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The BEST NON SMS messenger service

Ok so i have tried a few IM services, and i want to know what you folks think is the best one you have used.
I have tried Verichat back in the day but cannot seem to find it anymore
I just had Palringo and HATE it because i am getting spam IMs
I had agile messenger too and it seems to be the best out there.
Hopefully someone has a better suggestion. PLease make sure is does not use your SMS cause i would just use windows messenger but i do not have an unlimited text plan.
Thanks

I guess no one has a messenger service they like

johseph said:
i would just use windows messenger but i do not have an unlimited text plan.
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Do you mean unlimited data plan? Messenger does not use SMS, and I use that and it's flawless.

Nimbuzz. So far, the only one that can tap into Facebook chat, along with bunch of other chat-services, such as Messenger, ICQ, AIM etc.

My favourite IM is "BeejiveIM" the icq function is better then all the other icq IM clients.

Try 'BeejiveIM', the graphics are really amazing but it is for QVGA (still work on WVGA although)

I used to use Nimbuzz and quite liked it, but I've moved to Fring which gives you access to Twitter (which is excellent) and apparently Facebook chat (though I haven't tested this). Free of course.

My favorite you already said you don't like....Palringo
I never get spam ads from it...

BeeJive I had on my TyTn II but cannot get it to work on my HD, Ill try Fring again but i think there was something about it I didnt like, and have not tried Nimbuzz, thanks.

The Android OS

In the past, i've had the Touch Cruise, T-Diamond and the T-Diamond 2.
I've always hated Winmob since it always seemed that only amatures were making apps for it and it was full of bugs.
With the desire in the post I have questions for people that have it already.
Do we think that the Android OS is going to end up killing WinMob? Is it much better? There's lots of talk saying maybe iphone app creators, now they've made some money, are moving to the Android OS to get some of the market and that with the Nexus and Desire making noise, the app market will grow very quickly.
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I've never had an iphone/pod and refuse to get one, however their itunes app store seems like a good idea, does android have one? everyone's talking about the 'market place' thing or whatever, is that an app on the phone that you can shop for new ones on or something (i've never even touched on Android before and been in Afghan for the last 6 months so i've been a bit out of the loop.

Well I have been developing apps for Symbian and Windows Mobile, but I can tell you that Android is a lot more friendly to code in. So I expect that the amount of apps (quality ones ofc) in the market will just grow rapidly.

Yes the "Market" is Androids version of the iPhone app store.

yea..
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Is there any way of getting Windows live on it? I really liked having my mail and msn so easily accessed on my TD2.
Since i've got hotmail i've been told i can't get it so it's pushed to my mail right?

You can link your hotmail to the phone so it automatically retrieves them and i'm not sure about Live Messenger but there are a few apps for it just not sure there is an official one.

Barff1984 said:
yea..
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Is there any way of getting Windows live on it? I really liked having my mail and msn so easily accessed on my TD2.
Since i've got hotmail i've been told i can't get it so it's pushed to my mail right?
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from what i've heard you can sync the desire with hotmail, but i dont think the official win live will work on it, however palringo substitues msn very well

You can use Windows Live Messenger through apps like Meebo, eBuddy and Fring.

cez10 said:
from what i've heard you can sync the desire with hotmail, but i dont think the official win live will work on it, however palringo substitues msn very well
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you can simply set it up as a pop3 mail account

farnsbarns said:
you can simply set it up as a pop3 mail account
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I thought, if you use the free hotmail service, then you can't use pop3?
hense why Microsoft inbox doesn't work with hotmail right?

I think it works, I've read other people saying it worked even though they're on a free account.
I would recommend though you switch to googlemail, it's 10x better than hotmail.
Also congrats on coming back from Afghan.

I dont personally sync my hotmail (I use it as my junkmail account when I have to sign up to things) but my girlfriend syncs with it on her android based htc magic

brummiesteven said:
I think it works, I've read other people saying it worked even though they're on a free account.
I would recommend though you switch to googlemail, it's 10x better than hotmail.
Also congrats on coming back from Afghan.
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why is googlemail so much better ?
at the end of the day, everyone uses msn messenger and windows live mail works great on PC.
not back from afghan yet, got 7 days left. Though time in Bastion is pretty relaxed now for us and we're just counting down the days
It's been a tough 6 months

Barff1984 said:
why is googlemail so much better ?
at the end of the day, everyone uses msn messenger and windows live mail works great on PC.
not back from afghan yet, got 7 days left. Though time in Bastion is pretty relaxed now for us and we're just counting down the days
It's been a tough 6 months
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You just get less spam, everything is managed better, you get more space get to send larger attachments etc.
You can use MSN with a googlemail address you just register it at passport.net

brummiesteven said:
You just get less spam, everything is managed better, you get more space get to send larger attachments etc.
You can use MSN with a googlemail address you just register it at passport.net
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to be honest i dont care bout the size of attachments and the size cuz i know i got lots left anyway, and im not sure about trusting google with emails after the rumours of them reading the emails. lol

anyway so back to the point
is Android here to stay?
or do people think Winmob 7 will be better?

