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Hello everyone,
I have a little suggestion to make. I think it is time to call for a "Porting Android" forum.
As I'm sure many of you are aware, there are frequent Android porting threads started all over the forum in each specific category. However a lot of our beloved deviced are based on pretty much the same hardware. Therefore, at least for me as a non programmer, it seems to make sense to try to increase collaboration between the different deviced. I am fully aware the is an IRC channel where all the developers hang out, but I think xda-developers deserves an own forum non the less, where device independent developments could be discussed and all the device specific threads could be bundled. General FAQs as how to run Android could be made sticky to avoid duplicate discussions and increase productivity. Also, maybe some of the noob questions of "when is it done" would stop once the threads are moved out of the device specific rom subforums and people would see that there is actually some development going on, even though it might be for another but similar device.
Now you can go ahead and rip my idea apart.
It would make more sense, as I have stated in the ... blackstone forum? i think? i cant keep track now, they are all basically the same, which is why I say this is a good idea instead of 15k of posts to read through, it would be 15k of more easily searchable threads.
Hi there,
I think it could be a good idea to put "all in one" forum and/or Wiki.
It would be easier for devs and noobs to find infos
I think that, if executed properly, a porting Linux/android section for each device would be very worthwhile.
There could be sticky at the top, with a simple How-to, a comprehensive FAQ, and the latest versions, and then different threads for people to collaborate and work on different features (Android Market, Cellular data/voice, hardware support, etc.). Then, there could be some kind of Questions and Answers thread, for more specific problems/questions.
Dave
The only reason I voted against this idea is because Android Porting is different with each hardware and needs to be specific to that hardware. (It comes down to drivers)
For example, I had Android working on my mogul with phone calls, messaging, net access, etc. That's not the case with my touch pro. Though Android installs on TP, none of the uses of a phone are possible yet.
To combine all potential exceptions under one location might be too cumbersome, especially considering the number of devices Android is sought out to work on.
my $0.02.
I think it would be a good idea if each phone had its own section for porting android, kinda how there is a rom development section for phones
The idea behind the thread was to create a single forum for all the android porting going on here to combine the knowledge of people working on different devices running similar hardware.
There are barely 1 or 2 threads about android for every device. Having a dedicated android section for every device would therefore be an overkill.
Hello,
when I first came to xda-developers.com I was searching for a guide on how flashing cyanogenmod on my second device that I like to use for learning android app development. My experience was one of the most painful on the internet since I was 14 (now I'm 29).
1) Using a forum instead of a wiki for providing information to the user is confusing. It's ok for troubleshooting, if someone has particular problems, or for discussions, but for presenting contents like guides etc. is imho stupid. If each forum has its administrators, they could simply copy-paste the relevant sticky posts to the wiki, and the community will do the rest of the job by updating and refactoring the guides. The outcome will be thousand times better.
2) The guides are often written so bad, that one looses all hopes to fix a problem easely or quickly, and I really mean because of how they are written: coloured text, different text sizes, so much blank lines, and always the same f.......g disclaimer! Ok!! it's clear!! my warranty is void!! you don't have to tell it me each time I read a new topic! and even if you don't write that stuff, you aren't legally responsible for damages. I bet that's true in any country of the world! Communication shall be concise, clear, not redundant. That isn't the case for most of the topics I've read. You don't have to repeat each time you propose to use adb that I have to have Adroid Tools installed, that I have to have the latest update of that software, that if it's not installed I have to download it from that link and do this and that to install it, etc.
3) Odin's alternatives aren't mentioned the 99% of the cases. I'm a Linux user, and all topics I've read are targeted to Windows users.
Using a wiki instead of this vBulletin will solve these kind of problems. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing those problems.
Regards.
leonixyz said:
Hello,
when I first came to xda-developers.com I was searching for a guide on how flashing cyanogenmod on my second device that I like to use for learning android app development. My experience was one of the most painful on the internet since I was 14 (now I'm 29).
1) Using a forum instead of a wiki for providing information to the user is confusing. It's ok for troubleshooting, if someone has particular problems, or for discussions, but for presenting contents like guides etc. is imho stupid. If each forum has its administrators, they could simply copy-paste the relevant sticky posts to the wiki, and the community will do the rest of the job by updating and refactoring the guides. The outcome will be thousand times better.
