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Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
ashleyhall said:
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.
Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!
Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.
Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?
Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?
HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...
Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....
So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
Sleuth255 said:
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...
Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents
sugardad said:
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked
My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.
ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"
Hi folks,
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6! There is no single ROM that would just offer all the bits and pieces of a full working, polished, feature complete WM6 implementation.
I've been trying all available ROM images (Pdaviet, Mun's, Dopod Official etc) and up to now I haven't been able to find a single solution that would "just work".
On the new Official ROM there is no VOIP support (SIP is nowhere to be found), my Memory-Stick (4gb SDHC) becomes inaccessible from time to time, all the filenames start showing up as strange characters strings and it only goes back to normal after a soft-reset.
I'm sure your mileage may vary but up to now I've had no luck with WM6. Sure it is faster than WM5 but as a software engineer I would not consider it as being more than a beta quality release.
So... any thoughts on:
- Is it possible to get SIP working on WM6?
- Is it possible to get Video calling working?
- What about a stable memory card? (Yes, I've tried TrinityHack)
Best,
M Addario
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HTC P3600
yes
yes
i think so
*lots* of posts on these issues in this forum...
racerx_ said:
yes
yes
i think so
*lots* of posts on these issues in this forum...
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Yes... I know... My questioning is more on "why in hell is an official ROM allowed out when it seems clearly not ready for the end user". Even if there is a way of fixing all the mentioned problems I strongly feel that such basic, obvious things, shouldn't be broken to start with, at least on an official release.
I just hope Mun's Indigo comes as a final solution.
:/
Would it not be better if like the Open Source Community we concentrate our efforts on a single ROM that is considered a good quality base and then improve that to the stage of a polished ROM? At the moment I would vote for:
HTC_Trinity_3.00.07.09.PV.rar
as it is updated more frequently than most. Also we can then add custom packs to the ROMs which people can download e.g.
Base WM6 Rom version (continually updated by the community with minimal pro grammes, whereby each version addresses fixes)
Pack 1 - Office 2007 Apps (6.1)
Pack 2 - 3rd Party Tools e.g. Sprite Backup etc.
Pack 3 - Customizations etc.
You get the picture...
Hawk
addario said:
Yes... I know... My questioning is more on "why in hell is an official ROM allowed out when it seems clearly not ready for the end user". Even if there is a way of fixing all the mentioned problems I strongly feel that such basic, obvious things, shouldn't be broken to start with, at least on an official release.
I just hope Mun's Indigo comes as a final solution.
:/
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dear friend, no offence to you, the cookers in xda-dev are doing it out of passion and for the benefit of fellow recipients like me. Of course they have their own preferences and flavors. if you would like to have YOUR-ALL-IN-ONE, then i think the best way is for you to cook one yourself. if not, then live with what's available. The official-official dopod rom is out for download on the OFFICIAL HTC WEBSITE. i am sure you can find some mirror sites for download.
Keeping it simple...
Nighthawk2050 said:
Would it not be better if like the Open Source Community we concentrate our efforts on a single ROM...
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You see.... I totally get what you mean. Though I don't think that the way to go would be necessarily concentrating on a single ROM version but rather in keeping each one "clean". By that I mean the current biggest problem with all the cooked versions (in my view) is exactly that each developer does what he thinks is best, adding and removing stuff at his will... well... of course they are doing it and they feel like doing it the way they please but when it comes to please everyone else it is almost impossible to keep this track.
It would be SO MUCH easier if the ROMs were provided in the cleanest possible way and alongside with them a pack of CAB files that you could use to add the features you fancy.
By the way... I just noticed that using X-Button to close any app accessing my SDHC memory card causes it to go totally nuts... If I just leave them open everything is OK so it is if I use other task manager to close them (that is using the latest official dopod ROM).
Best,
M Addario
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HTC P3600
addario said:
By the way... I just noticed that using X-Button to close any app accessing my SDHC memory card causes it to go totally nuts... If I just leave them open everything is OK so it is if I use other task manager to close them (that is using the latest official dopod ROM).
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I think I just spoke too early :/ Just left the device alone for a couple of minutes (without closing any app) and when I got back to it the memory card was inaccessible again... F*£!$&@ this :/ Damn...
addario said:
Hi folks,
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6! There is no single ROM that would just offer all the bits and pieces of a full working, polished, feature complete WM6 implementation.
I've been trying all available ROM images (Pdaviet, Mun's, Dopod Official etc) and up to now I haven't been able to find a single solution that would "just work".
