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T-Lite! SuperStorage Rom

Warning: This flash will overwrite your extended_rom!
This rom is very similar to my Dopod Lite (now D-Lite!, I just thought of it!) rom, however, this one is based on bepe's modified T-Mobile 3.6 rom, so it converts your extended_rom memory into additional storage memory. Until I can figure out exactly what bepe did and apply it to the D-Lite rom, I thought I'd put this out there for all you storage memory freaks. (You know who you are.) This is pretty much equivalent to my DopodLite V1.0, so you can read that thread for info about what it looks like, and what I've done to create it. I hope it proves to be just as stable.
Like the Dopod version, this is meant to be a stable, fast starting point for your own creativity. It's much easier to mix and match applications after flashing than before. If you get tired of a particular app, just remove it and try another. If you get tired of a particular skin, try a new look. There's plenty of stable, fast storage memory for loading your today screen utilities, phone apps, voice dialers, animated screens, etc, etc.
This rom does not have: Transcriber, voice dialer, catalog, error reporting, autoupdate, phone home (ceipui), games, calculator, some audio files and other odds and ends. It does include: Office 2007 (No OneNote. Thats not particularly useful unless you have it on your desktop, in which case it installs automatically anyway.), Java, .Net, all the Bluetooth and security stuff, MMS, Camera, and the rest of the basic functionality. If you want transcriber or a voice dialer or games feel free to add them. Ditto for the calculator, which needs replacing anyway.
At cold boot:
4mb page pool: 71.47 mb total storage, 67.10 mb free storage memory, 31.19 mb free program memory. If you delete the startup folder shortcuts, the program memory goes to 31.97 mb.
6mb page pool: 67.10 mb free storage, and program memory is 29.08, and 29.87 mb respectively.
T-Lite 4mb Rapidshare Link
T-Lite 6mb Rapidshare Link
Additional FTP mirror, courtesy of claymen
Enjoy!

Other Stuff
Functionality links:
Cingular 8525 keyboard fix
Cingular WAP settings
Lots of CABs
Lots more CABs
Lots of freeware

Can you make a screenshot of it m8
Great work btw!!

Re: screen shots
It looks just like the DopodLite, except the phone has a T-Mobile skin. I have some screen shots in the Dopod thread. (see my sig)
I'll try to put some here soon.

roms not bad just feedbacking from day of flashing roms thanx

edhaas... downloading now, wil give a run later on!

problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
update:
wifi is ok now after HR

Re: WiFi
edward-riko said:
problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
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Hi Edward,
Got me nervous (I hadn't checked it), but I'm connected with my home network now. You may have to look up the registry setting to activate "G" capability if your home network is set up for "only G". (Or use a tweak utility that does it for you.) I'm running "G", with a linksys router with WAP, AES security. Works well.
Good luck!

Build No.
Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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Thanks

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Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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Thanks
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CE OS 5.2.1620 (build 18125.0.4.2)

