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hi guys.
can you tell me how big the tomtom program and uk maps are roughly. I need to know what size microSD to buy.
also, is there a free bit of software that I can use to test if my gps is working on my phone.
thanks
matt
sent from artemis

around 2xx ( less than 250mb) for GB plus map

Hi, I have just installed TomTom 6 on my O2 orbit and it took 286Mb on the memory card, It works fine with no problems.
I use a piece of software called visual GPSce
http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm
This is a very simple way of seeing if the GPS is working it also shows the speed and other information.
Hope i am not breaking any rules by posting the url
Fred099
O2 Orbit, TOMTOM6 GPS 1GB Microsd

Have you taken a look at IGO2006 or MioMAP v3.2 ?
Tomtom lacks the polished finish that these two (same core app really) have managed to achieve.
IMO
Jez

I agree, I ditched TT in favour of I-Go ... MUCH clearer and more intuitive interface IMHO.

Best GPS navigation software on Trinity?

Hi, All,
Can we share some experiences on the GPS navigation software used on our Trinity? I currently is using TomTom 6 originally came with the phone, but I really don't like it's graphical interface, nor the accuracies of the direction instructions. Sometimes it will tell me to turn right, then make a U-turn down the road in order to do a simple left turn. I the intersection where I'm supposed to make a left turn does allow left turn traffic. Even I updated the map, it is still giving me ambiguous directions.
What's your experience with the GPS navigation software you are using? Does anybody have the guts to claim one is superior to the others and why?
Regards,
Dinky

Navigon MobileNavigator 6 is one of the best, and has a very beautiful and easy to operate interface. You must have 20mb of ram free when you launch it.
See here: Mobile Navigator 6

Hi Dinky,
I have Nav N Go iGO My way 8. I complete change this GPS software over my TomTom. It is very fast software, easy install, intuitive control, skins, 3D landmarks, 3D city maps. I seee flyover very good first time. I have all europ maps in the 2 GB card. Maps have current date feb. 2008.
More info about iGo8 is here :iGO8

+1 iGo 8
Was running iGo 2006 Plus as it had better resolution maps and was smoother than TomTom 6.02.
iGo 8 is even better, but the Trinity doesn't have the grunt to navigate and do text-to-speech directions at the same time.

I thought Nav N Go 8 hadn't been released yet. It certainly doesn't look to have been on their website.

i have tomtom 6.03
works great on WM6.1

Nav N Go 8 is Good & works fine on my Trinity
This is the Link i got it from
iGO8 v8.0.0.31442

oVan said:
Navigon MobileNavigator 6 is one of the best, and has a very beautiful and easy to operate interface. You must have 20mb of ram free when you launch it.
See here: Mobile Navigator 6
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Hi,
was there not a problem with MN6.2 when driving in a tunnel.
I always had the problem that inside the tunnel MN6 said i've been arrived when the gps signal was lost.
Do you have a solution for that?
My favourite is also iGO8! Only disadvantage is that iGO has Teleatlas maps and no Navteq. But this is dipending on the region you live and only some streets are not actual. So it is not a big problem. With Tomtom in the past you have had both possibilities.
sole71

sole71 said:
Hi,
was there not a problem with MN6.2 when driving in a tunnel.
I always had the problem that inside the tunnel MN6 said i've been arrived when the gps signal was lost.
Do you have a solution for that?
sole71
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True... this does not happen with an external receiver, only with the gps receiver from the trinity itself. After a tunnel I just choose "Last destinations" and you're quickly on track again. That's about the only problem I have with this software, the routes are very good and the interface is very clean.

I am using Garmin Mobile XT on my WM6 Trinity.
The maps are City Navigator Europe 2008 NT (Maps dated oct 2007).
The interface is a little awkward, and the 3d view a little sluggish, also the spoken directions are a little too late for my taste. On the other hand I drive fast ;-)
The maps are very good (navteq), you can puzzle your own Europe map and load it on the MiniSD Card.
All in all its not bad, with better maps than Tomtom6

pauleley said:
Nav N Go 8 is Good & works fine on my Trinity
This is the Link i got it from
iGO8 v8.0.0.31442
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How do you get it to work? Do you change the sys.txt?
I get nothing but "out of memory" and "fatal error" once the interface has loaded.

