My new XDA Orbit (not overclocked) has a reasonable speed for most functions, EXCEPT when trying to access my 8000 Contacts:
1. Opening the Contacts screen can take up to 30 secs, although on my XDA IIi it's virtually instantaneous.
2. Finding a Contact by typing in the first few letters can take even longer.
3. It took me nearly 5 hours to ActiveSync (v4.1) these 8000 contacts onto my Orbit, whereas it only takes about 15 mins with a cold-booted XDA IIi.
Any ideas how I can drastically speed up any or all of the above?
Many thanks in advance
Steve
ähem 8000 contacts?
I think THAT is the reason why it is soo slow.
I guess the reason is WM5. The contacts database is not stored in volatile (fast) memory, but in flash memory (slow).
The good thing: in case of empty battery you wont lose your 8000 contacts.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/07/14/438991.aspx
Thanks.
Well, as I said, it is virtually instantanous on my XDA IIi, but on the Orbit, it's like watching paint dry (except slower!)
Also, I'm surprised it's that much slower just opening a screen, or doing a search. Isn't it indexed?
Also, is there a way to store them in volatile (fast) memory, or adding faster indexing, perhaps through a 3rd party app?
Thanks
Steve
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I got my PDA2K two weeks ago. The internal phone application is
a joke, not much human engineering in it.
I'm already spent hours and hours in the search for the ONE program
that will replace this miserable internal phone application that comes
with the PDA2K.
It seems they are all far from perfect, although combining them
would probably make up for a complete good solution.
I also have Pocket Informant.
The replaceemnt either do not log the stuff in pocket informant as well.
The PDA2K also contains the internal Photo Contacts application
that some 3rd parties are replacing with a worse one.
Then you have the PocketZenPhone which is good in itself.
It seems you need like 10 different phone softwares to work
right with the PDA2K.
so far I tried PhonePlus from mesoftware.biz, the interllidialer (with no
success) and the interllipad (which showed a new keyboard like
input method but cliking on it didn't do much). I also need it in English.
Any help would be MORE than appreciated.. And I 'm also going to
Donate for this site which is HEAVEN!
The Intellidialer shouuld be a good sulution, if you run SE
Maybe you forgot to reset after installing it?
At least it gives you better access to your contacts.
well i was able to install the intellidialer (it's the intellipad that was installed with no change). anyway, the intellidialer is better than the internal app but a far cry from being called good. the finding of the contacts is too small to operate by one hand. If you try the PhonePlus2 you will know what I mean, the buttons on the later app for the quick lookup of names are much bigger and placed better suited for one hand operation.
What you need is fingerclix
http://www.imaginet-software.com/index.aspx?p=fingerclix_en
you could try potala telly
some nice features
very fancy interface
a bit slow at time though
Am I missing something here? What's wrong with hitting the contacts hardware button, press and hold down on the D pad until the first letter of the contact name appears, select the contact, select the number and you're done? It takes about five seconds to dial any number in my contacts list with just one hand.
I assume there must be more to your question but I don't see what?
I have over 1000 contacts and thats just not practical
Have you tried using CONTACTBREEZE to dial with? SBSH have added features for those of us with Pocket PC Phones.
I'm getting a fair bit of slowdown recently on my MDA Compact lll. For instance, I'll reboot and then find I get very delayed response if I click on something, ( such as contacts, sim card, tomtom, etc) like it's thinking about it and working hard to bring up the information. It can take forever. Sometimes the tomtom logo on the desktop doesn't appear. And sometimes the contact list shows up empty even though the scroll bar is working on the right, so it knows there's a list of contacts but they're invisible until I reboot.
It can take up to 3 reboots before everything is back to normal and responding fast again. I've done several hard resets recently so it's not like it needs formatting. Could something be corrupted? I was thinking maybe corruption of the storage card, but then why would it affect the contacts list which is not on the storage card.
Yet another thread that gets no replies. Seriously, this forum is ****.
Only just seen this..
When monitoring the startup of my XDA Orbit it uses around 85-90% memory for at least a minute until it settles down to 50%.
What contacts software are you using and do you have SPB Pocket Plus installed?
Nick
dontpannic said:
Only just seen this..
When monitoring the startup of my XDA Orbit it uses around 85-90% memory for at least a minute until it settles down to 50%.
What contacts software are you using and do you have SPB Pocket Plus installed?
