I have bought a pair of faulty backpacks on ebay for my XDA IIi.
One of them is totally shot, the other kind of works but there is a bad connection on the connector that attaches to the XDA.
Does anyone have info on the pinout of this connector please?
I checked the XDA II service manual to no avail.
Hi Mr Fusion
I'm afraid not an answer but a sharing of problems - I have lost my backpack lead and can't get another. Did you find the pinout? Any ideas where I might get the connector?
Cheers
Jon
I was just looking for the pinout when I saw this post! amazing coincidence.
Anyway, I was wondering about making my own Wifi backpack, or possibly squeezing an sdio wifi card inside the case on this connector.
But, I need the pinout before I can even hope to try.
To the guy with the dead backpack, how much did you pay? want to sell it cheap to me to experiment with?
Any of you who wants the complete kit plus 1Gb compact flash pm me.
Victor
I am attempting to house an i-mate PDA2 in a custom enclosure (for a product that we make). I want to modify the 22 pin connector on the sync/power cable but I cannot find a pinout.
I need a picture or diagram of the 3, or is it 4, rows of pins with pin numbers, pin function and connector wiring (jumpers, etc.)
Anyone know where I might find this?
Before you get crushed by the "rtfm" type posts, I humbly direct your attention to the "connectors" link on the front page of this site, which will lead you to: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors. It's an extremely useful page!
OK, I told you so now you tell me; what're you guys making?!
I did check out the "connectors" page and it is helpful.
However, what I am looking for are details of the inside of the cable connector. I took one of these connectors apart and it's not the easiest thing in the world to figure out which pin goes to which on the PDA side or what the number system is.
So, it would be very helpful to know if someone has already gone through the unravelling.
In a nutshell, our company has developed a technology that uses ultrasonics to measure load in bolts both during and after tightening. The PDA is the platform for the controller of the tightening and inspection tools.
Sorry, I assumed that you'd not looked at the connectors page because I used it to figure out (I think) what it is you're after when I was trying to make my own sync/charge/gps connector.
If this is something that you can't resolve with a multimeter, then I guess you must be looking at an interesting connector! I'd suggest posting a couple of pics of the connector with it's top off lined up with the phone's socket. That'll make it easier to figure out what's what!
The load detector sounds cool, I'd love to see a screenshot if you've got one.
Yes, it can be resolved with a multimeter - I was just looking for the lazy way out!
I have attached a photo of the prototype unit - not the most professional representation, but a decent one nonetheless.
That looks cool! I love it when people *really* use these things.
If you open the connector up and see 2 (staggered) rows of tiny, really hard to solder :lol: pins, pin 1 (left side of the phone connector if you hold it bottom towards you, screen up) is the bottom left pin.
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^ bottom left is pin 1. Hope this helps, sorry I had to bath the baby earlier and was typing whilst holding a somewhat sticky little girl
Thank you!
Subject: PDA2 sync/power cable connector pinout
On this thread, I was thinking of using the desktop cradle as the base for a mobile mount.
But the pin-outs for the PDA2k are not easily found.
The connector link now appears to be at:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Connectors
This page seems only to refer to the Wallaby and the Himalaya.
Is there a specific page for the PDA2k or does anyone know if the pin-outs of the 22 pin connector are the same for the Wallaby/Himalaya as they are for the PDA2k?
-I found elsewhere that Pin 19 was different.
Are there any other differences?
Also somewhere amongst the threads there was a mention of the pin-outs of the 2.5mm audio out /mic in was different or was it the switch on the hands free headset?
I have trawlled the site and it has eluded me so far for a consiolidated posting on the connectors for the PDA2k.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Perhaps I am just deluding myself
Thanks in advance
If you lost your marbles, would you know where to find them?
harrier mounts and connectors
I wouldn't use the desk cradle to make a car mount. IMO the car mount from Clicon (www.clicon.com.au) is better mechanically than the desk cradle, and already suited to vehicle mounting
There are a number of variants of their kits, but not many that suit my pda2k-evdo. The ones that do suit are:
- plain cradle with no connectors, but leaving the pda2k connector exposed and accessible
- plain cradle with "passthrough" connector - so connect your own charger etc to the bottom of it. Note that this passthrough doesn't support the two lugs that some pda2k plugs have (eg the charging dongle that came with the pda2k-evdo)
- cradle with lighter-socket charger. The charger part is actually removeable; they've just screwed the car charger to the cradle.
The lighter-socket charger mentioned above has a small board inside the connector with Tx and Rx holes labelled. It looks like it was designed for making a serial+charge adaptor.
