Hi,
Can anyone tell me which is the best cooked ROM based on the official release ? Is Schap's Wm6 superior or Black Satin or some other recipe ?
Thanks
Depends
Sometimes I like Sleuth's rom more
Sometimes Black
Sometimes my own one
As you can read in a lot of other threads you have to test every single rom and find your personal favorite.
Schap's let ROM are more complete and run much faster than the Black one.
Though I do prefer the look of Black.
The best black I've used was Dymond 3.5, much faster than the later one
schap's is the best i've used and io've used nearly all
its by far the quickest and a lot more is included; like the advanced configuration tool and operator/voip settings, some of which cannot be found elsewhere
if you like the look of black you can download and add those files later; i.e. the dialer skin, the comm manager, the splash screen
but i say substance over style, and schap's rom definitely does not lack style and is oozing substance
Have been a long time Black user, but am trying Schaps latest just to see what all the hype about it being much quicker than Satin is all about.
Have set the performance measures to match what I was running Satin with, so should be a fair match.
Will comment after a few days.
Hello,
Schaps Rom is in German language, which a large advantage for us is Germans. In addition the optics with few handles is adapted, so which one differentiated between optically hardly one see can. Programs the Schaps version everything has which one needs, the remainder procures I me. I would not transfer anyhow.
You don't say your service provider, and that makes a difference.
I'm an AT&T (formerly Cingular) 8525 user. Having used and enjoyed most of JJ's "Black" series (with the exception of Satin) I was a fan.
Then I decided to try out vp3G's latest and have found the v3.0 "Official" (with bloatware stripped out) to be the fastest, most stable ROM to date.
No offense intended towards JJ's ROMs (I've donated about $100 to the guy)they looked great but tended to make my 8525 get laggy. Since burning vp's ROM my 8525 is zippy.
Black Satin Vs Schaps
I have used both the roms Black Satin & Scahps latest Roms released on 28/07/07.
Schaps Rom has all the latest upadtes & patches as well all the new goddies.
On the hand black is not having any new updates as jasjam has stopped cooking further any new roms.
Schaps has advantage over Black as it has all latest updates as well as speed is concerned both roms are good.
I am currently using Shaps latest rom it is running pretty fine i would recommend going for Schap's Roms
Timtown said:
I'm an AT&T (formerly Cingular) 8525 user. Having used and enjoyed most of JJ's "Black" series (with the exception of Satin) I was a fan.
Then I decided to try out vp3G's latest and have found the v3.0 "Official" (with bloatware stripped out) to be the fastest, most stable ROM to date.
No offense intended towards JJ's ROMs (I've donated about $100 to the guy)they looked great but tended to make my 8525 get laggy. Since burning vp's ROM my 8525 is zippy.
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Chalk up another vote for vp3G's "Official" ROM. Very stable, quick and responsive.
It all depends on what your looking 4. I've tried most every rom out there and they all have pros and cons. To me sleuths new rom is the best base to start with if you like doing some of your own customizing. Schaps had some problems 4 me, like activesync issues and lag, Black satin has some apps that are not the latest versions. Bottom line is read EVERYTHING and you will be able to set yourself up the way you want.
I haven't tried Sleuth's yet but I'm presently using schap's and have used his older ROM's as well with great success. Prior to that I was running Black and was pretty happy but it was sort of laggy/sluggish to respond with the dialer and through the settings menus.
Like has been said, they all have their pro's / con's... just gotta find what suits you best. Right now for me it is Schap's and if he keeps it up it may be for awhile but I think I'm going to backup my phone and try Sleuth's for grins and giggles sometime next week.
I must admit that I have tried the previous ROM's by JJ, but not Satin.
The reason for this is that there will be no more development work from his side. ( He is getting a new toy)
But the guy is great and thanks for the ROM's in the past.
I have had an issue with Sleuth's new ROM on the Calendar selection button. I have tried his worKabouts, but nothing worked. I even downloaded it again and reinstalled with the same results.
So I went to Schap's latest, and it must be his greatest. Surprisingly with all the extras included is is just as fast as Sleuth's new ROM, but without any issues so far.
My vote musy go for Schaps at this stage.
starbase64 said:
Hello,
Schaps Rom is in German language, which a large advantage for us is Germans. In addition the optics with few handles is adapted, so which one differentiated between optically hardly one see can. Programs the Schaps version everything has which one needs, the remainder procures I me. I would not transfer anyhow.
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What is the plugin on top of the HTC home plugin ?
Thanks and regards
Schaps is probably my favorite but MS VC 1.6 will not work with it(with bt headset) so I have to use Black Satin..
Wish I knew why..
I use a lot of 3rd party software so I always load up my software and then test a ROM.
From my experience, I've usually had issues with Black ROMs... don't get me wrong... Black is an awesome ROM alone but for some reason.... it never played nice with my 3rd party apps.
