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Whens the next Blue Angle coming out?

SO whens the next blue angle coming out? I have seen any rumors on a phone like the blue angle(big screen,keyboard). Is it a discounted model? It seem that HTC is making different models. I live the wizard, but the screen is too small for me.
Have you guys seen anything?

actualy HTC Universal is descendant to Blue Angel ... but it cannot be treated so strictly .... I think the best combination of all will be HTC Hermes. The screen will be a bit smaller but it is still THE machine

The next BlueAngel? I think maybe, closest in form factor and yet WM5 would be the Sharp W-Zero3

raymondu999 said:
The next BlueAngel? I think maybe, closest in form factor and yet WM5 would be the Sharp W-Zero3
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Sharp is very cool, but only for Japan and wont work anywhere else.
I dont like the wizard, its too small. My phone is dieing! Im missing keys. Its totally overused(1year and 8months old!). Time for a new one, but I dont like anything thats out. I just want the Blueangle that slides its keyboard out from the side. bigger keyborad, same size, but thinner.
but it looks like nothing is on its way.....
If you want a keyboard, its the small wizard or the huge Universal. nothing in the middle............

I just hate TouchFlo3D! Want TouchFlo2D.

yeah, i made it. nearly a year with my hermes, flashed over 300 times, now he rests in peace in my top drawer - some day we'll meet again...
got my lovely blackstone. for free on a £35/mo contract on Orange through Phones4U web site. kinda funny for me being an ex-carphone warehouse employee :•))
anyhow... what's wrong with this TouchFlo3D thing? it's just damn vile! i totally hate it, really, really. i wonder if i had never seen touchflo2d (manilla2d) i would like it. i was using a rom on my hermes with touchflo2d and the scroll of tabs in it is just sooo much smoother than in the HD! i put them side by side and the difference is impressive, even my partner agrees.
the favourite people screen is really cute but it's so not practical. i thought i was gonna have my mates' big faces showing on the screen but all i have is something that stretches up their photos which looks terrible and doesn't feel that i'm almost skinless of trying to flick to the next contact.
any suggestions?

SlakerBoi said:
yeah, i made it. nearly a year with my hermes, flashed over 300 times, now he rests in peace in my top drawer - some day we'll meet again...
got my lovely blackstone. for free on a £35/mo contract on Orange through Phones4U web site. kinda funny for me being an ex-carphone warehouse employee :•))
anyhow... what's wrong with this TouchFlo3D thing? it's just damn vile! i totally hate it, really, really. i wonder if i had never seen touchflo2d (manilla2d) i would like it. i was using a rom on my hermes with touchflo2d and the scroll of tabs in it is just sooo much smoother than in the HD! i put them side by side and the difference is impressive, even my partner agrees.
the favourite people screen is really cute but it's so not practical. i thought i was gonna have my mates' big faces showing on the screen but all i have is something that stretches up their photos which looks terrible and doesn't feel that i'm almost skinless of trying to flick to the next contact.
any suggestions?
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have you flashed any of the current cooked roms? I am using Dutty's and it speeds everything up and my favorite people tab photos are crisp. I personally never owned a device with 2d though

SlakerBoi said:
the favourite people screen is really cute but it's so not practical. i thought i was gonna have my mates' big faces showing on the screen but all i have is something that stretches up their photos which looks terrible
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press the right soft key and assign a decent quality photo on the photo contacts screen rather than the really small lo-res ones from outlook.

fards said:
press the right soft key and assign a decent quality photo on the photo contacts screen rather than the really small lo-res ones from outlook.
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yeah, i did that... but still dont like the pictures moving. on the 2D you had their faces right there, it was just thumb a name to call them. it would be great to have something similar to 3D with its resolution it'd be possible to put more contacts together...
but i'll have a go on one of these cooked rooms. kinda worried about that, to be honest. lol

nope! still the very same thing.
flashed the phamquang one which is promised to be stable and fast but to be honest i found it exactly the same as the previous rom. there must be some option...

