i bet that this has been answered thousands of times and i probably haven't just found the thread but i have a cingular 8525 and i upgraded to wm6 lvsw it great but i cant seem to get the 3g network back and all i get is that big E for edge and i want to get back on the 3g network i have applied all the cingular setting cabs in the wiki but if any of you guys can help id appreciate it and sorry if this isn't in the right place thanx guys
The settings for 3g are the same as the settings for gprs/edge.
Maybe you need to go into settings->phone->band and make sure your network type is auto or (wcdma) and your GSM/UTMS band is set at GSM(1900+850)=UTMS(1900+850)....
I ran into the same problem numerous times. there also seems to be a few issues with the data connection. I don't know if it is the ROM or radio but it is pretty anoying.
Another issue I have been experiencing is the weird behavior I get sometimes when I receive a phone call. twice it frooze on me and I ended up missing an important call. I am thinking about going back to some of the other roms.
I have the same problem running the Black 3.1 and end up with "E" EDGE" connection most of the time instead of "3G" that I got with the Black 2.5 and the Custals new Rom. Your phone or device will connect with the fastest technology that it supports and that the network supports in that area. If you have an HSDPA phone or PDA, you will automatically get HSDPA (or UMTS) or fall back to EDGE (or GPRS) if the signal or network can support.
3G and 2.5G are interchangeable
2.5G = GPRS and EDGE
3G = UMTS and HSDPA
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I've seen in my TyTN, WM6, radio 1.34 a (strange?) behaviour. I noticed with VODAFONE : I have a plain UMTS connection 3g icon and 3g data connection alive, used for push e-mail.
When I am in HSDPA area and data connection starts data transfer, I see a switch between 3G and H connection, then revert after 1-2 seconds ad the end of data transver back in UMTS mode.
Hypotesis:
1) Could be a simple WM6 LVSW edition bug
2) Could be a WM6 feature (HSDPA has well known problems in voice phone avaliability when active)
3) Could be a Vodafone Network feature, HSDPA onli when needed
4) 1.34 radio compatibility problem/feature?
5) ......
6) I am stupid and this is a well known fact
Question:
Any other wm6 user noticed same behaviour?
It has always worked like this, HSDPA is ON when you need it, not all the time.
thats part of the design, saving resources for the network.
elivne said:
It has always worked like this, HSDPA is ON when you need it, not all the time.
thats part of the design, saving resources for the network.
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This isn't working this way for all mobile phone providers in Italy, with TIM if you are in HSDPA area it will stay connected... and you're off-line if someone calls
May be we discovered why isn't enabled as DEFAULT setting and we need to enable using SetHSDPA.exe
sergiopi said:
This isn't working this way for all mobile phone providers in Italy, with TIM if you are in HSDPA area it will stay connected... and you're off-line if someone calls
May be we discovered why isn't enabled as DEFAULT setting and we need to enable using SetHSDPA.exe
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Ditto in Australia. If im connected to GPRS, the icon is permanently showing HSDPA... unless of course i only have GSM coverage (very rare!!).
In Taipei, it works exactly as elivne says... H only when needed.
Cheers
FWIW, I didn't experience proper "throttling" in and out of HSDPA mode until I upgraded to WM6 and radio 1.38 (not sure which to thank for it). Prior to that whenever I was in H coverage, the radio would run almost exclusively in H mode. Talk about battery drain! Currently I can run for almost 2 days between charges (and that's with push mail).
How a particular combination performs for you must depend a lot on the carrier, your locale, etc. Took a lot of "trial and error" for me.
Yep, I'm on UK T-Mobile, and my icon only switches from "3G" to "H" when it's active.
As vp3G says, it noticably saves battery power from the old "permanent HSDPA" behaviour. Although I can't claim to get 2 days usage out of mine.
It is a network feature. If you are inactive on HSDPA for t sec the network will downswitch you to UMTS ( called R99 ). Only 10 users can use the HSDPA at the same time and there is an inactivity timer ( t=10 sec) try to manage the traffic by moving inactive users to R99 ( max speed 384 kbps)
Thank you for sharing your knowlege Austin Boy....