I then moved to VP3G's 1.0 and that was fantastic. Never had any major issues.
Tried VP3G's 3.0 and I had problems/stability/performance issues. Again... works great alone but I'm a 3rd party app whore.
I then moved to Schap's 3.57a and so far so good.
In my case, 3rd party apps are a must. When I have problem with an 3rd party app and the developer says "Try another app instead..." I'm like, no thanks and move on to another ROM. I don't really believe in Chef loyalty.... rather in ROM stability and the ability to play with 3rd party apps nicely. Don't get me wrong... I respect most of our major ROM chefs (Lately...Schaps, JJ, VP3G, Sleuth, etc....) and I can't expect our chefs to test their ROM with every 3rd party app out there...
Bottom line, You have to try them all and see what works for your setup (with 3rd party apps installed n all).
shafez said:
What is the plugin on top of the HTC home plugin ?
Thanks and regards
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SPB Mobile Shell
Really?
joel32137 said:
I use a lot of 3rd party software so I always load up my software and then test a ROM.
From my experience, I've usually had issues with Black ROMs... don't get me wrong... Black is an awesome ROM alone but for some reason.... it never played nice with my 3rd party apps.
I then moved to VP3G's 1.0 and that was fantastic. Never had any major issues.
Tried VP3G's 3.0 and I had problems/stability/performance issues. Again... works great alone but I'm a 3rd party app whore.
I then moved to Schap's 3.57a and so far so good.
In my case, 3rd party apps are a must. When I have problem with an 3rd party app and the developer says "Try another app instead..." I'm like, no thanks and move on to another ROM. I don't really believe in Chef loyalty.... rather in ROM stability and the ability to play with 3rd party apps nicely. Don't get me wrong... I respect most of our major ROM chefs (Lately...Schaps, JJ, VP3G, Sleuth, etc....) and I can't expect our chefs to test their ROM with every 3rd party app out there...
Bottom line, You have to try them all and see what works for your setup (with 3rd party apps installed n all).
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I agree with you on JJ's "Black" series. They were great until the met the SPB products...
I use SPB Shell, PocketPlus, Back-up (though not lately as Scheduled BU doesn't work on WM6), Diary, and Weather. I also load Total Commander, HTC Audio Manager and Today plug-in and vp3Gs ROM still literally screams, not to mention I still have 14.81M of free program and 23.36 free storage.
Interesting the differences people experience with the same device and ROM.
I've been a longtime Black fan, Shadow, Majik, Satin. Also just recently used vp3G, it was fast and nice... and Schap's is badass! Credit to everyone because their is a different taste for anyone to go on. We must all be grateful that we are given options, thanks to all contributors.
....peace
I used all of JJ roms and Satin just did not work out .... Dymond being the best next to version Black 2....Trying all 3 Flavors of Satin, all failed trying to sync with Vista and would freeze after putting on Kaiser Home plugin....Schapps had no problems.
JJ is comming out with a new rom sometime,
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/he...always-does-one-comeback-tour.html#post135615 -
Hope it all is in tac
My vote goes out to Schap's WM6 Pro 3.57a
Awesome Rom that has everything...Not one problem
Pumpiron579 said:
Awesome Rom that has everything...Not one problem
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not quite, has all the standard stuff but doesnt support Blackberry I Know Satin doesnt but Magik does and the next Black X will apparently. Not that I'm overly bothered as I should now be able to use Activesync at work...
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Has anyone interested to share your experience on most stable WM6 cooked ROM.
Updated on 18-Apr so far the result is
20=LVSW
53=BLACK
Thanks hmsq for the count and also JJ complied a good Cooked make alot user make a smile for their Cooking experience.
My vote so far is with BLACK2.0
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Has anyone interested to share your experience on most stable WM6 cooked ROM.
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I have been running black2.0 and its great! Quickly got donations after only a day of usage. No resets required @ all. There has been no lock-ups yet. I have had it on my phone since it was released
P.S. Flashing has become very addictive!!! Anyone know what to do with the MONKEY...LOL
Definitely LVSW all version - the most professional release around.
So far the only OS so far that has supported all of my programs properly, as well as VoIP and other enhancements is Black 2.0.
Dutty's WM6 comes close, but I haven't been able to get VoIP working with it properly yet.
As for the LVSW editions. I installed his first release and quite liked it, I've been wary about flashing the more recent versions however after the white screen issues. (I'm sure its been resolved by now though.)
Running a custom version of black 2.0 myself
all are good!
all versions run good, the difrence is mainly the add ons.
be ware of SPB shell...
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Dutty's WM6 comes close, but I haven't been able to get VoIP working with it properly yet.
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I have to disagree. Go into the thread and read the user experiences. It's heavily "bugged".
