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Hi,
I would like to use my Hermes as a VoIP device via WiFi. To be more precise, I want to use it seriously, not just to play around. The battery time is neglectible, server-side voip configuration and codes can be adjusted.
So far I have seen Schaps WM6.0 Rom, the Voipwm6.cab's, the voip Drivers .cab and destr0`s cab (I have also tested some overfilled Rom Images with Voip support).
My experience so far has been rather disappointing, laggy connections, no reconnecting after Wlan disconnect, lack of speech codecs. This seems surprising to me, as there are other WM6 based devices, with similiar memory and processor power, being marketed as business-VoIP devices (eg. some iPAQs). So, as far as I understand, it should be possible to enable full VoIP functionality, quality and reliability by chosing the right software.
My question:
Is somebody here using VoIP on a Hermes daily? What setup are you using, which drivers did you install? Are there WM6.1 Voip drivers availible? I do not like this mixing up of different library versions, which seems to be popular with the rom kitchens.
SKYPE MOBILE FIND IT ON THE SKYPE SITE THATS what I always use I have millions of enteries and errands to run and I have to meet political connections in other countries and I know this sounds boring but here I am and I have to use VOIP NO JOKE
since you asked.....
I fooled around with the same issue for several months. While Fring and the newest version of skype for ppc both gave good sound quality, I have given up on the issue because of an unacceptable voice delay (~0.5 ). I once thought the issue was related to my internet provider - my current opinion is that this is due windows mobile issues and inadequate processing power. Calling in to a local voip dial-in access telephone # via my hermes did NOT produce the same voice delay, nor did internet skype calling via a wifi connection from my computer. I also got the voice delay when I tried calling via a 3g/umts cellular connection and when using some Viop software found on this site. Finally, using every phone 'tweak' I could find on the internet also did not improve the voice delay, nor did different 'fast' custom ROMs improve the issue. If you/or anyone else ever solves the problem of voice delay on the hermes, I would love to know how.
I've been testing NCH Express Talk: http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html + this little utility that forces sound output to the earpiece: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
I haven't done much field testing, but the quality is much better than inbuilt VoIP, works ok over 3G and unlike Fring, the communication between you and your VoIP provider is direct.
Thanks for your replies and sharing your experiences. At least now I do not feel like a complete idiot. The strange thing is that when I tried Voip on Hermes the first times (just with VoIP.cab etc). and connecting directly to a normal provider sound quality was really good and the lag was low. Some hours later it has been bad.
As far as I am concerned, I have also tested agephone (gives you a lot of configuration options) and i will test voipsurfer (uses iax) a bit more as soon as i find some time.
I will not give up now. Among other things I want to look at the network settings of the Hermes (packet size etc.) and test with a lot of free memory.
I am going to keep this thread updated, as soon as I find out more.
Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
Voip
Download fring from yr htc install it and insert yr voip account.
It works like charm.
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Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
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I got around the warning by setting up port forwarding on my router. The audio is fine, both directions work, but the lag is still not acceptable.
I bought a Hermes (8525) about 2 weeks ago and have been trying out different voip methods. Here's my bit:
Skype
+Keeps phone from sleeping so you can always be logged in
+Best sound quality from the ways I've tried
+Very cheap rates for US calls and DID
-Very unstable on my device. I constantly have to soft reset when skype runs
-Skype contacts separate from Hermes contacts
-Speakerphone used by default, which causes bad echoing. Torca2 works to route sound to earpiece, but awkward to start/stop. I haven't managed to get audioswitch to work, which would sort things out.
-Must use +1 on calls, and the + is obnoxious to get to
Fring (with skype)
+More stable, and I can use gmail chat!
+Smoother interface (for me) than skype
-Short to medium delay, enough to be a deal-breaker
-Doesn't stop device from sleeping, so calls in don't work
-Fring contacts separate from Hermes contacts
SIP with Home Asterisk/Sisky-Skype Server
+More control over detailed options
+When at home, great call quality with little delay
+WM6 has built in voip support
+Phone automatically logs into wifi networks and connects back to my home server very well, displays status on today screen
+Hermes contacts dial using voip when available
+Easy to build on and add more phones (mobile and landlines) to the system
-Good quality but bad delay (so far) when connecting remotely through the internet
-Tricky to get set up from scratch
-Requires at least one dedicated server, preferably two
-Sisky enterprise software is proprietary ($60, free 30-day trial)
-Voip stops when the device is in standby. There are supposed to be ways around this but at the cost of battery life. Still testing...