To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds

Memory discussion!
alancstan said:
To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds
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Happy to help. Glad you're liking the rom. I'm not finding much different in feel from the D-Lite rom (which is a good thing). Everything is working well for me as well. HSPDA, a2dp, wireless stereo over wireless radio in sleep mode sounds great. No lockups so far. All my apps work as before.
Tutorial regarding memory: In this rom there are two types of built in memory, storage memory and program memory. They are physically different and cannot be interchanged via programming. In other roms, the storage memory is broken up and part if it is used as "extended_rom" which is meant to be hidden and used by carriers to put their particular customizations in, which are generally only used once after a hard-reset. This partition was about 10mb in size. Bepe has figured out a modification, which removes this partition and makes the user storage partition (where programs are stored, similar to a disk drive) correspondingly larger. Another partition is used to store the base programs which are "flashed" and include the operating system. Tadzio figured out how to move the boundary of this partition so that smaller roms will free up more storage memory as well.
So, end of history lesson. The storage memory is what is left after all of this, and is used as a "disk drive" equivalent, it is slower than the "program memory" which is like "ram" in your computer. However, storage memory is generally faster than SD card memory, and is preferred especially for "resident" or today screen type programs, because it's instantly available when you first turn on the device. Most of what I and others have done is to maximize the amount of this memory which is available to you, so you can fill it up with programs that load more quickly than if you put them in SD memory. In this rom that free space starts off at 71.47 mb, and then at start-up the operating system allocates some for it's own use, and in other roms customization programs loaded after cold reboot are loaded in there. So, in this rom there are actually 67mb available for the user to play with, which is a ton, and pretty much overkill for 99% of people including myself. As long as there are around 10mb free for the system, the device will work well.
Program memory is "ram". It is the fastest memory and programs in actual use are executed from there in chunks loaded from storage or SD card memory. It starts as 64mb, but the device uses a good chunk of it internally which we have no control over, and so reports the 51.02 mb as what is initially available. However, an additional chunk is used by the operating system, of around 15 mb, leaving the rest for us to actually use. The page pool, which is a buffer used between ram and storage memory comes out of this, as does the ram used by any start-up programs. Generally, as long as you have about 5 mb or so available, the device works pretty well.
[Edit: Addendum: In this rom I have removed error reporting and customer feedback, I'm having more difficulty removing the icons for them however. The other things you mention could be removed, but this would reduce functionality for folks who use those things, and would only add slightly to available storage memory, which as I stated above is already in the "overkill" category. I'll probably cut some more stuff in later versions as I gain experience with this rom, but I doubt there will be any noticeable difference in performance or usability.]
This is a bare-bones account, but hopefully will help you conceptualize things.
Best wishes, and enjoy!

Enjoy the silence!
Added addendum to above. Also I want to report over 50 downloads in less than 24 hours, and no real problems reported. Sounds like another quietly effective launch!
Enjoy your weekend!

Jbed Java MIDlet manager 20070622.2.1 installed but the manager application doesn't opens
edward

ROM hangs and then Hard Resets
Hi Edhaas,
I'm facing issues of Hard Resets.
This is already happenning twice in a day.
I do not have this issue using your last v1.2 versions.
Regards
Fei Yu

fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds

alancstan said:
fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds
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The device hangs randomly.... and once u do a softreset....
It then turns out it hard resets itself.
I'm not sure if its due to MortPlayer?
Anyone have this issue?
Regards

Never experience the problem u encountered... never install MortPlayer
Try running the rom without MortPlayer, c what happen!
rgds

@fychan, I run mortplayer and was going to flash this rom tonight.
What version of mortplayer are you running?
I am currently running 3.31b61 on edhaas's d-lite without issue.
However, on past roms (black 2.5 thru satin and sleuth's developer 2 and 3) I discovered that 3.31RC7 was more stable.
Perhaps downgrading might solve your issue.

fychan,
I can't seem to replicate your issue.
Are you running anything else that might be leading to your strange problem? I ran the latest mortplayer build, playing for a while, pausing, turning off and on, resetting... At no time did my machine reset itself.
BTW, from the little I did see, it looks like a fast little rom here. I can't keep it though as it has the sms/mms together.

Schap's WM6 Pro ROMs will be back soon! - open to suggestions

Hi everybody!
Sorry for the delay, now I'm back on XDA-Devs forum and I hope to release soon new ROMs. I don't know yet if I missed a lot of new stuffs for our favorite device, so I ask you what you wish for the future Schap's ROMs...
Which build do you prefer? What is the most stable build from the newest ROMs? What are the newest HTC stuffs and OEM soft that I could include? Superstorage? What about other tweaks?