1. Dialer without buttons (will appear for a while after soft reset)
2. Explorer when launched hangs the device up (soft reset necessary)
3. connecting to 3g/gprs the device blocks (soft reset necessary)
IE is completely unusable, and even if you use opera, you still can't get gprs. Ans that us with all 3 versions. I tried them all, and now back to LVSW (08-04)
Dutty knows this and has promised a revision soon. My vote goes currently for LVSW.
I've only tried the black Black and the latest LVSW, but my vote goes to LVSW.
right now i'd go with black. i've flashed all of kyphur's public ones, lswv 3-23 and all the black flavors. been happiest with 2.0 but can't wait for xda live 0.3
I would have to vote for Black 2.0 and XDA Live .30. These are by far the most stable for the apps that I run. I have run pretty much the full suite of SPB software on both without any problems.
I keep switching back and forth as I can't decide which I like better.
used only BLACK. never had to think of trying the others...
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I would have to vote for Black 2.0 and XDA Live .30. These are by far the most stable for the apps that I run. I have run pretty much the full suite of SPB software on both without any problems.
I keep switching back and forth as I can't decide which I like better.
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whats the build number of wmxl .3?
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whats the build number of wmxl .3?
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17740.2.3.0
lol, sorry, have black installed....I will reflash it real quick
sorry about that
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I would have to vote for Black 2.0 and XDA Live .30. These are by far the most stable for the apps that I run. I have run pretty much the full suite of SPB software on both without any problems.
I keep switching back and forth as I can't decide which I like better.
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I have to agree. XDA live and black 2.0 by the way when is Live .30 coming?
Ok JJ, here is the correct build:
17217.2.3.0
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Ok JJ, here is the correct build:
17217.2.3.0
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ok so wmxl 0.3 is still based on an old beta build.
LVSW, of course
On Black2.0
tried a few, but Black2.0 does it for me, just well works...
Even got motivated to send JJ a donation/beer or two.
Going on with Black 2.0
Even though Live messenger does not work for me im happy with it..
cheers
I've been using Black (and currently 3.01) but am looking at moving on. Who can give me advise on the pros and cons between Dymond and the LVSW?
If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
That is probably my biggest concern, and the reason I left the factory ROM. I'm kind of leaning the LVSW way but want to make sure I'm not passing up something good with Black Dymond. I"m starting to get tired repeatedly setting up my device with all my programs after I move to a new ROM.
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If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.
Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...
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Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...
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speed, stability and the latest RTM Rom (not a MS dogfood rom) available. please see the threads over at 4wm for your self.
Black Dymond has been beta, RC1 and RC2 tested by a user group. Any issues experienced will be isolated based on 3rd party applications. Try it and see for yourself.
If someone posts negative feedback by all means please state what went wrong etc over at 4wm so notes can be taken.
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...clip...In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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I am also interested to hear what kind of 'testing' you did.
Dymond is Actually Rock-Solid.
A quick point about "dogfood" since its been spun up with a somewhat bad connotation here.
M$ employees run the latest and greatest software from the development groups. They call it "eating their own dogfood". Its a term of endearment on the M$ campus. Every major M$ developer/presenter I spoke with at MEDC this year was running "dogfood" on their device. Generally, "dogfood" is a few point releases in advance of what gets sent to the masses.
Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it. Case in point: check the Kaiser thread.
mcvosi said:
If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...
Black Dymond is the best Rom.....
I am using black 3.5 since yesterday and so far it has treated me well. I don't see any stability issues.
I have installed some spb programs like weather and some games and the ROM rocks.
I have been on black 2.5 before and that was stable as well. However dymond is noticeably much faster.
I have not tried any other ROMS besides these 2 so I cannot say which one I would favor over the other. I like black and sticking with for now.
I recently flashed the vp3G ROM after using Black 2.5 for about a month. Black 2.5 treated me very well, however I am happier with the vp3G (LSVW derivative). It is much faster and more polished than the Black 2.5 I was using(because it is newer, I suppose). I have been very excted about the 3.xx versions of Black but have yet to try them until I read through all the threads to see if it is a fit for me (3.0/3.1 didn't seem to be the right move). For now, vp3G/LSVW is an excellent ROM for me.
I'm running SPB Diary, MS VC 1.6, VOIP, IM+, SKTools, DinarSoft HandySwitcher, MOBITV, SettingSavior .94, and a bunch of other stuff. No problems AT ALL to report. Program Memory stays solid, device never freezes, and battery lasts the longest.
Hope this helps...
Black Dymond with C-Start : experiencing sync problem
Using Balck Dymond for 12h. Looks quite stable, not to mention the style. Thanks JJ
All functions work well (haven't tested 3G - China not deploying it yet ).