I'm going to try the voip with voipbuster or another provider... but that's next weekend. I'm hoping my home asterisk server pans out, but there's a lot of configurations to learn and perfect.
Here's the link for torca2 again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
And audioswitch, which would be a gem if it worked on the hermes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469223
HI
I think about buying a TP2 and i wondering about Skype over the phone data link (Telstra NextG) not Wi-Fi which has been confirmed working.
Thanks
What do you want to know? Yes Skype works over 3G!
according to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532563
"I got it worrking. What's the problem? Only works on WIFI though
(at least I think, never tried diffrent)"
Skype on THE TP2 only work thought the wifi and not the data network link 3G!
So dose Skype on the TP2 work with the data network like Telstra NextG ?
thanks of any help
I believe Skype works on both WiFi and on 3G (HDSPA better I guess). Quarintis says it works ONLY on WiFi, however, he has never tried to use it on 3G. What a way to make a statement.
Be careful though that most carriers do not allow for Skype, streaming media etc over 3G or HSDPA networks. Not even with "unlimited internet" accounts.
HI, I use Skype over 3G. There is no technical problem unless your 3G provider blocks the port!
It works perfectly over the loud speaker and earphones.
However, I can hear well over bluetooth but my own voice sounds like a duck... (clip naro model)
Thanks for your help
phigafr said:
HI, I use Skype over 3G. There is no technical problem unless your 3G provider blocks the port!
It works perfectly over the loud speaker and earphones.
However, I can hear well over bluetooth but my own voice sounds like a duck... (clip naro model)
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Does this mean it works fine also in the Straight Talk mode where you turn the phone over flat on its face?
I make a lot of Skype calls from home over WiFi and I'd love to stop using a PC headset and use a proper phone instead. So with Straight Talk speaker phone + Skype that would be excellent because I can just have it sitting on my desk and don't need to hold anything.
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Does this mean it works fine also in the Straight Talk mode where you turn the phone over flat on its face?
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the activation of the hands free mode by putting the phone upside down on the desk works only in normal calls.
skype per default routes all its audio through the rear loudspeakers. unfortunately their sound gets recorded by the microphne resulting in a massive echo. You probabely dont want to use skype in that configuration. The alternatives are:
1. a bluetooth headset
2. the wired headset that comes with the phone
3. routing the audio through the ear-piece (it is to silent to get recorded by the microphone)
of course none of the 3 options gives you the hands free experience
Anyone know how to make video calls on it (through Wi-Fi)? I cant seem to find the settings for the camera.
Lyian said:
Anyone know how to make video calls on it (through Wi-Fi)? I cant seem to find the settings for the camera.
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You can't find it simply because the current version of Skype mobile unfortunately does not support video calls.
Teksoft AudioRoute
Hi all
AudioRoute by Teksoft alows you to have skype calls come out the phone's earpiece, like a regular call. I think Fring does this automatically. I think they've got a thread here somewhere.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
AudioRoute by Teksoft alows you to have skype calls come out the phone's earpiece, like a regular call. I think Fring does this automatically. I think they've got a thread here somewhere.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Using the cabled earphones, just plug it and it works with Skype.. no need anything else! or do you mean Audioroute helps for bluetooth earpiece?
anybody get skype to work over bluetooth? i downloaded both programs and can't figure out how to get it to work here.
thanks.
i had an xperia and there was a skype version for it that would let you hear the sound from the earpiece, wich is more convenient if you are not using handsfree. See, you can let the sound go trough the speaker, but not always handy if you are in private talk. audioroute works, but it's just not that convenient to switch between the speakers all the time.
So... xperia's version of skype does install on tp2, but when starting the app it says that the tp2 is not an xperia, obviously... so... how to bypass that? anyone?
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anybody get skype to work over bluetooth? i downloaded both programs and can't figure out how to get it to work here.
thanks.
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I have, i buy Jabra BT3030, this have hands free and stereo audio-you need this.