Impressions of my TP2 after a few days

Received my TP2 a few days ago, and here are some initial impressions:
GOOD:
- Good form factor; it's thicker than my HD but I find slightly thicker phones more comfortable to hold when talking rather than really thin phones.
- Beautiful screen and very responsive
- immensely improved TouchFlo...HD's touchflo was slow and not very useful, but I've actually been using the TP2's TouchFlo happily...no plans on installing MobileShell, which is something I did not expect!
- Fast...definitely much faster than the HD, and overall usability is way up (having said that, I felt the HD was perfectly usable as well in terms of speed)
- stable; no crashes yet
- web browsing; faster web browsing I've done on a WM device yet
- keyboard; nice and big and quite easy to use (although I suspect it might actually be TOO spacious for people with smaller hands)
- very good speaker and speakerphone
- excellent reception
- Chinese language support; the Hong Kong English version of the TP2 (my unit) now comes pre-loaded with Chinese recognition and input, while keeping the OS in English. I have been hoping to have this functionality for eons...
- overall build quality (minus the poorer tolerance of the screen fit; see below)
BAD:
- Heavy. It has overall larger dimensions so it doesn't feel like a brick like the original TP, but make no mistake this is not a light phone.
- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
- no 3.5mm headphone jack. Sure there are ways to get around this, but this should be standard on high-end phones as far as I'm concerned.
- buttons; not really bad, but given that there seems to be some extra real estate at the bottom of the unit, the buttons could have been larger. Feedback on the buttons are very good though, and MUCH better than the touch style buttons on the HD.
- in call volume still not quite as loud as I'd like.
- TouchFlo very memory intensive compared to previous versions. On the HD, the memory usage usually hovered around 43% without any running programs. On the TP2, the memory usage is generally around 63%. I haven't had any issues with slowdowns, but that's a 20% increase, which is a bit surprising. Having said that, it has not impacted the speed or running of programs for me at all so it's just something that's annoying to know, that's all.
Overall, you could probably guess that my impression with the TP2 is extremely positive. I've used so many WM phones in the past, and was ready to give up completely on the OS until the Touch HD (I could not believe how stable and usable it was after pulling half my hair out with previous WM phones including the Omnia). I was planning to play around with it and then give it away, but ended up keeping it. And now the TP2 is even better. As with a few other TP2 owners, my biggest question mark will be how the hinge holds up in the long run...a worry that really shouldn't be there for a TP2 owner given that one of the main features of the unit is the flip out keyboard. I guess time will tell. With interesting WM units on the horizon (such as the just announced Samsung Louvre), I have to say I only trust HTC's implementation - they've done the best job of overall engineering with the OS.
One question that I have for fellow TP2 owners...anyone know how to get AEButton to work with it? Can't seem to figure out which buttons are assigned to which...on the HD, the OK button referred to the back arrow button on the unit, but no so on the TP2. Would really like to get AEButton working.
Overall, TP2 along with the Nokia E71 (and HD to a an extent) has been the most pleasantly surprising phone I've used over the last year or so.

Seems like you are from Hong Kong. So my questions is where did you buy, what carrier and what plan? Just curious, that is all. Cheers!

I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
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Seems like you are from Hong Kong. So my questions is where did you buy, what carrier and what plan? Just curious, that is all. Cheers!
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And the battery? Needs to be charged everyday?

tsaojam said:
BAD:
- no 3.5mm headphone jack. Sure there are ways to get around this, but this should be standard on high-end phones as far as I'm concerned.
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It's interesting about people's expectations on this. I would have said, if anything, the opposite. Should be a standard on low-end phones. High-end phones should expect high-end solutions for audio, IMHO.

ajbopp said:
It's interesting about people's expectations on this. I would have said, if anything, the opposite. Should be a standard on low-end phones. High-end phones should expect high-end solutions for audio, IMHO.
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true but 3.5mm jack is universal & just an uppgrade in headphones can make all the difference.