Most impressive is the performance of WiFi (compared to Black 3.01 and WM Hermes QS Edition) - power settings shoul be on "Best Performance", otherwise do not connects even putting the device next to BS
Found some conflict betwen C-Start and embodied input - haven't explored the issue yet.
Issue with synchronization: When the ROM was "virging" no problem synchronizing. Suspect installing C-Start, after the system runs for some time, there is some software conflict. Have followed all ActiveSync 4.5 troubleshooting advice, but looks like the issue is in the device. Next few days will try to install different Chinese characters software - hope it will work!
-- The same issue had with Black 3.1 + C-Start; the difference is that with Black 3.01 was able to etsablish connection between the PPC and the PC, was able to "browse" the PPC but no sync; with Dymond no connection at all
Hope will figure out some way arround with the Chinese characters
Sleuth255 said:
Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it.
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Heh... I think some folks are wishing this "dogfood" came from Menu Foods rather than M$.
Not to mention anyone who's been in IT for any length of time knows a "shipping" version doesn't necessarily equate to a "good" version (can we all say Windows ME?). C'mon, I know y'all didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
I think vp3g rom is by far the best. I ve been playing with this rom since it 1st came out and i must say its Very stable, very BIG storage, very responsive, and the tie in of the cingular settings with this rom adds close to a perfect rom! My only gripe with lsvw rom base is "esmertec java" Opera mini sucks with it! But otherwise a great rom!
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please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.
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I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.
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Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...
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It's given me no hassles at all, aside from the WLAN problem when using WPA2 pre-shared key, which seems to be a problem in a few recent ROMs (Faria's being the exception here). It has the Cingular customization already done, and includes what I need and not what I don't need. I also like the inclusion of a working X-button. No additional CABs to install.
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I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.
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Well then,
Maybe you should have choose the word "Tried" rather saying something like 'in my "Testing" I found it to unstable.'
You tried it, you didn't actually do any 'testing.'
I was involved in the 'beta' and RC1, and still using it loaded full of apps, and there is NO instability at all.
cant say much about the others but...
I am running Dymond and no stability issues what s ever were detected unless:
You add on HTC X (doesn't matter what version - both Sucks) use alternatives like handyswitcher or others.
This is the ROM I had the longest uptime before SR!
I am running Pushmail (more than 200 email per day) with sms activity fairly high as well as phone calls that could probably fry my ... and still stability is not an issue.
only issue i am wondering about these days is what Radio Version is the best to work with...
I have actually found the same issues with every WM6 rom I have tried to date. I have loaded all of Kyphurs, a couple of LVSW's and Black 2.01 onwards.
I think everyone here knows that actual problems stem from third party apps and/or personal set up and the roms get blamed for the problems.
I also think we all know that a lot of people fall into the two main camps and will argue their rom is better than the other one.
I am on Dymond and havn't had a soft reset for the two days its been on my device - which for a cooked rom I reckon is pretty damn good - but I reckon from what I have read LVSW's latest is probably ok too...
You pays your money and you takes your choice --- oh except you dont pay any money - ITS FREE!
I just want a clean, stable ROM with bug fixes.
Thanx for any advice.
the best one is the one you like better.
just try them and answer yourself.
i'm still on the old Mun... and its just great!
I'm on the bepe ROM and it is not the best I tried but I'm to lacy to reflash again.
vdias said:
i'm still on the old Mun... and its just great!
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i'm the same , and waiting for mUn's Wm6 rom
This is the best one
The best rom is the one that covers your needs.
They are all great and this guys are doing a heck of a good job,so start flashing and get your own answer.All these roms have amazing features so like I said flash and enjoy it.
Read about Hard SSPL and SSPL before you do it and make sure you do it well,just to avoid (bad) surprises.
rekall said:
I just want a clean, stable ROM with bug fixes.
Thanx for any advice.
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Wait for an official ROM. If you can't take the time to try different ROMs and start a new thread, this is probably not the place for you.
The spirit of this forum to look through the contributions that everyone has made to the development of ROMS, try to contribute in any way you can - and help those in need.
Please don't take me the wrong way, but to reach the nirvana you describe, lots of people have to try out cooked ROMS - and feedback on different bugs. Only then do we get our cookers cooking great ROMS ( I dare say the official development teams check in here, too.)
You should be able to decide based on different comments in different ROM threads (currently 2730 posts in ROM thread for mUn, LVSW, AX3L and ausdim modified version of "official" ROM) which one suits YOUR NEEDS the best. As you will see, showing an outright preference does not encourage ROM cookers and is not really polite.
It may be that you were bewildered stumbling across xda-developers - if so - ask for help - but don't expect a free lunch - try and contribute to the forum, too.
Don't forget to donate to the ROM chef once you've found your favourite - and happy flashing if you find it.