2) The guides are often written so bad, that one looses all hopes to fix a problem easely or quickly, and I really mean because of how they are written: coloured text, different text sizes, so much blank lines, and always the same f.......g disclaimer! Ok!! it's clear!! my warranty is void!! you don't have to tell it me each time I read a new topic! and even if you don't write that stuff, you aren't legally responsible for damages. I bet that's true in any country of the world! Communication shall be concise, clear, not redundant. That isn't the case for most of the topics I've read. You don't have to repeat each time you propose to use adb that I have to have Adroid Tools installed, that I have to have the latest update of that software, that if it's not installed I have to download it from that link and do this and that to install it, etc.
3) Odin's alternatives aren't mentioned the 99% of the cases. I'm a Linux user, and all topics I've read are targeted to Windows users.
Using a wiki instead of this vBulletin will solve these kind of problems. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing those problems.
Regards.
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I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you. For starters, XDA-Developers is a developers web site, developed by developers for developers, not the general public.
1) I was a Windows programmer long before Android. I knew absolutely nothing about Android when I joined XDA. Everything, I mean everything, I've learned about Android I learned here in the forums that you say are so difficult to understand. And I'm 44.
XDA's format has been the same for the years I've been here and it works for most. In my years here, this is the first complaint/gripe of this type that I've seen. Granted, I can't read every post in every thread in every forum. I can say this with some certainty, changing this web site is not as easy as Copy & Paste as you mentioned.
2) Bear in mind, most of the poorly written guides you speak of are written by people who's native language isn't even English. They are just trying to help any way that they can. I agree there are alot of redundancies in the guides here. I'm not gonna down someone's grammar that is obviously trying to teach/share what knowledge they have.
3) Odin doesn't apply to most devices, only Samsung that I'm aware of, that's why there are no alternatives for it mentioned. As for Linux verses Windows... Windows is the most widely used operating system, period. Hence the reason for little or no reference to Linux fixes, tools, etc.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry for your bad experience.
shinobisoft said:
I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you. For starters, XDA-Developers is a developers web site, developed by developers for developers, not the general public.
1) I was a Windows programmer long before Android. I knew absolutely nothing about Android when I joined XDA. Everything, I mean everything, I've learned about Android I learned here in the forums that you say are so difficult to understand. And I'm 44.
XDA's format has been the same for the years I've been here and it works for most. In my years here, this is the first complaint/gripe of this type that I've seen. Granted, I can't read every post in every thread in every forum. I can say this with some certainty, changing this web site is not as easy as Copy & Paste as you mentioned.
2) Bear in mind, most of the poorly written guides you speak of are written by people who's native language isn't even English. They are just trying to help any way that they can. I agree there are alot of redundancies in the guides here. I'm not gonna down someone's grammar that is obviously trying to teach/share what knowledge they have.
3) Odin doesn't apply to most devices, only Samsung that I'm aware of, that's why there are no alternatives for it mentioned. As for Linux verses Windows... Windows is the most widely used operating system, period. Hence the reason for little or no reference to Linux fixes, tools, etc.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry for your bad experience.
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You tell him, @shinobisoft!
I'm also sorry for your bad experience, @leonixyz, but the truth is, I have the same exact feelings as shinobisoft. Everything I've ever learned about Android (which is a healthy amount) has come from awesome people here on XDA.
I haven't been a member for too long, but I've been lurking around XDA since 2012 when I got my Nook Simple Touch. Now, I'm a developer for that device!
So, yes. That's my little testimonial/contribution to this thread - @leonixyz, I sincerely hope that you'll change your mind about this site someday. :fingers-crossed:
They have a point. You have to remember this is not a support or user based site. This site is made for developers. Once carriers and OEM start locking down devices so they can't be flashed you will see things calm down.
Reddit-like hierarchical threading (also known as threaded conversations) can greatly improve the efficiency of the XDA Forums.
When a thread becomes many pages long, it is cumbersome to navigate and it takes a lot of time to find the correct and most up-to-date information. When users are looking into a specific issue or topic within a thread, the conversation regarding that topic is interspersed among other topics because currently, the only effective way to connect relevant posts is quoting. The linear system makes it cumbersome to look for a follow-up to a previous issue.
