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noob question: kitchen vs tools..same?

Newbie question. I don't understand, what is difference between a kitchen and tools like mamaich's ? At first I thought they were the same but now I'm not sure because I keep seeing references that don't make sense.

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Post removed? That's it? Pardon me....Look, I know this is a newbie question but I am honestly confused as to what the definition of kitchen is. If I use mamaich's tools to prepare, view, etc. I end up with what seems, to me, to be a similar thing as a kitchen. Are they the same? Is there something about a "kitchen" that is fundamentally different than only using the tools? I have read many, many pages here and I'm honestly trying to understand. Please point me in the right direction. Thank you.
edit: sorry, I thought "post removed" in the earlier post meant I got my message removed from the forum by an admin, anyway, my question still stands.

Since the unhelpful member above failed to give you a decent answer, I will help you. Tools are either a program or a set of programs designed to do a task with the roms (for example, Mammich's tools are designed to help you edit the imgfs part of the rom). A kitchen is a set of tools (made by various people) designed to edit the whole rom or most of the rom and build your own custom roms.For future reference, if you ever have any other questions about rom building, let me know and I will help you out as much as I can.

Thank you very much Steven855 and I appreciate the offer to help.

I originally gave an inadequate answer - thus the removed post. Home ill with the flu, Nyquilled up and forgot which section I was in (thought I was in the Kaiser specific section and gave an answer associated with that). No ill intentions, so to speak.
What I will say is the various tools are something a newbie should probably feel comfortable using. Before using a kitchen, read, learn and flash a number of others' custom ROMs. While the great developers here have made cooking custom ROMs very easy with the kitchens, you can cause a lot of problems with your device if you don't know what you're doing.

No ill intentions taken. Like I said, at first I misunderstood and thought my post got nixed by an admin. btw notwithstanding Steven855's helpful answer, I had my question answered earlier on another thread when the same question came up.
Quote originally Posted by ramsses:
My understanding is the kitchen implies each module (with its associated registry - RGU - files and dlls etc.) is explicitly separated so it can be incrementally and selectively combined. What we are doing here is taking an existing set of ROMs and combining the dlls, exe etc. by hand - there isn't a handy gui where you can select which module you want. Also, the registry is necessarily hand crafted too. So by using the extract/rebuild tools, we are making a ROM, but it isn't a kitchen, more a roadside burger van!
Thanks again, really enjoying this site, and learning alot.

Steven855 said:
Since the unhelpful member above failed to give you a decent answer, I will help you. Tools are either a program or a set of programs designed to do a task with the roms (for example, Mammich's tools are designed to help you edit the imgfs part of the rom). A kitchen is a set of tools (made by various people) designed to edit the whole rom or most of the rom and build your own custom roms.For future reference, if you ever have any other questions about rom building, let me know and I will help you out as much as I can.
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Hi Steven. I was wondering if you knew about ROM cooking for Verizon CDMA devices..ie the i730? I was looking around to see where I would be able to find the bootloader for it but I haven't found any answers yet. Thanks.

Sorry! Unfortunately, I don't know anything about rom cooking for pocket pc phones (yet). I'm still trying to get the hang of this rom building stuff myself (after 2 failed attemps to make an updated rom for the axim X50(mid)).

WM6

I am new to XDA. I trying to figure out what the different ROMS are or look like for the 8525. Can someone help out a noob .

all roms would look identical (if they are the same OS (WM5,WM6,WM6.1))
however each is customised in it's own way - registry tweaks / new applications etc.
so its all preference, look around flash a few (im assuming the device is unlocked / hardspl?) and see which you prefer

Sheesh
And i was just thinking i could make it 1 day without somone opening a thread on this topik.