On the new Official ROM there is no VOIP support (SIP is nowhere to be found), my Memory-Stick (4gb SDHC) becomes inaccessible from time to time, all the filenames start showing up as strange characters strings and it only goes back to normal after a soft-reset.
I'm sure your mileage may vary but up to now I've had no luck with WM6. Sure it is faster than WM5 but as a software engineer I would not consider it as being more than a beta quality release.
So... any thoughts on:
- Is it possible to get SIP working on WM6?
- Is it possible to get Video calling working?
- What about a stable memory card? (Yes, I've tried TrinityHack)
Best,
M Addario
--
HTC P3600
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If you are a software engineer why dont you make your own rom how you want it. I appreciate the fact that there are developers here that make great roms and then share with the rest of the community.
I´ve also been noting that battery consumption is still crappy...
Yesterday evening I fullt charged the battery, today I have: watched a 1 hour video with Coreplayer using original headphones, made a 8 min. phonecall over normal GSM network, installed (tried to install ) comm managers and dialpads, soft resetted about 5 times and surfed the web for about half an hour. Now I have one bar left on my battery meter...
Is this normal? It seems a very short battery life for me...
IMO the official ROM is ridiculously unstable. A2DP is pure crap, WMP crashes randomly, phone will freeze randomly, ISP settings disappearing after soft reset, general slowness in GPS apps like Navigon, Destinator, IMO lower call quality; just to name a few. I did not have any of these problems with AX3L's ROM or any of the "unofficial" ROMs. I'm flashing back to AX3L's ROM tonight as the crap A2DP is inexcusable!
I'm using Dopod SEA and it has no problems
Hello,
I'm using Dopod ANZ and it has no problems.
But one question for the ANZ Radio :1.46.30.11 what is the difference with the SEA Radio (1.46.0.11) ??
Private69.
@++++
I have a problem with SEA ROM... Caller ID (Name) not detected at all... Only Caller number appear on the screen... Any help?
I had to revert back to AXEL's ROM because of all the freezing the 'official' ROM did to my phone.
addario said:
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6!
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I use the Australian ROM and am happy with its functionality. It does exactly what was expected, considering it is really WM5 with a few enhancements. I think its easy to criticise WM6 for what it doesn't have, but perhaps you should look at the improvements that have been made from previous versions.
Granted there aren't that many (HTML mail probably being the one significant update) but Microsoft doesn't really have any comparable competition with the PDA/Phone market at the moment. Perhaps Apple might inject a bit of competition into it with the iPhone.
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
I'm interested too, and what about Battery usage & Speed (memory usage) ?
thanks
There´s quite a few threads with the same question and the answer is usually the same....Try the roms out.
To me is kind of rude when someone says"this one is better than that one" or stuff like that,because these rom cooks are using their time just for us and they don´t deserve those comparisons.....so like I said give different roms a shot and compare yourself.
bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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WM 6.1. can be managed from System Center Mobile Device Center (see http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/mobile/default.mspx). Thta's a big advantage for the large compagnies
The bluetooth pairing doesn't need the password 0000 toggled in.
Memory & battery usage are still the same.
Going back to WM6
bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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After many efforts to work with WM6.1 and with my apps I finally gave up: for the indevidual (and not companies) there still many bugs comparing to the stable WM6: annoying soft-reset, many apps are well integraded with WM6.1 etc.
Sorry, but I do not see how WM6.1 is better than WM6.
but are any of the roms real 6.1...or just lookie likey?????
i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...
Question about pocket excell and word
I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?
To Simkand
Hi
Iphone ? ha ha ha ha
It's so buggy and you need itunes to use it .......
If you want another interface, try ifonz or another one available here
I use now WM6.1 on 3 devices : a trinity, a blue angel and a smartphone : so far so good
And I am not a big fan of Bill !
iPhone
I bought two 8 Gig iPhones the first day they came out. One for myself, and one for my wife. The very next day, I returned mine (10% return charge).
My wife loves it because it's VERY simple to use, and you cannot mess things up easily. But for me, you have to HACK the PISS out of it to get it to do ANYTHING! It's network is dog slow, no MMS, no GPS, no SD slot, no programs to install, (untill I hacked it), it crashes more often than my WM6 devices, JOBS Locks it down every chance he gets, iTunes SUCKS and crashes Windows! I will admit, the screen and the multi-touch is impressive! It makes a GREAT iPod, but a usable communications tool, it's not.