oVan said:
I get nothing but "out of memory" and "fatal error" once the interface has loaded.
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Through schaps advanced config, put the cache file to 2MB
Your location will determine the soft
Use the one with the latest maps
I've try ViaMichelin ( Horrible ), Route66 (average ), Garmin XT ( don't like the view ), TT6 ( Efficient most of time, lot of pois, poor view ), iGO 2006+ ( nice ) and now iGO8 ( Very good )

corfou said:
Through schaps advanced config, put the cache file to 2MB
Your location will determine the soft
Use the one with the latest maps
I've try ViaMichelin ( Horrible ), Route66 (average ), Garmin XT ( don't like the view ), TT6 ( Efficient most of time, lot of pois, poor view ), iGO 2006+ ( nice ) and now iGO8 ( Very good )
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Got it partially working now, the interface is really fast...but oh so complicated. The difference with Navigon is day & night, Navigon worked together with Fraunhofer Institute to make the UI user-friendly and it shows.

Sounds like a lot people prefer iGo8, I'd like to give it a try. I travel a lot in North America including Canada. Does anyone have all iGo8 North America maps in one zip file? Thx.

iGo8 only has euro version

You may find a user feedback for different GPS softs here (in French):
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44960

When I start iGO 8 with 25mb free ram, it frequently fails to calculate a route of 130km. It uses a lot of memory... I'll give up now

hi
dont have any gps navigation with map full 3D of iberia? a like iGO8 grafic but I never try it...
regards

I've always used, and never found better GPS software than TT6, untill now! Igo8 is fantastic, a memory hog but works smoothly. Only (Big) problem is I cannot pick up call whilst igo is running. I changed the page mem to 2mb, but either the call is lost or igo crashes.
Any suggestions??

In Australia, I use CoPilot 7, that came with my P3600i.
Doesn't use much memory, and looks great and runs pretty snappy.
In my opinion, TomTom looks horrible - I don't know why it's become so popular.
iGo is alright, but the interface is too cluttered and as some people have said, it is definitely a memory hog.
CoPilot for me so far

IGO 8 on ARTEMIS

Hello
installed IGO 8 on my artemis with meschle rom vanilla 4.02 with cube
runs perfect, for the moment no diverence with speed as tomtom
tomorrow i will give it a special test with monumets , speedcams etc
for my onest opinion layout and design better then tomtom
i noticed for the moment just one minor problem;
Igo 8 gets stuck when s2u2 turns on,i just removed s2u2
are there some other user so i can hear there opinion
greetz Hatchy

Ive installed S2U2 yesterday but haven't run IGO8 yet, so will do it now and post my findings in a bit.

Ok had it running for ten minutes now and has been fine?
i have got S2U2 setup so that it only comes on when the device is in standby and with IGO8 keeping the phone on it doesn't even start S2U2.

IGO 8 vs TomTom Navigator
Yeah,
installed IGO8 too, our 200MHZ TIO OMAP Processor is still fast enough
Maybe in future it will be too slow when 3D graphices are real to life, or like TomTom Navcore 8 (not for pda's). Tomtoms graphics are like a 80's computergame
My father in law still prefers tomtom (very user friendly) even with the 'easy mode' in IGO8.
I still have to test it passing monuments to see the better graphics, but runs smoothly, you can see that they worked on this one.
Any other competitive packages with great graphics ? (tested Destinator & Route 66 already in past). Maybe TomTom Navigator 7 will have better 3D graphics, any news ???
Thanks,
Innovator

using IGO8 from begin of may with full details and works perfect.
I'm not using S2U2

I 'm using iGO8 full with 3d elevations, custom pois etc. Works fine on artemis with Vanilla 4.1 (not touch).
Problems (2) that I mention is:
1. it needs at least 16 MB ram free
2. when I press the call button to make a phone call during navigation, dialpad screen is a mess and no call can be made.
Waiting for a better Greek map because building numbers is totally wrong.
Fantastic piece of software.

navigon 6.5
i also used the igo8. but as i made any turn it ran back in 2d modus. so i went looking for other navi software. tomtom i had for a very long time, but when i wanted to go to croatia for vacantion, i had to switch between 2 maps. western eu and eastern eu. now i use navigon, very convinced that this is really good. had no problems what so ever on the way to and back from croatia. fast and very good working for me.