..."and that's the way it is"
Cheers
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Only 10 users can use the HSDPA at the same time and there is an inactivity timer ( t=10 sec) try to manage the traffic by moving inactive users to R99 ( max speed 384 kbps)
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Really only 10 simultaneous users? Seems like the odds of getting a timeslice when you need it would be virtually nil.
The 10 limitation can be increased by any operator by adding Channel elements (Radios) or more when adding another carrier ( frequency). Europe has more spectrum than the US and it is possible to get two carriers ( 2x5MHz) and use one for speech and the other for data. In the US we are sharing the spectrum between GSM and UMTS. AT&T will be migrating GSM to UMTS gradually and using the 850 band for UMTS before moving to LTE (4G)
sub69 said:
Yep, I'm on UK T-Mobile, and my icon only switches from "3G" to "H" when it's active.
As vp3G says, it noticably saves battery power from the old "permanent HSDPA" behaviour. Although I can't claim to get 2 days usage out of mine.
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I have a similar switching scenario.
Prior to flashing my Radio to 1.38.00.10 and ROM to Black 2.0 I tested my download speed at www.dslreports/mspeed and was please to see I got almost a 1Mb/sec rating.
However since the flashes I have re-tested and am now only getting 250-300 kb/sec. It may be the network, so I will try on a few separate occasions and different locations.
NB. I have enabled HSDPA in HTweaksC
I noticed during the test that the download bar jumps staright up immediately but then slows down quite a lot?
sergiopi said:
I've seen in my TyTN, WM6, radio 1.34 a (strange?) behaviour. I noticed with VODAFONE : I have a plain UMTS connection 3g icon and 3g data connection alive, used for push e-mail.
When I am in HSDPA area and data connection starts data transfer, I see a switch between 3G and H connection, then revert after 1-2 seconds ad the end of data transver back in UMTS mode.
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3 ITA is working same way.
Enabling HSDPA only when there is data transfer active.
Okay tried again on my commute home, and also when I got to my house.
Speed is looking good ! getting up above the 1mb/sec rate again.
Must have just been a busy cell/network
ok... i have a spv m3100 with black 3.0.1 wich is suposed to be HSDPA enabled... i have also enabled it in the tweaker.... today for the first time i have seen the icon H... in my area there is no HSDPA coverege... none... but i read today that untill the end of the year they are trying to cover it... and i was thinking that they are already making tests... i tested my speed at http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ and i had a 145 kilobits per second speed... wich as far as i know it is similar to 3g... i disabled the HSDPA and tried a few times in 3g... the speed was 135 kb/s... to small the difference...
so... my question... what is the tweaker doing?... enableing HSDPA or just replacing the 3g icon with the H icon?
no one???
what is the tweaker doing?... enable HSDPA or just replacing the 3g icon with the H icon?
My question is why My hermes Tytn picks up the weakest signal at this moment, that is the '3G' signal which is only 1 bar. If i switch to 'G' i get 4 bars instantly.
I have flashed the radio roms already went from 1.40.30 to 1.38.01...anyone thought about making my hermes just picking up the strongest signal automatically regardless if i want to use my UMTS connection?
bandswitch is not really an option right, bc i want my phone just picking op the strongest network at all times.
Its quite ridiculous that my phone picks up the weakest eg 1 bar '3G' instead of 4 bars of 'G' in my opinion especially when im in a phone conversation.
Any comments are welcome.
Regards,
Chiwah
btw new black touch rom is nice...only dunno if its a mon-tue-wedn etc on my today screen.
i have the same problem, although this thread should be moved to "hermes" or "hermes upgrade" forum instead of wm6 forum.
but if anyone has a solution to how to fix it that would be most welcomed by me aswell. (right now I always use gsm network)
Try to update radio to 1.41, it will solve your problem
I have same experience, it is solved after i updated the radio to 1.41. It is noticed that radio !.43 encountered same problems as 1.38 or 1.40. It always pick up the weaker signal such as 3G instead of steady GSM. For the radio 1.41 it always pick up the strongest signal, it will pick up GSM autuomatically if 3G signal is weak.