I agree, with the 3.5mm being old tech but one thing tho, HTC's earphones don't really fit my ears that well. Keeps on falling off... LOL. If there were more USB earphones, then I am just as happy. I am sorry to say this but the iPod earphones fits me just fine.
I also like the ear bud style earphones or the B&O earphones, they are nice too .
Shame they don't do it with the USB plugs...

tsaojam said:
I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
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I see, I got mine from Voda-Smartone. unlimited internet browsing and 100mb Data. Traded my P3600i in (at last) and only paid $3900 HKD for the phone.
I am keeping my HD which is with CSL.
I thought this phone is gonna come out on CSL but it didn't. Never mind, CSL and Smartone is the same for me, same good receptions.
Did you get an english or chinese version? If you got a english version, do you write chinese? I notice my english version is able to read chinese characters but I can't transcribe chinese words. I hate using the keyboard to write chinese words.

cocoaju said:
I see, I got mine from Voda-Smartone. unlimited internet browsing and 100mb Data. Traded my P3600i in (at last) and only paid $3900 HKD for the phone.
I am keeping my HD which is with CSL.
I thought this phone is gonna come out on CSL but it didn't. Never mind, CSL and Smartone is the same for me, same good receptions.
Did you get an english or chinese version? If you got a english version, do you write chinese? I notice my english version is able to read chinese characters but I can't transcribe chinese words. I hate using the keyboard to write chinese words.
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English version...i never input chinese, so the new English OS is perfect for me as i only need to be able to read chinese characters as well.

tsaojam said:
English version...i never input chinese, so the new English OS is perfect for me as i only need to be able to read chinese characters as well.
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I see. Same here. I read chinese only most of the time. but it's nice to have. You know what I mean.
What about GPS? What software do you use? Papago or Mapking? Never used it on HD as softwares before weren't compatible with the WVGA screen. Have you installed any?

- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
I suggest you to change another one. I've tried several TP2 in shop and some of them have a larger gap than the others. Finally, I picked up a TP2 with a small gap only and didn't notice any (slight) movement when I push the screen/hardware buttons.

I have been thinking about a "fix" to tighten up the phone when closed. The plastic strips on the sides of the keyboard could be a little thicker, and this would tighten up the structure?

Then how much extra have you paid? I'm thinking getting one to replace my X01HT though still in very good condition after two years service. Thanks.
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I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
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desman said:
- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
I suggest you to change another one. I've tried several TP2 in shop and some of them have a larger gap than the others. Finally, I picked up a TP2 with a small gap only and didn't notice any (slight) movement when I push the screen/hardware buttons.
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Thanks for the suggestion, i know what you mean that some units have more of a gap than other models.
Having said that, I'm embarassed to say the gap on my machine isn't that bad...the movement I felt really WAS the haptic feedback...apparently even if you turn it off from TouchFlo, the vibra feedback still applies when I'm using Opera. Not sure if it's a glitch, but that's actually what it happening.

skyplay said:
Then how much extra have you paid? I'm thinking getting one to replace my X01HT though still in very good condition after two years service. Thanks.
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The price is standard at Wilson, how much you can get for trade in will depend on the condition of your trade-in unit.

cocoaju said:
I see. Same here. I read chinese only most of the time. but it's nice to have. You know what I mean.
What about GPS? What software do you use? Papago or Mapking? Never used it on HD as softwares before weren't compatible with the WVGA screen. Have you installed any?
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yeah, i know what you mean...i have tons of programs on my TP2 that I never use but it's nice to have...
I've only been using Google Maps. I don't think Mapking is compatiible still...have yet to find a good GPS solution that I like.

I don't think I could trade in my X01HT. I just want to know the trade-in difference between HD and TP2. Thanks.
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The price is standard at Wilson, how much you can get for trade in will depend on the condition of your trade-in unit.
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tsaojam said:
yeah, i know what you mean...i have tons of programs on my TP2 that I never use but it's nice to have...
I've only been using Google Maps. I don't think Mapking is compatiible still...have yet to find a good GPS solution that I like.
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I have been using google maps as well, but shame there is no voice directions. I have read some users have installed MapKing R12 and it works on the HD. But just looks weird as the images get stretched.
Papago is meant to be good but haven't seen it in action before. Users on uwant.com said it works ok as well. I might check it out later.
I just tested the video capabilities and I am just amazed. I bought an 8GB Class 6 Transcend today at Wilson for under $190 HKD. Went home, inserted the card, transfered my Transformer movie xvid rip, dvd resolution. Played it on Coreplayer 1.3.2. WOW! No dropped frames, sharp pictures and all this without needing to re-encoding.
This upgrade is WELL WORTH IT from the HD. Although I still have the HD with me.