I have tried a multitude of ROMs over the past few weeks and was just trying to guage what others have thought of them. I have tried LSVW and AX3L more recently but was having some issues with SPB Mobile Shell on AX3L. I am currently trying ausdim's ROM and will see what its like. Will post back.
The last one called "official" is best for me.
Wifi working (wpa, wpa2)
BT with A2DP working.
VOIP working ( i need this feature badly). You can hear in speaker only but working all the time and very good. On any other roms i tried only static noise, echo and sound drop. Even on official WM5 rom.
No more power drain after data disconnect. Again important feature.
GPS working.
The only thing in this rom is that you need some patched to have video call, menu sounds and other tweaks. But it's best so far.
VM
Still using mUn's 2.00.S.E.
Absolutely love it!
So far so good with audism's 'official' ROM with patches. Tomtom working, SPB seem OK as well. Will use over the next few days and post back. I even like the default colour scheme
very happy with ausdim's 'official' rom. Nice and stable and none of the weird stuff i was getting with the previous ones.
The most important thing I learnt from the last few frenzied months of flashing on my hermes and trinity is that its not the rom itself but what you do with them that counts.
I now soft reset after re-installing each of my major apps after a new rom flash and it really pays off.
Particularly with the lsvw trinity rom where I was having some major issues where it was defaulting to landscape mode after soft reset when I installed a combination of apps too close together. I'm not completely sure which the offending apps were but spb shell, aebutton, and spb full screen keyboard seemed to be the ones to tip the balance.
Anyway, I generally try and find the cleanest rom and build it myself as we all have our particular favourite apps and I dont like doubling up on programs.
Actually, ausdim's 'official' is the closest I've come to my ideal rom.
I have tried them all over recent weeks. I prefer AX3L rom and his ext rom. That is my personal opinion
Have to say Bepe's is the most stable rom for me with the set of applications that I am using, great respect to all, but Bepe's had to be flashed to my device after using any ROM, waiting for more great efforts and the testing will continue.
Cheers
Private69, if you want something real close to the official.
Experienced some bugs with audism, so flashed to private69 with my own tweaks and cabs. Works like a breeze
VirtualM said:
The last one called "official" is best for me.
Wifi working (wpa, wpa2)
BT with A2DP working.
VOIP working ( i need this feature badly). You can hear in speaker only but working all the time and very good. On any other roms i tried only static noise, echo and sound drop. Even on official WM5 rom.
No more power drain after data disconnect. Again important feature.
GPS working.
The only thing in this rom is that you need some patched to have video call, menu sounds and other tweaks. But it's best so far.
VM
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Can you please post your version of windows/rtcdll.dll ?
Using the one from the original post, (this cab from ax3l http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41737&d=1182077395 ) I can use wm6 voip but during the conversation I often ear noise.
Ciao
Tried all roms I could get hand on if they were english and of course bepes German as it is the only german out of the box but now I'm using AX3L's rom with the extrom. Its out of the box nice, fast, has a lot of free space and all my apps run smooth.
But in his rom the Battery leak is not yet fixed but there iss light HTC Asia is making a WM6 right now so the days are counted
For the moment PDAVIET its the best Rom.
Greats Remo
The Best?
The best is relative to what you are looking for, your style and taste. Personally I want stability and so far Private69's has been perfect in that area.
so far I have found AX3L's Rom very good and stable.
Having just purchased my 8525 several weeks ago, I have undergone the grueling exercise of reading, downloading, reading, downloading, more reading, more downloading... in my quest for the fastest stable ROM. While I appreciate the all hard work of our ROM cookers, and I recognize that each ROM will meet specific individual needs, I have yet to find a ROM that compares to the speed of K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite.
I was flabbergasted yesterday when I did a comparison. After having read many posts on the speed of the new WM6.1, I decided to give it a whirl and see what I was missing. I looked for a good WM6.1 Lite edition to flash and eventually found one that was reported stable with good reviews. Upon flashing, I noticed that it seemed snappy at first as I tapped through the settings, explorer. I was looking for any delays in response or program load times. I installed Pocket Informant 8 and opened and closed the program several times to visually test the speed (I like to close out of applications and have them reopen with speed when I need them).
I was tempted to leave it on for a while but I decided to flash back to compare and see if I could notice any difference right away... I was shocked with the results. As soon as I flashed back to K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM, I immediately noticed the difference, K's was much faster. Additionally, as soon as I did a hard reset, I noted the program memory sitting at 32.06 (available). I have not officially "benchmarked" these as I don't really know how, but as far as opening applications, moving through settings/programs, and using file explorers, K's takes the cake.
Now I realize that there are many variables to consider (the WM6.1 ROM I used, programs included/ excluded with Lite versions etc.) but as far as lightning fast ROMs, can anyone else support my conclusions? For those of you using K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM please weigh in with your thoughts. If you haven't yet tried it and your looking for speed, please give it a try and let us know what you think. If I am correct, then I can only imagine what a WM6.1 Lite by Kin0Kin could do?
