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HELP! Dash or MDA? Pocket Office on Dash? (for editing capabilities) Hack or Download

I've talked to everyone when considering choosing between the MDA and the newer Dash?
Is it possible to get a free version of Pocket Office to put on the Dash so I can have the editing option for Microsoft Documents?
MDA or Dash? Which is more versitile, faster, and good for work & networking on the fly?
Does the MDA have WiFi like the Dash? for free wifi connections.
After too many T-Mobile reps, HTC reps, and other users...I'm exhausted with beating around the bush form the simple, and exact answers I'm looking for. You advice and expertise would truly be appreciated. Help! Thanks.
Ryan

Choose the Dash
I have both. While I have only had teh Dash about a week, I have had no problems with it - no resets or freezes. With my MDA, I was constantly resetting it. The Dash doe stake some getting used to and you will have to buy a spreadsheet program, but I would choose it over the MDA in a flash. The Dash appears to be faster than the MDA as well. The only compliants that I have regarding the Dash is that there is no version of Voice Command for it nor is there a good RN caclulator.

there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time

JwY said:
there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time
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This saddens me. Pocket office was very handy. Hopefully something will come about soon.

Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.

Thank you for the feedback.
I have been leaning towards the MDA, but didn't want to take a step back in technology advantage, given that I'll have this phone for a while and I'll want to get the most from the device. OR Should I go with DASH in hope of getting an app to edit documents? Is there anytihng coming out soon, or where should i go to find out where to get it? Can I use either device with google's new word and excel editting, without being connected to a free wifi?
Are both devices able to use Skype?
The MDA glitches and complaints do worry me about dependability. Do you believe the MDA is stable, and is the HTC Hermes able to be used with T-Mobile?
The phone I have (Nokia 3660) just died (only shows Nokia when booting up, in a continuous loop). Therefore i have just lost 600 numbers which weren't sync to the new laptop i had ot buy because my old one was stolen 2 months ago. If you have any advice on retreaving these numbers let me know.
Also, do you recommend getting the MDA from T-Mobile for $250 or from eBay? or other cell phone sites you recommend for purchases?
Ryan

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This saddens me. Pocket office was very handy. Hopefully something will come about soon.
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same here. someone should at least make a third party app for it instead of only viewers.
the dash makes a better phone and the mda makes a better pda. that's the biggest difference to me.

RazrV3 said:
Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.
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The MDA uses the same processor as the Dash, TI omap 850 200mhz

I had or tested almost ANY HTC device sold in Europe since HTC was a startup company.
EXCALIBUR is the best device I ever seen! Obviously new devices are better than older, but still I believe on BLUE ANGEL concept, (good device at that time, revolutionary)
You feel it in your hand soft, good design, reliable since the first release, stable bluetooth 2.0, last WM5 release, lot of fix and improvement.
Good display, form factor, keyboard and battery life (in a normal day, even using bluetooth, have always with you an USB cable, just in case...)
I don't need glasses to read at, due to resolution and backlight (don't laught too much, experience and close eyesight are reversed functions) one hand usage in 90% of conditions.
The microSD is well stored INSIDE the battery case, avoiding dust and accidental un-insertion.
Problems? screen protector NEEDED, no case in the package (I am using an IPOD sock), poor (compared to pocket PC) software avaliability, Smartphone notes is a MUST have (to insert small notes or align with PC notes) for a device with keyboard!
TORNADO POWER CONTROL is a battery saver, little overclok for a 200 MHz processor (228) and good downclock to save battery (116)

I installed a freeware program from vieka.com called Wordpad 2.9, works great. PTAB covers Excel....

I love my Dash. It's fast and easy to use. I love the one handed operation once I enabled the full jogger.
*BUT*
When I travel, I take my K-Jam and I don't need my laptop. I can do everything with it. I can't say the same about the Dash since it doesn't have mobile office.
On my last vacation, I didn't take my laptop because I didn't plan on working. When I got there, I found out I had to write 2 proposals within 24 hours. Quite simply, I would have been screwed without my K-Jam.
BUT
For an everyday device at work, I now prefer my Dash as I edit word and excel files between 0 and 1 times a year normally.
Dash rocks (and is hella-fast too). Once HTC releases a newer FW for it, I can get the T-Mobile crap off of it.
-Mc

link to download office
Hi i need a link to download ms office for WM5. please help

