Hey all,
I am posting this as an independent thread to be sure it gets some visibility. If an admin judges it should be put into the main LVSW thread, then he is welcome to move it within the LVSW thread. However I'm pretty sure I stumbled onto something that can prevent a lot of pain for some people.
Here is the scenario which occurred to three different people:
- SuperCID device.
- LVSW full version is installed with no problem => SPL 1.09
- Downgrade to any Official ROM using the provided normal RUU. Flashing goes 100% fine, not a single problem
- But upon reboot, we have a brick: Corrupted CID, SPL 1.09, No GSM, and depending on the Official ROM flashed KITL or no KITL (if the former, recoverable through hours of work with Platform Builder, if the later, unrecoverable). Since the flashing went 100% fine, that's weird, to say the least.
This same identical scenario has generated three bricks thus far:
- myself, repaired after a sleepless night spent on Platform Builder (my gratitude goes to Allan's most excellent post)
- lebogus, complete brick, no KITL, unrecoverable
- otto26, KITL, recoverable with Platform Builder
IMHO, three cases like that is too much to be a coincidence, especially after a 100% problem-free flashing of an official ROM.
Therefore, to anyone wishing to downgrade from a full version of LVSW (with SPL 1.09), he should make sure that before downgrading, he replaces the 1.09 SPL with Olipro's Hard-SPL to be sure that even if this scenario repeats itself, he doesn't have to go through Platform Builder.
I hope this thread won't be judged to be abusive and misplaced, if so I apologize.
Anyway maybe this will help someone.
Cheers
Yannick
Cuivienor said:
Hey all,
I am posting this as an independent thread to be sure it gets some visibility. If an admin judges it should be put into the main LVSW thread, then he is welcome to move it within the LVSW thread. However I'm pretty sure I stumbled onto something that can prevent a lot of pain for some people.
Here is the scenario which occurred to three different people:
- SuperCID device.
- LVSW full version is installed with no problem => SPL 1.09
- Downgrade to any Official ROM using the provided normal RUU. Flashing goes 100% fine, not a single problem
- But upon reboot, we have a brick: Corrupted CID, SPL 1.09, No GSM, and depending on the Official ROM flashed KITL or no KITL (if the former, recoverable through hours of work with Platform Builder, if the later, unrecoverable). Since the flashing went 100% fine, that's weird, to say the least.
This same identical scenario has generated three bricks thus far:
- myself, repaired after a sleepless night spent on Platform Builder (my gratitude goes to Allan's most excellent post)
- lebogus, complete brick, no KITL, unrecoverable
- otto26, KITL, recoverable with Platform Builder
IMHO, three cases like that is too much to be a coincidence, especially after a 100% problem-free flashing of an official ROM.
Therefore, to anyone wishing to downgrade from a full version of LVSW (with SPL 1.09), he should make sure that before downgrading, he replaces the 1.09 SPL with Olipro's Hard-SPL to be sure that even if this scenario repeats itself, he doesn't have to go through Platform Builder.
I hope this thread won't be judged to be abusive and misplaced, if so I apologize.
Anyway maybe this will help someone.
Cheers
Yannick
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I don't think this thread abusive, but can help noob users. Really the HardSPL must convert in "the standar" for upgrading to WM6 in cooking. If someone cook any WM6 ROM, HardSPL must be part of package...
So thanks for your advice.
Heres a quick guide to flashing HardSPL to help users on the way.
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Heres a quick guide to flashing HardSPL to help users on the way.
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Goooood work, man.....
Now lets the cookers to include HardSPL into his cooked ROMs to get the maximun protection against dead hermes...
jcespi2005 said:
Goooood work, man.....
Now lets the cookers to include HardSPL into his cooked ROMs to get the maximun protection against dead hermes...
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Dears,
Black 1.2 now comes bumdled with Oli's 1.13.Oli Hard SPL for securiry measures and to avoid bad block problems.
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Dears,
Black 1.2 now comes bumdled with Oli's 1.13.Oli Hard SPL for securiry measures and to avoid bad block problems.
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This is the correct way.... thanks
I think you're talking out your bloody arse frankly.
I have no idea how you managed to **** up your radio, but that's what you've done, something definitely went tits up and I don't really think it's lwvs's fault unless he disassembled the radio and edited the bloody thing to deliberately corrupt a flash
jcespi2005 said:
I don't think this thread abusive, but can help noob users. Really the HardSPL must convert in "the standar" for upgrading to WM6 in cooking. If someone cook any WM6 ROM, HardSPL must be part of package...
So thanks for your advice.
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Thanks for letting me know I was just pretty unsure of where to put my message and whether it deserved a full-fledged thread...
Anyway I'm glad this can be of help and I hope it won't disappear too quickly into the depth of this forum (not at least until LVSW includes Olipro's bootloader...)
Yannick
I'm going to post a rom of lvsw 3-20 that includes oli's 1.13 BL and the OS with extra ram ONLY. No radio, no IPL, no extrom. hang tight, I'm uploading now
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I think you're talking out your bloody arse frankly.
