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My Review of the Nokia HS-12W A2DP BT Headset

It's pretty good,
My first concern was that the sound quality was going to be rubbish, like when you listen to music with a mono BT headset, something I never did because aswell as being mono it also cut all of the clarity from the music ! fortunatly I can report the music makes it through in hi quality sound
My second concern was that the audio player was not going to work properly fortunatly although not perfect it's working quite well !! most notably the track listing is not showing in the screen, the biggest down side is that it stutters a bit from time to time, not so much that you want to throw it aginst a wall, but enough to be mildly irritating (seems to be linked to a bit rate issue) . also rewind and FF do not work with the universal, but next/previous track does, as does pause and auto pause on phone ring. I am a bit dissapointed that nokia did not include any kind of equalizer settings I personally would like some more bass.
The phone side is quite impressive I like the ability to quickly redial the last number or voice dial however due to the same limitations as the audio player it is currently not displaying peoples names only their number !! otherwise works quite well.
The FM RDS radio is a nice addition, it works well considering the aerial is the strap around your neck
my biggest overall gripe (ie wont be fixed by a firmware upgrade) is the shape of the earpieces, for a company that have been making headsets for this long these are awfull, it's like wedging big uncomfortable lugs in your ears, the real jasjar earpieces are way more comfy (and have better bass response)
So far only tested with media player as reports would indicate that for now A2DP only works with media player

Re: My Review of the Nokis HS-12W A2DP BT Headset
ice_coffee said:
I am a bit dissapointed that nokia did not include any kind of equalizer settings I personally would like some more bass.
So far only tested with media player as reports would indicate that for now A2DP only works with media player
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Once the Pocket Music and Pocket Player people get on top of it, you can have remote control with their programs, as both offer equaliser/preamp.
Both are working on it.

Cool I look forward to it !!!
I have got to the bottom of my stuttering !! it is nothing more than signal strength, but I dont see why it is happening !! its hard to explain but the signal is not as robust as when you are just using it for phone calls. it claims 10 Meters and its true that in an open area with devices able to see each other both phone call and music will just about manage 10M however if you put an obstacle in the way (like a door) , where as the phone would continue to work the music player will not !! infact for 100% reliable music you are looking at 1 meter (open air) , and half that again if your phone is buried deep in your pocket.

check my review here:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/forumthread.asp?code=121010&thread=2

Guys whats your range like, i get no more than a meter away from my phone and the sound drops out, also have a hiss in the background that is really annoying at low volumes any thoughts ???

I did mention the whole 1 meter thing in my second post !!! I can't hear any hiss ( none loud enough to degrade the music anyway !!) tested with my Exec at full volume and media player also at full volume but the headset at minimum volume, ( thus giving the headset the best signal to noise ratio to play with )

ice_coffee said:
It's pretty good,
My first concern was that the sound quality was going to be rubbish, like when you listen to music with a mono BT headset, something I never did because aswell as being mono it also cut all of the clarity from the music ! fortunatly I can report the music makes it through in hi quality sound
My second concern was that the audio player was not going to work properly fortunatly although not perfect it's working quite well !! most notably the track listing is not showing in the screen, the biggest down side is that it stutters a bit from time to time, not so much that you want to throw it aginst a wall, but enough to be mildly irritating (seems to be linked to a bit rate issue) . also rewind and FF do not work with the universal, but next/previous track does, as does pause and auto pause on phone ring. I am a bit dissapointed that nokia did not include any kind of equalizer settings I personally would like some more bass.
The phone side is quite impressive I like the ability to quickly redial the last number or voice dial however due to the same limitations as the audio player it is currently not displaying peoples names only their number !! otherwise works quite well.
The FM RDS radio is a nice addition, it works well considering the aerial is the strap around your neck
my biggest overall gripe (ie wont be fixed by a firmware upgrade) is the shape of the earpieces, for a company that have been making headsets for this long these are awfull, it's like wedging big uncomfortable lugs in your ears, the real jasjar earpieces are way more comfy (and have better bass response)
So far only tested with media player as reports would indicate that for now A2DP only works with media player
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Please tell me one thing: I've seen the unwired.net review state that the headset can connect simultaneously to a headset profile and A2DP profile, but only if coming from the same device, meaning that you cannot have A2DP coming from your PDA and Headset coming from your phone. Is this true? The guy said it was a preproduction model and firmware can be changed, so could you please tell me if this is in your model too?

