0M really helps. Besides, all changeable file should be relocated to CF / SD card, by registry or other tricks. That will make x50v faster.
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Can you post those regedit's since you probably know all the best ones to use?
I have disabled cache of IE (Using Tweaks2K2.NET) and NetFront, and install everything on CF card. This helped a lot.
The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.
Below are screenshots of some Javascript apps and the app menu.
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or we can develope applications that download to the phone and dont require internet?
Personally, two things: no connection needed, saves.
The nvidia part is a monster if used right, and we have a qwerty to map as keys for random emulators (if the OS protection is broken).
And i will use javascript to do some jailbreak or something, like i stated and/or normal website ajax requests....
johnkussack said:
Personally, two things: no connection needed, saves.
The nvidia part is a monster if used right, and we have a qwerty to map as keys for random emulators (if the OS protection is broken).
And i will use javascript to do some jailbreak or something, like i stated and/or normal website ajax requests....
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I see where you're coming from. It's just this phone is so locked down and we haven't been able to get around it... Possibly some time in the future we may. This is just a proposal for one of the possibilities. I also like the idea of jailbreaking through javascript.
dezgrz said:
The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.=QUOTE]
Only if we could download Javascript Apps...
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WP7-KIN said:
dezgrz said:
The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.
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Only if we could download Javascript Apps...
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Well, in theory if we could access the storage of the phone so we could read/write files to it... we could store the document on the phone and point the browser to it's location.
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Well, in theory if we could access the storage of the phone so we could read/write files to it... we could store the document on the phone and point the browser to it's location.
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as far as i know, KIN's browser doesn't support urls starting with "ftp://" and "file://"
So, i see no way to access files through browser.
JavaScript App Development in Browser
I've experimented with developing hosted applications to run in the web browser (data connection required). Unfortunately, the double-tap delay introduces an irritating latency into the browser's response, making it seem slow. It waits for a second tap for zooming in, then responds to a single tap if the second tap doesn't occur within the wait period.
My experiment was to clone the Calculator application, adding scientific functions below the first step of buttons. When the phone is held horizontally, you have a basic calculator. Turning it vertically reveals the extended functions. Anyway, this latency causes the application's response to lag behind your input.
www .gregsearle.com/kin/scicalc.html (work in progress, somewhat flaky, you'll need to reassemble this link).
This is great, thanks for posting up this website. Does anyone know of other places to access these types of games?
The scientific calculator is finished as a proof-of-concept test, but the browser's tap lag makes it difficult to use. If there was a way to eliminate this lag, browser-based apps may be an effective solution.
I know this sounds noob-ish, but if this thing is based on WP7, then we can
a) get the Windows Phone 7 people to help us create a virus/something to crack the system.
b) Use the Chevron WP7 unlocker to hack the KIN. http://www.chevronwp7.com/
c) Connect an external harddrive/USB to this and see if we can get a connection. If we do, we can load up some sort of program like CWM to flash ROMS, edit the system, etc.
I know my ideas might be stupid, but doesn't hurt to try.
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but if this thing is based on WP7
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The thing is that as far as we know, its based on Windows CE 6, not WP7 sorry (though I may be mistaken with my facts)
got one
i found a game that is cached on the phone so it can be played without a connection... www.iminesweeper.com. it's as the name implies minesweeper, but it's better than nothing
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I know this sounds noob-ish, but if this thing is based on WP7, then we can
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mscoolnerd said:
The thing is that as far as we know, its based on Windows CE 6, not WP7 sorry (though I may be mistaken with my facts)
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Correct. The phone was originally planned to be the first WP7 product, but due to time and other issues, they used a very customised build of Windows Mobile 6.
The phone will always attempt to cache the last page loaded so that you can access it offline for a while. However, some pages can't be cached.
Just a thought
Before anyone freaks out on me, know that I haven't done any programming in 10 years (so I'm pretty much useless there), but I can do research for things people have done in the past. I stumbled across a method to cache games called "cache manifest". It seems to have been used by iphone/ipad users a lot (not sure why since they have apps). However, I did add a couple of the games I found that use it to my "apps" page on my KIN and while they can't be played (I guess not a compatible Java), I was able to pull it up 10 hours later without WIFI and see the start screen and some counters and drop down menus. Wondering if anyone has any experience with this and can mention if it may help. If this is useless sorry for wasting every bodies time. I'll give a couple example below.
touchsolitaire.mobi/app
www.roccles.com/external/jquerymobilelocalstorage/
www.gauravmanek.com/projects/3dminesweeper/ipad/index_ipad.html
We see all the specs a device has except ROM size and ROM is even more important than RAM, CPU which are always listed on devices. Lucky for me my HD7 ROM was listed but you don't get to see them on the lumias, titans etc . All that is listed is internal, RAM, CPU. No ROM and GPU. Meanwhile we all know phones are not updated based on ROM,something most people don't know and it's a very important spec which is not listed. You get to see rom size at settings on most android phones but not windows phones and as a windows phone user and lover, I'm concerned. How can we know our ROM sizes??