Hierarchical threading makes threads much more organized and easier to navigate. It makes information easier to find, so it prevents a lot of questions being asked again and again, such as "where did he post that? A few pages back".
Would you like XDA Forums to be hierarchically threaded? Please vote in the poll above. Admins and moderators, please take this into consideration!
This is something we've certainly considered in the past. And from memory, we even did some testing on our test server. But at the end of the day, we are a forum based website. When posts are moved around out of order, threads become a jumbled mess.
And it would mean a MASSIVE overhaul of everything we do. We have so much custom scripting to control various aspects of the site, it would be a mammoth task.
That sort of structure would probably be good for Q&A type threads, but certainly not for discussion threads. There would be no need for it.
I'm not an owner, so I can't speak for them, but I know it's something they've seriously considered. But have decided against it for a number of good reasons.
To all forum readers and lurkers, welcome to a new and experimental section of the forums! The PC Hardware forums are part of our expansion into a limited discussion of PC hardware for our enthusiasts and developers. So while the normal forum rules apply you may notice that things here will be slightly different and a work in progress.
Here's what you can expect in each of the forums within here:
PC Hardware Portal Article Discussion is where the portal team will be posting a new thread for each article on the category. While Disqus isn't a bad option it's also a very limited one in comparison to our forum membership - and so we'd like to try moving some of that discussion here. It also gives us the ability to give some behind-the-scenes updates and additional content that may not fit the Portal well, such as build logs and photos of projects we're working on for Portal articles.
Forum members are more than welcome to continue the discussion but new threads will only be created by us here. If you want to carry on a discussion of a different topic, we have you covered.
The PC Hardware For Linux Developers section is ideally for continuing the discussion and talking about topics near and dear to our developers' hearts. Whether you're just starting out and want to know how to build your own kernel/ROM, set up a kitchen to theme, or something more advanced... if it's about Linux this is the place to talk about it!
While the name doesn't call it out specifically it's well known that a subset of developers use Mac OS X instead - feel free to post in here too on your topics. To help clarify we ask that the prefix [OSX] be used so readers know this deals with a Mac-specific topic.
Lastly our PC Hardware General is for all other discussions under the sun and related to the topic. We're not looking to replace your go-to sites but rather foster a conversation in addition to that. And while we certainly understand that these discussions can get "heated" we ask that people treat each other with the same civility and respect as you would anywhere else on the XDA forums.
Your moderation team can be found in the upper right hand corner under "Moderators." Please feel free to contact us if there are any questions/concerns. In addition you will likely find me around here quite often - part of my job as PC Hardware Editor is to help foster those discussions. And we'll be watching to see how this develops - if we need to split this up further you may see additional forums being added or moved here to better keep the related discussions together!
Thank you for your continued time and support of XDA!
To answer my question; yes, I do. I always feel lost when I come here, so for this time, I want to try something new.
1) The main issue. I recognized (unlike all other forums on the Internet), it has three, distinct "layers" with a different visual appearance depending how deep you go into levels.
Level 1: https://forum.xda-developers.com/
Take note of the distinct visual appearance.
Level 2: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android
Take note of the distinct visual appearance. Remember that one level up (https://forum.xda-developers.com/) you had actual descriptions of what each category is about. At this level the descriptions have disappeared (for some reason), so you always have to go a level up to figure out which category you want to enter.
Level 3: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games
Take note of the distinct visual appearance. Now this looks like your regular Internet forum. I wonder why can't Level 1. and 2. look just like Level 3. for an easy overview of navigation.
Am I the only person all these levels are not intuitive for or you as well? What forum engine XDA Forums runs on? I noted that Level 3. is fine, it looks like just any other Internet forum, but I'm puzzled and perplexed as ever about the distinct designs of Levels 1. and 2.
For a comparison of some neat and friendly forum interfaces, I encourage you to check out:
https://forums.anandtech.com/
https://arstechnica.com/civis/
+1: https://forum.f-droid.org/
Nothing special, really: just time tested, old forum interfaces that "just works" as they say. I'm not even saying they are perfect. For example, the AnandTech Forum doesn't have the descriptions the Ars Technica forum has, but due to the self-explanatory nature of the categories, I'm not lost while there. I understand XDA Forums have more complex topics, so descriptions are preferred.