Schaps,
Welcome back. I hope your personal issues are now sorted.
From my perspective I prefer a lite but very stable ROM, as light as possible. Every item I then need should be availabe as a cab. That way I get my own "personal" ROM, without things I don't want (eg HTC Home). It also makes it extremely easy to update apps by simply deinstalling the old item and re-installing the latest version.
Shamanix has developed something along these lines using your 354c ROM, if I remember correctly. This has been well received by the forum. I personally have not used it asI have been waiting for your return plus you have now built a reputation for delivering rock solid ROMS, which is my no 1 priority.
I think taking the super/mega lite approach not only gives the user what they want but should cut down on your workload, and a lot of requests for different things within the ROM, all of which should be easily available as a cab.
So in summary I am looking for superlite but extremely stable ROM with your advanced config tool and all the things you would include in a ROM available as cabs, all of which should be fully tested for stability.
Hope this helps.
Thanks
WB
PS: One more thing; you need to offer an alternative way of making donations other than by Paypal. Many of us don't trust Paypal or have had problems with it.

thanks for coming back
Lite, with big storage and max memory atleast 30mb. thats it. very basic things u can cook in. pls use the latest build.
Thanks

Welcome Back!
Just one request - fix the bluetooth issue.

Hi Schaps and WELCOME back !
I hope all is well with you! We certainly missed you here
What do I need personally?
LITE LITE LITE and MEGA MEGA MEGA
Totally agree with wacky.banana statements. SOLID rom, as LITE as possible, Melted EXT_ROM (unless you think this makes the rom unstable) and all the cabs in the world to load whatever I want at any moment.
Memory leaks is a major problem for me, which steadily lead to a necessary SR. If this can be avoided or minimized to a minimum, this is a major plus IMHO.
Thanks again for all the beatiful roms you have created in the past, and looking VERY much forward to your new one

my coments suggessions are same as above
my coments suggessions are same as
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Schaps,
Welcome back. I hope your personal issues are now sorted.
From my perspective I prefer a lite but very stable ROM, as light as possible. Every item I then need should be availabe as a cab. That way I get my own "personal" ROM, without things I don't want (eg HTC Home). It also makes it extremely easy to update apps by simply deinstalling the old item and re-installing the latest version.
Shamanix has developed something along these lines using your 354c ROM, if I remember correctly. This has been well received by the forum. I personally have not used it asI have been waiting for your return plus you have now built a reputation for delivering rock solid ROMS, which is my no 1 priority.
I think taking the super/mega lite approach not only gives the user what they want but should cut down on your workload, and a lot of requests for different things within the ROM, all of which should be easily available as a cab.
So in summary I am looking for superlite but extremely stable ROM with your advanced config tool and all the things you would include in a ROM available as cabs, all of which should be fully tested for stability.
Hope this helps.
Thanks
WB

Welcome Back Schap's
Your ROMS are great which differs from many others, the best ROM from you was the 3.6 but it needed some tweeks especially the BT issue, we need to make it a superstore one, good luck we will always back you.

DO your best as allways
Make the best ROM, without any bugs, make it with as much more storage as you can and it's possible.
You cook much programms, but some of them not needed.
If it's possible make accept from any you will make one Lite version, that should have the best more free storage.

I dont know in which build you will end BUT I think you should make a 3.54d Lite because there are some customisations for non English environment which they are made on 3.54 HTC official rom and they don't work on other build, not to mention that 3.54 seems to be the most stable from others.Thanks . Glad you are back and I hope NOT to have other problems EVER.

a new lite edition
hello schaps.. I do like your work! I´d like u to make a lite edition without WMP... cos I think a few people uses WMP, for ex.. I always use Coreplayer that uses less RAM...
Thanx bro!

Just make sure you include the keyboard while on phone fix
that is the only reason I had to flash away from your rom.
Welcome back!

My suggestions:
-Ext-ROM melted into Mainstorage with Lite-Version (70+MB available free mem. after HR)
-Advanced Config with no Ext-ROM Options (if melted and not available)
-HTC Streaming Media left inside (for stability with 3G Dialers, no working Streaming Media cab for Hermes at the moment)
-3G-Dialer with Smartdialer
-Internet Connection sharing with new "W-LAN Router" hack (patched dll and settings, maybe over Advanced Config switchable?)
-IR-Beam disabled by default
-No Standard File Explorer if possible (this is the worst app ever)

I have found the AT&T 3.62 build works great, and 1.54.07.00 radio seems to only work properly with this build (the missing signal problem, i mean).
The other things that need to go: stock file explorer, WMP, and the default calculator.
In my experience, mega storage ROMs hemmorage memory, so if you could make it more stable that would me killer.