I can only say that what you tested was "out of the box" performance.
I always temper with my OS, removing services & changing reg. definitions.
I feel WM6.1 is faster.
I think the first factor that affects performance is the added apps and as a result how many files sit in the WINDOWS folder(thats why the lite versions work faster...)
The next factor is reg hacks.
I think we should install a version as lite as we can, and as new as you can find then - add your stuff.
I have to agree with the above post. I've been using cooked ROMs since I got my 8525 a year ago...now I'm using Schaps WM 6.1 and to me it is the most stable. I have tried CRC's and Pays but to me, Schaps is the most stable and quickest...I have good battery life and can reasonably use (most of) my programs.
I've had to reflash about ten times trying different programs and different setups but now it's pretty snappy and I'm happy with my set up.
Best I can tell you is try flashing a few different ones and see which one gives you the most mileage.
Hope This Helps,
Jim
Jazz8 said:
Having just purchased my 8525 several weeks ago, I have undergone the grueling exercise of reading, downloading, reading, downloading, more reading, more downloading... in my quest for the fastest stable ROM. While I appreciate the all hard work of our ROM cookers, and I recognize that each ROM will meet specific individual needs, I have yet to find a ROM that compares to the speed of K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite.
I was flabbergasted yesterday when I did a comparison. After having read many posts on the speed of the new WM6.1, I decided to give it a whirl and see what I was missing. I looked for a good WM6.1 Lite edition to flash and eventually found one that was reported stable with good reviews. Upon flashing, I noticed that it seemed snappy at first as I tapped through the settings, explorer. I was looking for any delays in response or program load times. I installed Pocket Informant 8 and opened and closed the program several times to visually test the speed (I like to close out of applications and have them reopen with speed when I need them).
I was tempted to leave it on for a while but I decided to flash back to compare and see if I could notice any difference right away... I was shocked with the results. As soon as I flashed back to K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM, I immediately noticed the difference, K's was much faster. Additionally, as soon as I did a hard reset, I noted the program memory sitting at 32.06 (available). I have not officially "benchmarked" these as I don't really know how, but as far as opening applications, moving through settings/programs, and using file explorers, K's takes the cake.
Now I realize that there are many variables to consider (the WM6.1 ROM I used, programs included/ excluded with Lite versions etc.) but as far as lightning fast ROMs, can anyone else support my conclusions? For those of you using K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM please weigh in with your thoughts. If you haven't yet tried it and your looking for speed, please give it a try and let us know what you think. If I am correct, then I can only imagine what a WM6.1 Lite by Kin0Kin could do?
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Generally 6.1 is faster than 6. Kin0Kin uses a 6mb page pool and a file cache to speed performance, additionally it is an exceptionally well built ROM. This means that after opening a large number of programs those programs will run faster but you will have less memory available to open other programs. In implemenation I have never run into a memory chrunch while using K ROM final. That said if you take a 6.1 rom, set the page pool to 6mb and setup a file cache (I believe K uses 4 MB) it more than likely will be faster than K Rom final (if it is a well cooked ROM). However you may just want to wait for K to release his 6.1 rom when it is out of Beta (still kinda buggy) promises to be blazing fast and to have visual overhaul.
Thanks for taking the time to reply fellas! I should maybe clarify what I was trying to say. I was really wondering if anyone has tried various lite ROMs out there (including K's Final), and if so, how do you think they compared?
This question may be a little too subjective to answer with any certainty but it might point others in the right direction if they are looking for a fast Lite ROM. My intention here is not to put other ROM cookers down by the way; I have a great respect for these individuals who have give so much of their time to this community. In the end though, it seems that each ROM has it's specialties and IMHO, K's WM6 Final Lite ROM specializes in speed (among other things).
With all of my programs loaded: PI8, PB, ILauncher, WBA Lite, Total Comander2.5, on device, and about 6 or so more on the storage card, I sit now with the following:
28MB+/- program memory available
57mb+/- Storage memory available
I have already tested various ROMs and have yet to find one more responsive, not just "out of the box". Are there others who have also experienced this? Kin0Kin may not make a Lite ROM for 6.1 and I'm o.k. with that (given enough support who knows) Anyway, if his WM6 Lite ROM is the fastest currently out there, then think of how fast a 6.1 Lite release by K could be. In any case, I am looking forward to using his 6.1 once he releases it.
So to clarify again, for those of you who have used various lite ROMs (including K's Final), how do/did you find they compared? If there was a tread like this months ago, I might have found K's a little quicker (lol). Thanks again for input!