+1: As opposed to the Ars Technica and AnandTech Forums, The F-Droid Forum uses a new school interface called Discourse. I find it effective as it has powerful features. If you ever want to upgrade XDA Forums, you might want to consider going with a next generation forum engine like Discourse.
Example: https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/budget-phones-eur-usd100-worth-buying-t3433115
I simply can't believe I'm the single person on this forum interested in this question. (It's timely as ever, by the way.) I just feel other people interested in the same topic somehow never found their way to my question because they also find XDA Forums overall just too complex to get a grasp on everything happening here.
2) Has anyone ever found checking the "Q&A Thread" was useful for their thread, and didn't regret checking that box in the end? Back then when I was without a clue, I checked the box. I learned never to check it again. See my cautionary tale here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/viewing-internal-storage-generic-phone-t3429852
I never got a proper answer there, and totally by accident (by external Google search after gave up I will ever find my answer on XDA Forums), I have found what I was looking for in a 5-year old Samsung Galaxy Nexus thread which turned out to be completely device-independent stuff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nlock-root-t1420351/post69913460#post69913460
Now why would the author of this completely device-independent guide put the guide in the Samsung Galaxy Nexus forum section where it lied for 5 years unnoticed, but being still useful today? Probably he has never figured out where the proper place for device-independent guides on the forum is. (Where is the proper place for device independent guides on the forum really, where contributors and users alike will find it equally easily?)
My related observation to this point is that I noticed many of the juicy activity on this forum in general takes place in [insert this year's hot Android phone] categories. Hot Android phone of the day or year changes at least yearly, most users change their devices at least once in two years, so even though many device-independent advice might have been accumulated in the topics for previous year's hot phones, this knowledge seems to be lost. It's still here on the forum, just no one looks at threads of old phones popular years ago looking for device-independent advice, people can only stumble upon information from this (actually huge) section of the forum by accident.
3) Idea: how about a distinctive indicator for a project is being active, still actively maintained or developed? It can be a green sign for active projects. Projects no longer being maintained and developed on the other hand could be distinctively marked with a red sign.
Example for I mistakenly thought of an active and alive project that it was no longer maintained and developed... or not? But something like this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71988461&postcount=17847
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72580936&postcount=17958
(Poor developer @M66B, I have no idea what negative experiences he may refer to: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69284003)
Example for me being lost here 1.: This project has been abandoned for sure: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888181
The thread has been closed for 5 years. I have no idea whatsoever in which section should I ask about a similar project which is alive and well. (And expect for answers, which is equally important! A few paragraphs above you can see examples that even I asked the right question in the right place according to moderator, I never received any answer whatsoever, or any meaningful answer.)
Example for me being lost here 2.: I really want to ask somewhere
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/135711/is-apkmirror-com-safe
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/74618/how-safe-is-it-to-use-aptoide
Example 2, for not finding my way around XDA Forums. I noticed there are many worthy, distinctive projects that seem to be abandoned by their developers: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888181
It seems to be pretty abandoned; the thread has been closed for 5 years.
Aren't just too many separate categories? I just never was able to figure out the "overview" of XDA Forums the way I had no problem to overview AnandTech Forums and the Ars Technica forums. Even if you say there are exactly as many forum categories as needed, I can accept that. But sure, you could do more to make it visually intuitive - just like most other forums on the Internet are. Thanks!
Update. Another case in point: https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...-with-root-and-android-pay-in-the-xda-forums/
Poor Google engineer @jasondclinton_google has some good, general info on rooting vs. Android Pay (Google Pay?) security but why he had to post it in an obscured thread under xda-developers > Google Nexus 5 > Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting > Android Pay and Custom ROM instead of a forum topic of more general interest is beyond me.
Anyone?
Theres quite a few threads on this subject, perhaps people dont feel the need to contribute to another one?
magicphone said:
To answer my question; yes, I do. I always feel lost when I come here, so for this time, I want to try something new.