Tested
Hello
i tested igo almost the whole day
NOproblems
it works great
zero times stuck
i got calls in between no problem
i going to keep it on my artemis , much better grafics then tomtom
one thing, didn't see the 3d buildings yet
greetz Hatchy
HTC P3300 with meschle vanilla 4.02 with cube

Hey i've tested it too ... first I had the "not enough memory" error, now I use filesystem cache 125 kb so it starts at least ...
but if I want to plan a long route the error message of iGO appears: "Not enough Memory, use different parameters"
I've got 27,6 mb free program memory (Meschles Artemis Touch 4.02 Vanilla) ... whats the problem, any of you got an idea???
I think in general Artemis isn't really fitting the performance specifications for iGO 8.
Hello
i tested igo almost the whole day
NOproblems
it works great
zero times stuck
i got calls in between no problem
i going to keep it on my artemis , much better grafics then tomtom
one thing, didn't see the 3d buildings yet
greetz Hatchy
HTC P3300 with meschle vanilla 4.02 with cube
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How do you achieved this? I played around with the memory options for 4 hours -> no success

I don't know
but i closed all programs ( also pocketcm)
i removed everything from tomtom and i set the splash screen on disabled
with me no problems and i just have 19 mb free

Update
I am using igo now and it works perfect
i've got a 4 gb micro sd with full europe for igo 8 and full europe for tomtom
so i can use both now
works like a charm
no problems for me

Hi.
Any way to get a link where to download IGO and test it, please?

Titek: buy it or try it in the shop and then buy?

Bucci said:
Titek: buy it or try it in the shop and then buy?
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That may be a good answer.
Anyway, is there a real difference between Tomtom Navigator and Igo? I got Tomtom on my ARTEMIS and it's quite good but sure, I do not see buildings in 3D.

I have Igo8 on my Artemis (working on Artemis Touch 4.02 Full no cube ROM @ 473 MHz) with full details and some skins and works fine (need at least 16 MB free RAM)
3d buildings
3d maps
realistic textures
full europe maps

Do IGO's maps take a lot of size on Micro SD card's or not? I know that for TOMTOM, maps can be about 100 Mb.

Hi I installed iGO 8 properly. But when it starts I see only blue igo screen and and " INIT API" then the program closes. Does anyone know what should be the problem.
I have Black&Blue 4.1 WWE Rom installed.

Titek said:
Do IGO's maps take a lot of size on Micro SD card's or not? I know that for TOMTOM, maps can be about 100 Mb.
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full TT europe map with POIs about 1,7 GB
full iGO europe map (including buildings, terrain, POIs) about 1,9 GB

cantilever said:
Hi I installed iGO 8 properly. But when it starts I see only blue igo screen and and " INIT API" then the program closes. Does anyone know what should be the problem.
I have Black&Blue 4.1 WWE Rom installed.
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what about free RAM before start IGO - more than 16 MB?
Bought version or Downloaded? so much aspect to solve your bug...

Bucci, thanks for your answers so quick
I will give a try with IGO whenever possible

Which Nav Software do you use and briefly why?

Hey all,
I've been an avid user of TomTom from V5 upwards. I currently use V7.
I only have experience with TomTom and have always stuck to it as I've had no complaints. Easy to install, easy to customise etc..etc..
I'd like to ask you to vote which you use and why.
PLEASE CAN WE JUST GIVE REASONS AS TO WHY YOU USE WHICH AND NOT START ANY ARGUEMENTS WITH ANY OTHER POST!
Keep your reasons simple and to the point.
Many thanks
Wayne
edit: If anyone has any other nav software they use, I will amend the Poll accordingly.

I have tried Tomtom 7, Navigon and iGO8.
Quickly removed both Tomtom and Navigon when I got iGO8 running. Both of them had much more noticable lag.

Im using TomTom too.... but it does have lag, does igo8 have less?

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Im using TomTom too.... but it does have lag, does igo8 have less?
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MUCH less.

I'm using tomtom, well that is to say I have it on my phone as I have in car satnav, but I use it to scroll through maps etc and find the place I'm looking for prior to getting in the car.
As such I'm not really worried about the lag issue (in fact I don't think I've even used it as satnav since I've had my HD).
I did try IGO8 but I immediately installed the tomtom skin as it's what I'm used to and I like the layout of tomtom.

i' using garmin.i think it better that tomtom.way more options, but guess they all do the same at the send.

TT, even if the last version is not working perfectly on HD 'cause it wasn't designed for it, anyway it's the best and it remain the only one

sat nav
I have the Garmin in my car but atm haven’t got on my phone but I would like to put it on. Can anyone tell me if I can use the software from my car one and if so how do you put it on. Alternatively where do you get the satnav software from and is it special one just for phones.

strange no one mentions about mapking... i'm using mapking though i prefer the background of garmin. but garmin searching can be a real headache

Like the OP, TomTom. I have used several versions over several years. Very easy to use.
There is a lot of scope for personalization and custom of map colour schemes and system menu screens etc.
The supported .ov2 POI files are common and easy to install. Voice alerts area easy to create and install for all POIs including safety cameras.
Having said the above, iGo8 for example has a more comprehensive map set and impressed me when visiting the UAE. I found the display and interface unfamiliar, but I would consider prolonged use with a TomTom skin.