Barff1984 said:
anyway so back to the point
is Android here to stay?
or do people think Winmob 7 will be better?
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for me as a normal user/ graphic designer windows phone 7 is a total failure, it looks like a candy for twit-facebook addicts having trouble with their sight needing big buttons text etc.
definitely prefer droid and winmo6.5

Android will stay, WM7 will have to prove itself, and it will be difficult cuz it will be too locked (just like iCrap) it will be hard for WM7 to gain market shares at the beginning considering that the platform will be brand new (very different than other WM) and with the bad reputation the WM brand generated through out the past years.
I can easily say android is a very safe choice right now

"My first 10 days with Windows Phone 7"

I found this post on WP Central from a user by the name of "StrkerGT" and I have to agree with his findings and needs.
StrykerGt:
I jumped on the wagon on November 8 and got the Samsung Focus. I sold my iPhone 4 and I decided to keep it knowing that there are a lot of things missing on this OS but I know (if Microsoft really cares) will fix as soon as possible… Here is my list on the things that I consider missing in the telephone. I put them in order of FIX THIS NOW!!! to what I like in the future.
FIX THIS NOW!!!!!!!
• Visual Voicemail – Whoever decided to release the OS to the market without this should get fired right now! Come on Microsoft it is 2010 (almost 2011) this feature alone makes the phone look outdated. Please fix this a.s.a.p. I love to show off the telephone until someone asks to see the vm. This is inexcusable on this type of smartphone. Shame on you Microsoft!
• Global Address List - we have an Exchange Server 2003 (We have plans to upgrade to 2010 next year) in my company and it’s a pain to look for the contacts. Try to tell your boss about how awesome is the Windows Phone 7 OS and then tell him that in order to access the contacts on the GAL he has to put the address manually! This is something like the Visual Voice that has to be fixed now!
• HTML 5 – When I noticed that Microsoft put an already obsolete version of IE on the new Windows Phone 7 software without support for HTML 5 I said like in the WP7 ads, “Really?!” How come Microsoft that is telling everywhere that they are committed to HTML5 didn’t include it on the WP7 OS. Again, Microsoft, Really?!
• VPN Support - again come on!
• Marketplace Search – Hey Microsoft how about this, on the Marketplace put an option in Bing to filter what you want like apps, music etc. I hate to do a search for an app and get a bunch of other stuff like album, artist, song etc. The way you do it on the games hub is excellent please do the same in the Zune hub. I don’t go to the Zune hub to look for apps.
• Some kind of multi-tasking is much needed on this telephone Microsoft, get to work on this.
• SkyDrive Access I love the Skydrive concept but is completely ridiculous that I can put the files on the cloud but there is no way to access my documents directly on the phone. Something like Dropbox would be great.
• A favorite list for your contacts is a must, I really like the way this phone organize the contacts, but you always have that special list with contact you use more like family, friends etc. I don’t like to scroll to several work and business contacts to get what I need.
• Back Up/Restore – Please do something quick about this, there is no way to back up your settings, saved games, outlook configuration (certificates) downloaded apps etc. You have to re-download and re-configure everything every time that you reset your phone.
• Save Camera settings – It’s absurd to set everything every time that you use the camera. I feel like I have to put a flash bulb every time that I use the camera.
The things I want to see soon:
• I noticed that the telephone only vibrate once when you get a phone call. This is not good Microsoft. It should do both in case you have your telephone in the pocket or in a place with too much ambient noise.
• I’ll like to see the battery percentage on the notification bar. (I know the telephone already shows that information through one of the hacks but it will be great if I can see it easily.)
• Easier way to find the IP and MAC address. Again, (I know the telephone already shows that information through one of the hacks but it will be great if I can see it easily.)
• Add vibration to the Alarms
• Disable keys when playing games or at least pop a menu asking if you want to quit the app like the Facebook app.
• Run downloaded app directly from Marketplace
• Open file from any applications - example, open PDF files from Homepipe
• Unified Inbox or a mail Hub
• IE Address Bar in landscape mode
• Answer phone call when swipe up the lock screen
• Drop-Down notifications
• Outlook notifications (notification bar at the top, i.e. like receiving text messages)
• Volumes controls for Music, Notifications, Games, Alarms, etc.
• Market Place updates need to show what the update changes are.
I think that’s all for now, I’m planning to keep this phone because I know that this platform has a lot of room to grow but there are some things that have to be addressed now to put this platform on par with what other are already offering.