I have no idea how you managed to **** up your radio, but that's what you've done, something definitely went tits up and I don't really think it's lwvs's fault unless he disassembled the radio and edited the bloody thing to deliberately corrupt a flash
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OK if so I'm sorry. It's just that three apparently successful flashings of official ROMs ending up in bricks look strange to me. Maybe it's theoretically impossible and it must mean that there was some external reason. But you have to admit that three times the same scenario within the last 2 days is an improbable coincidence.
I am not blaming lwvs by the way, his ROM is most excellent, I loved it, but needed to downgrade because of a problem I had with some of my software (WM6's fault, not lwvs's).
As said, maybe it's a completely external reason. Who knows? What I care about is that I noticed it happened following this scenario several times in a very short span. Make what you will out of it.
Just see it as a warning, and anyone is free to do as he or she wishes.
Cheers
Yannick
LegolasTheElf said:
I'm going to post a rom of lvsw 3-20 that includes oli's 1.13 BL and the OS with extra ram ONLY. No radio, no IPL, no extrom. hang tight, I'm uploading now
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URL please for the wiki ?
LegolasTheElf said:
I'm going to post a rom of lvsw 3-20 that includes oli's 1.13 BL and the OS with extra ram ONLY. No radio, no IPL, no extrom. hang tight, I'm uploading now
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Thanks for your work.. sure this help more than one...starting with me
I had exactly the same problem, going from lvsw to an older official wm5 rom.
All went fine, 100%, reboot and NO GSM.
Recovered with KITL.
@jpvdb Did you install OS only, or the full package?
Gotta ask, when downgrading to WM5 obviously this will flash a new SPL, Radio and OS to the device correct?? Because by the sounds of it people are using the full RUU package and not splitting into seperate nb files)
So firstly if it is 1.09 this WILL NOT be downgraded, and if the radio being flashed is of loader 0107 could this be the reason?
Since Most people now have a radio version with loader 0108 this might be the reason behind it??
If im GROSSLY incorrect please correct me right now (im after some of that olipro charm!!!! )
jpvdp said:
I had exactly the same problem, going from lvsw to an older official wm5 rom.
All went fine, 100%, reboot and NO GSM.
Recovered with KITL.
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I've done the downgrade twice without any problem. I am now back to 3-20 version. In case it helps to identify the problem, I have used Hard-SPL every time and I have flashed the different components separately.
I stayed with radio 1.35.00.11 and I only flashed the different OSs (extracting them from original ROMs when needed). No problems at all.
New ROM download!
I have created a lvsw 3-20 that installs ONLY Oli's 1.13 BL and OS with Extra ROM Storage ONLY!
Get it from here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/22731195/lvsw3-20.with.oli1.13.and.os.with.extra.ram.only.rar
** Please note, if you already have Oli's 1.13, choose 1.11 and HARD. **
** Thanks goes to the_passenger for creating the extra-ram version of the OS! Works like a champ on my two devices
@mrvanx: correct, we are talking about full upgrades and downgrades. Your point is pretty interesting by the way, and it seems that mfabre's case goes in the way of this theory. But indeed you should wait for Olipro's expert opinion
@LegolasTheElf: talk about reactivity... You rule, man!
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URL please for the wiki ?
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Already done!
LegolasTheElf said:
...Rom: WM6! LVSW 3-20-07 WARNING!! Don't install LVSW radio! Use this instead! See this thread for more info!
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....If you installed the entire rom that lvsw posted, it seems like the radio has been modified and it's causing issues. This update will prevent bricking of your phone when you go to change the radio.
However, if you only installed the OS and have NOT installed lvsw's radio, this is a useless upgrade unless you want the increased ROM storage.
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I think it is a tad premature to announce that there is a problem with the LVWS ROM sir. It is more than likely that the problems experienced are due to people trying to reflash an old SPL, and a radio with loader 0107 (which CANNOT be downgraded).
I would recommend removing the line from your sig since we have only reports of THREE cases of this happening. We dont want to cause alarm to people who have been running this ROM without any problems.
Related
I looked around and did not see a clear answer to the question of reverting/flashing back to WM5 if desired after flashing one of these WM6 ROMS.
Does anyone know where I can find the answer?
Thanks in advance.
I too have looked around but haven't asked for fear of being flamed. The gurus think that we should be able to pick up on all the lingo and have a clear understanding of what everything means.
I am looking for a way to go back to a shipped ROM from anything after flashing SPL 1.11 in case I need to warranty exchange my Cingular 8525. I have yet to figure out how to do it.
euth said:
I too have looked around but haven't asked for fear of being flamed. The gurus think that we should be able to pick up on all the lingo and have a clear understanding of what everything means.
I am looking for a way to go back to a shipped ROM from anything after flashing SPL 1.11 in case I need to warranty exchange my Cingular 8525. I have yet to figure out how to do it.