Hi,
there's no download for Office for WM5, it is part of the PPC-ROMs (Office Mobile). For WM5 Smartphones you can use Clearvue Suite from Westtek (only viewer).
Greetings Newchurch

dash is view docs only...AFAIK
I have had an mda for about six months and liked it, HTC and this communuity so much I bought a dash for my wife instead of an SDA, I like the dash it is a smartfone, and should be called that, it is leaps and bounds above the older smartphone os' but Its a far cry from WM5 and MS is trying to trick less wary buyers into thinking that the 2 very different operating systems are the same, and they are not...
I haven't seen any way to edit office stuff on the dash, but I have yet to get as involved in it as I am my wiz, so I may be wrong.
If you wanna replace your laptop with somthing smaller the MDA is the way to go.
If you want "just a phone" with tons of flexability go for the dash.
they are both great devices, but very different despite a similar GUI.
bhang

The OS's are teh same on both phones. Its just a different interface. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed. If they were different OS's then why are there instructions at HoFo on running PPC apps on smartphone?
I have both devices, and like them both. I like the small size and form factor of the Gash, but the larger Screen and the PPC UI make it easier for me to get around, but I'm gettingused to teh dash too. The MDA is more customizeable (more options for home screen, as well as a lot of ROM's here to try.) But teh dash seems more stable to me (prolly due to all teh fiddling I've done on teh MDA tho)
Also Documents to go has announced they are making a SP version. That will let you edit Office apps when it comes out. There might be a demo or somethgn now, I don't remember.

@bittermormon, you're right, a preview is now available for the smartphone
http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/winmobile/index.html

XDA Orbit - Questions from a Prophet user!

Hi,
I currently own a Prophet (I-Mate Jamin model) which I bought around 12 months ago on an o2 contract. I'm happy with the device and haven't had any issues with it that I haven't been able to resolve myself (& by lurking on these forums) but as I mentioned, I've had it about 12 months now and I'm due an upgrade with o2.
I'm considering getting an XDA Orbit but the specs seem pretty much the same as my Prophet. I'm attracted to it becauase physically it looks nicer from what I can tell, but that's pretty much it.
Can any of you shed any light on what the main differences are between these devices and if it would actually be worth me upgrading to the Orbit?
WM6 is obviously a big factor in this, I don't know if it will ever be availible for the Prophet but it appears that there may be a chance it will be availible for the Orbit.
The only faults I have with my Prophet are the way it has the worlds worst vibrate feature (very noisy & long) & it's quite weighty and a bit bulky for my pocket. If these features are better on the Orbit then it would be a selling point for me.
Lastly, one thing that's importnat to me is the 'keypad' software that seems to be present on the Prophets roms. I'm used to this for one handed input, - is this availible on the XDA Orbit?
I realise this is all a bit drawn out but I'm hoping that there will be members hear that can relate to my issues and give me some advice!
If not, I might just stick with my Prophet for now and see what else comes out in the future, although I'm also slightly tempted to go the Symbian route and get a Nokia N95 which o2 also have an offer and it looks quite nice (but then I don't know a great deal about Symbian)
Any views??!
Thanks for any help!

An update to an Orbit will be fairly easy for you as you will be used to the operation of the phone
You will also get
wi-fi - I use this all the time
GPS - either Co-Pilot or you can get TomTom (worth the upgrade on it's own in my opinion
WM6 next month (hopefully)
O2 will let you have it for free, you can sell your old one on ebay for £150ish
I don't think the N-95 is all it was cracked up to be. The GPS is not as good as the Orbit - either the hardware or the supplied software
What have you got to loose ?
Hays

Gah, screwed up...

Thanks hays, I appreciate that.
This might be a silly question but can you get the T9 'phonepad' on the Orbit, it's just I read in a review that it wasn't available & I use this constantly on my Prophet.
One of the other things about the N95 that's been attracting me is the camera quality, but I do feel more comfortable sticking with windows mobile if I'm honest, especially if I can upgrade for free.
Also my Prophet does have Wi-Fi, I use this a lot...The N95 also has it...
Thanks again,

yes the phone pad was posted on the forum and I use it all the time with my orbit.
I cant argue re the camera - the orbits is good in daylight - not so good in low light. Definately 1-0 to the N95 for that one
I've not seen tomtom running on a 95. I gather the supplied s/w is pretty lame. The GPS chip is not SIRF III, meaning it takes a few mins to lock on when you start up. Also needs a failrly good line of sight in your veh according to some
My orbit locks on in around 20 secs. It can even get a lock from the middle of my house