[Q] ROM backup + why win ce 5.2

Hi all.
This will be my first post in this forum, but sadly I think this subject been up here before. I've been searching these forums and the wiki for some time now and it's ALOT of information here... GREAT WORK! by the way.
But I can't really find any guide that describes why I should do a ROM update. I have learned how to flash the ROM, and that ROM's differs in speed, stability and so on.
Questions I haven't find any clear answers to:
- Clear description on how to backup the original ROM with radio (without SD-card)
- Why tf3d config themes won't work on 1.93 ROMs
- Why does many ROMs uses Win CE 5.2 instead of 6.1?
- Howto backup manila (TF3D) incase of upgrade to manilaHD?
Best regards
Bunnny

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bunnny said:
Hi all.
This will be my first post in this forum, but sadly I think this subject been up here before. I've been searching these forums and the wiki for some time now and it's ALOT of information here... GREAT WORK! by the way.
But I can't really find any guide that describes why I should do a ROM update. I have learned how to flash the ROM, and that ROM's differs in speed, stability and so on.
Questions I haven't find any clear answers to:
- Clear description on how to backup the original ROM with radio (without SD-card)
- Why tf3d config themes won't work on 1.93 ROMs
- Why does many ROMs uses Win CE 5.2 instead of 6.1?
- Howto backup manila (TF3D) incase of upgrade to manilaHD?
Best regards
Bunnny
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i'll share what i know -
1 - as far as i know, there is no way of "backing up" the existing rom, there is a ROM roll up thread here and also a radio sticky - so you see what stock ROM & radio you have and download it and keep it with you (on your computer)
2 - no idea, don't use themes
3-
windows 6.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
windows CE 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE_5.0
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WindowsCE
one is the OS other is the platform.
4 - same as (1) above
i change ROMs because of speed & stability... some do it because of APPS, others because of support... it's what makes you comfortable that counts
hope this helps

cloudedhopes said:
i'll share what i know -
1 - as far as i know, there is no way of "backing up" the existing rom, there is a ROM roll up thread here and also a radio sticky - so you see what stock ROM & radio you have and download it and keep it with you (on your computer)
2 - no idea, don't use themes
3-
windows 6.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
windows CE 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE_5.0
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WindowsCE
one is the OS other is the platform.
4 - same as (1) above
i change ROMs because of speed & stability... some do it because of APPS, others because of support... it's what makes you comfortable that counts
hope this helps
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Ahh, I see (#3), thanks for your reply.
Sadly I havent found my original ROM here.
My OP is 3 sweden and this ROM (1.93.774.3) is not available in the wiki, maybe HTCs ROM (1.93.413.3 SWE) is no loss?
EDIT: Never mind found the rom on the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2572811 (page 7)

Gentlemen!
Both of you are posting instead of searching. All of the above can be easily explained by ..... reading this forum.
So, plz, instead fo making traffic, reserve yourself a free evening with internet connection and mouse....
Regards....

mjaxa said:
Gentlemen!
Both of you are posting instead of searching. All of the above can be easily explained by ..... reading this forum.
So, plz, instead fo making traffic, reserve yourself a free evening with internet connection and mouse....
Regards....
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Well you are not helping, neither with my questions or the traffic.
As I wrote in my post I've been searching and still am.
Now it's just question 2 left. And Im glad to say that I have sucessfully flashed my ROM, but I couldn't use HardSPL OliNex138 instead I used Jockyw2001's 1.24

NOOB's Kitchen

Hi eveyrone.
Background: I have been playing with the new Manilla from XBMod, but in doing so I have had to change my ROM. Previously was on a DUtty v4 ROM which I loved as it was a simple clean and fast ROM.
Now compared to Dutty's all other so far are Bloated and/or slugish (even before I put the manilla2 on).
Anyway I decided to see what it takes to make my own. I looked into it and found a nice simple basic tutorial with video here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413782
Now this is really basic. I do need to learn a bit but I need some help in finding some information. Little things like how to edit the registry or how to change the boot image. Also need to find all the updated HTC apps, and a list of what HTC apps are available and/or ported.
Before someone tells me to use search or "google is your friend" I know that.
I can find out what each package does before I remove them and such. I can also find out how to do allot of these things too, but if you actually use the search also then you will find nearly everything is based on modifying an already installed ROM and not doing it in the Kitchen.
On top of all this I doubt I am the only person looking for a clean fast ROM so I will be releasing this to everyone. I would appreciate any suggestions for what to include and what registry edits to do. And would really appreciate a master chef coming by and helping a new apprentice chef.
Much appreciated for anyones help. (Remember I havn't asked for others to do it, I am asking for some help to learn it.) Lets just hope I don't burn anything...... .

Nothing?
No one wants a Simple Light Upto date ROM??