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Yes. You can go back to WM5 from WM6. I have done it before with no problems. Your answer is once again yes!
I will not flame you but look harder.
wildbilll said:
I looked around and did not see a clear answer to the question of reverting/flashing back to WM5 if desired after flashing one of these WM6 ROMS.
Does anyone know where I can find the answer?
Thanks in advance.
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I am feeling kind tonight!
Look here:- http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
You two rookies need to stop by:
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
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Hope the hint helps
Oh dear
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_UpgradeFAQ
And the gurus have used plain english too! wow!
...but just to let You know..
once You go black (2.5 ), You will never go back...
hi there
first of all, I am no expert in the ROM related knowledge, but i did go back to WM5 from WM6 recently. The reason I have gone back to WM5 it is because I am suspecting the Chinese viewer (CE-Star) that i used does not work good in any flavor of WM6, it causes frequent lock-ups in WM6 that makes my phone pretty much unusable.
Besides, i don't mind to share my experience for downgrading to WM5, the following is my up and down sequence.
1. upgrade from Dopod WM5 rom to WM6 cooked rom
2. upgrade to SPL 1.40
3. upgrade radio to 1.38.00.11
4. upgrade radio to 1.40.30.00
5. upgrade to SPL 2.10
6. downgrade SPL from 2.10 to 1.40
7. downgrade from WM5 Rom (It is some sort of HTC Standard WM5 Rom that my friend gave me, and my radio has gone back to 1.38.00.10 as the ROM comes with it.
8. upgrade to SPL 2.10
9. upgrade to Radio 1.40.30.00
Also, you may check out mrvanx's guide for downgrading to WM5 here.
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
bronx said:
...but just to let You know..
once You go black (2.5 ), You will never go back...
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actually... i'm on black 2.5 and thinking of going back... too many apps are wiggin out on wm6
I actually just did it. I was running the latest version of HardSPL, flashed to the new ATT ROM, and then created a updater to flash the SPL to the ATT spl.
Wasn't hard, and only took a few minutes. So, as of right now, my phone is running the new ATT ROM, and if I need to warranty it, I'm all set.
in the wiki it mentions..
If your vendor has released you original rom as a shipped upgrade, you just need to flash it.
If your vendor has not released any ROM upgrade yet, you cannot fall back to original ROM easily. You'll have to reconstruct the ROM out of a dumped ROM.
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I'm using 838pro, what about the ROM which available to download from the dopod company website.
does it safe to just flash from it or do I need to repackage the ROM..?
thank you.
crabwalker said:
The reason I have gone back to WM5 it is because I am suspecting the Chinese viewer (CE-Star) that i used does not work good in any flavor of WM6, it causes frequent lock-ups in WM6 that makes my phone pretty much unusable.
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if you only want to read chinese, but not input, there is an alternative to it. look for a cab which is named 'sunglobe.ttf register patch'.
Maybe the easiest way
First thing I would want to do is to Flash the unit to what is known as a "Hard SPL". For some reason it makes all the other flash work go a lot more smoothly. You can get instructions and software for that at:
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php...ask=view&id=40&Itemid=26&limit=1&limitstart=2
Once that is done, and it should take about 5-10 minutes depending upon the speed of your computer and USB connection, you can load whatever OS rom you desire.
You can get a carrier agreeable rom from the Cingular/ATT site:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/8525/software-downloads.html
Or, and this should work, just link directly to the rob by clicking:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/d...R_WWE_2.15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship.exe
This should leave you at the latest and greatest of the WM5 packages from Cingular/ATT, and all should be well. And . . . if it hozes . . . which it should not, you should have no warrantee issues since you were trying to flash the upgrade that THEY were providing you. :-D
Laters,
d1eter said:
in the wiki it mentions..
I'm using 838pro, what about the ROM which available to download from the dopod company website.
does it safe to just flash from it or do I need to repackage the ROM..?
thank you.
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ROMs from Dopod HK or Singapore are very old ones. The SPL is 1.04. You may not be able to flash backward if you are with HardSPL v7. Also if your radio ROM is newer than 1.27, you may face problem when you flash the original (as it is packed with an old radio rom).
(Please correct me if I am wrong.)
To play safe, follow mrvanx' guide:
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
d1eter said:
in the wiki it mentions..
I'm using 838pro, what about the ROM which available to download from the dopod company website.
does it safe to just flash from it or do I need to repackage the ROM..?
thank you.
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After some readings and I have managed to used dutty's tool to recompiled the Dopod's WM5 English rom from the original Dopod shipped rom.
This rom has OS + Extended Rom ONLY.
No IPL, No SPL, No Radio.
I have tested and it works on my Hermes, and Bootloader and Radio stay as is. Please note your result may vary.
Here's the download link
http://rapidshare.com/files/29500131/WM5_Dopod_1.30.707.4__Huchison_3_AU__OS_ExtRom_only.7z
To play safe, I would suggest you to do the following prior flashing the OS rom.