Yes, this is true. It can only connect with one device at the same time.

roma said:
Yes, this is true. It can only connect with one device at the same time.
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That means this device is crippled, as it is very common for one to have music on one device and use another as a phone...
Do you know of any other product that offers the same opportunities in a similar form factor desides this one? I've found this one from Sony Ericsson http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...der&php=php1_10394&zone=pp&lm=pp4_1&pid=10394 but it does not have radio.

I'm looking for something very close with this Nokia headset. Only one thing left, that I think very important. I want to be able to unplug the earphones from the unit. This is important, so that when we get to the airplane, we can unplug it and still use the same earphones connected directly to the Uni without the BT on.
Secondly, it will enable the unit to be plugged into Car Audio AUX input.
I have saw a couple of headsets that have this feature, from GlobalSat, and from itech. But both do not have caller ID screen.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/item.asp?itemid=98
In short, I want something like this Nokia, but detachable earphones like the Globalsat or itech.

I'll probably be getting this as well very soon. Just one thing, has anyone tried it with wizard and if so, what was it like?

Anyone know where to get one in the US? All links found so far are sellers in the UK.

im sure expansys US are selling it !!
Since my review I have tried it with a nokia phone and it performs better, the issue with signal strength from 50CM or less through you body has been improved. The main problem might be the positioning of the BT chip in the UNI, this may never be fully resolved !!! unless someone can hack the UNI firmware to tell the BT chip to broadcast with more power than it should.

ice_coffee said:
im sure expansys US are selling it !!
Since my review I have tried it with a nokia phone and it performs better, the issue with signal strength from 50CM or less through you body has been improved. The main problem might be the positioning of the BT chip in the UNI, this may never be fully resolved !!! unless someone can hack the UNI firmware to tell the BT chip to broadcast with more power than it should.
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Thanks, i will look at their site.

I bought the Nokia a few weeks ago but havent really tested until today. After reflashing the rom on my BA and installing the A2DP cab it works very well. Range is good with line of sight and the controls work ok. Only thing is an occasonal sound dropout of under a second, which has already been mentioned. Not enough to be a problem so far. Sound could use a bit more bass but that can be solved with a player that has an eq. Overall im happy with the Nokia.

I've had this headset for a week and am very pleased with it. Before this one I had the bluetake i-phono mini 450rx and they weren't half as good. This headset connects quikly, plays music with good sound, the radio is good with the programming of the radio stations literally being a minutes work. And most importantly, I can have a decent conversation with someone without problems. I experience stuttering ebery once in a while. But as commented above the range isn't great, but it's good enough to live with. The only downside at the moment is that I have to use windows media player that needs the playlist to be set up every time and the remote control doesn't work after a while of listening to music or after using other apps. I hope that this is a software issue. Before I had my mda I always had nokia phones because they were the best developed in their music functions. This headset strikes me as being the same good technology combined with A2DP. So in the whole I am very happy with this headset. I don't mind the earphones, I think they're comfy (far better than the original mda pro headset which gave bad sound and wasn't stable or comfy), everybody their own preferences. If I had to go for an alternative to this headset, I would go for the sony ericsson HBH DS970, but I didn't have the patience to wait for it and it doesn't have a radio built in. The only downside to choosing the universal was that it doesn't have a radio (something I've had in my nokia's for a while). Now my universal it complete and I am one proud universal owner!

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you can use the pocketmusic.You have to buy it but it works fine with the HS-12W. All the AVRCP commands works.
The HS-12W its really great. The only downside its that the universal dont use all of his functions. No ID caller, no play list in display, no message alert.
I belive that there is a software problem. I hope someone finds the solution.
But dont getr me wrong: the HS-12W is great.

I wouldnt say the HS-12W was great at all
my review:-
*sounds quality is good, but you can't unplug and plug in your own headphones.
*completely unergonomic design, Nokia should take a lesson from Sony on ergonomic remote designs, each button should 'feel' different. Each time I want to do something on the nOkia I have to actually look at it.
* it's pretty ugly, anyway no where near as nice as the HBH-DS970 (or whatver it's called ) the sony ericson one.
but as far as the basic connection, streaming that all works very well.
all just my humble opinion so take with pinch of salt

Here is a link to a user review of the sony ericsson headset http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=7463154#post7463154
I personally prefer the Nokia as it has a radio and the construction is solid. Also no problems resuming music after a call.

Everybody his own opinion, it all depends on what you want from a headset.
In any case I'm happy with this headset but agree that the headset has more possibilities than the universal uses, maybe in time there will be an update or something. But untill that time it works fine.
About pocket music, I'm not sure it works so great. I downloaded the trial version and tested it with some music, but the remote control didn't respond. Maybe I should try it again. I want to be sure the software is worth it for me before I buy it.