Hi hays, thanks again for the free help!
Sorry to keep up with the questions, but one last thing - GPS is new to me. Is this something that there are data charges for? I'm not sure how it works.
I've a Vodafone sim from my works phone that I was hoping to use in the Orbit but I'm not sure if I'll still be able to use GPS with it or how much it costs if I stick with my o2 sim.
I guess I should probably be proactive and Google this!
Thanks again,
(also, good news about the phone pad)

GPS = Global Positioning System. Free and used worldwide
GPS is free on the Orbit as it behaves exactly the same way as a regular in car GPS (unless you subscribe to live traffic updates which use GPRS - which is your phone's mobile data service)
The maps are stored on your storage card and therefore require no downloads. It does not matter which network or sim card you use as the orbit's GPS is stand alone
I believe the N95 uses GPRS to download the maps so that may be a factor to consider

Pro2 and Universal photo comparison

-not the best of photos, but you'll get the drift. If anyone wants better ones, just let me know

Nice . Not that the phones look like eachother, but still funny to see. People who have the universal rate it high.
What grades would u give to both phones concerning the useablitiy?
Just from looking at it, I would prefer the TP2 for typing and watching movies.
Strange thing btw, everyone says the screen is briliant and you can see everything, even in the sun. but on photo's it realy glares a lot.

quarintus said:
Strange thing btw, everyone says the screen is briliant and you can see everything, even in the sun. but on photo's it realy glares a lot.
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I think it's because the screen dims after a few secs if you don't touch it. To save battery life.
Yeah it's cool to look at both machines but the second pic is a bit too blurred to see. Sorry...

Tomo said:
-not the best of photos, but you'll get the drift. If anyone wants better ones, just let me know
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I´m happy to find this thread!
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
TP2 is a good candidate as it has better specs in almost all, but still missing the form factor swiveling screen as Uni is really more like a micro lap top with phone than a phone with nice stuff like TP2.
I´m still no sure that TP2 can really be Uni succesor but at least is a posibility
I´ll wait till the ends of 09 to see what new models comming from HTC or Toshiba and then I´ll make my desicion on what device to buy to replace my Uni (If replaceble)
Cheers,
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1751&id2=313

orb3000 said:
I´m happy to find this thread!
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
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From all the threads I read that you have posted, you really do love your little Universal. He he he... Not saying it's a bad thing. I respect people like you, people that knows exactly what they want and won't jump and just buy anything that is new.
It really does take a lot of patients. You will make a good equity trader! Waiting for 4 years is a long time mate! Perseverance of finding the perfect handset is hard to hold.
Me, I am waiting to buy my first full QWERTY handset, the TP2. I hope the wait is worth it. Waiting for 4 months is already very hard, don't know how I can wait for 4 years. My hands will be so itchy, there will be no hands left.

For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
Now that I have a TP2, I can finally enjoy a universal-class phone in a form factor that is practical.
The keyboard is SO much better than any other HTC device I have used before. Certainly it wipes the floor with the Kaiser keypad. I feel it is more responsive than the Universals.
The screen is just plain tasty, and touchflo has been massively improved.
I am pleased!

dazultra2000 said:
For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
Now that I have a TP2, I can finally enjoy a universal-class phone in a form factor that is practical.
The keyboard is SO much better than any other HTC device I have used before. Certainly it wipes the floor with the Kaiser keypad. I feel it is more responsive than the Universals.
The screen is just plain tasty, and touchflo has been massively improved.
I am pleased!
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I-hate-you....NOT.
I'm on Sprint (CDMA) and can't wait to get my hands on this provided the rumors about a mid-June launch are true. Was going to get a Palm Pre but will be forced to change my plan to almost double, so TP2 it is.
How is the battery life, ear piece quality and does it get hot? I had the original Touch Pro for a month and took it back because battery life was horrid and it would heat up in the middle of the keyboard area bad after a few mins on Opera. Thanks.