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What does it matter, if I may ask? As long, as it fits updates, there is no reason for you to need to view it . GPU is tied to the CPU itself pretty much.
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What does it matter, if I may ask? As long, as it fits updates, there is no reason for you to need to view it . GPU is tied to the CPU itself pretty much.
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It matters because it's now becoming clearer that phones get major OS updates due to their ROM size. In the android world, most pho e will nt get the ICS because the ICS package is way bigger than their ROM sizes.So i will rather get a pone with a bigger ROM just to assure myself of major OS updates can can only do this if the ROM size is listed.
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It matters because it's now becoming clearer that phones get major OS updates due to their ROM size. In the android world, most pho e will nt get the ICS because the ICS package is way bigger than their ROM sizes.So i will rather get a pone with a bigger ROM just to assure myself of major OS updates can can only do this if the ROM size is listed.
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WP is not android, MS has be doing OS's alot longer than google, both mobile and PC, they know what they are doing. ROM size doesn't and shouldn't mean anything to the end user.
does the updates go straight to ROM? i don't think so, they store first on the memory of the phone, therefore stays in some updates "you must have some storage memory free to update..."
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does the updates go straight to ROM? i don't think so, they store first on the memory of the phone, therefore stays in some updates "you must have some storage memory free to update..."
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The update gets downloaded to a temporary folder and then it gets installed to ROM.
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The update gets downloaded to a temporary folder and then it gets installed to ROM.
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thats what i said just another words so why does it matter which size the ROM is... the only what really matters is RAM, because if the want to try to port win8 to 512mb of RAM, thats really tight for all apps, think just of your pc now, i have the consumer preview of windows 8 and in normal use, on start it uses over 500mb of RAM. and with 2gb of RAM i am not able to use it seamlessly like windows phone 7
i whish we all get wp8 update on all of our wp7 handsets. i relly whish that but i look from an other site to it. from the site if it is possible or not... and i think its not possible to get the same experience now on our 1gen device like on a arm win8 tablet...
ROM is a paramount component. I own a HTC Amaze 4G (pretty high end) which has got 2.5 GB of ROM size and stock firmware. By the end of the day (I mean with loads of apps moved to SD), I still face the problem of "insufficient storage available" crap and after a total wipe out using cache cleaner+, I am left with about 250 MB of ROM which is pathetic.
In 2011, ROM size is still the bottleneck in smartphones. Good job phone designers, you had our money and messed up with our brain. I wonder which smartphones out there are having at least >5 GB of ROM?
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ROM is a paramount component. I own a HTC Amaze 4G (pretty high end) which has got 2.5 GB of ROM size and stock firmware. By the end of the day (I mean with loads of apps moved to SD), I still face the problem of "insufficient storage available" crap and after a total wipe out using cache cleaner+, I am left with about 250 MB of ROM which is pathetic.
In 2011, ROM size is still the bottleneck in smartphones. Good job phone designers, you had our money and messed up with our brain. I wonder which smartphones out there are having at least >5 GB of ROM?
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how do you mean insufficient storage available? rom is not and read/write memory, its just and READ memory. so it can not be used to store you personal data or anything similar... do you think maybe RAM? you device has 1gb RAM, and if your apps working in the background that beside the UI and the whole system you have no more RAM available that can happen. but insufficient rom? ROm is only used to "store" your system, but the data collected in the system such as phone numbers, pictures, cache are in the storage memory (external sd card) or (internal memory as it is internal "hidden" sd card) and not in the ROM.
We need to wait
We need to wait~！
Hmmm for checking ROM memory size I'm using Memory status
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Hmmm for checking ROM memory size I'm using Memory status
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Is that 512MB ROM (Green)? 475MB usable?
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Is that 512MB ROM (Green)? 475MB usable?
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i think that is phone memory of all 476mb or 475mb. and i think that is RAM, not ROM. everybody say here ROM (READ only memory) for RAM (Random access memory) the ROM has only the system, the bootloader and so on, the RAM is used for app cache and other things. same as a PC RAM, it stores your open or last used programs od dokuments. and i have an htc 7 pro too. and it has 476mb of RAM, and not ROM. the ROM in the htc 7 pro is 512mb.
guys, just to show you how hungry is Sense in RAM usage
i stopped all apps and still ~700 MB of RAM still used? wth
anyways, the phone is still snappy and very smooth even with many apps running, i was just surprised how hungry like a wolf Sense is
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Do you think you could post a video of yourself playing with the browser? I have one preordered and would like to see how it performs as that is one of the only reasons why I am upgrading from my Nexus One.
RAM is there to be used. As long as you don't experience any out of memory issues and RAM gets freed up when it's needed, any less usage would be a complete waste of memory.
