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Upgrade to WM5.0, Reassurence needed! N00b!

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Hi folks,
I was interested in upgrading to WM5.0 from WM2003 on my SPV M2000 (=XDA 2???I'm told it's a blue angel...). However since I've come here i've got the impression that it could be riddled with problems. I'm a total n00b and I've been overwhelmed with different ROM versions and fixes....I wondered if you folks could help me a bit.
Is it worthwhile to upgrade? What has your experience been?
Will old WM2003 programs work on WM5.0 (I have loads of them)
Are there any bugs I should know about or will everything run smooth?
What are the disadvantages?
How do I go about upgrading? I upgraded my ROM once before using an update released by Orange. But the .exe file did it all for me. All I had to do was connect the device via the cradle and click next (pretty much).
Cheers folks! Much appreciated.
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SPVM2000owner
6 posts since Mar '06
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:03
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PS - is this the correct forum? (I'm guessing SPVM2000 is a hymalaya)
PPS - sorry if some of these questions have come up before. I'm sure a few of them must - I checked as best I could but I'm a total n00b and I'm dyslexic which doesn't make post plodding easy.
Thanks again!

help please! Some of you guys must have some ideas or thoughts that might help me!

Like you I also have an SPV M2000 (yes it is also known as the Blue Angel), and I am still running WM2003, I have done a few ROM upgrades etc so have a very basic understanding but even so am still holding back on upgrading to WM5, my main reason is that my phone is for work, and so need it to be reliable. saying that it sounds like that they have done some fantastic work porting WM5 onto the Blue Angel and one day I look forward to running it (which may be very soon).
Sounds like to me though before making your decision you should read this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27614
And this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42632
And I REALLY hope you have read the Wiki page which is here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM5_Home
As with any upgrade there is a chance you will turn your device into a brick, so you need to read thorugh all the previous posts, there is a search tool to allow you to search the forum (USE IT!), I am sure people here would love to help you but have a bit of respect and search the forum first, I expect every question you could think of has been answered before.
Somewhere there is a list of software that has been tested on WM5, cant be bothered to search for it, but I have seen a post on the forum somewhere!
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Sorry didn't read the bottom part of you post, that will teach me!! Hope the links I have given you get you started though!!!

Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.

starik said:
Dont bother with WM2005 yet. I tried it a month ago and found little glitches. Overall it was good, but eyecandy doesnt justify the upgrade. Speedwise it's the same.
Also, there's still not as many WM5 programs, as there are for WM2003. Old progs may have issues with WM5. For me that's reason enough to stick with WM2003, since I need stability.
If you hard reset your phone, install only progs that you really need AND use, you'll be amazed how quick and stable it'll be. Yes, BT and WiFi are flaky, but that happens right across the board on all OSes/ROMs.
PS. Avoid any crap that goes onto Today screen.
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I agree! It's just to damn buggy.

Is there any stable bugfree software for 8525?

Almost everyone I see on here has some sort of a problem with their phone. White screen, wifi not working, menus not showing up and god knows what else. Is there any ROM/upgrade/software that will make this phone stable?

mine runs perfectly fine, if you are unhappy with the current wm6 selections you can always fall back on the original cingular wm5 rom...

The very nature of the 8525, and the people on this forum, is FOR FUN!
The phone is highly cusomizable, and therein lies the instability.
Stick with stock and it will run fine!

only thing that really bothers me on custel rom is the IE getting stuck and not loading any pages. Requiring soft reset other then that so far so good!

reading threads and all the issues people have im wondering what they do to make it happen.
Ive had my phone for 6 months, flashed lots of different ROMS including WM5 and WM6 and i havent had any issues that i cant fix.

Software is wrote by humans so the quick and easy answer is .. no. There will never be a stable software that will work 100% on 100% of the phones. If you use Windows then your an unpaid beta tester for Microsoft. Think of this forum as a Microsoft forum for collecting all the issues and fixes for this software as a collaboration of every forum member. Just replace the Microsoft with HTC and that is more like it.

Stable and bug-free software? You are implying that people do their job and also test software? LOL, you should be a comedian. Look how well RIM tested their software last week (took down much of the Blackberry network).
that being said, what kinds of software are you looking for? Music/Video players? Text messaging apps? Office apps? Games?