wsantiagow, your list is interesting and I agree with the vast majority of your points.
Especially this one:
wsantiagow said:
• SkyDrive Access I love the Skydrive concept but is completely ridiculous that I can put the files on the cloud but there is no way to access my documents directly on the phone. Something like Dropbox would be great.
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But I think most of them are on the way.... (I hope so)

wsantiagow said:
• Global Address List - we have an Exchange Server 2003 (We have plans to upgrade to 2010 next year) in my company and it’s a pain to look for the contacts. Try to tell your boss about how awesome is the Windows Phone 7 OS and then tell him that in order to access the contacts on the GAL he has to put the address manually! This is something like the Visual Voice that has to be fixed now!
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Mine works just fine. If you hit the search button in the People Hub you have an option to search the Exchange server. The same option appears when you're addressing an email message. We use Exchange 2007. Maybe it's 2003 that doesn't support it.

jeffgeno said:
Mine works just fine. If you hit the search button in the People Hub you have an option to search the Exchange server. The same option appears when you're addressing an email message. We use Exchange 2007. Maybe it's 2003 that doesn't support it.
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No 2003 does not support it. Only 2007 and 2010 does.

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• I noticed that the telephone only vibrate once when you get a phone call. This is not good Microsoft. It should do both in case you have your telephone in the pocket or in a place with too much ambient noise.
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"Really?"
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Visual voicemail as #1 missing feature? Really? What does it even do? I have an iPhone 4 at this time, and don't notice anything special about voicemail here. Am I stupid or what?

vangrieg said:
Visual voicemail as #1 missing feature? Really? What does it even do? I have an iPhone 4 at this time, and don't notice anything special about voicemail here. Am I stupid or what?
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WiKi - "Visual voicemail is voice mail with a visual interface. Such an interface presents a list of messages for playback and may include a transcript of each message."
You may not notice anything special about it but try having a telephone that does not support it and you are trying to find a message from 100 voicemails. Non visual voicemail phones have to dial a number to get your messages and go one by one to find the one you are looking for.

wsantiagow said:
WiKi - "Visual voicemail is voice mail with a visual interface. Such an interface presents a list of messages for playback and may include a transcript of each message."
You may not notice anything special about it but try having a telephone that does not support it and you are trying to find a message from 100 voicemails. Non visual voicemail phones have to dial a number to get your messages and go one by one to find the one you are looking for.
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Funny how we survived before visual voicemail was available...

efjay said:
Funny how we survived before visual voicemail was available...
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Yeah and it's even funnier how we survived before smartphones were available...
Thanks to the op for post this here.

StrykerGT said:
Yeah and it's even funnier how we survived before smartphones were available...
Thanks to the op for post this here.
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I believe here in the US visual voicemail is a carrier feature. T Mobile has it and my wife and I hated it. Some people love it, but we are not two of them.

addicus said:
I believe here in the US visual voicemail is a carrier feature. T Mobile has it and my wife and I hated it. Some people love it, but we are not two of them.
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I'm on T-Mobile. How do you get visual voice mail?
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Maybe it is a carrier feature because I don't have anything of the sort on my iPhone here. I can get a text message notifying me about who just left a voicemail and a number to tap and listen to the thing. Can't imagine when this wouldn't be enough. Rarely even have voicemail on - if I'm not available people text me, send emails, or use a gazillion of other methods to keep in touch.
Guess the love for answering machines is just a local US thing.

addicus said:
I believe here in the US visual voicemail is a carrier feature. T Mobile has it and my wife and I hated it. Some people love it, but we are not two of them.
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Are Windows phones 7 right now with this feature on other carriers? EU or in the US? If that true then I'll change the list and put the blame on AT&T. I just hate to have to dial a telephone number hear a recorded message with options, press key to hear the voicemail in sequencial order press more keys to delete o hear it again. This is ridiculous, its the same method of any cheap flip phone out there since the last 15 years. AT&T support this on the iPhone since day one so I don't see why they won't allow it for this telephones.

vangrieg said:
Guess the love for answering machines is just a local US thing.
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On the contrary, I hate them, that is why I don't want to go through one everytime I get a message.