Even with all the hacks on it, it still does not compare to WM6. WM has litterally thousands of software programs you can use freely for just about anything. I'm sure in time, the iPhone will get closer, but for now, not for me.
My biggest pet peeve was the fact that my appointments would not show up on the main screen when I first turn it on. That's something I insist on with my WM phone.
If you want a great TOY with a fantastic screen, then it's fine.
i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages
simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ...
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Why not trying the new SPB Mobile Shell 2.0?
I am very happy with this.
I apologize for getting side tracked.
iPhone does have a great GUI, it's just locked down making it hard to modify, at least for now.
You are right, WM 6.1 GUI is basically the same. Thanks Bill!
WM 6.1 adds the threaded SMS as mentioned before. It IS slower, but I prefer this layout.
The task manager now shows a LOT more information including running processes, memory consumption, & CPU consumption.
I'm not having any of the problems reported by other users (ie: program incompatibilities, crashes, bluetooth, activesync, etc...), so it's MUCH quicker running on my phone.
Bluetooth is Much more reliable, and simple to hook up (0000 is automatic).
Browsing in File Explorer is Much Quicker.
It might just be me, but my speaker phone seems a bit louder.
Managed Programs as mentioned by Stingray66.
Wireless Lan seems to have less trouble for me. Stays connected without having to set it up constantly.
Just my experiences.
6.1 is perfect for my Trinity, RAM memory avalaible about 25 Mb, A2DP is perfect and direct, without password, multitasking in best way.-
I don´t like the easy touch interface, but in fact, with SPB pocket plus interface is working perfect and with your own custom interface.-
I can see youtube and flash videos, no problem with video and audio files and 100% compatible with Corecodec media player.-
In my own opinion is the best OS for my trinity.-
Thanks Landy.-
cecrops said:
i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.
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I agree and .NET 3.5 can be added too. With the tool of Modaco (.NET Configuration) it's possible to switch between .NET versions and even configure the version for each application.
simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...
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Microsoft Mobile NOOB, too much alcohol or just talking bull****?
Ignore this guy ....
bigfoot said:
I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?
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No, WM6 can have integrated Office 6.1 too.
mbon said:
i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages
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Yep, threaded SMS ... another advantage of WM 6.1
Hi.
What are you all talking about. There is no official WM6.1 for Trinity, all this ROM - is home made. This is just vinaigrette, mess of different ROM, as well as WM6.
Hi All
I made an upgrade yesterday; I previously had the stock HTC rom with Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 2.1, and I hard reset, then upgraded to the official HTC Windows Mobile version 6.5.
Are there any other users who prefer the old version? The phone seemed so much smoother before the upgrade, it almost feels as though the hardware isn't up to the job of running the new version. I even preferred the old black and white Touch Flo menu colours, the colour ones don't look as nice. I don't really see any amazing 'must-have' new features on the OS either - as a result, i'll be 'downgrading' my phone, back to the old ROM 1.19.401.1 later today.
I wondered if there are others who feel the same way, or am I just not giving the new OS time to win me over?
Have a good weekend everyone....
LJ
Glad its not just me then...
Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
Same here. After upgrading, and installing a few programs, I started having stability issues. Nothing serious, but I hadn't noticed that on WM6.1. Also, the battery consumption is higher, the memory consumtion is higher (I've seen it use as much as 85% of memory, which leaves about 40-45Mb free), and TF3D looks like it's half finished.
I've already flashed back to WM6.1. Maybe I'll try again if HTC releases an updated WM6.5, but until then I intend to enjoy my device with the original ROM.
Same here, tho I'll maybe try it again when verizon gets theirs together. After trialing many cooked 6.5's on my old tp I'm not a big fan. I think my tp2 as is, is a very outstanding device.
6.5 was on my TP2 for about 15 minutes. it seemed slower then the Orange shipped 6.1 ROM I've been happy with, but without any benefits. So im back on the Orange ROM.
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
Farsquidge said:
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
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You make a very good point. In my case, the device in question is a standard, stock, UK unbranded TP2 from HTC, so I this scenario does not apply in my case, but I have tried it on a Vodafone UK handset which HAS been HardSPL'ed. Most people who are familiar with the Vodafone UK ROM know that it's plain ugly with one of the worst themes known to man
But yeah, it could indeed be the reason why some people are having problems.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way too though - thanks all for sharing your thoughts. I guess in my case, a lot of it is just down to personal preference - plus, without realising it, the phone already did everything I needed it to, and did it well enough for me - so I don't really know what I thought 6.5 was going to do that would change that.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers all...