cocoaju said:
I have been using google maps as well, but shame there is no voice directions. I have read some users have installed MapKing R12 and it works on the HD. But just looks weird as the images get stretched.
Papago is meant to be good but haven't seen it in action before. Users on uwant.com said it works ok as well. I might check it out later.
I just tested the video capabilities and I am just amazed. I bought an 8GB Class 6 Transcend today at Wilson for under $190 HKD. Went home, inserted the card, transfered my Transformer movie xvid rip, dvd resolution. Played it on Coreplayer 1.3.2. WOW! No dropped frames, sharp pictures and all this without needing to re-encoding.
This upgrade is WELL WORTH IT from the HD. Although I still have the HD with me.
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Can it play .mkv's ....720p ??

vardig said:
Can it play .mkv's ....720p ??
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CorePlayer Mobile can play mkv, but not TP2 cannot play 720p files properly. Further, it is all a function of the bitrate of the movie.
You'd be well off to watch Lasse's video review on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONMuEeTo7A
Practical optimum resolution and bitrate for playback with CorePlayer 1.3 is 640x288 @ 1.6Mb/s for H.264 without major frame dropping. For DivX 720x322 @ 2.0Mb/s.

display in sunlight

been searching posts for hours, have'nt yet seen this subject/problem covered. with the dark backgrounds on most of these roms, it makes it very hard if not impossible to view info on the screen outside in sunlight. i've used homescreen rebuilder to make my own w/white background and it's very good in the sun but it switches to a different homescreen. i know you can tweak some colors but any other options out there ?
S620 using ROM 3VO.2.90.092509. really love this one, very nice.

what is homescreen rebuilder?
Hi
I too have wondered about the display on my S620 while in sunlight. I was wondering if there was anything that could be done to make it easier to read the screen while outside. You mentioned homescreen rebuilder. What is that and how do I get it? I have been looking for something to make it easier to read the display while in direct sunlight. Thanks!

hey ramfan43, all the posts i've read here can't find anyone with the same gripe. google "madbeetle", click on 1st result_ madbeetle.com. it's called Homescreen Builder. actually found it on a freeware site. it's a bit limited but you have to check for yourself. i designed just a couple w/white backgrounds and really improved viewing outdoors. just switch back and forth. i literally can't see the screen to make a call. hopefully a better solution out there. can't be just me.

I am having the same issue. I can't see the screen in sunlight and I need to go in shadow to do anything.

Big Hands
Cover over like visor

Stylez said:
Big Hands
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Wow! LMAO Stylez...
Anyways, why is this such an issue. Wasn't it 'resolved' earlier on by mentioning to make the background brighter? Besides that, there is not much to do...the screen was not designed for the sunlight, it was designed to illuminate/create an image as much as possible, and it does that...any reflection, sunlight, or fading issues in the screen are just hardware (as far as this thread is concerned).
I say that the only permanent solution that is both cheap and easy is Stylez haha, if it bothers you that much, cover it with your hand...
OR
Just don't use it when you are outside! Being outside is when you should be one with nature, not separated both socially and physically from the real world by the means of an electronic device....
Those are my 2 (or more) cents.

Guess I threw one you guys can't solve. i've done the "cover the screen with your hand thing" it does'nt help much. thought the idea of a cell phone was so you "could" use it outside. i learn fast and when i figure out how to make my own ROM or tweak someone elses, i'll do it myself. i don't know enough yet but seems to me all that needs to be done is design with lighter backgrounds or the ability to switch the homescreen colors. anyone tell how to tweak the color on 3VO EXCA 6.5 ? very, very nice ROM.

crz6662 said:
Guess I threw one you guys can't solve. i've done the "cover the screen with your hand thing" it does'nt help much. thought the idea of a cell phone was so you "could" use it outside. i learn fast and when i figure out how to make my own ROM or tweak someone elses, i'll do it myself. i don't know enough yet but seems to me all that needs to be done is design with lighter backgrounds or the ability to switch the homescreen colors. anyone tell how to tweak the color on 3VO EXCA 6.5 ? very, very nice ROM.
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All of what you want to do with regards colours is simps, change wallpaper in settings, if using 6.5 make taskbar same colour also mentioned in a thread, if using standard taskbar then basehue changes colour.
With regards cooking own ROM goodluck
I use the opposite dark homescreens and can still use phone in sunlight via the diy hand