Jabra works with skype good
sorry for my english
dav000, how did you get skype to output sound to the bluetooth? it is not a built in feature to do this.
I've tried using Skype over NextG with my TP2, and have had nothing but extremely awful results. Horrible lag makes any Skype call over the air illegible. The only decent Skype calls I've made with the unit has been over wifi. Basically, it lags so much over Telstra that all you hear is wharblgarbl while it races to catch up. Calls skype to skype over NextG are marginally better.
For that matter, Fring over NextG is also as awful. Simply cannot make VOIP calls over the NextG network with the TP2.
It's a shame, too. With my nokia e51, you could still make Fring calls even if there was about a 2 second delay.
Mileage may vary in the city, though, but certainly not in the parts of Melbourne that I've tried (CBD, Melbourne East). I do live in country Victoria, but NextG here is still tons faster than Edge, but just can't seem to handle Skype. Knowing Telstra, maybe they've blocked the ports.
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dav000, how did you get skype to output sound to the bluetooth? it is not a built in feature to do this.
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Just What I Said, when you have audio stereo bluetooth headset . Than in bluetooth manager you will see :
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8639/grafik1.jpg
All sounds : calls , music, movies are played on headset
Hey guys,
i was wondering if anyone was facing this problem... i have the Alpine 103BT in my car which has an inbuilt parrot bluetooth system. I have noticed that when someone calls me it shows up on the lcd on the headunit then immediately drops the call! it shows up as a missed call on my tp2... but when i call using this bluetooth system then it works like a charm!
Any idea what i can do to change this? Is there a setting i have inadvertently changed?
I would really appreciate this because this call dropping really defeats the point of hands free!
Elfangor
I've got the same problem.
Just look a few posts down the list and you'll notice my 'cry for help'.
So far though, nobody's come to the rescue.
I've been reading that our phones have a unique BT-implementation, so it could be down to a bug in that area. If more people show up having similar issue, we might know.
Until then: fingers crossed and hope for sombody to post a solution.
Great! its not just me then! I hope it gets sorted! it gets on your nerves after awhile!
That's putting it mildly.
This sucks big-time: when on a business-call you definitely don't want your headset to die in you. During any conversation, really, but blasting along the motorway it's the last thing you need.
I also have an alpine 103 bt and an htc touch(elf) with onyx rom on it.
my problem is that when i make a call either from the head unit or the phone on the head unit it stops the music, displays CALLING and then after 3 seconds it displays ------------- , resumes the music, but the phone doesnt hang up. It continues the call, shows that is stil connected but you cant hear anything.
this is really frastrating as it does this sort of thing randomly and not always.
any thoughts?
Your symptoms sound a bit different from ours so it could be a totally different problem.
We might need to be paitient until one of the experts has a simiral experience and dived into the software.
Until then, I'm baffled.
eidikos said:
I also have an alpine 103 bt and an htc touch(elf) with onyx rom on it.
my problem is that when i make a call either from the head unit or the phone on the head unit it stops the music, displays CALLING and then after 3 seconds it displays ------------- , resumes the music, but the phone doesnt hang up. It continues the call, shows that is stil connected but you cant hear anything.
this is really frastrating as it does this sort of thing randomly and not always.
any thoughts?
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Come to think of it... i have a similar problem.. when i get an incoming call it stops the music and registers a call and just a few second later..i get the --------------, and then the music comes back...by the time i fish my phone out of the pocket ive got a missed call! havnt noticed any problems when im calling though.
i tried repairing the phone to the unit but same thing! not sure what else i could do
Similar problem (I think)
Cant get a working setup in my car kit. I have a Jaguar XF SC with bluetooth handsfree...The TP2 (TMO US) pairs and docks fine, but doesnt work well. Incoming calls dont seem to be recognized, and outbound calls will dial and communicate, but wont hangup. When I hang up from the TP2, the car kit still thinks its connected and mutes the radio until i forcebly disconnect from TP2...
arg...
I've got exactly the same problem as the original poster. Mine's a vodafone TP2 with the standard vodafone rom. I've got the Alpine 104BTi. I can make outgoing calls ok but as has been described any incoming call will show the caller ID for about 1 ring and then it hangs up the call.