I'm shocked at a question like this from someone with 6 whole posts. Ok, lesson in sarcasm over.
Look, you read a little and saw that with every new ROM there are problems. Read a little more and you usually find the fix to that very problem. If you yourself run into a problem, then you post and state what kinda problem you're having with what, then everyone else can help you. *sigh* This forum isn't a place where somethings released and all the angels and cherubs sing with praise. You have to have the patience and drive to know you're gonna run into problems from the get-go, but decide to stick around and work through them. Good luck in your quest to find the holy grail of apps though.

well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway

jarnism said:
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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Re-flashing a new ROM wont fix anything. Have you read anything here? It's not offensive, and you're not offending anyone, but the whole process of flashing a ROM and seeing what works and what doesn't is what happens when you decide to do this. Each person here that's flashed a new ROM has thier own preferences as to what they want installed with it. Some apps are buggy, some aren't. If two people with identical phones flash identical new ROM's, they still might have totally different problems stemming from issues caused by what radio version they decided to try, what apps they installed or didn't install, whether they found the CAB that fixes a known problem or not. When I flashed my 8525 I went with Black 1.2 and still use it. Why? It's fast as hell, and over the weeks following the initial flash I found all the fixes to any problems I had incurred. Now my phone is sweet...to me. I'm happy. It wasn't a one day fix-all. Takes time to get it as near perfect as possible. Still freezes when I wanna run WAD on it, but oh well. It's something I know will happen when I use it. No biggie.
You need to be patient, and if you can't then this place isn't for you. You might be happier with the stock ROM that comes with your phone. It'll be less of a headache for yourself. Good luck in whatever you decide. I hope you decide to read more and work through the bugs. IMO I think you'll be happier in the end.

jarnism said:
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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If you wish to have the most stable device possible your probably best off to download the latest Cingular ROM (which is WM5), ALL the WM6 roms here are developed by the community (obviously the chefs do the real hard work but the feedback from us users helps develop them) and such are improving ALL the time. Firstly since you are not up to date with your version of Black, upgrade to the latest one...also make sure you upgrade the SPL,IPL and Radio...these can contribute to stability.
How to upgrade to Black 2.5, IPL 1.04, SPL 2.10.olipro, Radio 1.41.00.10.
IF you are still not convinced then I would downgrade to WM5.

jarnism said:
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long.
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isn't this the whole point of this forum and the wikis??
i'm not experienced as those other guys, but i'm pretty sure i've learned enough in the last 2 months to not have to sit here all day debugging, the only reason i spend 2 hours is b/c there's always better roms coming out and then u gotta customize your phone again...

Finally Usable
Have you even tried ANY WM6 ROM from this forum in comparison to the original WM5 Cingular 8525 ROM? My 8525 was nearly unusable. It locked up constantly. It had the sleep of death constantly. It was horrible! I decided to flash it with a WM6 ROM for the hell of it, and suddenly it was a useful device again. I have tried several ROMs on this forum, and all were better than the original, and all required some tweaking to work how I like it. The current big three, Black 2.5, LVSW, and CUSTEL, are all infinitely more usable out of the gate than that POS WM5 version ever was. If you want a trouble free phone, get a plain jane phone that does nothing but make phone calls. If you want a useable Hermes device, flash it with any one of these ROMS.

okay
I installed windows xp back on my pc which made things a little easier. I think my phones finaly working in order without any suprises.

overwhelmed

hi,
i recently got a xda trion and it's my 1st ppc. since i'm quite experienced with PCs i thought it would take me probably two days to get my device in a state that makes me happy. well,.... far from it ; )
i am completely overwhelmed at the moment and the worst thing is.... everywhere i go i notice that i lack the basic knowledge to join the conversation. since i get personally quite easy annoyed by rtfm-newbie questions i am in a starnge situation right now. i know that if i'd bite the bullet and read and work through everything related i will pretty soon master most of the required skills. i just really don't have that kind of sparetime at the moment. so maybe someone can give me a little shortcut and point me to the right places.
1st, i basically need a good foundation. until yesterday i havent heard anything about kitchens, romcooking and all that. is there a place where the basics are explained for dummies?
and now my actual problem. my device came with a german WM5 by O2. and it's causing already some problems. (paths not found by skinning application etc.) since my PC OS is also english I'd like to change it on my PPC. So I want to make a exact backup of my devices OS in case of some warranty issue and then install a english OS. one thing i dont know at all... does O2 usually try to prevent such action. for example by including some essential files which do not come with a clena install, but are required to use the phone with O2 as a carrier. I hope that was not too confusiong.
so... i would be very happy if someone could point me into the right directions, so that my waste of time by looking in the wrong places stays to a minimum.... and maybe letting me know about any problems that i might naturally run into when trying the above mentioned : )
thanks alot for your time
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ummmm... one more thing. i spent hours yesterday to find some information on how to record phoneconversations. i cannot believe that there is really no way to do that with such a device. anyhow... the info i found was quite scattered and some of it seemed dated. what is the current status on this?
EDIT2:
aaargh... : ) why didn't i see this earlier. I guess most of my questions will be answered in the WIKI !!! Well, I was only checking out the FAQ which was kinda thin that's why I asked here : )thnanks
thanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355

How did we solve the SDHC mystery?