Hi Schap:
I suggestion a new Schap's WM6-Pro ROM with ExtROM 3.62 with CE 5.2.1622Build 18128.0.4.4 (last one for AT&T) and check the last version for each OEM application and additional.
TecMan

What about TouchFlo?

PAPPL said:
My suggestions:
-Ext-ROM melted into Mainstorage with Lite-Version (70+MB available free mem. after HR)
-Advanced Config with no Ext-ROM Options (if melted and not available)
-HTC Streaming Media left inside (for stability with 3G Dialers, no working Streaming Media cab for Hermes at the moment)
-3G-Dialer with Smartdialer
-Internet Connection sharing with new "W-LAN Router" hack (patched dll and settings, maybe over Advanced Config switchable?)
-IR-Beam disabled by default
-No Standard File Explorer if possible (this is the worst app ever)
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I totally aggree with this post.
Just do your work and create a stable, fast ROM

Mr.Schinko said:
I totally aggree with this post.
Just do your work and create a stable, fast ROM
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What about total commander as a real replacement for file explorer ?

AT&T 3.62 is stable

Runs around office shouting for joy
Sweet!!! I am so glad you are back!! (Just not the same without you). Whew suggestions well lets see
I disagree with most of the posters here about super lite, there are enough super lite roms on these forums and I generally get better performance with ROMs with cooked in apps (45+ MB of storage would be great if most critical apps are cooked in)
1. Add Internet Sharing over Wifi (per fluxist) in advanced config or as a standard setting, this is HUGE!
2. If there was anyway you could cook in any of the newer stuff off the touch dual (contact mgr, full screen keyboard, pic view, etc) that would be incredible
3. Storage is great but super storage... not so much, I think I get better performance with cooked in apps
4. This is a matter of personal taste (and I usually mod it with cabs) but the kaiser comm manager/dialer/audio manager is easier for me to user one handed than the comm/dialer/audio manager included in the base 103.60
5. Get rid of WMP and standard file explorer (replace with something better)
6. ATT 3.62 as base
7. Oxios
9. If the new HTC keyboard/contacts is not available could you talk to the pocketcm folks about cooking in their apps?
10. Audio Equalizer (HP put one out it is on these forums somewhere)
11. Touchflo!! (I can't believe the alpha is working after all this time) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334965
Thats it WELCOME BACK

Bluetooth
Hi Mr. Schap!
Your ROM is really wonderfull, i just hope you can fix the bluetooth problem in the new version!
Thnx!

calling for compatibility test

I'm working getting a build together, but am a little out of touch with what's the latest and most popular cab's going around.
If you can, please post or PM me samples of what you'd like a new rom to work with. Idealy they'd be dialpads, comm managers, today screen, etc. I'll do what I can to be sure they work with the base build.
It's currently at 82.74 Storage and 30.18 Program, with just camera 4.0 installed. Testing battery usage and stability...

mattk_r said:
I'm working getting a build together, but am a little out of touch with what's the latest and most popular cab's going around.
If you can, please post or PM me samples of what you'd like a new rom to work with. Idealy they'd be dialpads, comm managers, today screen, etc. I'll do what I can to be sure they work with the base build.
It's currently at 82.74 Storage and 30.18 Program, with just camera 4.0 installed. Testing battery usage and stability...
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And a welcome return to the kitchen sir
The file manager dutty (the old dutty) released a while back which is based on GSFinder+ is a great file explorer to use, JJ released the black ROMs for a while with it.
Gimme a sec i'll get the files zipped up.......done
I ALWAYS use it, support for zips and just runs RINGS around the stock file explorer.