hicube said:
I'm on T-Mobile. How do you get visual voice mail?
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Should be preloaded on your HD2 if you still have the stock rom, otherwise you need to find a cab for Windows Mobile, however if you have Android on your HD2, then it should be in the market place under Visual Voicemail, has a magenta colored logo

StrykerGT said:
On the contrary, I hate them
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Just turn voicemail off completely then.
Trust me, your life will only be better. Those who really need to tell you something or have you call back will easily find a way to communicate. Those who just waste your time won't do it.

wsantiagow said:
WiKi - "Visual voicemail is voice mail with a visual interface. Such an interface presents a list of messages for playback and may include a transcript of each message."
You may not notice anything special about it but try having a telephone that does not support it and you are trying to find a message from 100 voicemails. Non visual voicemail phones have to dial a number to get your messages and go one by one to find the one you are looking for.
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$2.99 a month for this on Vzw ? I guess I'll stick with the old method.
After insurance, Data, text messages, taxes and all the other crap vzw charges me with...

I like my Focus but the iPhone 4 kicks it ass in every way except reception. I can't imagine Microsoft is sitting on it's collective hands doing nothing and hopefully there's an upgrade that's pretty inclusive of everything you've mentioned, hopefully it's soon and hopefully we don't get jerked around by the carriers again, as usual. Patience is a virtue, especially when you own the latest and barest. That having been said, however, with a little more than 2 weeks left to evaluate the Focus, I think I'm keeping it and selling the iPhone, the main reason being potential. The iPhone is close to running out of steam while WP7 has a huge amount of potential.

wsantiagow said:
WiKi - "Visual voicemail is voice mail with a visual interface. Such an interface presents a list of messages for playback and may include a transcript of each message."
You may not notice anything special about it but try having a telephone that does not support it and you are trying to find a message from 100 voicemails. Non visual voicemail phones have to dial a number to get your messages and go one by one to find the one you are looking for.
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Why would you even want to save 100 voicemails? Listen to voice mail......delete voice mail.

TomH123 said:
Why would you even want to save 100 voicemails? Listen to voice mail......delete voice mail.
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Often for business you need it as "proof"...at least with the company and customers I work with...

IE problems

So more or less I enjoyed the WP7 browser.
But than I experienced annoying limitations:
1. It doesn't support my banks online banking! Opera Mini can do it, Android browser can do it but IE can't!!
2. IE cannot open this page, what a fckn letdown:
www.kueng-blockfloeten.ch/en/index.php

I don't know if it supports your country and bank, but I use PageOnce for all my financial tracking on the phone. It's much nicer than fiddling with a mobile site.

jeffgeno said:
I don't know if it supports your country and bank, but I use PageOnce for all my financial tracking on the phone. It's much nicer than fiddling with a mobile site.
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Sweet but I talk about bank operations, not finance tracking.

doministry said:
Sweet but I talk about bank operations, not finance tracking.
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I have no problem with online banking in the US, I'm not sure if it makes a difference if you set the browser to show mobile or full sites.

jeffgeno said:
I don't know if it supports your country and bank, but I use PageOnce for all my financial tracking on the phone. It's much nicer than fiddling with a mobile site.
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Ok I tried to use this nice app.
It even found my bank but first asks for my ID and password what is something
I don't get because things I use to login to my bank are different.
But whichever option I use it tries to connect but than asks me idiotic questions like my first schools town. I give the correct answer but this crap says it is wrong.
So how to use it?! Looks as useless as IE in this regard

Another IE letdown:
I doesn't display my private messages on this forum!
I start to be more and more disappointed.

Google Allo- anyone use it?

Just wondering if there are users out there. At the moment I use Verizon's Message +

Until Google gets with the program and adds SMS support, nope. Not many people want to have two or more messaging apps. It's sad too, I would definitely use it if it supported SMS. I was one of the millions of people who downloaded it when it was released only to be disappointed, heavily. I think they'll port at least some of the functionality to Android Messages though. They've already added Gif and search support, and smart replies is apparently coming soon too. So, whatever. If they add assistant to AM I'll be plenty happy.

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Until Google gets with the program and adds SMS support, nope. Not many people want to have two or more messaging apps. It's sad too, I would definitely use it if it supported SMS. I was one of the millions of people who downloaded it when it was released only to be disappointed, heavily. I think they'll port at least some of the functionality to Android Messages though. They've already added Gif and search support, and smart replies is apparently coming soon too. So, whatever. If they add assistant to AM I'll be plenty happy.
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Thanks, I guess I'll stay put.

pbman1953 said:
Thanks, I guess I'll stay put.
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Yeah, last time I checked, I had like 3 friends that use it. Not enough by far for me to want to use it. Check out Android Messages. I personally like it the best out of all that I've tried. There's another thread on here somewhere with other messaging apps that people like.