Thank god for OLED becoming the better choice nowadays.

stylez said:
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Oh really? Like I haven't tried that before!
Come one fellas we aint that dumb.
Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
Wow! LMAO Stylez...
Anyways, why is this such an issue. Wasn't it 'resolved' earlier on by mentioning to make the background brighter? Besides that, there is not much to do...the screen was not designed for the sunlight, it was designed to illuminate/create an image as much as possible, and it does that...any reflection, sunlight, or fading issues in the screen are just hardware (as far as this thread is concerned).
I say that the only permanent solution that is both cheap and easy is Stylez haha, if it bothers you that much, cover it with your hand...
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Just don't use it when you are outside! Being outside is when you should be one with nature, not separated both socially and physically from the real world by the means of an electronic device....
Those are my 2 (or more) cents.
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Should have kept the 2 cents.

Capitan Totti said:
Oh really? Like I haven't tried that before!
Come one fellas we aint that dumb.
Should have kept the 2 cents.
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Nothing about being dumb Just that we don't have a proper light config and not everything on a win mo device is twaekable. oh let me say that again not everything on a win mo device is twaekable
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HTC Arrive vs. Samsung Focus - Final Update April 6th

Final Update April 6th:
I am wrapping up my ongoing comparison of the two devices, and to ebay goes my Samsung Focus.
Here is the final posting:
HTC Arrive vs. Samsung Focus - WP7 Not Yet Ready For Landscape Keyboarding
My conclusion is that both devices are great. My biggest disappointment with the HTC Arrive is not hardware related, but just the pains associated with an early mobile OS. I hope Mango will add more landscape functionality, and that Facebook will update their app to support the form factor.
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Update March 28th:
I compare gaming on the two devices. This is the second to last update in this installment. There is a video this time to boot!
http://www.m-arcade.com/1/post/2011/03/hardware-htc-arrive-vs-samsung-focus-gaming.html
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Update March 26th:
I compare the cameras.
http://www.m-arcade.com/1/post/2011/03/hardware-htc-arrive-vs-samsung-focus-camera.html
I ultimately concluded that I prefer the Focus camera thus far, but the Arrive is a pretty close second. Everyone has different taste, so I have plenty of side by side shots for you to judge for yourself.
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Initial impression: Impressed. This is an extremely nice slider phone, and while it has a little more heft and bulk than I prefer in a phone, the keyboard is a pleasure to use, and the device screams quality.
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Pictures and my complete thoughts at the link:
http://www.m-arcade.com/1/post/2011/03/hardware-htc-arrive-vs-samsung-focus-initial-impressions.html
I will be updating my blog with more comparisons throughout the weekend.

Focus screen looks wayyyy better imo.

I had the opportunity to play with an Arrive yesterday at a local Sprint store. I was unimpressed. Though it did seem to be of sufficient quality, the display is as small as the iPhone and the common LCD. If I were to accept a display that small it would need to be at least an IPS type or AMOLED. I would definitely go with the Focus. To me, there's no question or choice. The Focus is the better of the two.

MartyLK said:
I had the opportunity to play with an Arrive yesterday at a local Sprint store. I was unimpressed. Though it did seem to be of sufficient quality, the display is as small as the iPhone and the common LCD. If I were to accept a display that small it would need to be at least an IPS type or AMOLED. I would definitely go with the Focus. To me, there's no question or choice. The Focus is the better of the two.
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Rumor is that the Arrive has a SLCD screen, but the Focus is better nonetheless. Plus thickness and weight are other advantages of the Focus. The hardware keyboard on the Arrive is really nice, but landscape support is hit-or-miss. Oh, and one final consideration: the Arrive has NoDo today, whereas the Focus may not receive it (officially) for months.
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sketchy9 said:
Rumor is that the Arrive has a SLCD screen, but the Focus is better nonetheless. Plus thickness and weight are other advantages of the Focus. The hardware keyboard on the Arrive is really nice, but landscape support is hit-or-miss. Oh, and one final consideration: the Arrive has NoDo today, whereas the Focus may not receive it (officially) for months.
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It does have an SLCD, and it looks great. The blacks are actually very good head on - not ever going to be on par with the Focus, but they are darn good. But I have noticed the screen does feel a little more cramped when playing games. I really feel 4" is a pretty ideal size, and believe it would have been nice to had that on the Arrive, but I don't think that is a deal breaker. The screen is nice, it just isn't a 4".
I would like to see more done with the keyboard. Like it would be nice if games allowed you to map buttons, that would be way slick.