I never found the task manager useful when I had my old Sensation.
The task manager cannot tell the amount of RAM used by active processes (apps) and those been cached. I'd bet half of the RAM are used by cached app, which Android will empty in reverse order if it need more RAM, best go to running process in App section of settings to find out the REAL RAM usage.
P.S. I think there is a setting in the Dev section where you can have a pop up message when RAM is low (80mb).
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Do you think you could post a video of yourself playing with the browser? I have one preordered and would like to see how it performs as that is one of the only reasons why I am upgrading from my Nexus One.
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don't worry all apps including browser are insanely smooth, been burning-in my phone, i drained it in 4 hours after a full charge, with continuous trying of games, browser on wifi and 3G, watching movies, chatting and etc.
and like what others said, "unused RAM is a wasted RAM"
never felt or saw any lag so far
my sony Arc is now begging for some attention, i think i cannot go back to any low-specced device after experiencing this BEASTLY one X!
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RAM is there to be used. As long as you don't experience any out of memory issues and RAM gets freed up when it's needed, any less usage would be a complete waste of memory.
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^What he said^
For what do you need more than 300 MB RAM?
Just to clear you up, it doesn't matter if the RAM is used or not, it does not affect on the battery life.
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don't worry all apps including browser are insanely smooth, been burning-in my phone, i drained it in 4 hours after a full charge, with continuous trying of games, browser on wifi and 3G, watching movies, chatting and etc.
and like what others said, "unused RAM is a wasted RAM"
never felt or saw any lag so far
my sony Arc is now begging for some attention, i think i cannot go back to any low-specced device after experiencing this BEASTLY one X!
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Appreciate it, still would like to see a video, though.
How about you use a real task killer instead of a no good built in bloat? Download advanced task killer from play store and see where it takes you.
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How about you use a real task killer instead of a no good built in bloat? Download advanced task killer from play store and see where it takes you.
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You do know task killers drain more your battery right?
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You do know task killers drain more your battery right?
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And also kill services that are needed by android os sometimes from what I remember.
Just don't use them folks. Like already suggested, use the developer options to set a limit to the amount of background processes that can run if free ram concerns you so much
hehe, i remember thinking the same thing as you OP. Then i pressed the refresh button and it jumped to 420mb free. But yeh, i do agree that Sense 4 isn't exactly light. But hey, its not as bad as previous versions.
Cant some of the sense features be turned off?
I got 430 mb free ram after killing all apps from sense task manger, this on a stock device without any app installed on.
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I got 430 mb free ram after killing all apps from sense task manger, this on a stock device without any app installed on.
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I got 397 running on my DHD and 484 last time I checked on my One X....
This doesn't sound good. I do all my phone web browsing in "desktop" mode as mobile versions of sites often are ****. I use opera mobile and easily use up 120-140 mb ram with "only" 4 tabs. Fortunately opera has the possibility to enable an exit button that clears everything before exiting, but if I don't want to lose a tab yet I have to close the other tabs so the phone don't get sluggish. I have an LG optimus black with 512 mb ram but I'm soon getting the one X.
I don't understand how this works tbh.
I fail to see how Sense 4 takes more ram than Sense 3.6 considering it's "meant" to be more slimline.
Is this just the nature of all Android devices perhaps being portrayed wrong by the task killer?
When I kill everything from task manager I got this. Sometimes I got +500mb free ram.
Has anybody with a one X had Sense restarts? This was my biggest issue with the Sensation where after doing memory heavy tasks like web browsing a ton when you went to the home screen it would have to reload Sense since Android dumped it from memory to create space for apps. I really hate this and its been a problem on HTC phones for a while.
Fyi. 256MB or so of your memory is allocated for graphics so you're starting off with 744MB and so 200-300MB of that is used by the kernel and running services. Having 300MB-400MB free is perfectly normal. My Nexus has 350MB free on average and there's no Sense.
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Has anybody with a one X had Sense restarts? This was my biggest issue with the Sensation where after doing memory heavy tasks like web browsing a ton when you went to the home screen it would have to reload Sense since Android dumped it from memory to create space for apps. I really hate this and its been a problem on HTC phones for a while.
Fyi. 256MB or so of your memory is allocated for graphics so you're starting off with 744MB and so 200-300MB of that is used by the kernel and running services. Having 300MB-400MB free is perfectly normal. My Nexus has 350MB free on average and there's no Sense.
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I haven't encountered any homescreen redraw on my normal usage.
Except when I tried(for fun) opening 5 or 6 videos at the same time(using stick it player), and surely the homescreen redrew, hehe expected because of little RAM left for Sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt1pnyYJP7E
If i check the ICS task manager and kill everything.
First thing that starts up is Flickr (8mb).
I never use Flickr, don't have an account.
I don't need to know more, that's just wrong.