1. Flash boot loader to Hard-SPL-V7
2. Flash your radio rom to 1.38. or 1.40
crabwalker said:
After some readings and I have managed to used dutty's tool to recompiled the Dopod's WM5 English rom from the original Dopod shipped rom.
This rom has OS + Extended Rom ONLY.
No IPL, No SPL, No Radio.
I have tested and it works on my Hermes, and Bootloader and Radio stay as is. Please note your result may vary.
Here's the download link
http://rapidshare.com/files/29500131/WM5_Dopod_1.30.707.4__Huchison_3_AU__OS_ExtRom_only.7z
To play safe, I would suggest you to do the following prior flashing the OS rom.
1. Flash boot loader to Hard-SPL-V7
2. Flash your radio rom to 1.38. or 1.40
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So in other words: do exactly what my guide says to do?
Why
mrvanx said:
So in other words: do exactly what my guide says to do?
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Why would anyone want to do that? A tested process that works time and time again?
And if you don't mind the compliment, all of your guides rock!
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So in other words: do exactly what my guide says to do?
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Yes, just forgot to mentioned, I ripped the Bootloader and Radio all based on your (mrvanx) guide. It is great, the info provided is easy to follow, very clear and precise. Thanks.
Ever since I joined this site several months back, I've been flashing cooked ROMs non-stop with limited success in terms of telephone stability and usability. If I were to flash the official release, I would be stuck with Bootloader 1.08 which I understand makes further flashing difficult, if at all possible.
What I would like to do is try and flash the official WM6 OS from Cingular while still retaining my hard SPL boot loader, radio, etc. I looked at NBH Extract, Kitchens and really couldn't figure anything out.
Would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction on how to just flash the OS portion of the Official ROM release.
On this guide you will find the tools and the "how" to do what you want.
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=27
The difference is that you will not download a WM5 Rom but the WM6 Cingular Rom and will make the one that you need. For sure OS , ExtRom, Spashes and no radio because you want to keep the same. After you compile the new modified nbh and you upgrade with Hard SPL 2.10 olipro as you did with custom ROMS.
I wish I helped.Good Luck
Thanks
Thanks a lot! I will give it a shot and let you know. Now you mentioned that this will keep my Radio the same as is now, but will this also leave my Olipro 2.10 in tact so that I can do further flashing later?
As long you dont choose IPL and SPL when making the new nbh,yes . Just what mrvanx says. This is because you wont have spl or ipl to new nbh so they wont be flashed to your device. You even can not to choose splashes if you want to keep your own you have now.
Only what "nb" you choose will be flashed to the device.
Thanks Again
lagoskon said:
As long you dont choose IPL and SPL when making the new nbh,yes
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Everything worked like a charm!
Very glad you did it
Those who have troubles with other HardSPL versions can give the attached 1.23 (shipped), 1.24 (mfg), 1.34 (shipped) HardSPLs a try.
To flash any of these, first establish an activesync connection via usb. Then run diamond-sspl.bat and confirm execution on touchscreen. The screen will turn black. Now run DiamondCustomRUU from either the HardSPL-1.23, HardSPL-1.24 or HardSPL-1.34 folder.
I have tested these versions on my diamond and did not have any issues with them. I prefer 1.24 because it is a mfg spl. A mfg spl includes additional commands for the manufacturer (htc) to test a device as opposed to the shipped spl which is installed on stock devices.
A particular spl may fix bugs, may be needed to support new hardware (e.g. lcd or touchscreen) or is required to optimally support a particular version of the OS and/or radio. Only try another spl if you have issues with your currently installed one. If you have no issues then don't flash another spl.
Further questions about spl are answered here
Credits:
1. cmonex for the wonderful relocation hack in sspl
2. pof for JumpSPL
perhaps my memory is bad, but the MFG we based Hard-SPL on is the same version as this or newer possibly, I'll find out later.
closing the stable door after the horse already bolted?
Thanks.
Good to see you here on the diamond forum, jockyw2001
After the great work you did for the kaisers hope it will be the same for the diamond.
Great works again Jocky..
Thanks u so much..
Installed 1.24.Hard version.Working fine in my device
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perhaps my memory is bad, but the MFG we based Hard-SPL on is the same version as this or newer possibly, I'll find out later.
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no they're different, and possibly 1.24 is older if u left the version# untouched
closing the stable door after the horse already bolted?
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no, for sure not
will try later
i have tryed others...and they just sit at 0%
im no n00b.....i do know what i am doing
Hey! JockyW is here!
Yey, JockW is here. I love your works in Kaiser sections. Welcome, friend.
jockyw2001 said:
Those who have troubles with other HardSPL versions can give the attached 1.23 (shipped) and 1.24 (mfg) HardSPLs a try.
To flash any of these, first establish an activesync connection via usb. Then run diamond-sspl.bat and confirm execution on touchscreen. The screen will turn black. Now run DiamondCustomRUU from either the HardSPL-1.23 or HardSPL-1.24 folder.