sketchy9 said:
Rumor is that the Arrive has a SLCD screen, but the Focus is better nonetheless. Plus thickness and weight are other advantages of the Focus. The hardware keyboard on the Arrive is really nice, but landscape support is hit-or-miss. Oh, and one final consideration: the Arrive has NoDo today, whereas the Focus may not receive it (officially) for months.
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Aside from geeks, who the hell cares about the NoDo update? I can't think of a single thing that NoDo changes that makes it a must-have update. Sure, it's all welcomed updates to be sure but definitely WP7 is already a great OS.
I think geeks are always looking for the "new drug" known as (higher) version numbers. It's the same in the Linux world, everyone wants the new 2.6.38 kernel but 2.6.35 runs much faster and stable.
Edit: This wasn't intended as an attack on you personally, but from everything I read on here it seems people are way too obsessed over the NoDo update.

tiny17 said:
It does have an SLCD, and it looks great. The blacks are actually very good head on - not ever going to be on par with the Focus, but they are darn good. But I have noticed the screen does feel a little more cramped when playing games. I really feel 4" is a pretty ideal size, and believe it would have been nice to had that on the Arrive, but I don't think that is a deal breaker. The screen is nice, it just isn't a 4".
I would like to see more done with the keyboard. Like it would be nice if games allowed you to map buttons, that would be way slick.
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you'll never win this argument. Apparently, if you don't want your text fuzzy and your colors to look cartoonish, then you don't know what you are talking about.
On a side note, I'm glad that at&t is getting the hd7s. If nothing else interests me after the merger with t-mobile, at least I'll have that to fall back on.

nrfitchett4 said:
you'll never win this argument. Apparently, if you don't want your text fuzzy and your colors to look cartoonish, then you don't know what you are talking about.
On a side note, I'm glad that at&t is getting the hd7s. If nothing else interests me after the merger with t-mobile, at least I'll have that to fall back on.
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Yea, the super amoled display is the best on the market. I just hope a wp7 device gets the updated super amoled plus display this year.

ryude said:
Yea, the super amoled display is the best on the market. I just hope a wp7 device gets the updated super amoled plus display this year.
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like I said, its the best if you don't mind fuzzy text and over saturated colors...
Wife has a vibrant, and she would rather have the hd7 display.

nrfitchett4 said:
you'll never win this argument. Apparently, if you don't want your text fuzzy and your colors to look cartoonish, then you don't know what you are talking about.
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Well to their defense, the general consumer doesn't mind/notice the fuzzy text, and love seeing the saturated colors. Everyone who has seen my Focus think its the best screen they've seen.
I personally think both have their advantages. But do keep in mind that soon AMOLED screens will no longer have the fuzzy text issue due to them moving away from the PenTile tech.
From my limited use thus far - Head on, I prefer the SLCD, but enjoy the broader sweet spot offered by the SAMOLED.

I think most phones with keyboard won't get 4inch screen. That makes the phone like a brick. Epic 4G is such a device...

amtrakcn said:
I think most phones with keyboard won't get 4inch screen. That makes the phone like a brick. Epic 4G is such a device...
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I do want said brick =)
but a vertical slide up keyboard k thanks

amtrakcn said:
I think most phones with keyboard won't get 4inch screen. That makes the phone like a brick. Epic 4G is such a device...
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The Epic isnt even close to a brick. That thing is like toilet paper. Its keyboard is ass though >.<
Edit: Oh, by brick you meant the 4.0in screen! I thought you meant like the weight...I had to read the post below mine to figure that out haha