I've got a Jabra BT500 which works perfectly. I am wondering whether it may be the actual firmware in the Alpine device. If you look at the phone compatibility list on the Alpine website the TP2 is not listed. It worked fine with my Kaiser and this is listed as compatible.
I emailed their tech support and they said they are waiting for their customized version of the firmware from Parrot to be updated, possibly around September. I've noticed that for the Parrot standalone devices these all list the TouchPro2 as compatible, so maybe this will be fixed.
They did mention that the firmware update may only be available through the dealers. I'll keep an eye on their website. My current firmware version is 320.
I've read some other threads somewhere that people with the vodafone rom describe having problems with bluetooth that are fixed after flashing with a different rom so may turn out to be that.
Infuriating though.
It seems to be the poor implementation of the new BT stack
I have had similar problems to those described above, my Peugeot van has inbuilt BT (uses Parrot in implementation) which just misbehaves unbelievably including hanging up the current call if a new one comes in on call waiting, phonebook access is rediculously slow and buggy.
My Jabra BT8010 disconnects at random
My Jawbone disconnects very occasionally
The stack is full of bugs and HTC must know it - I reported it on their support system and firstly fobbed off, then they said they would look into it, then the log was auto closed - very convenient way to show they are meeting targets in resolving issues.
It is poor, poor and more poor. The new WIDCOMM stack looks great but doesnt really work.
Very poor for a flagship handset and they should sort something out
I went to an Alpine delearship who suggested what ukdoc was trying to do.. basically firmware update! Are you using a different Alpine website? Because the one i go to says coming soon on the page where software updates are supposed to be. I culdnt find any connection with parrot and alpine on the parrot website!
Basically what im asking is how are you going to be getting the firmware update and could you direct me towards it!
Many thanks Mate
Elfangor
rlsxda said:
Cant get a working setup in my car kit. I have a Jaguar XF SC with bluetooth handsfree...The TP2 (TMO US) pairs and docks fine, but doesnt work well. Incoming calls dont seem to be recognized, and outbound calls will dial and communicate, but wont hangup. When I hang up from the TP2, the car kit still thinks its connected and mutes the radio until i forcebly disconnect from TP2...
arg...
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FYI, I just upgraded the radio to "4.46.25.24 - HTC" (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939) and the handsfree seems better...not sure it's perfect, but it does answer and hangup now...
Upgrade Alpine CDE-104BTi firmware from 320 to 360
I have just updated the firmware in my CDE-104BTi radio to version 360
http://www.alpine-electronics.co.uk/support/bluetooth-update-software.html
This has fixed the problem of not being able to recieve incomming calls on my HTC Touch Pro 2.
dsalter said:
I have just updated the firmware in my CDE-104BTi radio to version 360
http://www.alpine-electronics.co.uk/support/bluetooth-update-software.html
This has fixed the problem of not being able to recieve incomming calls on my HTC Touch Pro 2.
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I've just done likewise, and can also receive incoming calls at last!
Hi
I just tried updating the BT in my Alpine 104bti. The laptop connects to the headunit but the update tool don't find the connection, I've tried disabling the antivirus etc. But it don't see the connection but the connection is displayed on the laptop.
Any Ideas whats wrong ?
Cheers Gomez...
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Tried again using a laptop with Xp on worked first time, Seems Windows 7 was causing issues.
I have a PC computer in my car that I use for many thing and I want to integrate my phone into it by using a Bluetooth voice gateway to play the sound over the speakers in the car and use a mic to talk into. Obviously since this is the Rhodium forum I have a Touch Pro 2 (by Verizon) running OEM ROM. The PC is running XP SP2 with Widcomm bluetooth stack.
Making calls I have no problems. When I'm in range it connects and when I make a call its flawless. The problem is when I get a call. When a call comes in it rings once then answers without me doing anything. And no its not the auto answer feature on a headset (i know that would be the first reply if i didnt say that). The issue is that even though there is a BT link to the PC the voice gateway doesn't connect until in a call. When i make one it connects when i hit send to dial, when i receive a call it connects when it starts to ring and once there is a connection it answers. It would be bad if im driving and someone calls i dont want to talk to or something and it just answers without me knowing.