I have tested both versions on my diamond and did not have any issues with them. I prefer 1.24 because it is a mfg spl.
Credits:
1. cmonex for the wonderful relocation hack in sspl
2. pof for JumpSPL
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Hi man, happy to see you here ( i still owe you from radio from hell!!!)
i have a noob question: whats the difference between this hardspl and Olinex version? and do i hjave to change it?( i already have olinex developers edition)
Thanks jocky bro..!
It works just fine
i installed 1.24... it works although i can't see anything special.
@JockyW2001
Can this HSPL be overwritten for warranty returns with original SPL or it also must be signed by your special certificate first? I am referring to OliNex-unsigned "back-to-original-SPL" method.
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@JockyW2001
Can this HSPL be overwritten for warranty returns with original SPL or it also must be signed by your special certificate first? I am referring to OliNex-unsigned "back-to-original-SPL" method.
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You can flash any signed spl with this sspl. Which signature is used doesn't matter: self-signed, olinex, or htc it doesn't make a difference.
works thank you
this now lets me flash what ever i want
before i was getting stuck at 0%...grrrrrr
thank you for this...you are a star!
Great release Buddy still using your first beta
HardSPL v1.34 added to first post.
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HardSPL v1.34 added to first post.
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thanks for update.I looking for 1.37 and 1.93 SPL in next times
I am confused which one to install?
What is mfg?
Which is better?
Sorry for all questions at once but i am really confused.
BTW i have olinex 1.40 dev edition.
Mfg spl version includes additional commands for the manufacturer (htc) to test a device as opposed to the shipped spl which is installed on stock devices.
A particular spl may fix bugs, may be needed to support new hardware (e.g. lcd or touchscreen) or is required to optimally support a particular version of the OS and/or radio. Only try another spl if you have issues with your currently installed one. If you have no issues then don't flash another spl.
Further questions about spl are answered here
jockyw2001 said:
Mfg spl version includes additional commands for the manufacturer (htc) to test a device as opposed to the shipped spl which is installed on stock devices.
A particular spl may fix bugs, may be needed to support new hardware (e.g. lcd or touchscreen) or is required to optimally support a particular version of the OS and/or radio. Only try another spl if you have issues with your currently installed one. If you have no issues then don't flash another spl.
Further questions about spl are answered here
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Thanks for the quick answer. It explained everything that i needed to know.
so many hard-spls, so little time
k sorry this sounds so noobish but i've never seen so many hard-spl's in one forum before ha..
so you're basically saying if people are having trouble flashing with the other hard-spl (do you have any explanation as to why this is?) they should just try each of these and see which one works?
i guess what i'm wondering is why would 1.23hard-spl work better for someone than 1.34? what i'm guessing right now is, 1.24 is MFG so should work better in most instances, but technically the best 'fit' would be a hard-spl based on your shipped spl?
Hi everyone!
Here's the deal! I'm no noob to flashing, cooking and HardSPL as I'm positive there are plenty of users who are swimming in the same pool.
Moving from another device's forum (Trinity) to the Diamond forum is quite a shock. So many posts, so many threads.
There are so many HardSPLs. OK, no problem! But what I DO miss is a tutorial thread with nice and clear descriptions stating for instance "You will need this HardSPL for this ROM", ""You will need this HardSPL for Official ROM", "You don't need any HardSPL for Official ROM", etc.
For instance:
I'm running an old version of Radio and Official Diamond ROM (Stock), 1.00.25.03 Radio and 1.37.479.3 WWE ROM.
Bootloader version is:
Code:
DIAM100 64M
SPL-1.37.0000
MicroP-Diam (LED) v11
PSOC-Diam STAGE_PVT v0x30
I'd like to first upgrade to another Official ROM, like RUU_Diamond_hTC_Asia_HK_WWE_1.93.831.1.
No info on following:
- changing an original to another original ROM: is there need for HardSPL?
- changing a supposed EU original to an Asia original ROM: is there need for HardSPL?
- if there is need for it when upgradin ROM, which one to choose based on bootloader info?
- if there is need for it when upgradin Radio, which one to choose based on bootloader info?
etc.
I can live with my new device with stock ROM, I can tweak it, no problem.
But it is my strong belief that a detailed tutorial/description/info/guide thread could get a nice sticky.
Something that would make new users like:
"Oh, I just bought a Diamond, I read this sticky, compared my bootloader info with the ones stated in the thread, checked my ROM and Radio, checked my new ROM and Radio which I want to flash, so I need this/I don't need any HardSPL and it worked"
Yes, call it spoon-feeding, but while looking at the Forums and reading and searching, there's so much clutter some can't even find the Search button!
My two cents!
I totally agree !!! We are needing that "tutorial for dummies"
Im new to the Diamond forum too, had a tytn for ages though.