Current chefs I like
Are CRCinAU and Abusalza (PDACorner)
I haven't seen any compressed or big storage ROMs that work well with activesync with exchange 2k7.
In my opinion HTC Home is a must as it has the launcher, the weather, the profile settings.
Some people don't like it because of it takes up so much realestate, but I beg to differ because of the features above.
I also would like setaccousticparam.exe to run upon install of a ROM it helps a lot with sound, PDACorner V19 and most of the DVH roms are good like this.
Split MMS, with arcsoft MMS 4.2.81 is also wanted. and of course the 1% battery DLL would be good too.
What I like is storage, stability, and looks, which I am unable to find them combined together! Oh I also like video calling and am a heavy data user.
CRCinAU is coming out with something real special, might worth talking to him. But again, his hasn't got the looks I want, I like nice icons, some sounds while clicking and colours on the task bar, come on it's a 2 year old gadget, let's spice it up a bit! What MS CE OS build are you working with?
As for files, PDACorner has a bunch of cabs that works with most builds these days including CRC's
Further thoughts on naked light roms:
I don't understand why people look for such ROM, as far as I can see your SD Lists are as long as a trip to Bombay! Might as well get them cooked in, the necessities as they are what we all use. I am happy at least with PDACorner with the different things well cooked in, speed and not compromising stability. I am only putting the heads up on the returning chef. Let's face it I am lazy, and who isn't sorting out SD config list compatibilities etc. I like nice icons I like colours on my task bar, I don't like S2U2 at times it conflicts with BT voice commander commands as far as microsoft goes.
Further thoughts again, you guys should stick to one chef, and get them to make things the way you like it and reward the damn chef accordingly. I see people jumping from chef to chef, and yet I see some chefs only make so little from what is considered as a full time job.
These are only my 2c

mattk_r said:
I'm working getting a build together, but am a little out of touch with what's the latest and most popular cab's going around.
If you can, please post or PM me samples of what you'd like a new rom to work with. Idealy they'd be dialpads, comm managers, today screen, etc. I'll do what I can to be sure they work with the base build.
It's currently at 82.74 Storage and 30.18 Program, with just camera 4.0 installed. Testing battery usage and stability...
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I like iContact, but PocketCM is ok too.
I generally install UltimateLaunch myself (via Sashimi auto-install), so I prefer a Rom that doesn't waste space with anything else. With that I use TodayAgenda, and other 3rd party apps for weather, etc.
Don't like Big Storage. Also staying away from compressed ROMs.
Do like big Program Mem.
Lately I've mostly played with ROMs from CRCinAu and PDACorner.
Stability and Speed are the most important. Since I'm not a data user, I tend towards the "Lite" ROMs, since I figure most stuff I can install myself (tho I get the impression some things run faster if cooked in? Haven't unravelled that mystery yet).
For Comm Mgr I am not too picky.. however its nice to have a ROM where either a) the CommMgr has a vibrate button or b) push-and-hold on the Comm button toggles that (yes I can install after, so not a big deal)
For dialer, the bigger the buttons, the better, and easy access to call-history and contacts list (recently there has appeared an infinitely un-useful IMO
screen when you "hide keypad" before making any call.. seems to be more a function of the ROM than the dialer tho...)
Looks are nice.. function is better.
Any task manager is welcome.

matt isn't this for a naked ROM for the kitchen that you use to do where we can install cook our own apps in? If so then theres no need to have HTC home or any other crap loaded as you can cook it yourself.
ANYWAY matt I'm glad to see you back and can't wait to try out the kitchen with new ROM..
here are some cabs..all of these work with the latest 6.1 ROM's

Don't forget Call Firewall. Personally I use Total Commander instead of File Manager, but that's personal taste. I'm not a fan of the S2(fill in the blank), and definitely not a fan of any menus with large fonts.
Would also like to have a theme where the top/bottom bars are glossy black, and just a plain black background (not the diamond background)

Thanks for the feedback and especially the files!
After I'm sure it's good and stable, I'll open the "pandora's box" and get a new kitchen setup for the masses.
Most of my old OEM Packages are outdated, so there's lots of work to do to get new ones built from around the site.