Battery life so far is on par with my TyTNII. It's not great, but it's not terrible!
It hasn't got hot for me yet, but I've not really been pushing it.
Not made enough calls to comment on the quality of the earpiece yet, but the speaker is louder than my TyTNII (though sounds a bit more "echoey")
Main concern at the moment is there is no lens cover on the back shell as with most other phones. It's just a hole that leads through to the main camera sensor lens...hoping I don't scratch it!
Oooh and the ambient light sensor and g-sensor are cool!

dazultra2000 said:
For me, the Universal was my dream phone, but the form factor made it utterly impractical for day-to-day use for me.
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Exactly the same for me, in 2005 when I bought the Wizard, my dream was the Universal. I bought it last year and keeped it only 6 month (unpractical).
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Battery life so far is on par with my TyTNII. It's not great, but it's not terrible!
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True with the htc roms. False with the last radio. With last radio the battery life is excellent and with the last M2D and WM6.5 it terrible!!!
If the Pro 2 is something between TyTn2 and Universal, it's perfect for me. If the bluetooth stack works fine with my S705, doesn't matter for the FM radio (it's integrated in my S705).
I wanted it in Orange offer.

orb3000 said:
As an proud Universal owner as primary buisness oriented device I have been waiting patiently to find the perfect replacement for my Uni, but 4 years later nothing worth to look.
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I once had a Uni, 'upgraded' to the TYTNII and am now waiting to see if my carrier will have the TP2. Whilst the newer phones out perform the Uni (for me!) I still wish that I could get something with the guts of a TYTNII in the casing of a Uni. That was a brilliant device.

Snapped some of my own pics for you guys to ponder over.

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Snapped some of my own pics for you guys to ponder over.
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Thanks for pictures. Nice one!

Great comparison pictures!
Thanks a lot!
Besides the size and RAM I´m still choosing Universal!

orb3000 said:
Great comparison pictures!
Thanks a lot!
Besides the size and RAM I´m still choosing Universal!
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As a fellow Universal afficionado, I share your view of how great a device it is, but apart from the RAM and size there's the GPS, higher connection speeds, screen & camera capability. These things might not be important to everyone, but made me make the change (still have the Universal though)

My Universal is long gone, Touch Pro 2 is the new King!

Tomo said:
As a fellow Universal afficionado, I share your view of how great a device it is, but apart from the RAM and size there's the GPS, higher connection speeds, screen & camera capability. These things might not be important to everyone, but made me make the change (still have the Universal though)
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+1 for the Uni lovers.
I still haven't found a replacement for my Uni.
It is still by far the most practical business PDA / UMPC on the market.
I am waiting for a TP2 to arrive, and have been highly disappointed with the Raphael. (my fault for jumping in and buying one without doing my research first) I could never get used to the tiny 2.8 screen or the little keyboard.
My Uni still makes me smile every time I use it, it has never let me down (and I've had it since they were first released) robust, decent keyboard (with tilt and flip, so no issues of not being able to see the screen whilst typing comfortably) The only let down for my poor Uni is lack of GPS, with the 128mb ram upgrade I managed to make her last a bit longer as a primary device, but eventually had to get an "All-In-One " device that was more practical for everyday use.
I hope the Rhodium lives up to the reviews and has better reception amongst other things over the TP.
LONG LIVE THE UNI
I'll post some pics of my devices for peoples enjoyment (Still have a fully functional Wallaby at home too)
Cheers,
Beasty

Here's another post from a Universal fanboy
I've been using the Universal exclusively for almost 4 years now. Except for a big mistake I made when I ordered a Glofiish M800 and used that for a couple of days, got rid of that one real quick, and since I exchanged it for a Qtek 9000 I made that wrong right again. So I now own an MDA Pro a Qtek 9000 and... since 2 days, a Touch Pro 2.
I have to start out with saying that I personally always carried the Universal with me in my pocket. I Never had an issue with it's size. And as for the real reason I got a new device? Well you know, I want to see myself as a sort-of early adapter and since that Universal was way ahead of it's time, and I pre-orderd that device in spring 2005, I just wanted something new to play with. Why it took so long for anyone to release a device that even came close to the Universal is beyond me.
Personally I never really used a lot of local applications on the Uni. Except for the phone, sms and calender functions and navigation software the thing I used the most by far was remote desktop. The size of the screen, the resolution the AWESOME keyboard and the UMTS and Wifi connections really let me use my workstation and server to their full potential, ANYWHERE in the world.
While I did flash the device with new versions of Windows Mobile that I found on this forum I never really owned a device with TouchFlo on it. Obviously I did play around with TouchFlo on devices that friends and colleagues owned.
After having used the device for about a day these are the things I noticed when I compare it to our beloved Uni's:
TP2 Pro's:
-Size: Like I said, the size never bothered me, but as I was used to the Universal the Touch Pro2 is TINY
-Resolution: 800x480 beats 640x480, especially when using Remote Desktop.
-HSDPA
-Internal GPS
-Conference call option in TouchFlo (which someone on this forum has probably hacked into the Uni already as well)
-Just having something new already
-Audio call quality is higher
-Keyboard is almost as good as the Uni's
TP2 Cons:
-While I never used it, I just don't get why there's no mini-jack connection
-No flash: While I used the flash on the Universal as a flash light most of the time and not as a flash for the camera I just don't get why they couldn't at least put a LED light on the device.
-No TAB-key on the keyboard. I really miss this when filling in forms online.
-The slide-and-tilt formfactor is ok, but not as good as what the Uni does. When the screen on the TP2 is fully tilted It's difficult to press the number keys (top row). Also when I carried the Uni in my pocket the screen was always well protected. I guess it takes some getting used to as well.
-Keyboard is ALMOST as good as the Uni's