I found everything i needed to know on the wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond
Here my tuto (french version, could use a translator like google to push it in english) : http://celogeek.free.fr/2008/08/htc-diamond-rom-cuisinee-diamond-project-32/
Try it Hope can help
geistteufel said:
Here my tuto (french version, could use a translator like google to push it in english) : http://celogeek.free.fr/2008/08/htc-diamond-rom-cuisinee-diamond-project-32/
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Yes, but still, is there any need for HardSPL when flashing to another Official HTC ROM? And is there any need for HardSPL when flashing to another issuer of the Official HTC ROM (from EU to Asia HK)?
tnyynt said:
Yes, but still, is there any need for HardSPL when flashing to another Official HTC ROM? And is there any need for HardSPL when flashing to another issuer of the Official HTC ROM (from EU to Asia HK)?
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You don't need HardSPL to flash an official ROM. If you want to be really sure then simply go to the HTC site (I used HTC Europe), register as a user, input your phone's serial number and it should tell you that you can download the 1.93 ROM. This way you can do a 100% official upgrade before deciding if you want to use a cooked ROM.
http://www.htc.com/member/login.aspx
Hope this helps
andy2111 said:
You don't need HardSPL to flash an official ROM. If you want to be really sure then simply go to the HTC site (I used HTC Europe), register as a user, input your phone's serial number and it should tell you that you can download the 1.93 ROM. This way you can do a 100% official upgrade before deciding if you want to use a cooked ROM.
http://www.htc.com/member/login.aspx
Hope this helps
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I know that, remember, I'm not a n00b.
First, I have no updates in my registered Diamond e-Club account.
Second, this is what I am talking about: You said:
You don't need HardSPL to flash an official ROM.
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Other peoples opinion:
omaga said:
You need hardspl on every one, and all are offcial roms as they were downloaded
only the rom you can download from your own HTC e-club site dont need hardspl.
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Contradictory information?
Now since I don't have any updates in my own e-Club, there's the HardSPL option with other (even Official) ROMs.
Question is: which one? (1.23, 1.24, 1.34, Developer edition, Hard-SPL-Diamond-OliNex, HardSPL_OliNex138_Signed or RUU_Signed_1_93OliNex_HSPL_UnsignedEdition).
This is crazy!
Maybe that's the difference then - perhaps ROM downloads via the e-club are treated differently, although I can't think how.
Seems that Cmonex and Olipro are the SPL experts here (I'm sure you've already seen this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400402) so maybe they're the best ones to help.
If it helps I updated to HardSLP 1.4 and ran quite happily on my stock ROM before upgrading to Dutty's ROM. I guess it's down to how adventurous/risky you want to be.
Good luck.
1. look at the next posts, i blew it on this answer..
i like my diamond with hardspl and unlocked (using the developers, unsigned hardspl). i advice you to do the same. this covers all, signed, unsigned and official ROMs.
here, an answer from THE expert:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2484533&postcount=143
2. if i convinced you to hardspl then go to the unsigned version:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400950.
i am using it from the beginning (2 month at least) and i flashed my diamond 4 times without any problem at all.
3.
There are so many HardSPLs. OK, no problem! But what I DO miss is a tutorial thread with nice and clear descriptions stating for instance "You will need this HardSPL for this ROM", ""You will need this HardSPL for Official ROM", "You don't need any HardSPL for Official ROM", etc.
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already there, in almost each ROM thread.
i think all cooks start their thread with the warning (hardspl first!) and a link to the recommended hardspl.
bepe is "all signed" so he never mention which hardspl.
others, for example:
dutty's choice of hardspl: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408621
[WM 6.1] NEW SWIFTBL WWE DIAMOND ROM V5.0 - CE OS 5.2.20273 (BUILD 20273 AKU 1.3.3)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2312249&postcount=2 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2412201&postcount=1first
DIAMOND PROJECT ROM Release V3.2 [WWE/GER/ITA/FRE/RUS/ESN]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408621
i wonder what happened to you.... learn from post #3!! you are a ROM cook...you are the "uber" user! we should ask you questions
I know you say if you flash an official (uncooked) ROM to your handset then you don't need SPL however I have a Vodafone branded Diamond which won't allow you to flash a non Vodafone branded ROM so I am ssuming that you still need to use SPL to go to an unbranded ROM even if it is generic HTC.
vrstu said:
I know you say if you flash an official (uncooked) ROM to your handset then you don't need SPL however I have a Vodafone branded Diamond which won't allow you to flash a non Vodafone branded ROM so I am ssuming that you still need to use SPL to go to an unbranded ROM even if it is generic HTC.
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i think you are right. never thought at this scenario.....
usually i don't buy my pda branded. no plan, no 3 years, free as a bird!
thanks for bringing it to my attention.
yeah, hard-spl to allow you to flash ROMs from other regions..
technically you shouldn't need it to 'protect' your device since its an official ROM upgrade, but then again you're trying to flash an upgrade that's not from your region so not too sure how that affects your warranty.. i would stick with hard-spl no matter what.