realty clean clean latest build AKU 1.3.3 (no MMS, NETCF,office, HTC Home) compressed with big storage will be very welcome
the minimum files in windows folder the better
regards
edward

edward-riko said:
realty clean clean latest build AKU 1.3.3 (no MMS, NETCF,office, HTC Home) compressed with big storage will be very welcome
the minimum files in windows folder the better
regards
edward
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Agreed..
I think some people think your actually like making a full ROM or something which is not the case. For those who don't know he makes a very clean naked ROM and releases with the kitchen and OEM packages so you can COOK your own apps in and make it the way you want.
So it might save some time and not ask for a bunch of apps cooked in..Provide some cabs and maybe there will be an OEM version of it.

mattk_r said:
...what's the latest and most popular cab's going around...
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Well here go my 2 cents
¤ NETCF35 [Definetly...!]
¤ Samsung Time [Instead of that awfull thing that takes out half of your screen space...]
¤ Network Wizard [The automated one. Dunno the release...]
¤ MS Office 6.1 [Latest version with OneNote and OneNote correction]
¤ PIM Backup V.2.8
¤ Schap's Advanced Config V.2.1.0.0 [That's a must]
¤ Call Calendar [A VERY usefull tool/add-on]
¤ MagiCall or Call Firewall
¤ TCPMP Media Player V.0.81 RC1
¤ Regedit Merlin
¤ Personalizer 2.0 [To change the displayed carrier name]
Please find below the Rapidshare link pointing to a RAR file conaining all the above mentioned applications.
¤ Kevlar-Source to XDA Developers ¤
Hope my opinion serves some purpose
Cheers.

few cabs for you

And don't forget
- Kitchen_sink.cab

zim2dive said:
And don't forget
- Kitchen_sink.cab
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LOL...doesn't sound lite or clean to me

mattk_r said:
Most of my old OEM Packages are outdated, so there's lots of work to do to get new ones built from around the site.
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Most of them might be older builds, but they still work just as fine as a newer builds except for some softwares! i really dont care about OEM packages, just release the dog gone kitchen LOL

A beautiful Diamond theme dialer is at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405727

Lord_BlackAdder said:
A beautiful Diamond theme dialer is at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405727
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Nice, does it have smart dial in it?

ai6908 said:
Nice, does it have smart dial in it?
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Yes it does. I've using it for a week now and works perfectly.

people here says right things, but few corrections. htc home, snaps tools, and .net3.5 difenetly must be included. as for me no need to include ms office and mms. maybe you need to include dutty task manager, and sort of comm manager which allow to use 10- buttion stile. and personal reqest from me - cab whith dialpad, I'm from ukraine - so english dialpads not for me. and if you provide cab I will translate it by myself.
you doing great things - wish you inspiration, and if you need some photoshop work with rom - my icq in profile, will help whith pleasure.

[idea] ultra light rom with cab collections!!!!!

i was about to go sleep i then i got in my opinoin a great idea and here it is
i was thinking about a theard in which all uptodate rom in ultra light and full tweakt in diffrent languages and a cab colection are avaible
and the xda developers user can download the language he want and choose the applications(attenched cab files) to mix his personal rom
everyone who uses a coocked rom knows what im talkin about the rom has allways an app the user dont really want
and with this theard this problem can be terminated

Good Idea!
But It must be with UC And all Cab collection must be inside on Internal Storage...
So you delete unwanted cabs from _Install directory and you run it...
Also Will be good to Get from start 140mb free ROM memory and 114 RAM

The closest thing i've seen so far:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498873
Rom: 162.67mb total / around 160mb free;
Ram: 109.07mb total / around 75mb free.
i'm using it now, it's really nice, fast, no memory leak and is great for times like these when there's a new manilla every week.