Well..I am one of the lite Rom fans too...I agree with you that they are faster than the full versions. However, as soon as you install bunch of your apps, it becomes as fast as a regular full rom. The only reason I use lite versions is that I believe that the less apps you cook in a rom the less buggy it is and since I have the standard set of apps that I always intall in a rom which most of the rom cooker don't include in their roms, or include along with other apps that I don't use, which again make a rom buggier.
So, again, lite is fast before you intall your apps, and it is great for customization it terms of installing your own apps.
P.S. I read someone saying that they never had an issue with having not enough memory(RAM). That's exactly what happened to me. I didn't understand the point of having a lot of RAM. But recently, after I started using spb pocket plus, spb mobile shell, htc home all together, I found out that I am running out of RAM, now I need more RAM. Because having all these apps running plus a music player I have around 6-8 of free memory, which I never used to have less than 20MB.
I have to go with Matt's Pandora Naked roms. I've tried a bunch and really like PN7.2. I run a lot of software and his rom has a ton of ram and storage. I included a screenshot with the mem in top right with Pocketplus, pocketweather, S2US, pockettoolman, Qmenu etc.
Anyhow, I like K's roms too, so in the end it's up to you to decide. I'm a Ram freak and like to keep a lot free. So good luck
Agree with noellenchris, I am using Pandora Naked 7b2 WM6 really great, very fast & stable. With lots of Memory & space. My experience with WM6.1 wasn't so good I had to revert back to WM6, I am lovin it..
BTW can anybody please tell me what is page pool. I am not aware what exactly it means.
sakshamkatyal said:
BTW can anybody please tell me what is page pool. I am not aware what exactly it means.
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Matt uses a 6mb page pool in PN7.2. Page pool is like the file cache for ram, if you tend to use many smaller programs at the same time, then 4mb or 6mb is ok. If you use one larger program at a time and close when done then 6-10mb is better. The page pool comes at the expense of available RAM though. But remember that the programs are using this page pool as a cache.
Sort of like the cache on the processors of your computer. It's fast memory readily available for the processor to use. Hope this helps
Chris
i always liked schap's roms, then i tried pay's (that one wasnt bad either), but in the end ShadoW TE 6.1 won overall, even though it doesnt use the latest build, it s really stable and fast - plus i dont have to bother with reinstalling all the dark skins/themes/cabs
Has anyone pointed you to KarHu's posts...? He has done an excellent job benchmarking roms... Currently, I think he is up to 52 different roms... I usually wait for him to post his results before I decide on a different version to use... Sometimes, my illness takes over and I can't wait.. Ok, usually this happens, but it is a good resource nonetheless...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320370
debonairone said:
Sometimes, my illness takes over and I can't wait..
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Isn't that the truth. Sometimes I wish I never knew about this site....
Faria has just posted his latest build on WM6.1.
This also seems to be fast and stable you can try out this.
fasterfester said:
Isn't that the truth. Sometimes I wish I never knew about this site....
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yeah, at 2am, when I just decide to pop in and see a new rom, I gotta flash it then...
I'm getting my 8525 back sometime today with a white screen. If I can unbrick it, I'll most likely continue using vp3G 3.0. It was always fast.
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Debonairone, I never new about that post before, it's very insightful. I would like to see K's newest Lite (Final) tested soon, I tried Shamanix's Grass 2.2 and it was excellent but K's felt a little faster so it would be interesting to see it benched. I had to laugh when I read about your 2AM flash comments. I've had about 3 of these over the past week. This seems to be the only time I find lately, after the kids are asleep and I finish all my other "chores" (lol).
Chris, thanks for pointing out Pandora's Naked ROM. I flashed the latest and it is very impressive. I would say K's Lite is very comparable to this, especially with the available memory "out of the box" (4vs6mb pagepool accounted for). K's out of the box available Program memory was 32.20 with a 4mb PagePool and Pandora's was 30.46 with 6mb PagePool; Storage was also close.
I too love my memory and I think that Pandor's Naked ROMs are almost identical in free memory if not a tad more but I do have to take into account that K's had more programs already loaded namely Office 2007, Calculator and games (I used cabs for PN9). I was also comparing WM6 with a naked WM6.1 BTW I love the fact that Pandora has the 6.1 "naked". On the other side of the coin, K has the larger dialer buttons/skin and in his 6.1 (Full) he uses the 5.0 Camera (still bugged though). I'm hoping to see a fixed Camera 5.0 in his next release. Overall, I think the two ROMs are very comparable I should have compared PN7 but it was to tempting to try 9 and I am getting tired of flashing (must have done 30 over the past few days).
I guess when it comes to speed, there are many ROMs that are close in speed and memory. In the end, it probably comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I like PN9 and I'll be keeping my eye on this although, there is something about the feel of K's latest ROMs that I am in Love with. With WM6.1 out now I guess we'll see some new speed records and be back at this topic in several months Thanks for the link and much insight fellas,
Jazz8
So, had my Hermes for several years now and tried many ROMs and UIs in that time.
Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium.
I've found both of these UI's take up a lot of resources and they're buggy, especially the new fancy versions of Titanium and I'm having to soft-reset frequently which I find frustrating.
In order to get a cast iron, fast phone, I'm even considering flashing a modern ultralite ROM and putting HTC Home 2 on there.
Any other suggestions either as to:
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
i was using hermes for several months, bricked it and after several months i unbricked it. it is very usefull phone for me. but youre right. if i have to reset every here and there, its not a point.
recently i tested roms from lets say first 10 posts in this forum. tonight im going to install darkvisions 5.15 and add a few things that i miss. titanium launcher, i.e.
i hope that will satisfy me until i learn how to cook or untill somebody makes something better
No matter what the starter RAM is, open up the menu's and phone canvas and you're probably down by nearly 4M already.
Outlook and contacts seem pretty good, only about 1M for both.
Then Nimbuzz is a whopping 6M which is still better than running messenger and skype together.
Add on IE and its another 1.3 (not sure what opera is as my skills can't switch to mem usage without killing Opera )
So, for the basics its about 12-13M from the baseline
I've found TAI's version 14/15 pretty good so far around 23M free (with activesync running). Means, with my essential apps running, I'm around 10-11M free. Means I can still run Google maps, word etc ok.
It would be nice to have beautiful Manila or fancy Titanium (bug free) and about 20-23M free, just not found it yet. Any suggestions?
slowndes - I'm in the same place as you:
I'd got frustrated with my WM5 Hermes (SPV M3100) as Home2Pro and lovely community applets were rendering it slow, unstable and with poor battery life.
I tried several OEM ROMs and with/without custom ROMs on top; and then running Home2Pro. Certainly I get better performance with OEM ROM only.
But I now want PointSuite v2... And I think the "stripped" AT&T OEM ROM - used by many chefs - is still too "heavyweight" for my requirements. I'm still looking for a very light WM6.1 OEM.
And, after hours of hunting through these hallowed pages, I'm still looking.
Any ideas from anyone out there?
Since my last post, I'm downloading a couple of potential WM6.1 bare ROMs:
Black Satin - been around for a while now, but consistently good feedback;
CRC_r13.4_Naked_BigStorage - latest incarnation and offers a lot of space.
I'll road-test these over the coming few days, with Home2Pro and PointSense suite v2 on 'em; and I'll post my findings into this thread.
Oooo - installed CRC WM6.1 as per above; which, in its raw state, is a slick and sexy ROM.
And then I installed Home2Pro on top; plus my usual WiFi modem / Opera Mobile 9.7 / DinarSoft RAM optimisation applications.
(I've left off PointSense v2 Suite until 2.0.1.1 comes out - 2.0.0.4 has a few integrity issues it seems).
But I'm getting the lightning-fast speed and stability I've been looking for.
I am one very happy bunny. I recommend this. A lot.
I used to use whatever 6.1 ROM and install SBP mobile shell. Its pretty bulletproof, but not really that integrated into the phone, just a pretty surface.
I used Josh's SpringTime build pretty much for the entire summer, until I dropped my phone and the RED / GREEN buttons stopped working all the time. VERY WEIRD, but I decided to flash to FCW's new rom.
Its called Red Mist and its Build 23004.5.3.0 (according to the About screen). You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509194
I also installed PdG TouchFLO 2D dialer. It REALLY helps when you have big fingers. I have mis-dialed since. You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429179
I flashed the OEM Stripped rom first. I think it makes a difference.
My phone has not worked this well in a LONG time.
If you looking for WM 6.1 for me the most stable is faria.r32
now im with dark vision 5.0 the plathform is 6.5, but for 2 days i cant tell you nothing special about it just nice look, many apps
carcomp said:
I think it makes a difference.
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You think well - it really makes a difference
I'm in the same position as the first Poster. Now I trying all the Complete-Roms, then the Light ROMs with SPB Mobile Shell, PointUI, Manilla, Homescreen++, Wisbar Adcance, ..., and then hopefully have another ROM for the next Years, as Schaps ROMs was for me in the past.
Trial and Error....
Is there a thread/wiki with a comparative of free RAM from various ROMs? The xda-wiki one is quite outdated. How about all of us post the free RAM after a clean install + customizations + reset?
I'll start off first:
CRC_r13.4-naked / 5.2.20270 / WM6.1 - 26.86 MB
slowndes said:
...Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium....
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
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Take also a look to other UIs which somtimes uses less memory:
Homescreen++ more Skins more Manilla Theme more more / Battery Status
ThrottleLauncher
UltimateLaunch
PointUI
iPhoneToday
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