Although you may experience better results with certain ROMs using a certain SPL (this hasn't been clearly shown on the diamond to my knowledge) seems like the SPL is more tied to your hardware (why certain people get screen flicker and fuzzy fonts after flashing.. wrong SPL). so it stands to reason if your hardware doesn't change, you *shouldn't* have to change your SPL just cause you're flashing a new ROM
KukurikU said:
1. you don't need hardspl when you want to flash an official ROM.
if you should need one then HTC should release it with the ROM. no such thing!
HTC release official ROM "like it is" for all ppl even for the ones that never heard of hardspl. simple logic.
if you buy it branded look at the next two posts!
i like my diamond with hardspl and unlocked (using the developers, unsigned hardspl). i advice you to do the same. this covers all, signed, unsigned and official ROMs.
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I have experince now with 3 HTC devices: 1. i had Trinity with wwe rom when i bought it-> try to put it to my language (Finnish ROM) didnt work, used hardspl-> it worked
2. Polaris with wwe 6.0 rom, tried to update to the latest wm6.0 rom which was a rom from Singapore, no succes-> put hardspl in device->it worked
3. In my Diamond i put hardspl right away(after 2 hour use), so that one i didnt test at all, based on my previous experience I didnt even try to flash the official 1.93 rom witout hardspl
So at least my concution is that u must have hardspl even when you want to flash a official rom from another region. Dont offcourse no if that is a fact, just what i have experience
[/QUOTE]So at least my concution is that u must have hardspl even when you want to flash a official rom from another region. Dont offcourse no if that is a fact, just what i have experience[/QUOTE]
From my experience from the diamond, you have to flash hardspl onto your handset before you can use 'other region' roms even when it is 'official'.
I have a HK WWE handset and tried to flash my rom with the first upgrade rom from SEA, and it wouldnt flash. it would say my handset is not from the correct region.
i flashed a hard spl afterwards and it worked.
So from pak1234 experience we can make some conclusion? its the same experience I got with Polaris and Trinity
Noob Agony
Hi,
As a total recent Noob (TRN), I spent about 2 working days trying to find out where to start. In particular, the definition of HardSPL, ROM and Radio.
It was very difficult to ramp up to speed. you guys rock, seriously, but your community can thrive if you lower the gate a bit. Think about all the time you'll save in the long run by giving noobs somewhere to start. 'There are no stupid questions, only arrogant responses'. -- I read that somewhere here.
For anyone who enjoys noob-razing, come visit me and I'll stick you in with my horses. Get some payback.
A Where-To-Start sticky would help enormously.
peace.
PS - Eventually I found www.modmydiamond.info and started reading. I nearly cried when my Swiss language-locked Diamond started talking in good auld English.
bluntyeyedfool said:
Hi,
As a total recent Noob (TRN), I spent about 2 working days trying to find out where to start. In particular, the definition of HardSPL, ROM and Radio.
It was very difficult to ramp up to speed. you guys rock, seriously, but your community can thrive if you lower the gate a bit. Think about all the time you'll save in the long run by giving noobs somewhere to start. 'There are no stupid questions, only arrogant responses'. -- I read that somewhere here.
For anyone who enjoys noob-razing, come visit me and I'll stick you in with my horses. Get some payback.
A Where-To-Start sticky would help enormously.
peace.
PS - Eventually I found www.modmydiamond.info and started reading. I nearly cried when my Swiss language-locked Diamond started talking in good auld English.
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congrats on yr first successfull step (english language on yr swiss locked diamond)! perseverance and good reading skills pay back.
welcome to our forum!
from yr post i can understand that you started as an intelligent user/member of this forum (as opposed to noob) by using this forum accordingly with it's rules.
there are stupid questions. if one of the next is called by somebody "arrogant response" then he'll have to adjust or just grow elephant skin (i can name a few that already did):
1. "search, this was already posted". (most used)
2. "read the manual." (almost an insult)
3. "read wiki." (friendly, useful advice)
4. "most of the polls are useless." (no comment necessary)
5. "comparisons between any other ppc and diamond does not belong here, this a diamond only forum." (sadly not enough enforced)
a noob is not somebody with a low count of posts. a noob is somebody with a noobish attitude (total disregard of the forum's rules and it's members, wanting everything now, ready, chewed and put in his mouth).
respect the forum and it's members and you'll get respect and help beyond yr wildest dreams.
yr PS only confirm all from the above.
i prefer not to comment yr horses-payback threat
noob here
Hello all, noob here, just got my diamond via vodafone NL.
The device is sim locked contrary to what the agreement with was.
The current rom running on it makes this device incredibly slow, my brother has an p3300 which works way faster than my diamond (but does not look so nice).
This made me start looking for a solution. I've been reading this site for three full days and I'm still very confused, everything and it's contrary is written here, how is one supposed to draw a conclusion?
With that said I would like to see a well written tutorial in plain english and that does not assume the reader is a techie.