Johny58 said:
Here's another post from a Universal fanboy
I've been using the Universal exclusively for almost 4 years now. Except for a big mistake I made when I ordered a Glofiish M800 and used that for a couple of days, got rid of that one real quick, and since I exchanged it for a Qtek 9000 I made that wrong right again. So I now own an MDA Pro a Qtek 9000 and... since 2 days, a Touch Pro 2.
I have to start out with saying that I personally always carried the Universal with me in my pocket. I Never had an issue with it's size. And as for the real reason I got a new device? Well you know, I want to see myself as a sort-of early adapter and since that Universal was way ahead of it's time, and I pre-orderd that device in spring 2005, I just wanted something new to play with. Why it took so long for anyone to release a device that even came close to the Universal is beyond me.
Personally I never really used a lot of local applications on the Uni. Except for the phone, sms and calender functions and navigation software the thing I used the most by far was remote desktop. The size of the screen, the resolution the AWESOME keyboard and the UMTS and Wifi connections really let me use my workstation and server to their full potential, ANYWHERE in the world.
While I did flash the device with new versions of Windows Mobile that I found on this forum I never really owned a device with TouchFlo on it. Obviously I did play around with TouchFlo on devices that friends and colleagues owned.
After having used the device for about a day these are the things I noticed when I compare it to our beloved Uni's:
TP2 Pro's:
-Size: Like I said, the size never bothered me, but as I was used to the Universal the Touch Pro2 is TINY
-Resolution: 800x480 beats 640x480, especially when using Remote Desktop.
-HSDPA
-Internal GPS
-Conference call option in TouchFlo (which someone on this forum has probably hacked into the Uni already as well)
-Just having something new already
-Audio call quality is higher
-Keyboard is almost as good as the Uni's
TP2 Cons:
-While I never used it, I just don't get why there's no mini-jack connection
-No flash: While I used the flash on the Universal as a flash light most of the time and not as a flash for the camera I just don't get why they couldn't at least put a LED light on the device.
-No TAB-key on the keyboard. I really miss this when filling in forms online.
-The slide-and-tilt formfactor is ok, but not as good as what the Uni does. When the screen on the TP2 is fully tilted It's difficult to press the number keys (top row). Also when I carried the Uni in my pocket the screen was always well protected. I guess it takes some getting used to as well.
-Keyboard is ALMOST as good as the Uni's
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Great comparative with pics that give an idea of sizes comparison!
Thanks a lot for this!
Every new year comes I think if HTC would do again something on the form factor of Universal: A micro lap top with phone functions!! but nothing...

Should i Get the Touch Pro 2

Hi All,
Please help me make my mind up,
i have read alot of good things and some bad things about the TP2,
The thing is i already have the HD and it is Great... (great ROM's out there)
But now i have the opportunity to get the TP2 as a work phone,
Now i can't make my mind up if i should just stay with the HD or get the TP2.
Please let me have some of your guys feedback as to the things you like about the TP2 and the things you dislike...
I know that the only real difference is the KBD,
But how is the build quality and the speed of the phone.
Really anything you can tell me about the TP2 would be great.
How is the TP2 after some use, i have heard some bad things about screen wobble...
and how is the slide after some use...
Thanks in advance