Or.....
Or you can just search for a great little program called band switch. this program creates a little icon at the bottom of your screen allowing you to switch band on the fly with the click of a button. it is free and was developed by someone in the community. just do a search for it.
I think you will find that the device when in auto (in common with all 3g devices) is set to choose 3g if its available - and thus it will choose 3g if it can get a signal. Personally I prefer 3g (even with one bar) to gsm as it means I can talk and receive emails at the same time.
But I am aware that some hermes users on some networks seem to have some 3g issues with low signal (ie it thinks there's a 3g signal but actually voice and data have trouble getting through).
I agree. The phone will deliberatly attempt to use a 3G signal whenever available. As long as you can send and receive calls, it seems to me that is a desired feature.
Now, if only they would expand 3G into more of my state...
After upgrading from my XDA IIs to my new 8525 I immediately flashed the Schaps 3.54b WM6 ROM. After setting up the connection settings just as I had had them on my BA I noticed the internet didn't work. I thought it might be a T-Mobile issue since with the T-MobileWeb service you must use the proxy server to route HTTP traffic. I put my SIM back into my BA and the internet works! Next my thoughts are that this being a new Edge capable device that they could detect this and block service. Well just today I flashed the Dopod Lite rom, internet still broke. But then I flashed Black X b2 and low and behold its working! I did think that the Dopod Lite "6mb PP" was a bit faster than black so I'd like to use it but why won't the net work on those two roms? Any ideas?
I Got near same Problem,
I was a Happy user with an old WM5 Black Rom. I checked the forums and found a discussion About a WM6 Black od Schnap's Rom. Schnap's in is favour. I tried the 3.54b Full Rom and wasn;t able to connect to the T-Mobile atenna. I kept on searching, when i changed to Manual Network selection I was able to connect.
When I tried GPRS it worked, when i went outside to get 3G you see the switch of reception from G to 3G in the Topbar, butt when trying to surf it doesn't work. Looks like some kind of block or setting.
I also tried 3.57a Full Rom it will connect butt then again no Data is comming in the Browser Windows. When i Switch to GPRS only it works.. I was ble to use the automatec network selection.
Very Strange and annoying...
Regards Tom
fyi...T-Mobile USA has no 3G; only EDGE access. They told me they plan on having 3G later this year and they are testing it. My EDGE gprs internet access works great with schaps 3.54c.
When trying another SIM from KPN I have no problems.
It's strange, i flashed to another ROM 3.54c from Schap's again I ran into trouble. When i poppe in a SIM from another provider KPN, it worked inmediately. This KPN provider has gprs / umts and hsdpa.. You see the icon performing seamless handover for the data connection. When creating traffic if switches to hsdpa and when there is no or less traffic it goed back to UMTS, you see the icon switcing between 3G and H.
When putting back the T-Mobile SIM i have trouble connecting with the GSM antenna's you see the Antenna symbol seraching. Normally it fixes to the provider within 3-10 seconds. T-mobile only has GPRS and UMTS, also my UMTS subscription is trothled down to max 224 kb/sec (This is cheaper for monthly costs). Maybe the trotheling is the problem?
When it does connect sometimes, after driving to my home or after several warm resets it's hard to connect to 3G. My work is situated in a building which has coated windows. So inside the building I only have GPRS reception. GPRS is no problem, when i walk outside, it switches to 3G (UMTS) allmost instantly except there is no data connection handover. I'm unable to get any bit from the 3G connection. It appears to be a solid connection because you see the solid 3G above the reception indicators.
Puting back the KPN sim and everything works as it should.