Kinda funny isn't it.
If I just waited around and asked who had what and all that, I would be flamed to a crisp and get told to read and use search. Just so you know I just used search for "OEM HTC" and got NOTHING.
I have been using the forums for about 6 months now and now I have decided to put my little bit of effort in, no one is interested in helping...
I always say that I only help those whom help themselves. I have and am currently helping myself, but I do need a little hand mainly to point me in the right direction.

Anyone?
Doesn't anyone want a simple ROM that is mearly a set of performance tweaks and updated OS and Updated Default HTC Apps?

Here's you answer - download one of teh full kitchens available (like Sulliers or Mondilv) and make it yourself.
Other way - download latest OEM rom (there's thread for that), ervius kitchen, and cut away to your liking - you will have your "latest light rom".
This is exactly what it is about. Either be ready and donate to the chefs who do such things (cook for demand for payment) or get behind the keyboard and start cooking. it's not that difficult...
This is how I started - got the kitchen, and step by step I go forward. I can't call myself a cook - I only know how to tweak a bit little things, but I'm learning. I suggest you start too
If you are searching for "clean, fast ROM" look no further than Mondilv's kitchen - probably the fastest Rom available now (if we are to trust Pietrucci's benchmarks, and I see no reason why not). Since it;s a kitchen you can do whatever you want to it. And if you are asking "how to edit registry" then maybe your searching skills aren't that good... This like the most basic thing....
Happy cooking!

Good to see people actually read.
At no point did I ask for a ROM. I do recall mentioning that I have downloaded a kitchen and am playing with it.
I did mention that I have searched and my skills in searching are perfectly fine. Considering that fact that I have found the registry information but NOT in XDA.
THe problem with XDA is that if you are to be succesfull in a search you must already know what you want to find (and therefore know the terminology to search for) which then means why search at all seeing you already know. And if you happen to find something you have to read the thread for a week to find the only single post within it that actually gives you an answer.
If you had read my first post properlly and understood it, you would realise I am after information TOO LEARN IT...... but maybe I'll take your suggestion and LEARN it instead.
It really pisses me off when people reply withou fully reading the post, and then tells me exactly what I said I am doing.
For all you know I could be a potential contributer to these threads and you have just destroyed my respect for the people on these threads. Thankyou for your lack of any real help.

Oh and one last thing, I was wrong with the last bit of my first post.
If I ask for the ROM I get flamed, If I ask for help to learn to build a ROM I get told to make a ROM or download one.
Catch 22 around here. Can't ask for help and can't get help. I wanted to build one but if this is the **** I am going to cop just cause I want to learn something and contribute, then its not worth jack ****.
And who are you to say if I have or havn't donated to other ROM Builders.

I would love to try your basic clean ROM, without all the pre installed applications. I have been looking for an up to date naked ROM, but haven't been able to find one.
Good Luck!!!

Well my intention is not a "Naked ROM" but a bare essentials one.
Just updated versions of all the apps that come with a HTC ROM and update OS Core, .NET etc.
Bare Minimum Apps.

good luck man. hope its super fast too.. and stable.

Can someone please point me to an UPDATED list of HTC OEM App Version and hopefully downloads.
I don't mind Ripped stuff, like from TouchFlo2 etc, but I want to leave out beta buggy stuff untill they are are fixed. For example I would want HTC Notifications as it seems to work well (unless I am just lucky) but I won't put in the TouchFlo3D 2 as it is still buggy and unstable.
Oh and VGA versions if possible for my Touch Diamond

Oh and were can I find a 21xxx+ version ROM that I can use?

Hmm, so I want to help, and the best you can do is smirk at my recommendations, and you just carry on:
can you point me here, can I have that or this, and oh, can it be VGA, and possibly with chocolate?
Man, I'm sorry, but there is something wrong. All the info you are looking for IS on this forum. I can't believe that you searched and didn't found. You either search the diamond forum, or use general forum search (which is google) and you just follow the links.
I don't want to belittle you nor argue with you. But just take a second and look at the way how ALL internet forums work. The first thing you do to gain credibility on any forum is to search, learn, then try to help. The last thing you do is to show up, and ask for links "on a platter" in rather demanding manner, and then criticize the answer. I just had a look on your posts and it seems that this is what you do. You repeatedly ask for ready solutions, and when people tell you to search, you are annoyed, or ask "does anybody read posts on this forum?"
I will say just this - google "netiquette" or "how to behave on internet forums".
Good luck in your search for perfect ROM for you.