It should explain:
- How to backup the original ROM and hardSPL
- How to flash a new rom and avoid issues with screen flickering and so on
- How to restore the original ROM and hardSPL in case the device needs to be send back for repair
- Clarify what to do with radio roms
- How to unlock a device to be used with any sim card (ok this already exists, i've seen the sticky)
Thanks
One more question to be added
- Why would you need a CID and security unlocker?
I thought it was just another name for sim card lock but apparently not.
tnyynt said:
I have no updates in my registered Diamond e-Club account
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You should go to Support section of their site, that is where they post ROM updates apparently. e-Club has only ringtones.
hi guys
as you can see im a total noob to the forums and to updating ROMs on the diamond
my htc diamond is running rom version
version: 1.37.707.1 WWE
date: 06/10/08
radio version: 1.00.25.03
protocol version: 52.26a.25.09H
i find that phone lags a bit and slows down especially when im unlocking with my password.
it also lags a bit when im activating the keyboard to write a sms..
so i guess i was hoping somebody could guide me in the right direction to get the latest rom update, and how do i do it.
i can see there are some custom roms around...so i have no idea whats the best way to proceed..
ive tried to download the latest rom update from the HTC site but it says that my device is not supported?
i dunno, cause i entered in the serial number located under the battery...
so im hoping somebody here can help me out..
thanks!
subs.
More info...
What's your diamond model number? It's under the battery.
You should look into HardSPL and then check out the official ROM's and Cooked ROM's and make a decision on which one you want to flash your phone with. Read the forum's and how-to's for more info...but first you should work out what version of the diamond you have before you go looking for ROM's...also, always HardSPL before you flash!
Good luck.
under the battery it says
HTC P3700 DIAM100
is that what you are referring to?
hi you really need to read this first and then read it again http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211 or you could brick your phone
cobbs said:
hi you really need to read this first and then read it again http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211 or you could brick your phone
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yeah, ive been reading that and im slowly starting to understand what i have to do...
i would like to do this rom update on my phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=423418
so from what i understand i first have to install a unsigned hardspl, any recommendations on which version i should use?
1.23
1.24 or
1.34 ?
i was going to use 1.24 only because i saw somebody post saying they used it and had no problems, but if i should use one of the other ones because it will work better then please let me know.
after doing the hardspl install i was going to backup all my contacts and then do the rom update.
am i missing any steps?
do i have to do a radio update before a rom update?
I use HardSPL 1.40 and had no problems so far so I havent updated it to 1.93.
I would recommend one of the new roms 2.03 (official or cooked, it depends on what you'd like ).
Prewien said:
I use HardSPL 1.40 and had no problems so far so I havent updated it to 1.93.
I would recommend one of the new roms 2.03 (official or cooked, it depends on what you'd like ).
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ah ok
so
if i can install hardspl 1.40 and this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=423418
and shouldnt have any problems?
is that what im understanding?
Substance001 said:
ah ok
so
if i can install hardspl 1.40 and this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=423418
and shouldnt have any problems?
is that what im understanding?
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Install hardspl 1.40 or 1.93 (I use 1.93, but didn't have problems in the short time I used 1.40) hardspl and then install any rom you like. Just try to read as much as you can because chances are, any question you have, someone else has had it and it's on the board for you to read.
ok cool, i will install hardspl 1.40 and then that rom i mentioned
at the moment i dont have any questions, i will follow that thread that explains how to update roms and hope for the best
1 last question, i did do a search but didnt really find any definite answers...
if i brick my phone *touch wood i dont*
will it be difficult to unbrick it?
Substance001 said:
1 last question, i did do a search but didnt really find any definite answers...
if i brick my phone *touch wood i dont*
will it be difficult to unbrick it?
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if you brick your phone, the only option left is to claim warranty.
And i believe the only step that could possibly brick your phone is flashing HardSPL, right guys?
I was in the same state of anxiety when I did my first ROM flashing. Thankfully it all went smoothly.
My 2 cents :
1, Think about what you are gaining by a ROM upgrade. If your phone is working well out of the box and your routine functions are satisfied, you are well off with you stock ROM. I flashed a couple of ROMs and now I am with my stock and I am perfectly fine.
2, Read this -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211 and this -> http://www.modmydiamond.info/ And if you understand every single letter of it only proceed.
Happy flashing
i have a diam100. can i flash it to a WWE dutty rom?
thanks for all the help guys, but i decided to flash my htc with the original rom from the htc site.
for the moment it runs like a dream and has fixed all my lag issues.
so im gonna stick with that....for the moment
It's important that you feel comfortable crossing over......but I have to say, when you decide to cross, it's an exhilarating feeling to know that you can select what ever Rom from, what I think are, top notch chiefs here but also the fun continues by selecting which ever Radio.
Many post on here that say, "I bricked my phone," truly didn't brick anything. They just hit a wall so they panic. Hard SPL really does a good job. So the chances of your bricking this device is not as high as some people think..