Nick
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Hi. No contacts software other than the default WM5. I just transferred my 118 phone contacts from my sim card to the phones own contact list. Nope, I don't have SPB Pocket Plus on my phone.
The title is a bit of a provocation to attract people to the thread
To start with: animation, menus, etc... are quite fluid (Though less than on my M2D custom Rom on my Hermes, but that's not my point here, secreen def is much higher and it's 3D...)
My problem (that mya have I fix, at least I hope so) is quite specific:
In some menus accessing to data is VERY slow and I dont understand why
1. When accessing to a contact (So clicking from the lists of contats) it takes several seconds to have the contact details appear. This is VERY annoying. Does it come from my numer of contacts (900), I dont think so... It looks a bit like something is being downloaded, or some extra info put in memory... difficult to tell but anywya I would like to kow if you have the same problem
2. When accessing SMS from Manilla 3d... it takes ages to open the first SMS in the pile or to open "All messages". It's quite weird: if I swap through the task manager to the SMS application... it switches in an instant. If I have the SMS application already open and try to access it through the manila 3D...
(I have quite a lot of SMS, but less than emails, or which it is less slow)
I noticed some similar slowlyness in some otehr parts but just cant remeber where
Otherwise to bith about about Manilla 3D (that I do still really like... at least froma "look" point of view): too many important menus are missing compared to WM6.1 original menus. Like choose which folder you can activesync within your email folders, or save a phone number from a newly received SMS into an existing contact (Can only sve in a new one...). Etc, etc...
Anyway to chose which original WM6.1 menus are prompted / not prompted ?
To address your pts...
1. I think the lag has to do with the new "People-centric" contact card. It take a little time to gather all emails, calls, and messages with a particular person. You probably won't experience this lag if you use the default Windows Mobile contact app.
2. What I mentioned in 1 applies here too. So, I never click the messages directly in TF3D because this actually opens the contact card. I keep the messaging app opened at all times. Just click All Messages to quickly see the threaded conversation if you have to. If you use "Reply" from TF3D, the composing window will also open faster (if you have the messaging app opened already)
1. Agreed that's what I suspect... But I dont have the proof. Yes the default Windows Mobile App is much faster
There must be a workaround like starting to open what is immediately available for the contact while loading the rest in the bakground
Unfortunately this may be a litle too deep and needs a different code --> not fixable with some regedit
Hopefully we are wrong. The "people-centric" thing is on of the reason why I like the TP2 (Definitely not the only one) and if this means waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact, HTC just ****ed up on it (It's not acceptable when you need to open several contacts)
2. Yes I use already only "All message" since clicking on the message takes ages to open
BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
All in all it's nice to offer good looking features, but if the price is such a sluggishness I think there is nothing to be proud of
Luckily HTC will improve this with time (But still, it's really annoying)
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... waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
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BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
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Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?
Then I must have a problem with my device (or my ocntacts (I have nearly 1,000). I just tried one contact right now from the list of all contacts: 12 seconds (Yeah befoire I was just giving an estimate...). I tried anoterh one , 17 seconds... (Piture or no picture doesnt change anything)
These figures is rom opening a contact from the list of all contacts in TF3D
I guess you understand how annoyd I am... And cliking on "Back" to come back from the list of contacts to the main menu (WHer you see "Add favorites") takes 5 seconds
I really hope to find a solution...
For the last part, sorry my mistake it's when I click on the messages tab that it takes around 4 seconds to have the messages menu and I na click on the bottom left menu "All messages" (Then after it's quick)
I have a serious problem with my TF3D...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?
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The very interesting thing is if I open the same contact by clicking at its name from let's say an email, it's nearly instantaneous (like half a second)
What's wrong with my phone ?? Anybody with the same issue ?
your insane amount of contacts are prolly slowing everything down.
a 1000 contacs is normal, i have more than 1500 on my TP2
its true that TF3D sometimes slow, i mean, those things sometimes happen also to me, but not always, only sometimes, maybe when the TP2 processess a lot or memory almost done for
1000 contacts is alot but this is a business device so that really shouldnt be a problem imho.