Jabra BT8010. I LOVE IT and Customer Service is GREAT!

I purchased a Jabra BT8010 to use with my Cingular 8525/Hermes 100.
Anyways I wanted exceptional sound and a better form factor than the large Moto HT820.
I wasn't disappointed.
I love them. Now to be honest the headset only works with WM6 on the Hermes. Apparently the Bluetooth Stack for the Hermes WM5 sucks wind.
The BT8010 connects flawlessly no need to fight like with the Moto HT820.
The sound is EXCELLENT!
They aren't heavy and since they don't have the donut sized ear pads it is comortable to wear.
Customer service is the best. I lost an ear hook/ear loop I emailed and then called them on Monday and I had thee replacement ear hooks/ear loops by Thursday.
If you haven't tried them and you need a BT stereo headset please give them a try. I love it!

Does the Jabra have a mini usb charging connection or are they still using that proprietary charger connection BS?
Has anyone tried tried the new Motorola S9 BT stereo sports headset? It looks awesome.

rambo6 said:
Does the Jabra have a mini usb charging connection or are they still using that proprietary charger connection BS?
Has anyone tried tried the new Motorola S9 BT stereo sports headset? It looks awesome.
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They still use the proprietary one. I don't care though cuz the sound is AMAZING. I've had tons of moto headsets (including A2DP) but they always fail to deliver. The HT820 was way to big and uncomfortable to wear.

the motorola S9 is great. ive had jabra stuff and never been impressed. they are lightweight sounds great you can run with them on they don't fall off. I haven't tried the new jabra yet but from their website it seems like they fit like a regular mono headset and that just wouldn't work in the gym. I believe for what i do the S9s are better.

Donsaxena:
Thanks. I think I'll give the S9 a try.

Jabra BT8010 w/MS Voice Command
on my old Jabra BT800 I was able to press a button to initiate the MS Voice Command. Now that I've upgraded to the BT8010 I cant figure out how to do it. Any suggestions?

Jabra
I had the Moto headset for all of about 2 days before I returned it for the Jabra. The Moto was uncomfortable to me and not very flexable. The Jabra is much better and when you don't want the second earpiece you can just unplug it and put in the case.

nhasian said:
on my old Jabra BT800 I was able to press a button to initiate the MS Voice Command. Now that I've upgraded to the BT8010 I cant figure out how to do it. Any suggestions?
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you can still do that but first you have to push the button close to the mic pic up then the main button on the jog dial.

I'm kinda disappointed buying this because this headset wouldn't work perfectly on my Dopod 818Pro (Prophet).
The headset is excellent when talking to another party on the phone. The sound is loud and clear but when it comes to listening a music. It would distort and crackles after about 20 - 30 seconds and the sound would disappear. It's like it's losing its BT connection or something.
To solve this issue, I have to turn off the BT8010 and turn it on again and the sound would go for another 20 - 30 seconds
I have tried with WMP, Mortplayer, TCPMP and they are all the same. Mortplayer would last longer but still distorts and disappears.
I have done all the registry fix for A2DP for Prophet and none helps. I'm pretty happy with the headset but not for the use of listening to music.
So I keep the other half of the headset in my drawer.

Git it today from Fry's local store for $99, price is good until 6/26
Pros:
1 very good sound quality and volume (compared to Moto HT820) for calls and music play
2 Size and design
3 LCD display
Cons:
1 No rewind function for music
2 doesn't fit my ear very well, kinda loose and unconfortable

bankir said:
I'm kinda disappointed buying this because this headset wouldn't work perfectly on my Dopod 818Pro (Prophet).
The headset is excellent when talking to another party on the phone. The sound is loud and clear but when it comes to listening a music. It would distort and crackles after about 20 - 30 seconds and the sound would disappear. It's like it's losing its BT connection or something.
To solve this issue, I have to turn off the BT8010 and turn it on again and the sound would go for another 20 - 30 seconds
I have tried with WMP, Mortplayer, TCPMP and they are all the same. Mortplayer would last longer but still distorts and disappears.
I have done all the registry fix for A2DP for Prophet and none helps. I'm pretty happy with the headset but not for the use of listening to music.
So I keep the other half of the headset in my drawer.
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It's fixed, I'm so happy
For those who have BT8010. Don't use Jazz Equalizer because you'll find that you'll have the same problem I had.
I think this is a bug, can anyone else confirm?
I have no problem when using Normal / Rock but Jazz will create a distortion after 29 seconds (using WMP).