Hi
I have been using this phone (unlocked HTC version) since more than a month now and the build quality is awesome. I am comparing it with following (I have used in past)
• Imate kjam
• O2 xda trion (htc tytn I)
• Htc tytn II (tilt one)
• Touch pro (for a week or so, used my cousin’s )
• iPhone (I dared to try and returned in just 7 days due to it being a toy and not a professional communication device http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3981278&postcount=23 )
I can confirm that sliding mechanism is ok so far, I compose a lot of emails and sms and this is one of the reasons I always prefer devices with keyboard (except for my iPhone experience). I don’t use its tilt feature much but occasionally and so far it is working perfectly. Further on tilting, it was a bit stiff in the beginning and you would have to put a bit of extra pressure to tilt it up and down, but now (after using it for a month) it has become less stiff.
Needless to say, the keyboard on this device is the best so far on any winmo device (imho). The second best QWERTY I liked (after tp2) was of O2 xda trion (htc tytn I).
To be honest, there is one thing I miss on tp2 and that is “D-pad”, since I was very much used to using D-pad, I miss it the most, but if you are moving from HTC Touch HD, it should not be a problem (have never used HD, but this is what occurs to me).
The other good thing about this device is the “looks” of it. It looks real nice and not just a black brick in your hand.
The speakers for conf call is also awesome and having dual microphone (one for noise cancelling) it really is what HTC claims it to be "Straight Talk"
Internet browsing experience should be similar to what it is on HD with an added ease of use using zoom bar / slider. However it zooms the page from middle and u’ll either have to pan for viewing the desired portion of page or double tap as you would on HD (assuming you are using opera)
The camera is of an “ok” quality not as good as one would expect from such a high end device. If you are too much into taking pictures and making videos (video is at 20 fps, to the best of my knowledge and is acceptable), you might want to consider taking a test drive before you invest.
Email experience, nothing to say about it, it’s the best on winmo.
If there is anything specific that you would want to know, plz ask and I’ll try to respond.
Regards,
Siraj.

hazard.za said:
Hi All,
Please help me make my mind up,
i have read alot of good things and some bad things about the TP2,
The thing is i already have the HD and it is Great... (great ROM's out there)
But now i have the opportunity to get the TP2 as a work phone,
Now i can't make my mind up if i should just stay with the HD or get the TP2.
Please let me have some of your guys feedback as to the things you like about the TP2 and the things you dislike...
I know that the only real difference is the KBD,
But how is the build quality and the speed of the phone.
Really anything you can tell me about the TP2 would be great.
How is the TP2 after some use, i have heard some bad things about screen wobble...
and how is the slide after some use...
Thanks in advance
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Keyboard is a worthy exchange if you message or type alot more than you use the headphone jack.
The keyboard is in fact, THE BEST IN THE WORLD right now (actually the unlocked or T-mobile versions are the best).
The Verizon and Telus Touch Pro2's will have an EARPHONE JACK at the bottom of the phone.
The build quality is excellent, except the sliding mechanism has a little bid of press. Therefore some units are very loose and make people angry.
The Touch Pro2 will make you realize it's the best Windows Mobile phone to use, except the lack of the headphone jack is stopping it from reaching the tops in our criteria for best phones.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492751
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4168157&postcount=1
Do a search and you´ll find all that you need to decide
p.s: The keyboard is not the best in the world...tough it´s nice

Read the other same subject threads, and then go for it

Windows 7 on HTC Touch Pro2?

I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?

WinMo7 will probably not work on the TP2. As for '6.5.1', well, considering most of the ROMs on this site are running '6.5.3', I think it's safe to say that your question is already answered

NNesin said:
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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I am sure the great chefs here at XDA will manage to cook a wm7 ROM for Rhodium
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NNesin said:
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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windows mobile 7 will not support resistive screens, but i am sure there is a go-around way that will be leaked and implemented, Lol
what i dont understand is why HTC is making considerable amount of new phones that run WM6.5 and have resistive screens (not capacitive so they can be upgraded to WM 7.0 officially)

orb3000 said:
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Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance

Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.

i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.

l3it3r said:
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.