TomTom here as well.
Mainly so I can use my Speed Camera Database.

How poor is that.....ONLY 25.6% (roughly a quarter) of those who voted shared a comment.

If it helps I use Route 66, so I didn't even get to vote

igo is the way to go
i have a Touch HD with both TomTom and Igo8 on, i was trying to use TomTom but found it lagged and was unreliable in getting a fix( a big prob with the HD) but when i put Igo on it worked first time and every time since, and i must admit it looks much better with the topography in 3d mode, its very nice, so i WAS a TomTom fan, but now im a Igo 8 convert.

I use SYGIC (Mc Guider) 7.6 because it´s easy to handle and it works in landscape perfekt.

Ive tried CoPilot, TomTom and iGo8, and I've stuck with iGo. It seems to update the quickest, the instructions are very clear and the display is excellent.

TomTom for me.
My wife bought me a full retail TomTom package a couple of years ago including the software + their GPS device at a total cost of GBP200 (~EUR180). When I (inevitably) upgraded my phone five months later I was unable to transfer the licence to the new machine because I'd gone up a version in WM and my TomTom software wouldn't install. All of that money we'd spent on the retail version was immediately wasted, which was very annoying.
I was forced to find and use a cracked version instead of my legal and perfectly good version simply because TomTom designed their software for one specific operating system and wouldn't do anything to help me.
I have bought lots of legal software for my PC and for my PDAs (and have donated to this site) and fully support the anti-warez policy on XDA-Dev, but out of principle now I will always use a cracked version of TomTom in revenge for TomTom's policy. TomTom will never get another penny from me.

BTW, this is a useful site for downloading free POIs for most software, thought it may be useful!
http://www.poifriend.com/

CoPilot is now listed as compatible with HD:
http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp

Tried Navigon MN 7, iGo 8 and Tomtom 7...
I'm using Navigon MN7, just because it has the nicest look (maps...) when you drive...
iGo 8 is also very nice to use, unfortunately the Tele Atlas maps are not so accurate, compared to the much better NavteQ maps used by Navigon !
And Tomtom, for me, has the World ugliest display when you drive, AND the not so accurate Tele Atlas maps ! IMHO, definitely the worst navigating software you can use... ;-(

iGo or Tom Tom?

What GPS software do you use, and why?

why not Sygic Mobile 2009 ? Works good for me.

Well, I've read that iGo and Tom Tom are the best, but here I wanna see which one do people use... Even if it's not on of those two...

I've tried both and use tomtom as it is better at route planning.
Igo looks nicer though.

i'll gonna install IGO to see how its works.
Sygic looks better then TOMTOM, but TOMTOM is more reliable on the arrival time. (excuse me for my poor English)

For me, i think tom tom is beter

im using igo. i dont know, but it seems to me igo's better in australia

I have both

need to know..
The answer is in the following topics, as both are good NAV tools..
1. Are you into 3D, tweaks, setting up or want an installation once and for all?
2. Do you travel a lot, or want it around home in one or two countries?
3. What are you going to run it on? Touch HD?
4. is TTS important or not ? (text to voice)
Here is my experiance with both...
1. iGO is skinnable, and allows many changes by the user. If you are not into it, than TomTom is more likely to be the one for you. Simple, and to the point.
2. If you tarvel to exotic locations you will soon find out TomTom does not cover the globe as good as iGO. If you travel in urban areas in EU or USA, it makes no difference what you choose.
3. iGO is a memory hog. Even with 100MB free RAm you may ancounter 'out of memory' situations with iGO. TomTom is lean on memory.
4. TTS may not work on touch HD if you try the Leo Manila 2.5 as they collide somehow. Not sure why, but I had to disable T3FD on some roms in order to make TTS work.
So, as you see, it depends what are the needs. Personally I like iGO better because it can become a real 3D navigation tool, with terrain , buildings, etc.. and it is beautiful. I did not find any major difference navigating with TomTom and iGO as far as navigation results, as both get to run the same maps from the same houses.. So I vote iGO because I like it, not because it is better. Answer yourself the questions, and you will get an idea. Both are good options, and not the only ones you can have..

i`m 50/50 on this subject because i can use 1000`s of custom generated poi`s in tomtom that i use for work & igo seems to have a limit unless i put them into seperate catagoreies which is time consuming.
Igo coupled with hypergps (TMC) works well for me but have not manged to work out how to get this working on tomtom, (might not be possible.
so if i had to choose it would be tomtom as it`s faster & not as hungry on system stuff.