Hamido123 said:
i was about to go sleep i then i got in my opinoin a great idea and here it is
i was thinking about a theard in which all uptodate rom in ultra light and full tweakt in diffrent languages and a cab colection are avaible
and the xda developers user can download the language he want and choose the applications(attenched cab files) to mix his personal rom
everyone who uses a coocked rom knows what im talkin about the rom has allways an app the user dont really want
and with this theard this problem can be terminated
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It would work but it'd be slower than a current cooked ROM and it would be more bloated in it's use of storage space.
The reason for cooking apps and things into a ROM was explained by dutty - I cannot find the exact post but there is something to do with compression and space saving. An example given was where you cook in (don't quote me on this but it was something along these lines) Windows Live Messenger and it only takes up 100kb but if you install it by cab it uses 1.1mb. Thus installing everything by .cab would leave you with a lot less usuable free space.
Not to mention the performance related side of things. A perfect example is the new BETA Manila2. Whilst it's awesome, awesome work by xboxmod and co. It runs like a dog when installed via .cab IMHO and I've tried it on at least 5 ROMs. Cook it in and it runs like a dream. Memory (RAM) usage is not too much higher than the original Manila.
They are the main reasons apps and things are cooked in.

sounds good except "full tweaked" - full tweaked --> i.e. tweak.cab
and the cabs have to be oem'able i.e. by cab2oem.
on diamond there was fully of tweakies and the most tweakies are not for all people a tweak. i.e. faster touch scrolling. i hate this but for other people is a good tweaky.

I've been thinking about something similar to this idea, but to save on the space lost by using cabs rather than OEMs, it's a far simpler "plugin" kitchen, with a very simple GUI.
You check some boxes, and hit build and it builds the ROM with nothing else going on, so it's possible for everyone to do.
When an update like a new Manila comes along, it would be available as an OEM pack that could simple be slotted into the kitchen and then a new ROM could be built.
There could also be some provision for generating things like email/wifi settings in provxml files so when you flash the ROM everything is good to go including your email accounts...
This is a little project I've been working on slowly, and so doesn't do very much, but when I get the time to, I'll make it work, and do things. I might even open source it, and make it possible to build for different devices... But that's even more long term....

Isn't this what the people over at PPCKitchen.org have been working on? Just asking...

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Isn't this what the people over at PPCKitchen.org have been working on? Just asking...
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Yes...
I respect there work, I just personally don't like the way they've done it, as it only very rarely works for me, and it's not quite as easy to use as I'd like... And it's not the easiest to expand...

Some questions about the Touch Pro 2 [follower model, BlackBerry, Performance, Apps]

Hey there,
right now I am thinking about getting a new device and there are some questions that keep me awake at night.
1. Are there any news or rumors about the following model of the Touch Pro 2 ?
1.1 When do you expect the follower model of the TP2?
2. As far as I know from going through the respective threads, there is no possibility yet to get BlackBerry Messenger working on the TP2. Is that just a matter of (a bit of) time, or does this require some hardware/server/technical changes from BlackBerry?
Since in (most) German mobile phone stores the devices on display are not working (you can't switch em on), I wanted to ask about the performance of the TP 2.
3. Is the (outdated?) 528 Mhz processor of the TP2 capable of running smooth 3D user interface operations (I think it's called Manila) on the org. WM6.5 ROM?
3.1 While the TP2 comes with the standard WM6.1 ROM, would you recommend to switch to the org. WM6.5 ROM or are there any cooked ROMs which are not too much about customizing, but optimizing performance or overclocking?
4. I couldnt find anything about that on the HTC website, but does the org. WM6.5 ROM include apps like Facebook, Twitter, etc.?
4.1 Does the org. WM6.5 ROM for the Touch Pro 2 include HTC Sense, or more like: does it have the same user interface and functions as the Touch HD2 ROM? And if not, is there any cooked ROM for the TP2 that has all (or some of) those functions and is it working properly/smoothly? (just asking because the HD2 runs on a twice-as-fast 1 Ghz processor).
5. If you have time and feel like answering this: Are there any Apps for the TP2 that make or life easier, increase the performance, simplify the handling,etc.?
I would really appreciate some help on these questions.
Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.