You could always turn off the TF3D and other Win 6.5 stuff and have a 6.1-ish homescreen in 6.5
But I love the new interface, it took me about 3 hours to get used to, and now I'd never go back
I'm a fan of 6.1 but it really sucks that all the new tf3d won't work on 6.1. I've come to terms with 6.5.1. I like that version of 6.5 but the regular interface to me just sucks!!
lol - Snap!
Im not overly fussed about TF versions and what not, the device is plainly slower on 6.5
(Stock UK HTC)
GermanGuy said:
Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
Winmo 6.1 v 6.5 on touch pro2
Initially the upgrade was staccatto but a new hard reset fixed that. Wifi turns itself off now but gProfile still works so no worries there. MMS have gone back to early TP 1 mistake of flipping the image by 90degrees for MMS (annoying).
Battery life seems better and the web scrolls better with fingers (or is that me)
Couple of oddities -e.g. Text boxes dont wrap well on web pages. Also i have had to restart more often then 6.1. (tp2 6.1 is the most stable winmo ppc i have ever known)
I shall stick with it for now I think however.
In the end, I believe the phrase "To each his own.." is most appropriate. Some love WM 6.1, some love 6.5 and others absolute hate any official/stock ROM. That's the beauty of the HTC dev community, I think there is something for everyone!
Are they still using that horrible WIDCOMM bluetooth stack/driver on WM6.5 upgrade?
I totally agree with you.
I have downgraded to Orange's stock ROM.... That's the first time I find a stock ROM better than an official or cooked ROM.
It starts using 42% or less RAM
It works "correctly" (stilll has unexplained problems) with BB Connect.
It works fast (of course, there's 58% RAM left for software execution).... and with a few chnages, the GPS is effective.
What I miss from WM 6.5 is just the My Location option that doesn't exist in Orange's ROM.
I'll wait for their official 6.5 ROM and maybe will test it...
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
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So you never really tried 6.1 on the TP2 and don't have a basis for comparison? (obviously 6.5 on the TP2 will work a lot better than on a TytnII, it's a case of apples and oranges).
Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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...Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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You may want to check out this post of mine if you really don't like the color icons that HTC provided...
Power Functions in 6.1
I started a thread, posted in multiple threads, exchanged P.M.s, searched like it was my job and flashed multiple 6.1 variants. The one function, or lack thereof, that was the deciding factor for me was the power saving functionality in the media players response to pressing the power button to turn the screen off to save battery. It would stop the music playback!
My old Herald did this. The Fuze did this. Both on 6.1 Roms. Why the TP2 could not, with the smooth Tmobile stock Rom, I could not understand. I used so many different playes that all worked in the past. My current favorite is Nitrogen. But since I listen to music so much I couldn't have the sreen, even 'dim', for the hours I listen to music. My battery would be dead in no time.
This, ultimately, was the reason for me flashing and sticking with 6.5. If any one has found the magic registry edit or whatever for this fix, let me know.
Do you listen to your music with the speaker? Because my stock 6.1 US TMo TP2 continues to play via headphones just fine after pressing the power button. I'm no audiophile but I could not imagine listening to music on that speaker. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
S
Hey there,
right now I am thinking about getting a new device and there are some questions that keep me awake at night.
1. Are there any news or rumors about the following model of the Touch Pro 2 ?
1.1 When do you expect the follower model of the TP2?
2. As far as I know from going through the respective threads, there is no possibility yet to get BlackBerry Messenger working on the TP2. Is that just a matter of (a bit of) time, or does this require some hardware/server/technical changes from BlackBerry?
Since in (most) German mobile phone stores the devices on display are not working (you can't switch em on), I wanted to ask about the performance of the TP 2.
3. Is the (outdated?) 528 Mhz processor of the TP2 capable of running smooth 3D user interface operations (I think it's called Manila) on the org. WM6.5 ROM?
3.1 While the TP2 comes with the standard WM6.1 ROM, would you recommend to switch to the org. WM6.5 ROM or are there any cooked ROMs which are not too much about customizing, but optimizing performance or overclocking?
4. I couldnt find anything about that on the HTC website, but does the org. WM6.5 ROM include apps like Facebook, Twitter, etc.?
4.1 Does the org. WM6.5 ROM for the Touch Pro 2 include HTC Sense, or more like: does it have the same user interface and functions as the Touch HD2 ROM? And if not, is there any cooked ROM for the TP2 that has all (or some of) those functions and is it working properly/smoothly? (just asking because the HD2 runs on a twice-as-fast 1 Ghz processor).