And here you go not providing any form of help at all.
You say If I did search I searched the Diamond threads or used the Google search..
I have used the google one yes. And I have used the built in search searching for DIamond threads yes.
Now you imply that searching the Diamond is wrong??? I am own a Diamond so why not search the diamond threads.
This is exactly what I am talking about regarding the useless comments of "search the forums" crap I keep reading against any noob.
Instead of pointing people in the right direction you guys just simple say search.
There also seems a limit of more than 3 letter word length to search in the forum search. Cause each time I search OEM or HTC or HTC OEM then it returns No results.
Ontop of all that if and only IF I do actually find something then I have to spend hopurs upon hours readying all the Good job, well done comments before I find the one tiny little comment that actually has the answer. At that rate, for a noob trying his hand at cooking it would take 6 Months to actually find all the answers.
And now you come back and tell me to search, and worst still you tell me that searching for Diamond Rom Development info in the Diamond forums is wrong also. Were was the part that told me were to search?

it seems quite some posts are missing here... xda-developers did a restore from a backup or something after the mess last night? .
Anyway, eangulus. This is what I have so far:
- Started with a stock 2.03 WWE ROM.
- Put in a 21042 SYS + XIP (so it's now 21042 build)
- After that ripped out some stuff:
- NetCF (because it's 2.0 now I installed 3.5 from CAB, we need the OEM for it)
- Manilla
- Opera (I guess we want a newer build)
I also needed to remove it from the 'auto setup' list
- Windows Live
- MP3 Trimmer
- RSS Hub
- AdobePDF
- Cyberon VoiceSpeed dial
- Google Maps (Because we want a newer build or nothing at all)
Also needed to remove it from the 'auto setup list'
- JBedJava
- ZIP
- Office OneNote
- SampleMusic
- SQLCeMobile (Leave the SQLCE engine in)
- Transcriber
The whole thing build nicely, the final .nbh is 86.5mb.
There are a lot of things that can be stripped more ofcourse, and it doesn't have
any 'tweaks' included yet. Stuff I still gotta learn / try out.
Also converting cabs to oem/packages is on the agenda , and see what is easy from
the rhodium / topaz oems to include.
After the flashing and first boot I installed the older STock keyboard (bigger T9) because I still prefer it, installed newer google maps and installed the latest Rhodium Manilla from xboxmod. Runs fine and speedy (still can be faster by cooking it in though).
The notification enhancement works by installed a certain cab afterwards (not the one included in Rhodium Manilla), but Menu Enhancement and the 'manilla start menu' won't work.
My 21038 build that I was working with in the beginning seems just broken or something, because the 21042 XIP/SYS I used worked flawlessy. So I was doing it ok all along, just had broken files .
So, what now from here?

To get you a bit started:
In the end I used bebe's kitchen (http://www.darkforcesteam.com/showthread.php?p=3560). You need to create a user on that forum and wait till they 'approve' you to access the thread though.
In the thread there are a couple of video's posted how to get you started. I watched them, understood them and then started cooking and it worked . I don't know if bepe wants his files freely posted everywhere so I'll let you to get them yourself.
The ROM I used I actually downloaded from the HTC site (http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=133&cat=2&dl_id=483). Entered my serial number and got the .exe with the ROM (the ruu_signed.nbh can be extracted by using WinRAR from the .exe).
The XIP/SYS I used are from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497586
Bepe's kitchen works with a OS.nb files (not .nbh files) so I used NBHUtil to extract it from the .NBH. NBHUtil was included in another kitchen, I got it from there. The kitchen it was included is actually an 'extended' bepe-kitchen, so you might want to play around with that one too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469420.
But in the end, I only used NBHUtil.exe from it .
In his video on how to port a newer build to your kitchen, he uses a complete newer ROM as a starting point. He extracts the XIP/SYS from that. If you do it like me, you don't have a complete newer ROM but only a XIP/SYS downloaded from this forum. They give you a os.nb.payload and a SYS folder. So you skip the part that extract those from a ROM and just instead use the files downloaded.
And that's pretty much it. With those files and the (short!) video tutorial's on Bepe's thread in darkforcesteam.com I managed it make something. (video on starting a kitchen from a ROM, and a video on how to port the XIP/SYS from another ROM to your kitchen). Try it, if you get stuck I'll help you. It isn't hard at all!