I have a separate RS232+charger adaptor cable ("suits XDA IIs") which looks like it's charging, but really just keeps the screen on and runs down the battery quicker. It turns out it only has one V+ and one Gnd pin connected, as opposed to 3 of each listed on the Connector page on this site. Makes me wonder whether the 3 pins for V+ actually all have the same function. Time to mod the connector...
Gregnash,
I agree with your summary,
and I have looked at the available in car cradles/holders.
I have already ported a XDA1 cradel with audio/mic,USB and power to see if the connections can be done successfully.
All worked except for the mic as I need to find a 4 polo 2.5mm panel socket so that it switches on hook.(this I assume is pin 19)
You are right, by itself the Harrier cradle does not securely hold the pda in place as there is lateral movement.
What I am trying to achieve is a "all in one" in car cradle/holder.
I have sucessfully mounted a NOKIA passive anennae connector to a stand alone generic brand pda holder.
This as you said allows the connector to be exposed for charging.
I have used this method with a 9db external (old analogue antenna-funny that, you can use them for CDMA) antenna or a 9 db through glass antenna.
Currently the system is clumsy as also I run a bluetooth external GPS and route the audio from the 2.5mm socket to the cassette player adapter.
-(no audio IN in this car radio)
What I was hoping to do was to incorporate the Nokia Passive antenna coupler at the rear of the Harrier cradle which would put slight pressure in the forwards direction to both make an antenna connection and more secure and stop the Harrier from moving.
(Another flash idea is to strip the inductance plate from the coupler and mount a antenna cable socket on the coupler face so that it aligns with the antenna out from the Harrier)
With the audio out /mic in and charge through this connector , I am hoping to eliminate all of the wiring as I can conceal the wiring back inside the dash.
The only other thing is the on hook switch for receiving calls.
As you can probably guess I probably have too much spare time.
Perhaps Bluetooth In car kit will by-pass the need for the physical connectors as it is software driven.
But I have heard of so many bad reports of BT connecting to the phone that it appears to be pot luck if I find one that works.
What about this arrangement:
1. Harrier cradle -with antenna coupler if secure,
2. bluetooth in car (cigarette lighter style) hands free-Blue Ant etc,
3. audio out from cradle to radio ( for GPS instructions and playing mp3 from Harrier) freq transmitter(powered externally).
4. bluetooth GPS external antenna
mmmm..... maybe a bit of an ask but it does allow a "drop on cradle ,push forwards to engage antenna and forget" action.
Maybe I am off with the fairies, what do you think?
Any comments would be appreciated.
For antenna supplies you can try this site http://www.wpsantennas.com/ basically I think it would boost reception back to 3 watts. 3 watts is the same wattage as the old car mounted mobile phones. Mobile phones operate on 0.5 watts. No wonder our reception sucks in so many places.
Hook the antenna into a car cradle and some type of handsfreee switch for the radio, and you have a very powerful, very mobile 3 watt mobile phone with great reception.. if you got carried away you could even connect your car to the ppc and moniter engine, fuel, etc. Plus a GPS.. and oh the possibilties are endless.
Johnno's ambitious car kit
Yeah, I think you do have too much time on your hands
Sounds like a plan, though, and I'd like to know if you make it all work. The antenna couplers I've seen take a bit too much force for a "drop in, push back" arrangement, but one designed for a different phone may do the trick if it fits.
btw, my interest in serial is for wired GPS and to talk to the engine management computer (not at the same time, or one will have to be bluetooth). Even better if they can be powered from the same cable.
dougnet
Thanks for the link.
I actually had thought of this proposal.
I actually contacted tht crowd (amongst others) about two months ago as I was thinking the same as you.
They answered that they are not allowed to export GSM or CDMA amplifiers to Australia.
I think it might be that new "Free Trade Agreement and respecting our telcos" we now have with the US where things are not really "FREE".
Probabably if I asked 12 months ago it might not have been a problem.
Nice products.
Trouble with Antenna couplers , is that you lose at least 1.2db + in the cconnection.
You you really need a grunty antenna or output.
".. if you got carried away you could even connect your car to the ppc and moniter engine, fuel, etc. Plus a GPS.. and oh the possibilties are endless. "
Now I have an automatic car so rev monitoring would certainly be overkill.
I get your drift, though thanks for the input.
gregnash
I will have to see how much force is needed to engage the pda.
Don't forget that at least the same force will be needed to disengage it as well.
Mmmm...good point, this means seeing whether a panel mount socket is available in this cofig.