Igo
I have Igo8 and work perfekt

BigE said:
The answer is in the following topics, as both are good NAV tools..
1. Are you into 3D, tweaks, setting up or want an installation once and for all?
2. Do you travel a lot, or want it around home in one or two countries?
3. What are you going to run it on? Touch HD?
4. is TTS important or not ? (text to voice)
Here is my experiance with both...
1. iGO is skinnable, and allows many changes by the user. If you are not into it, than TomTom is more likely to be the one for you. Simple, and to the point.
2. If you tarvel to exotic locations you will soon find out TomTom does not cover the globe as good as iGO. If you travel in urban areas in EU or USA, it makes no difference what you choose.
3. iGO is a memory hog. Even with 100MB free RAm you may ancounter 'out of memory' situations with iGO. TomTom is lean on memory.
4. TTS may not work on touch HD if you try the Leo Manila 2.5 as they collide somehow. Not sure why, but I had to disable T3FD on some roms in order to make TTS work.
So, as you see, it depends what are the needs. Personally I like iGO better because it can become a real 3D navigation tool, with terrain , buildings, etc.. and it is beautiful. I did not find any major difference navigating with TomTom and iGO as far as navigation results, as both get to run the same maps from the same houses.. So I vote iGO because I like it, not because it is better. Answer yourself the questions, and you will get an idea. Both are good options, and not the only ones you can have..
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Thanks for the info...
Will try both, but I'll hold on iGo...
Best regards

I can recommend copilot 8, this is the market leader for smartphone navigation anyway and so far has chosen better routes than tomtom 7 used to for me and has a better display as well as being much cheaper as the latest version is a third the price of the previous version or tomtom. Works fine on L26 windows 6.5 rom with manilla 2.5 on the HD too.

HTC will be preinstalling copilot on the new HTC Leo (HD2)..

robsno said:
I can recommend copilot 8, this is the market leader for smartphone navigation anyway and so far has chosen better routes than tomtom 7 used to for me and has a better display as well as being much cheaper as the latest version is a third the price of the previous version or tomtom. Works fine on L26 windows 6.5 rom with manilla 2.5 on the HD too.
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Hi,same thing , since i use copilot v8 , tomtom and others are long forgotten ...

I use NDrive, simple, very fast, flexible.

My 4 experiences:
Tomtom:
+: It's the best for routing. Good POIs. I used it in 4 countries in Europe without ANY problem.
-: It's outdated and very simple.
IGO
+ Very beautifull, shows lots of information, skinable.
- Unestable, needs lots of memory, bad routing, bad POIs.
Sigyc Drive
+ Like tomtom but more updated.
- worse routing than Tomtom.
Ndrive
+ Simple and very clear interface on navitation. Moves VERY soft.
- VERY simple. Shows very little information.
(Sorry for my english)

icecubix2 said:
My 4 experiences:
Tomtom:
+: It's the best for routing. Good POIs. I used it in 4 countries in Europe without ANY problem.
-: It's outdated and very simple.
IGO
+ Very beautifull, shows lots of information, skinable.
- Unestable, needs lots of memory, bad routing, bad POIs.
Sigyc Drive
+ Like tomtom but more updated.
- worse routing than Tomtom.
Ndrive
+ Simple and very clear interface on navitation. Moves VERY soft.
- VERY simple. Shows very little information.
(Sorry for my english)
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Good info... Couldn't agree more.
What about the Copilot 8? I've never used that one.

icecubix2 said:
My 4 experiences:
IGO
- Unestable, needs lots of memory, bad routing, bad POIs.
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Unstable? in what way? I've never had any issues, even after modding the **** out of it and I aint no real pro dev..
Might I add that iGo8 is extremely customizable, examples > http://artwork-igo8.blogspot.com/
My current skin > http://artwork-igo8.blogspot.com/search/label/Kikker Skin
By far the best navigation software I've ever used! properly because of the open system, lot of internet sources for speedcamera's and POI's and modifications.
Its does use a lot of memory, especially when using NASA demographic files, buildings and so on..
P.S. I do NOT work for iGo

I used tomtom, iGuidance and sometimes Destinator