I tested this theory with my regular BT headset. I had the headset off and I called the phone and once it started ringing i turned on the head set and sure enough it answered.
My question is how do i get it to hold a solid connection all the time like a normal BT headset would? Or make it not answer once a headset is connected?
I tried using the BlueSoleil BT stack also. This one worked ok once everything was connected but every time I came back in range of the PC or turned the PC on I would have to manually connect the voice gateway again.
Thanks for any help!
Edit: oh yea, also I had the same issues with my XV6800 (Titan) and never got it to work right either.
anyone have any ideas on this?
no one on this forum has tried this other than me?
HI PEOPLE
SINCE I HAVE UPGRADED TO 2.2.2 I'M WITNESSING SERIOUS ISSUES , STARTING OF LAG AND THEN SLOW AND MEMORY AND ETC.
BUT THIS ONE IS DAMN CRAZY , THIS IS BLUETOOTH ISSUE.
AS ALMOST EVERY DEFY HOLDER KNOWS THAT U CAN NOT SEND SONGS AND MUSIC STUFF THROUGH BLUETOOTH , AND U NEED ADDITIONAL APP TO SEND THE FILES.
THE APP IS BLUETOOTH FILE TRANSFER WAS WORKING GOOD BUT NOW SUDDENLY IT STOPS SENDING AND SAYS TRANSFER COMPLETED WITHOUT ANY PROCESS OF IT.
ANY SUGGESTION WOULD BE REALLY APPRECIATED!!!
yes it happenned and now fixed with ES FILE EXPLORER app. and it supports unraring the files too.
this app sending audio files as audio/*.
and it's not making ports for bluetooth. so far succsseful.
it has root options for superiours.
so if u like it just download it from the market.
what happened xda no one has solution for this matter?
everyone checking and no one answering.!!!!!!!!!!?????????????
I just have two suggestions for you:
1. NEVER WRITE ALL CAPS! It's like constantly yelling at someone.
2. Never expect an answer. This is a community of volunteers that help you if they can, not of people that should help you!
Have you wiped your phone? They sometimes say that you should wipe your phone after an update. Give it a try, try to get the phone to a state as fresh as possible.
Cheers!
thanks man ,
i'm on it.
SWAT AXEL said:
I'M WITNESSING SERIOUS ISSUES
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This is not the only BT problem, BT headsets do not work properly either!
I have tested ALL possible ROM's and none work! I now have the famous CyanogenMod 7, latest nightly build and no luck.
BT headsets only work as half-duplex !! Can you fuc'en imagine! WTF?! The other person can not hear your voice, while he speaks or some other backround noise comes from he's end.
I have Jabra Wave, which is awesome and it works with all other phones, Nokia that is. I have read on some forum that this is Motorola policy to prevent use of other than motorola headsets, WTF!!
I'm guessing this problem comes from the BT chip firmware that flashing andoid can not reach or change.
We seriously need a bluetooth firmware patch / hack to DEFY, and other motos as well!
I'm willing to donate some money to who ever can fix this!
[edit]Iqua Smart Badge Bluetooth Headset does not work neither, it keeps beeping 5 sec intervals![edit]
Um.. I have a Nokia stereo headset, works full duplex and plays music in stereo. I've had other issues but now fixed.
I have BT problems with my Audi carkit. Could this be related to the problems you're experiencing?
Sometimes I have disconnects when a phonecall is in progress, sometimes I get an error on my car screen saying that the phone is not supporting some function, but when I try again, it works...
Any ideas?
I contacted Audi, and they are "suggesting" to buy another phone
GunterO said:
I have BT problems with my Audi carkit. Could this be related to the problems you're experiencing?
Sometimes I have disconnects when a phonecall is in progress, sometimes I get an error on my car screen saying that the phone is not supporting some function, but when I try again, it works...
Any ideas?
I contacted Audi, and they are "suggesting" to buy another phone
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Sometimes i have the same problem but we re install bluetooth file transfer and i am ok
Guys thanks for sharing the problems of this issue but so far i can not even send an image or a video through share which is built in the OS.
and regarding the Bluetooth file transfer app it's making it 30 ports for no reason.
and here i am, it's stopped sending the whole files even now i'm trying to wipe the data and reset and it might helps.