for the record and with using devices like the Pre Plus, EVO, EVO shift and iphone the Arrive is the best phone Ive used in a minute. The screen issue is a very small one, and most people dont care about that as much as everyone seems to keep complaining about. Samsung phones to me are cheap looking, and yes the screens are nice thats about it to me. Its about quality and the Arrive screams it. The screen size at 3.6 (ala iphone) is the biggest a mobile device is supposed to be. Get it mobile, I dont know where all this needing a brick in your pocket as being the thing to get nowadays, but if I need more realestate then what I have on my MOBILE! phone then ill get on a laptop, desktop, or tablet. My thoughts on the device is its the best WP7 on the market, perfect size, quality, the option of a full hard keyboard, and very fast.

I completely disagree in terms of the 'quality' you spoke of. Don't get me wrong the phones not god awful but the quality really is subpar. When you hold it you feel like you're holding a last-gen device because of the bulk and thickness and the spring mechanism in the phone always feels ready to snap. HTC doesn't have any high quality WP7 devices just yet. I hope the HD7s fixes that.

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Its about quality and the Arrive screams it.
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Those were my words!
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I completely disagree in terms of the 'quality' you spoke of. Don't get me wrong the phones not god awful but the quality really is subpar. When you hold it you feel like you're holding a last-gen device because of the bulk and thickness and the spring mechanism in the phone always feels ready to snap. HTC doesn't have any high quality WP7 devices just yet. I hope the HD7s fixes that.
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Have you held an Arrive? I swear you must be handling a different phone. Because, when I saw pictures, I questioned it, but upon feeling and using it, I can only say it is top notch.
Yeah, I would have preferred a 4" screen. But as for keyboard phones go, it is the same thickness as every other one on market. It is pretty heavy though, which I can only attribute to the use of quality materials over the super light plasticy materials of my focus.
I admit that a keyboard phone is not my first choice of form factor, and if I could get a Focus with the case materials of my Arrive, I would - but that is not happening. As far as screen type (size aside) this is one of the best LCD screens on the market. So you can't fault it for that. You can prefer AMOLED tech, I understand that, but for LCD, the Arrive has a very nice display.

to each its own you know, but I will say this I test phones through my employment and in terms on the measure of quality this is by far the best landscape slider in the buisness currently. The bulk and weight is obvious, but compared to a phone quality it matches like the Iphone 4 it is only 4.2mm thicker then it. They also use the same metal componets from Foxconn, and the glass screen is as well identical. The spring mechinism has been tested by us as well to withstand a substantial amount of pressure without breaking, so no it hardly feels like it will break. Again understand all are personal opinions, but facts are facts.

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Those were my words!
Have you held an Arrive? I swear you must be handling a different phone. Because, when I saw pictures, I questioned it, but upon feeling and using it, I can only say it is top notch.
Yeah, I would have preferred a 4" screen. But as for keyboard phones go, it is the same thickness as every other one on market. It is pretty heavy though, which I can only attribute to the use of quality materials over the super light plasticy materials of my focus.
I admit that a keyboard phone is not my first choice of form factor, and if I could get a Focus with the case materials of my Arrive, I would - but that is not happening. As far as screen type (size aside) this is one of the best LCD screens on the market. So you can't fault it for that. You can prefer AMOLED tech, I understand that, but for LCD, the Arrive has a very nice display.
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I own every U.S. released WP7 devices. The heft can't always be attributed to quality. I assure you the Focus' cheap plastic comes with a purpose, go drop both of them from about a 5 foot height (where most people hold their phones) and see which one comes out in better condition. The hardware for the Arrive truly is last gen even compared to all of the other WP7 devices on the market (surround aside), the keyboard was about the only redeeming feature on the device but the response from the keys felt cheap and when typing really fast it tended to randomly skip 3 or 4 letters in a row. They've come out with keyboard devices with form factor like the G2, why work backwards and re-release a device that was already outdated upon it's initial release? (TP2)

yeah ive come to the conclusion you just dont like the Arrive which is fine, but your statemnts are very biased, and not factual at all. So there really isnt much else to discuss with you in paticular. For everyone else I highly recommend this device if your on sprint, over all of these android devices out now, and coming like the Nexus S, and EVO 3d thanks.

thank god
i did not wait until arrive.