1) The main issue. I recognized (unlike all other forums on the Internet), it has three, distinct "layers" with a different visual appearance depending how deep you go into levels.
Level 1: https://forum.xda-developers.com/
Take note of the distinct visual appearance.
Level 2: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android
Take note of the distinct visual appearance. Remember that one level up (https://forum.xda-developers.com/) you had actual descriptions of what each category is about. At this level the descriptions have disappeared (for some reason), so you always have to go a level up to figure out which category you want to enter.
Level 3: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games
Take note of the distinct visual appearance. Now this looks like your regular Internet forum. I wonder why can't Level 1. and 2. look just like Level 3. for an easy overview of navigation.
Am I the only person all these levels are not intuitive for or you as well? What forum engine XDA Forums runs on? I noted that Level 3. is fine, it looks like just any other Internet forum, but I'm puzzled and perplexed as ever about the distinct designs of Levels 1. and 2.
For a comparison of some neat and friendly forum interfaces, I encourage you to check out:
https://forums.anandtech.com/
https://arstechnica.com/civis/
+1: https://forum.f-droid.org/
Nothing special, really: just time tested, old forum interfaces that "just works" as they say. I'm not even saying they are perfect. For example, the AnandTech Forum doesn't have the descriptions the Ars Technica forum has, but due to the self-explanatory nature of the categories, I'm not lost while there. I understand XDA Forums have more complex topics, so descriptions are preferred.
+1: As opposed to the Ars Technica and AnandTech Forums, The F-Droid Forum uses a new school interface called Discourse. I find it effective as it has powerful features. If you ever want to upgrade XDA Forums, you might want to consider going with a next generation forum engine like Discourse.
Example: https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/budget-phones-eur-usd100-worth-buying-t3433115
I simply can't believe I'm the single person on this forum interested in this question. (It's timely as ever, by the way.) I just feel other people interested in the same topic somehow never found their way to my question because they also find XDA Forums overall just too complex to get a grasp on everything happening here.
2) Has anyone ever found checking the "Q&A Thread" was useful for their thread, and didn't regret checking that box in the end? Back then when I was without a clue, I checked the box. I learned never to check it again. See my cautionary tale here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/viewing-internal-storage-generic-phone-t3429852
I never got a proper answer there, and totally by accident (by external Google search after gave up I will ever find my answer on XDA Forums), I have found what I was looking for in a 5-year old Samsung Galaxy Nexus thread which turned out to be completely device-independent stuff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nlock-root-t1420351/post69913460#post69913460
Now why would the author of this completely device-independent guide put the guide in the Samsung Galaxy Nexus forum section where it lied for 5 years unnoticed, but being still useful today? Probably he has never figured out where the proper place for device-independent guides on the forum is. (Where is the proper place for device independent guides on the forum really, where contributors and users alike will find it equally easily?)
My related observation to this point is that I noticed many of the juicy activity on this forum in general takes place in [insert this year's hot Android phone] categories. Hot Android phone of the day or year changes at least yearly, most users change their devices at least once in two years, so even though many device-independent advice might have been accumulated in the topics for previous year's hot phones, this knowledge seems to be lost. It's still here on the forum, just no one looks at threads of old phones popular years ago looking for device-independent advice, people can only stumble upon information from this (actually huge) section of the forum by accident.
3) Idea: how about a distinctive indicator for a project is being active, still actively maintained or developed? It can be a green sign for active projects. Projects no longer being maintained and developed on the other hand could be distinctively marked with a red sign.
Example for I mistakenly thought of an active and alive project that it was no longer maintained and developed... or not? But something like this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71988461&postcount=17847
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72580936&postcount=17958
(Poor developer @M66B, I have no idea what negative experiences he may refer to: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69284003)
Example for me being lost here 1.: This project has been abandoned for sure: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888181
The thread has been closed for 5 years. I have no idea whatsoever in which section should I ask about a similar project which is alive and well. (And expect for answers, which is equally important! A few paragraphs above you can see examples that even I asked the right question in the right place according to moderator, I never received any answer whatsoever, or any meaningful answer.)