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sorry

razkal1 said:
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here is .net 3.5
delete your ntcf forlder in sys and replace with this one
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I actually have it already but thanks for helping out!

Trying out bebe's kitchen and trying an Upgraded OS build as we speak. Not as friendly as some of the other kitchens but with the vid's it is pretty straight forward thou.
Any luck in finding an updated list of HTC OEM Version Numbers and exactly what HTC OEM apps are available for us to package into it?
Im not going to do the manilla yet as I think its still a fraction too buggy. THe main one being atm is being out by 1 hour.
Once its much more stable and bug free then I'll package it. I do want the new notifications and menus thou. they seem to be workig OK.
ALso not sure if this is a HTC app or not but I have seen a new Wifi connection tool. It gives you a list of Wifi available in a Manilla Look, you then just click on one to connect. Do you know what that is called and who does that?

Also do I have to convert the .nb file to a .nbh again?

No order

Hello, guys!
The forum is super but here is ocmplete disorder. Where are the ROMS?
How can one find a ROM file here?? The forum is huge and the search leads to discontinued results (2008 year)
Can someone point me to ROM file archive here?
BR

I'd demand a full refund of the money you've paid....
Seriously, if you scroll down through this list a few pages, some kind person has compiled a thread with all the links in one place. Search is terrible and you have to spend lots of your own time. Still, it's free.

Man its full of ROMs. Most active topics or most discussed ROMs are showed on first page. U dont need to search, just click on thread one the rom u like. Its noted by Cook, Built, WM version, sense version, and ROM Version.
Its easy as it can be.

But it's a mess here!
No normal instructions. All are outdated.
Well, as it was said - it's free and therefore it's messy.
ROMs here - one file, no Ruupdate.exe , no nothing. Like if any user comming here is a professional HTC developer. I am simple user and i am sick of spending hours of my time by gathring info by tips. Well, like i said -- good forum, but no order.

What are you complainin?
Please just have a look at recent posts as already said.
The threads where you have a lot of activity are the threads with new roms.
There are also plenty of tutorials!
For example this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211
For sure you will need some time to compare different roms and find your best fitting one....which comes with the big choise of roms.
And also there will be little problems from time to time which I'm sure you can solve in a short amount of time.
I can recommend the google search, not built in forum search.
Concerning flashing you don't need to use Ruupdate.exe, it's way easier to name your .nbh file DIAMIMG.nbh, move it to the phone's internal storage and flash directly (see tutorial)
Kind regards and have fun with your new roms

Shark_XXL said:
What are you complainin?
Please just have a look at recent posts as already said.
The threads where you have a lot of activity are the threads with new roms.
There are also plenty of tutorials!
For example this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211
For sure you will need some time to compare different roms and find your best fitting one....which comes with the big choise of roms.
And also there will be little problems from time to time which I'm sure you can solve in a short amount of time.
I can recommend the google search, not built in forum search.
Concerning flashing you don't need to use Ruupdate.exe, it's way easier to name your .nbh file DIAMIMG.nbh, move it to the phone's internal storage and flash directly (see tutorial)
Kind regards and have fun with your new roms
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My complain is that forum is full of unimportant trash in topics and no really helpfull info. Like now, i have found a ROM, flashed it and i lost TouchFlo ) Super!
And no original ROMS, only some outdated.
Well, i am a bit tired reading this forum today within 8 hours to find more or less fresh tut, so i can not tell you exactly what is wrong, but i am telling you - i am professional software developer, not a lamer and not a pumpkin head BUT i lost in this forum, jumping from link to link.
I would delete ALL and put all in order:
Flash (ROM) files here:
Radio files here:
Boot loaders (Hard SPL or whatever it's called) here:
Flashers (Software) here:
Tutorials here:
Discussion here:
Instead i see 13248 topics with xxxxx messages inside and 1% of useful info.
Well, if you take donations then make it user friendly.
I will donate 100 USD to make it in order.
And PS - this is a problem that there are Plenty or tutorials!
Like we say in my language - brevity wit! Try to write the less and put sense the more.
Like when i read - hard SPL... then 100 lines text, cheers to authors and then - a patched bootloader..
LOL