MAN this sucks, i got a jabra bt320s and it doesnt even present itself as an a2dp device to my hermes.....anybody know of anything similar??

What headset?

What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)

darthbane2k said:
What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)
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Had it two days - Sony DR-BT10CX Bluetooth stereo/handsfree - great for running and excellent sound quality for both calls and music.
Cheap too!
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/memory/Sony/DR-BT10CX/Bluetooth/Stereo/Headphones

That looks great.
Unfortunately I have already a great headset... with 3.5mm connector.
Is there any MiniUSB-to-3.5mm-adapter?
Thanks

Here
http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=149937

Yes, but this is without microphone. Just for listening music.

fenderbender said:
Yes, but this is without microphone. Just for listening music.
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Doesnt have a button but it has a mic
http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=149936

Thanks, but the description says:
Description
Use this adaptor to convert the HTC Touch extUSB socket to support any 3.5mm stereo headphones. The adaptor also has a hangup/answer button for normal voice calls through a stereo headset.
So I think it has a button
Thats great

Jawbone headset is amazing
I have ordered one of these after hearing from many people just how good these are. I got mine from Expansys.co.uk
http://www.jawbone.com/meet.html?utm_source=site&utm_medium=promo_demo
All the best,
Sam.

PianoSam said:
I have ordered one of these after hearing from many people just how good these are. I got mine from Expansys.co.uk
http://www.jawbone.com/meet.html?utm_source=site&utm_medium=promo_demo
All the best,
Sam.
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Man, those things look/sound badass...I might have to pick one of those up - I don't really have a quiet car, and I LOVE driving with the windows down! Hefty price tag on eBay though - pay to play though, right?

If you are looking at the DR-BT10CX, I suggest you get the DR-BT20NX instead because it got a remote for music - same earbuds and receiver essentially.

darthbane2k said:
What headset are you all using with your HC Touch?
Let us know what audio quality is like for handsfree phone function and listening to music/MP3s. Please also share your experiences in using the included HTC headset (which I think is appalling)
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The HTC headset works fine for calling and music. For use in the car I have a jabra BT5020 and quality is good, auto-pair ofcourse.

I'm thinking of DIY-ing the usb to 3.5mm audio jack, does anyone have any idea how the usb connectors corresponed to the audio outputs? thanks!

Been shopping around now, since I saw that Jawbone...but I'm wondering...
Is there a Stereo Bluetooth headset with noise-canceling technology out there that anyone knows of???
I've been searching, but to no avail.

Motorola S9 for Stereo and Plantronics 665 for phone
If I am not listening to music I use the Plantronics 665. If I want to listen to music and take calls I use the Motorola S9 stereo BT headphones. The S9 is amazing for quality and fit. Don't let the strange (to some people) design fool you. These are high quality headphones. I have compared these to the Motorola 805s (DJ style) and HT820 (behind the head) and expected the S9 not to sound as good - not true. All 3 Motorola headsets sound great, but for the size the S9 sounds overall just as good if not better. I didn't like the sound of the Jabra BT headphones and the Plantronics over the head (590A) headset sounded good, but not as good as the S9.
By the way I tested a Jawbone and was not impressed at all. Didn't like the fit, sound was only OK and if you need the noise cancellation you have to press a button on the unit for 3 seconds to turn it on - each time. Certainly this is good technology, but for me the Plantronics 665 fits better and over all sounds much better.

I am using a Jabra BT620s for music and calls. Sound quality is very good. Nice fit, good battery performance and fits nicely on my head It has blue leds on both sides that blink when in use, its a bit weird at first but once you get past the oooohs and aaaahs from everyone its great
Has controls aswell (next, previous, volume up/down, accept call/hang up, play/pause) The accept/hangup key has the extra function when not in a call, it activates the voice command program so you can talk commands to your phone

has anyone tried SE HBH-DS970 with this ? comments ?
thx

sorry this is a double post

Anyone tested the HTC Touch E100 or W100 Wired Remote Control?
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=147565
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=150194
-Does it work on the Touch?
-Does it work with HTC Audio Manager?
-Does the FM Radio works?
What's the difference between E100 & W100 model?
Regards,
tigabert

I have a Nokia CK-7W buildin carkit in my car (company carkit) which also had bluetooth. Unfortunatly this bluetooth connection gives alot of problems when calling.
I can hear people fine but they hear constant break-ups in the connection. I tried it with a Sony bluetooth headset and everything worked fine.
So dont use the touch combined with a Nokia CK-7W