I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?

I second that !

I'd love to know, as HTC told me that it was a hardware issue. Maybe their way of trying to persuade us to update to a newer phone?
Thanks for the hard work guys. Haven't updated yet as can't afford an HC card.

extremely interesting question that i would also like the answer to.

Hi,
Question not thee, for thy shall not receive the answer thy seek.
Just say God bless the great BEPE. He's opened new doors for our devices and now there is a hive of activity all over, because we have this great ROM and SDHC driver - something that had evaded this great Forum for a very long time, despite several efforts.
Long live XDA Developers, long live all the other heroes in this Forum. You know who you are.
Something that I don't quite understand though - the great Bepe has taken a back seat and nobody hears of him anymore since he released his unique ROM. I guess he's cooking something else. I just hope that Microsoft or similar hasn't snapped him up.
THANK YOU GREAT BEPE. DANKA, DANKA, DANKA FOR THE SDHC.
Kiwi992.

Of course we thank BEBE very much for all the nice job done. No questions about that, at all.
But, still, I am also curious about how the stuff worked out.

Maybe
alfiejts said:
I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...c1-f0f4-4fd6-9366-b61e0ab59565&DisplayLang=en

As simple as that? A new release from Microsoft of WM6....
If it was that I'm slightly deflated that it wasn't down to some ROM cooker mastery......
But then the update did only come out on 11th October, so the timing is right and also that would explain why HTC failed to get SDHC working in their official WM6 ROM, as that came out before this general upgrade was available.....

hacking wm 6 pro (or 6.1) on to ipaq 210/211 series

a real life friend of mine and i are serious about getting one of these units into the right hands to unlock/hack/make-a-kitchen. i dont know who is capable/trustworthy and/or where to start. so help me out here, who should i talk to?
I had a good experience with this back in the day with the familiar linux project on a 3970 ipaq (shipped one to someone in the UK who hacked it pretty quick) so i wanna try the same thing with the 211.
thanks!

I see no reason to try to hack WM6 pro when the classic version is the same, minus the phone support. As for WM6.1, most of the changes are meant for pocket pc phones, but it's worth a try.

#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!

blaczero said:
#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!
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Very Funny blaczero, but your number #5 is always #1. Restated as...
1. Because it's there!

[email protected]
ill send some PM's about this.

Any news?

Still nothing?

my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"

sliders7 said:
my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"
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still nothing, eh?

come on come on people....

Makes me wish I knew a little so I can cook something on my own. This PDA is a powerhouse monster than is bogged down by crappy software design.

so, anyone interested?

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Hey dudes, some news-
I regularly monitor over a dozen threads and boards concerning this issue, and here's the CURRENT STATUS of this project-
No developments have been made.
We can put linux on the SD card, and boot from that... but other than that, HP has made it nearly impossible for us to do ANYTHING to the original ROM that's in there. Granted, it's a POS, especially considering all the god aweful processes that HP has running in the background. I was this changed as much as anyone. No I saw earlier on that someone is willing to have their device worked on/submitted for experimentation. If this is true, then that's a big plus... I'll give a link in a sec showing where you can go to discuss that. There are a number of people working on this issue, but sadly, none of them are on here really... XDA is not the place to go for PDA support. Granted, almost anyone can get their questions answered, but no one on here is working on this problem to my knowledge.
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=265547&page=5
This thread is based on a false alarm that someone had for making a 6.1 ROM, but we're continuing the search here, and to my knowledge is one of the only regularly active threads concerning this. We have made some developments, but nothing concrete yet... HP's a ***** with this PDA.
If anyone has any other links to share, do so... I need all the information I can get on this, as I'm sure alot of you do. If anyone even reads this, then good- I'll know my little speech here wasn't all wasted.
Noxem Computers, ottoman96

If you re-navigate over to Brighthand, there has since been a few big steps in the right direction for new ROMs. The 210/2xx forum has a few threads with some good progress. Anyone interested or thinking they can lend some expertise should head over there. Peace.
Dave