5. If you have time and feel like answering this: Are there any Apps for the TP2 that make or life easier, increase the performance, simplify the handling,etc.?
I would really appreciate some help on these questions.
Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.
an answer to only some of those questions would be helpful already
1. Here's a page with the supposed HTC roadmap for devices of 2010. Keep in mind these are leaked files; the phones might not be released, or there might be phones that are not on the list that could launch this year.
The last phone mentioned is the HTC Tera. This seems to be a more powerful (600Mhz CPU), yet downgraded TP2 (check out some of the mentioned specs, and look at the picture of the more inferior keyboard). IMO, I don't think it's worth waiting for this!
3. I don't have, nor have I ever tried, the official HTC-released WM6.5 ROM. I'm using a beta-ROM of WM6.5.5, which has the Start button at the bottom left of the screen. The processor is "outdated," especially since it was present on the original HTC TP1 (Raphael).
I have tried the stock-carrier-ROM with WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 for T-Mobile USA (HTC's ROM is also WM6.5 with Manila 2.1) and the Manila UI (the screens with the slider/tabs at the bottom of the screen) was fast.
3.1 Some people prefer not to switch to WM6.5 as it uses more program memory to process all of the graphical changes.
If you look for ark666's Rhodium_AF ROMs in the ROMs section, you might find they look very "stock-ish" but run efficiently.
4. I believe there is Facebook integration in the ROM. Otherwise, you could go into the new WM Marketplace on the TP2 and download the Facebook App for free. Likewise (I think) for Twitter.
4.1 The HTC ROM comes with Manila (aka Sense) 2.1. Sense 2.1 looks something like this (of course, there will be some visual differences, as this is customized).
Sense2.5 is currently official to run only on the HTC HD2. XDA-Developer ROM chefs, however, have ported this to many other HTC devices. Sense 2.5 looks like this. These are usually a little laggier, but not too much. I've loved these "'Leo' ROMs for Rhodium" for 4 months now.
5. There are many apps out there! You would definitely want to have Advanced Configuration Tool as it contains many tweaks.
Here's where you can get apps: 1800PocketPC, WM6software, freewarepocketpc, the WM Marketplace on the WM6.5 (though there's a download to get it on WM6.1) update, XDA-Developers (via searching). You will notice many apps can be found in any -- if not all -- of the links. There are many people who upload the same software on different websites.
Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.
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5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the BB questions, but I've got some other stuff that might be useful...
WMWifiRouter should work for you in 6.1/6.5. They have a time-limited trial version so you can give it a test drive first, I've attached the cab below. However, there's also a free solution available here on xda that may be adequate for you, it's called HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing, details on THIS THREAD. Try 'em both out and see what you prefer...the free one works just fine for me!
The music app you're thinking of is probably Shazam, and it's available in the windows marketplace. There's also at least one other app that claims to do the same thing, but I think Shazam is the more mature and widespread app.
Don-Carlo said:
Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.
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3. & 3.1. Sorry! I meant ark666's ROMs are all WM6.5, but they look close to a stock ROM, and run as efficiently as WM6.1 (so I've been told)!
Build 21889 is WM6.5, which [still] has the Start button at the top-left corner.
Builds with 23xxx, 24xxx, 28xxx are WM6.5.X (X being either 3 or 5). These have the Start button at the bottom-left of the screen, as you can see in the Sense2.1 link I had in my previous post.
Based on that info ^^^ ark666's ROM, WM6.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. While his WM6.5.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. I have yet to try these newly released ROMs, so I cannot comment on them.
4 & 4.1. You can't really notice differences in WM builds, especially since the chefs usually enhance it more. The EnergyROMs are highly customized and have many apps and tweaks already built-in whereas Rhodium_AF ROMs, like I said, are close to stock. The flashing process is very easy and shouldn't take that long, so you should try these ROMs.
However, now that you're asking about the EnergyROMs, you should also check out agent_47's ValkyrieROMs. These are sort of "in the middle" of the EnergyROMs and Rhodium_AF ROMs.
5b. Shazam is okay, but I really use/prefer Midomi (attached).
Hey,...
...sorry to push this thread to the top.
Just a quick question: I just got my new TP2 and saw, that on the back cover, there is no protection glass over the camera. It is just a whole. Is that normal?
I'm just wondering, because thats the first time is see this on a HTC device. I mean it's kinda unconvenient, since dust can get underneath the back cover easily.
**push**
Yes, that's normal.