Does it work with Wifi, because Messages+ works like Whats app on Wifi

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Does it work with Wifi, because Messages+ works like Whats app on Wifi
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Yeah it does. I personally love Allo. I was stuck on my iPhone for awhile because I loved iMessage but every since I've been using Allo it made the transition a lot easier.
Most of my friends use it so that's a plus. If none of my friends were on it then I probably wouldn't use it as much.

Goog1e Phone said:
Yeah it does. I personally love Allo. I was stuck on my iPhone for awhile because I loved iMessage but every since I've been using Allo it made the transition a lot easier.
Most of my friends use it so that's a plus. If none of my friends were on it then I probably wouldn't use it as much.
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You and your friends are in a very small minority of Allo users. I have more friends that use Hangouts (just 1 lol) than Allo. As mentioned before, until it supports SMS, then no one in the U.S. has a reason to switch. And all other countries get more functionality from WhatsApp already so they wouldn't switch anyway. Allo is pretty much doomed to fail.

My wife has an iPhone, and I will never use one, so we use Allo. I like that it's cross platform

They need to add SMS fallback and make Allo the default messaging app (get rid of Android messages or put Allo features into Android messages). Once that's done, it will gain adoption. I think these days, it's foolish to have a messaging app optional to use. iMessage works because everyone on the iOS platform can use it immediately.

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They need to add SMS fallback and make Allo the default messaging app (get rid of Android messages or put Allo features into Android messages). Once that's done, it will gain adoption. I think these days, it's foolish to have a messaging app optional to use. iMessage works because everyone on the iOS platform can use it immediately.
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AND they don't have a choice. iOS doesn't allow any 3rd party apps to handle cellular based calls or text messages.

PuffDaddy_d said:
AND they don't have a choice. iOS doesn't allow any 3rd party apps to handle cellular based calls or text messages.
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But making it the default (exactly like Chrome) would be a good thing, because 70% of people will use the default app because they simply don't know any better and don't care.
The other 30% care and can easily augment or switch apps, but adding SMS and making it at least the initial default would be the smart play. However, being the smart and obvious 'solution' to the whole ****show that is Android messaging pretty much decisively means Google won't even consider it.

Google voice basically has me locked to hangouts #shrugs

For all the good stuff they do for the OS in terms of usability, etc, i just don't get why they can't get their act together on a simple messaging app

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For all the good stuff they do for the OS in terms of usability, etc, i just don't get why they can't get their act together on a simple messaging app
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It's because Google has given up on merging SMS with Allo and is betting on RCS technology to be the solution going forward. Too bad only Sprint has it and doesn't work between different carriers. Ugh!

Until I can use it for sms....it stays off my phone.
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I use it on the regular but not with a lot of people. I stick to that and SMS currently

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It's because Google has given up on merging SMS with Allo and is betting on RCS technology to be the solution going forward. Too bad only Sprint has it and doesn't work between different carriers. Ugh!
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And it's the DUMBEST thing! I could definitely see if ALL of the US carriers (as well as a lot overseas of course) were planning on rolling out RCS within MONTHS of Allo's release, but no one but Sprint has even announced that they are working on it to my knowledge. Sooo, it's, hey, use our app and don't let it die for literally YEARS while we wait for carriers to adopt this new standard. We don't want to go backwards and use SMS... Brilliant
The team lead has left Allo (and Google I think), sooo, maybe the new person won't have their head up their @$$? Wishful thinking I'm sure.
It's such a shame, I would love to be able to use Allo.

It is useful for sharing videos and pictures to users on Sprint and at&t as they will not transmit die to those networks size limitations on mms.
And even on Verizon and TMobile which do not seem to have a limit on the size of pictures.
Allo allows you to send files as large 200mb. Telegram allows up to 1GB or 2GB per file.

smartymcfly said:
It is useful for sharing videos and pictures to users on Sprint and at&t as they will not transmit die to those networks size limitations on mms.
And even on Verizon and TMobile which do not seem to have a limit on the size of pictures.
Allo allows you to send files as large 200mb. Telegram allows up to 1GB or 2GB per file.
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I thought all major networks had a 1mb limit

PuffDaddy_d said:
I thought all major networks had a 1mb limit
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I can send full size photos to people on TMobile and most people on Verizon. There has only been one person that I know on Verizon has trouble receiving mms from me.