Wouldn't have a clue who might sell panel mount sockets suitable for the Harrier/Blue Angel?
I am not sure how a cable termination would cope with the forces needed.
The fixing method would have to be substantial.
Serial connections to the car comp?
You would probably need to hack the code to get access to it I suppose?
But if you could tap into the on-board engine management computer, then you could change the air to fuel ratio at the injectors and lots of other cool things like disengage my engine cut-out at 190k/per hour and have some real fun!!!
Not much fun at 190K/h and the engine stops-no brakes, no steer!!!
Must be for the rev heads-NOT ME!
I will investigate the force on the antenna connector to see if this is feasable to mount.
I will let you know what I find.
Hi all.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Well life is full of compromises!
So long as you do not require audio output and you are happy with the Harriers speakerphone volume, I think I have a home solution for the uninitiated.
1. I have a "generic brand mobile phone holder-one of those adjustable in width ones- full width just held the Harrier nice and snug.
2. To this I mounted at the bottom (after removing the locking latches)
a USB car charger cable -with no modifications.
-Actually I pop rivetted the backing shell to the holder.
3. I then mounted a Nokia a passive antenna coupler and sculptured the holder-so that it fits at the right height and to the left of the Harrier.(where the antennae is on the Harrier)
4. I then mounted the holder onto the dash of the car (my choice as I put it though a removable panel where a digital clock is fitted in an other model, and passed the antenna cable,and the charger cable to a cavity in the dash.
5. Here I supplied a cigarette socket with 12 volts and connected the charger cable.
What I ended up with was a car mount that was a "drop in" style that
was easy to build without any fiddly soldering of connector pins.
I actually did make it with USB and audio out but these were surperflous as at the moment I do not have an audio in for my car radio or an amp to drive it.
But I just wanted to see if it could be done.
This is why in the picture you can see electrical tape around the cabling.
(This is because I had USB,Audio out and Car charger cable.)
Once you have this type of holder, it is not hard to get a new holder and move only the antenna coupler across ( I would think that the new connector would be different from the Harrier)when you upgrade to a new PDA.
In summary:
Compromise 1.
1.2db loss at antenna coupler-using 9db external antennae so I can live with that.- but no nasty "push to connect" hassles.
Compromise 2.
Audio out does work but the level is so low that it needs good amplification , this I will not follow up until I get a car radio with audio in.
Rely on Speakerphone fore the time being.
I hope this is of help to those thinking of this kind of project.
I hope the picture is reasonably self explanitary.
If you have any questions just let me know.
Hi there - I'm new to the forum.
I own an Orange SPV M1500 which I think is what you'd term a Himalaya here.
My partner bought me a great new car kit which has the typical thin xda connector port in it, but now the phone is behaving badly. The screen is wonky in several places and is not responding to taps.
My dilemma is this - Orange do not provide these phones any more and they don't provide phones with the same port connector on the bottom either.
So I either have to get rid of the cradle or somehow get another phone with this type of connector.
Does anyone know the current list of phones with this kind of connector? Or where I might be able to get hold of a replacement?
Thanks in advance.
I'm not too sure, but with most car kits you can buy replacement cradles, which i believe are relatively cheap compared to replacing the whole of the car kit, what car kit is it? perhaps a quick google search along the lines of replacement cradles might turn up something
So, here we go..
I'm badly needing a pinout for HTC touch polaris cruiser (P3650) sim connector, or at least a clue on how can I test the connector if it is working correctly with a tester.
After surfing/googling etc. I've found that everywhere I looked the PN for the connector 50H10062-41M-A is mentioned, but mine is a 50H10062-41M-B(however they look same, according to the pictures) and was unable to find any(!) info about it.
Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated.
It seems that I have either been too careless when changing my broken display, or I have a typical monday example from the production floor... Because the big flat cable connector mounted on the mainboard has cracked and a corner piece has broken off completely.
I managed to glue it back into place, but there's some plastic missing between the wired connection points. This means (seems to anyway) that my MicroSD slot is busted and is currently short circuiting the whole phone if any MicroSD is mounted.
Now my question:
Is there anyway to buy an entirely new one of these connector ports?
I've looked high and low online (eBay and otherwise), however I really don't know the proper terminology to search accurately.
I work in electronic manufacturing and we actually have connectors in stock, very similar to the one I need, but obviously similar doesn't cut it - I need the exact model used. If I had one I could easily solder it in place at work...
Does anyone have any ideas of how to find one?
I include one picture to clarify which connector I am talking about. It is not a pic of my actual mainboard, but a pic from eBay that I marked, just to give a general idea.