I'm using the Sony BT20NX and theyre absolutely the best. High quality stereo audio with AVRCP (?) remote profile which works with Windows Media Player, Audio Manager, and TCPMP. The headset is comfortable to wear, blocks outside sound so you can enjoy music at a low volume. The sound is clear and the connection is solid. The buttons are easy to use and I use it for MS Voice Command too, which is awesome. Perfect headset, if you can still find them (I heard theyre discontinued).

bluetooth stereo headset

Hi,
I am looking for a bluetooth stereo headset that supports A2DP, has CLI and works fine (compatible) with Artemis ( p3300).
The SE hbh-ds980 fits my bill, but I am facing problems with it( mic vol. on headset too low; opp. party can barely hear me). The other two headsets i found so far are SE hbh-ds970 and Nokia hs-12w. Is any1 here using the above mentioned headsets with no problem?
Thanks in advance!~

Hi,
I`m using a Jabra BT620 A2DP headset on my MDA Compact III, works fine!

thanks for the suggestion emiletelkamp...Any more inputs?
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I use the Nokia HS-12W which has fairly good quality audio, but seems to need the PDA to be very close to it to work without skipping.
I usually clip the "body" of the HS-12W to the front of my shirt then put my Artemis (running WM6) in my shirt pocket - Works like a charm that way!
It doesn't natively support CLI, but I believe JetwareMobile can enable this, but I haven't tried it.

I've looked around and there are a few good stereo (earbud) headsets on the market. I also wanted to use my psp through bluetooth also(with the aid of the Ever-E A377 dongle).
My search narrowed down to:
Jabra BT320
Sony HBH DS970 or the 980
The Sony's seem to be the best two alternatives, and have had good reviews.
I'm probably going to go with the 970 as i wouldn't mind being able to control my music from both devices via AVRCP.
I'll get it at the end of the month and see how i do.

DS980 is a lot better than 970, so it does worth the money diffrence.

I couldn't see any features on the 980 that were better, i just put it down to one being silver and one being black.
I'll do some more research.
Cheers!

It's battery lasts 4-5 hours, wich is one hour longer than the battery life of ds970. It has a better and faster software. You can acces your call register(and the phone book also but i couldn't get it work yet).

Sorry to get slightly off topic but I have just bought a Jabra BT320 after reading this and other posts and cant seem to get the stereo (music) to work.
It just plays through the phone speaker, not the headphones, but the handsfree side of it seems to work.
Can anyone help me with this one please?

nezz said:
It's battery lasts 4-5 hours, wich is one hour longer than the battery life of ds970. It has a better and faster software. You can acces your call register(and the phone book also but i couldn't get it work yet).
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Its an nice one just bought it. Didn't get the phonebook to work either have you found a solution yet?
By the way how did you get the track playing in your display?

Motorola H820s
They're around 15UKP on Amazon, they sound great, they charge off USB and the battery lasts for ever, and they have AVRC buttons too. Work great with my Wizard, Artemis, Macbook Pro under Leopard, Belkin Tunestage, etc etc - can pair to 8 different devices too.

ds980
The ds980 works like a charm.
To bad the microsoft bluetooth stack is rubbish so don't expect the track titles and phonebook to show up.
Call history and caller id work!
After some research I found out track titles aren't showing due the lack of the latest Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP) version in our phone.
The phonebook only works if Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP) is installed on our phones...
Now lets hope there is some wizzard who can help us with this.

BlueAnt blutooth stereo headset

I just bought the Blue Ant Blutooth head set for my Wing and It sounded like CRAP untill I did some registry hacks to clean up the sound .Thanks to Hardcore & Sleuth255.
The headset themselves are comfortable but still not nearly as loud and clear as the stockers.They reach far and when a call comes in I
can hear the other caller in stereo..nice
One major problem is when you turn off the headset or phone u have to re pair them EVERY time..that sucks
on a 1 to 5 I give them a 3 for $80.00 they could be better.

Why do you have to re-pair them? I use them with my Tilt and don't have to. Must be something with the stack. The hands-free reconnects automatically when I turn them on but for A2DP I have to used A2DP toggle. I bought them from eCost for $24 because they didn't have the retail packaging.

what is the model of the bliant

blueant sorry

ok I couldnt take it anymore so I returned the blueant and got the mot0rola s9, these are HOT !!!!
Smaller,lighter & they connect instantly, and the sound is a 1000 times better for the same price ,the only difference was when I recieved a call with the Blue Ant it was in stereo and with the s9 its in mono.
I have the wing phone.

I hear the skips with both headsets,and Is it me or does anybody else hear the music speed up after the skip??wtf?