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Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I stand with the rest of them, a physical keyboard AND tilting screen rule.
I could also care less about capacitive touch, as resistive is much more precise, thoug lacking in multi-touch :/

No ...
Even if the chiefs will be able to make WM 7.0 run on the TP2 .. i find it hard that it would be usable, ... as lots of the minimum requirments of the WM7.0 do not exist in TP2
ARM v6+, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (TP2 has Open GL ES 1.0), and Multi-touch is required (not optional)!
source: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html
so even if we be able to some how override those requirements, the device will be exceptionally sluggish

NNesin said:
Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance
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Have a deep read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
l3it3r said:
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I´m weird too as I prefer it for sure
xredjokerx said:
i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.
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Agree
Among other great features!
Rhodium!!!!!!!

What the difference in screens?
New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?

TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
JohnMcD348 said:
New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?
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Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.

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yeah, i'll chime in with my support for TP2 over the HD2. I was excited to hear that the HD2 was coming to the US, but after having the TP2 for a week or so, making heavy use of email, IM, texting and Word Mobile (wrote a 800 word article on my daily commute over 3 days), I realize how useful the physical keyboard is.
still, I have a Blackberry Storm for backup, or when I'm traveling and don't wanna be weighed down by the TP2. But the big screen and customizability of the phone is probably going to be enough to keep me from switching for at least 1.5 years. By the time I buy my next phone, I hope it'll have a 4.3 inch screen like the HD2, a physical keyboard, a MicroSDXC slot and come in at under 13mm wide.

sumflipnol said:
TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.
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OK, thanks for that. I guess I prefer the Resistive screens as I still use a Stylus pen for a majority of my work with handhelds. I have very large hands and find using a touch screen and the small keyboards a pain. I've been doing it for so many years that I'm actually pretty good and writing on the screen versus the onscreen keyboard.
So I guess eventually, I'll be out of luck when it comes to technology. If WinMo 7 won't support the resistive type screens I'll just have to stick with what I've got by then. Heck, I've been using my Axim x51v since it first came out and am only now seriously looking into getting something converged

I haven't used the physical keyboard on my TP2 more than a few times, and I really didn't NEED to then either. In the past, with tiny screens, yes, i'd agree. But when you have SIP options like fingerkeyboard or SWYPE (!!), the keyboard isn't really needed IMO. And saying the HD2 is the same as the TP2 minus a few parts is laughable at best. The HD2 has 802.11n, it has a 4.3" capacitve dual touch screen, 1ghz processor, etc etc etc...
In fact, I'm fairly certain that the TP2 has wet dreams about being replaced by the HD2.
I'm not saying that I don't like having a keyboard... because until recently I refused to buy anything that didn't have it (see history in sig). But, like the stylus (which I never use either), the keyboard is becoming less and less important the better and better the screens and software become.

I totally understand what some people are saying about how amazing the new technologies are. But I think there are a lot of people like myself out there who focus on the very essential things:
- It has to effortlessly make phone calls.
- It has to effortlessly allow me to get through a properly typed email or text.
- It has to be functional through more than a touch screen because psychologically the tactile experience of a button provides you with a subconscious comfort level if you're used to it.
I LOVE tech. I'm a TOTAL tech guy and need to know everything that's out there and follow it's r&d, but i can't have a phone that only has touch. And I don't think it will ever be a perfect enough technology to replace the physical button experience. I think what we're seeing now is a trend. It won't die, but it won't ever completely dominate. Touch screen typing tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist and for that reason, as a business model, most business people will tell you that it won't ever find a large enough market. The population is getting older, and that market segment prefers something they can use with ease. I'm sure some older people like the touch experience, but not enough of them will in the future unless some revolutionary technology appears that makes touch typing as flawless as a keyboard where the only error is human error.
Just my opinion. I tried to say "I think" as much as possible.

well said. I think that you should check out the swype keyboard though. it works Very well and is extremely accurate.

th3stinger said:
Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.
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I agree! Im upgrading from my att fuze today just to get the bigger screen and bigger hardware keyboard since i dont have woman fingers for this tiny fuze keyboard!
Now if HD2 had a tilt screen and hardware keyboard, all other phones would be out of service! Since it doesnt and wont, it leaves a large playing field for other devices. anyways, by the time wm7 is even usuable, im sure there will be a tp3 by then for it!

I'm only speaking from my personal experience here. I RARELY use the keyboard on my TP2. I thought I would use it a LOT more than I have, but the on screen keyboards, especially Swype, are big enough to get 99% of the text input in that I do on a day to day basis. I'm 90% sure my next device will be sans keyboard. Will be the first one I've ever owned, so I'll be sure to voice my opinion then.