an answer to only some of those questions would be helpful already

1. Here's a page with the supposed HTC roadmap for devices of 2010. Keep in mind these are leaked files; the phones might not be released, or there might be phones that are not on the list that could launch this year.
The last phone mentioned is the HTC Tera. This seems to be a more powerful (600Mhz CPU), yet downgraded TP2 (check out some of the mentioned specs, and look at the picture of the more inferior keyboard). IMO, I don't think it's worth waiting for this!
3. I don't have, nor have I ever tried, the official HTC-released WM6.5 ROM. I'm using a beta-ROM of WM6.5.5, which has the Start button at the bottom left of the screen. The processor is "outdated," especially since it was present on the original HTC TP1 (Raphael).
I have tried the stock-carrier-ROM with WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 for T-Mobile USA (HTC's ROM is also WM6.5 with Manila 2.1) and the Manila UI (the screens with the slider/tabs at the bottom of the screen) was fast.
3.1 Some people prefer not to switch to WM6.5 as it uses more program memory to process all of the graphical changes.
If you look for ark666's Rhodium_AF ROMs in the ROMs section, you might find they look very "stock-ish" but run efficiently.
4. I believe there is Facebook integration in the ROM. Otherwise, you could go into the new WM Marketplace on the TP2 and download the Facebook App for free. Likewise (I think) for Twitter.
4.1 The HTC ROM comes with Manila (aka Sense) 2.1. Sense 2.1 looks something like this (of course, there will be some visual differences, as this is customized).
Sense2.5 is currently official to run only on the HTC HD2. XDA-Developer ROM chefs, however, have ported this to many other HTC devices. Sense 2.5 looks like this. These are usually a little laggier, but not too much. I've loved these "'Leo' ROMs for Rhodium" for 4 months now.
5. There are many apps out there! You would definitely want to have Advanced Configuration Tool as it contains many tweaks.
Here's where you can get apps: 1800PocketPC, WM6software, freewarepocketpc, the WM Marketplace on the WM6.5 (though there's a download to get it on WM6.1) update, XDA-Developers (via searching). You will notice many apps can be found in any -- if not all -- of the links. There are many people who upload the same software on different websites.

Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.

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5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the BB questions, but I've got some other stuff that might be useful...
WMWifiRouter should work for you in 6.1/6.5. They have a time-limited trial version so you can give it a test drive first, I've attached the cab below. However, there's also a free solution available here on xda that may be adequate for you, it's called HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing, details on THIS THREAD. Try 'em both out and see what you prefer...the free one works just fine for me!
The music app you're thinking of is probably Shazam, and it's available in the windows marketplace. There's also at least one other app that claims to do the same thing, but I think Shazam is the more mature and widespread app.

Don-Carlo said:
Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.
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3. & 3.1. Sorry! I meant ark666's ROMs are all WM6.5, but they look close to a stock ROM, and run as efficiently as WM6.1 (so I've been told)!
Build 21889 is WM6.5, which [still] has the Start button at the top-left corner.
Builds with 23xxx, 24xxx, 28xxx are WM6.5.X (X being either 3 or 5). These have the Start button at the bottom-left of the screen, as you can see in the Sense2.1 link I had in my previous post.
Based on that info ^^^ ark666's ROM, WM6.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. While his WM6.5.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. I have yet to try these newly released ROMs, so I cannot comment on them.
4 & 4.1. You can't really notice differences in WM builds, especially since the chefs usually enhance it more. The EnergyROMs are highly customized and have many apps and tweaks already built-in whereas Rhodium_AF ROMs, like I said, are close to stock. The flashing process is very easy and shouldn't take that long, so you should try these ROMs.
However, now that you're asking about the EnergyROMs, you should also check out agent_47's ValkyrieROMs. These are sort of "in the middle" of the EnergyROMs and Rhodium_AF ROMs.
5b. Shazam is okay, but I really use/prefer Midomi (attached).

Hey,...
...sorry to push this thread to the top.
Just a quick question: I just got my new TP2 and saw, that on the back cover, there is no protection glass over the camera. It is just a whole. Is that normal?
I'm just wondering, because thats the first time is see this on a HTC device. I mean it's kinda unconvenient, since dust can get underneath the back cover easily.

**push**

Yes, that's normal.