Regards Tom
hey guys
ok so i have the TP2 running WM 6.5 professional
ROM 1.86.401.0 (67102) WWE
ROM date 25/9/2009
radio 4.49.25.17
protocol ver. 61.44tc.25.32U
my service provider is Etisalat in the UAE
the problem that im having is that when i set the BAND to AUTO, it picked up the the 3G network...but problem is that it keep shuffling between 3G and EDGE. because of that it wont recieve calls. one fix i was told was to manually select GSM BAND. the call problem was solved because of that.
but since i have done this, i been having another porblem. after using internet to say update the weather tab, i cant make or recieve call, or send sms or anything. everytime i use internet on the TP2, i have to switch to AIRPLANE MODE and then back to PHONE its driving me nuts
anyone facing the same problem? or has a fix to this?
Switching between 3G and Edge is normal, because not everywhere you have good service.
But just to make sure:
When you set band to AUTO and you are switching between 3G and Edge, can you call someone?
I had problems with my HTC Kaiser in the UAE. Etisalat and Du told me they only can provide mobile internet to BlackBerries and IPhones...
yeah, when it is switching between 3G and Edge, i cant make calls and i cant recieve calls either. they say my cell if off while its actually on
denlopviper said:
the problem that im having is that when i set the BAND to AUTO, it picked up the the 3G network...but problem is that it keep shuffling between 3G and EDGE. because of that it wont recieve calls. one fix i was told was to manually select GSM BAND. the call problem was solved because of that.
but since i have done this, i been having another porblem. after using internet to say update the weather tab, i cant make or recieve call, or send sms or anything. everytime i use internet on the TP2, i have to switch to AIRPLANE MODE and then back to PHONE its driving me nuts
anyone facing the same problem? or has a fix to this?
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Go into the Bands page (where you manually select the bands). Press "WCDMA" to enable 3G only. That will keep you in 3G, but if you go into a non-3G area, you won't get any signal at all.
EDGE can only handle one thing at a time. If you don't have an active data connection, you can use the phone (call, SMS). If data connection is active, you can't use the phone functions. So, if you're on a webpage and someone calls you, their call won't go through.
3G allows you to use phone functions and data at the same time. So if you're on a web page and someone calls you, you can answer it.
ok that was surprisingly simple.. thanks
Edge can only handle one thing at a time? I routinely get and make calls and browse at the same time (or get emails via active outlook push connections, etc). And this is both when I'm in Edge areas (eg when I go to my cabin in Montana (heck - ANYWHERE west of Milwaukee) or when I have 3G (around here).
This does, however, appear to be a feature strictly of AT&T. But I don't believe the inability to do simultaneous data and call is a hardware or even Edge technology limitation - I believe its a network specific limitation.
Having said that, my money would be on an incorrect radio or DLL hanging around in the phone...
(Standard disclaimer: I know nothing about non-US carriers or their oddities. I reserve the right to be wrong- a right I exercise somewhat frequently )
well i upgraded to WM6.5 so the radio is the one that came with the upgrade.nothing else has been changed.
have a feeling the problem is with the phone as my pervious phone, sony ericsson's P990i had absolutely no porblems switching from data to call and back to data without having to do anything.
one thing i noted is that once i start an internet session, it keeps running unless i turn the switch to airplane mode to force a connection break.
Guys is it totally normal for your internet connection icon to continuously switch between 3G and H?? no matter whether I set it for WCDMA only or GSM / WCDMA auto..
I have noticed that when there is no current internet connection being made - the icon remains 3G, then when i connect to the internet it switches to H, but freezes up all the time. When I use my o2 sim on the same desire handset, the icon remains H and the speed is fast continuously without any pause or disruptions.
Any help would be much appreciated, also a copy of an APN for orange internet would be great so I could check it with mine.
Never noticed a H on mine. Only seen it go to 3G+
Mine goes between 3G and H all the time while im in my flat.
Not checked while im out.
Its probs a network thing, orange might not have a strong 3G+ network in your area so it keeps switching. I even seen mine on GPRS sometimes.
3G+ is HSDPA
What I'm trying to say is that my phone never displays a H just a 3G+. I have pretty good HSDPA coverage where I am
thanks for the replies - will keep testing my internet connection, still feel that o2 was faster but what the heck - the Desire was free so had to switch alliance!