Example for me being lost here 2.: I really want to ask somewhere
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/135711/is-apkmirror-com-safe
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/74618/how-safe-is-it-to-use-aptoide
Example 2, for not finding my way around XDA Forums. I noticed there are many worthy, distinctive projects that seem to be abandoned by their developers: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888181
It seems to be pretty abandoned; the thread has been closed for 5 years.
Aren't just too many separate categories? I just never was able to figure out the "overview" of XDA Forums the way I had no problem to overview AnandTech Forums and the Ars Technica forums. Even if you say there are exactly as many forum categories as needed, I can accept that. But sure, you could do more to make it visually intuitive - just like most other forums on the Internet are. Thanks!
Update. Another case in point: https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...-with-root-and-android-pay-in-the-xda-forums/
Poor Google engineer @jasondclinton_google has some good, general info on rooting vs. Android Pay (Google Pay?) security but why he had to post it in an obscured thread under xda-developers > Google Nexus 5 > Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting > Android Pay and Custom ROM instead of a forum topic of more general interest is beyond me.
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To your first point, I actually like the separate layouts for the different layers of the forum. I love modded forums in general, and I enjoy when forums step outside of the basic forumdisplay page.
As for the other points, I agree. I've spent the past few hours searching different forums for a few topics, and a lot of "general" info is split between a myriad of specialized, nested forums. I assume this helps the admins manage topic threads more efficiently. I'm sure it just takes some getting used to. I wouldn't describe it as "complicated" or "non-intuitive," just unique to xda. I run specialized message boards myself, and some forums are born out of general discussions that need to be compartmentalized for better management.
If I understand the whole situation, it goes like this: XDA has been around before Android was a thing, but got a high popularity boost with the introduction of Google's mobile operating system.
The original motto was along the lines of 'by developers, for developers.' But then a lot of new Android people came, not just developers, users as well and XDA couldn't keep up with the surge and you guys still try to find out ever since how to best manage such a huge and diverse community with developers and users alike, how to manage projects, bug reports, while maintaining a community of users, who might as well insightful feature requests for the projects. Does this sound about right?
So. Is the motto of the forum still supposed to be something like 'by developers, for developers,' or perhaps, it has changed?
Old, clip from your YouTube channel: You are a Noob on XDA-Developers. It's your second most watched video on your channel, actually. I just wonder if it's still the dominant attitude of you guys who run this place towards users (some of whom, perhaps want to remain users, just want to get out the most of their phones) and they should piss off and better go elsewhere, or perhaps you have toned down the communication and you are in the process of figuring out how this place could be more fruitful for all?
See more at the Google search: xda site:https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/
I Google searched to find this forum because I am just trying to understand XDA's layout. I'm currently using the app, and I am always so lost here. The only way I find anything at all is through Google searches. Right now I'm trying to understand this place's layout.
Yup same here from me. In general, have not found the XDA mods and Devs very helpful at all unless you're part of the inner circle of geek. Without wasting any more of my time trying to find a simple answer to a simple question on this convoluted diabolical forum I'm going to just join another more helpful more friendly, less up my own arse type of forum where you don't need to be a tech geek to get an answer.
Thanks for nothing XDA
leahcimewol said:
Yup same here from me. In general, have not found the XDA mods and Devs very helpful at all unless you're part of the inner circle of geek. Without wasting any more of my time trying to find a simple answer to a simple question on this convoluted diabolical forum I'm going to just join another more helpful more friendly, less up my own arse type of forum where you don't need to be a tech geek to get an answer.
Thanks for nothing XDA
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leahcimewol said:
Yup same here from me. In general, have not found the XDA mods and Devs very helpful at all unless you're part of the inner circle of geek. Without wasting any more of my time trying to find a simple answer to a simple question on this convoluted diabolical forum I'm going to just join another more helpful more friendly, less up my own arse type of forum where you don't need to be a tech geek to get an answer.
Thanks for nothing XDA
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leahcimewol said:
Yup same here from me. In general, have not found the XDA mods and Devs very helpful at all unless you're part of the inner circle of geek. Without wasting any more of my time trying to find a simple answer to a simple question on this convoluted diabolical forum I'm going to just join another more helpful more friendly, less up my own arse type of forum where you don't need to be a tech geek to get an answer.
Thanks for nothing XDA
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Ciao!
It's turning into a bye bye thread
I admit my post is not helpful