Though I doubt WM uses any kind of clever database method for storing them, not like SQL Server mobile is installed on the phone with Intel QuadCore, so I think some slowdown is to be expected mate tbh
Yes it's a professional device 1,000 contacts should not be an issue (Actually it's mostly friends, but let's say that for a geek I enjoy quite a crazy social life)
Anyway it was handled properly on my Hermes with Manilla 2D. I am very disapointed it is not the case with the TP2
Again the very strange thing is if I open the contact by clicking on name in my emails title, I get the contact file to open nearly immediately. If it's from the list of contacts... 10 seconds at least. This doenst make sense
and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)
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and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)
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Ha! you don't necessary have to slide to "Answer the call". You can always just press the hardware Answer button (left answer call key) to answer it. That will solved your problem
Anybody on my open contact issue ?
I may be kind f an exception and probably very few people are in my case, however I'd like to know if anybody has fuond a solution
I have more than 1,000 contacts and over 15,000 SMS. Yeah I know it's a lot but I dotn wnat to archive my SMS and I need my contacts
It was very well handled on my Hermes with Manilla 2D (Everything was quick, responsive, etc...)
With Sense, from the original one with Win 6.1 at delivery of the phone, up to Sense 2.1 and now 2.5 every upgrade has made the management of contacts and SMS slower and slower (To the extent I sometimes have to wait a minute obetween 2 operation, it's just laughable for all friends who have iphones, Nokias, etc...)
Simply put, whenever leaving a conversation within my SMS list (hitting the back button in Win 6.5.3) I have to wait a looong time. Similarly when leaving a contact and going back to the main list or clicking on a contact in the main list. When viewing a contact, clicking on the tab for conversations is also really really slow
I guess it has a lot to do with the integration at the contacts level of the different elements (Facebook, conversations, etc...) an dif I had to take a bet it would be the link to SMSs
It's making me all the more pissed off that old Manilla versions work perfectly and handle thsi very smoothly
So my question are:
1. has someone found a way to speed up the SMS application (or using another SMS application that is faster, typically the "Good old one" from pevious Manilla versions ?
2. Is there somewhere a cache or a buffer that I could increase allowing a smoother operation of the SMS application
3. Has someone managed to disable the tab (or the link) pointing on a contact to the conversations with this contact ?
Thanks a lot for your ideas & suggestions
Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.
KevinACrider said:
Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.
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I do not doubt it will be faster but I'd like to keep them
My poiunt is wioth WM6.1 and Manilla 2D it was impressively FAST on an old Hermes !
this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.
Jeyo mobile extender
Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.
dineshh said:
Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.
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I dont wanna give up having them on my phone
Especially since my old HTC handles them properly
The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.
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The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.
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It's actually with a ROM including the previous SMS client
But eyah anyway HTC has lots of work to do...
I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.
dzwacki said:
this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.
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Yes agreed. It happened for me only on Win 6.5 and it seems to be re-indexing the whole conversation everytime (I was away on holidays, did a few tests and came back with the same conclusion)
By disabling the threaded SMS I solved the problme (And it handles very smoothly my 20,000 SMSs...)
hilux38 said:
I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.
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I agree "Unacceptable" is the word that comes first to my mind (and very surprised not to see more threads about this)
It seems to be a WM 6.5 issue (I tried without Sense and I have the same issue). WM 6.1 was working perfectly for me
It might be an option somewhere in the registry. I will see if I can find it (Although I doubt it...)
That said it seems to get better with time, so I suppose it's rebuilding one way or the other the indexation bit by bit while you click on a conversation (It may very simply be that PIM backup doesn't save all the necessary information (which is normal since was created before threaded SMS clients were created) and WM 6.5 doesn't handle this as smoothly as WM6.1 did)
Lats complain (And for this I really don't know what's up, maybe it's linked to the SMS issue, since everything is linked on the contact page): opening a contact takes ages (When you have lots of them), and going back to the list of contacts from teh contact view takes... even longer
When I say ages I mean a minute or more
Totally was just going to post a thread similar to this. You simply beat me to it Yeah I noticed that for the Sense 2.1, when you go to the "messaging" tab it will say messaging but it will take like a minute to load the most recent message you received. I remember 6.1 it was instantaneous. I disabled the TF3D messaging to that it just has the windows threaded messaging but the loading time is still the same. Same goes for the contacts tab.
Look at my last post on this thread. Might be the same issue I had...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594249
I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...
Alcibiade said:
I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...
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I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.
rouxdoo said:
I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.
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I have only 1,100... Yes Activesync is slow like hell. BUT opening contacts or coming back to the main list from an opened contact is incredibly slow. More than annoying... It makes it unmanageable
I am not sure it's linked to the number of contacts though
What really sucks is old version of HTC's software dont have these shortcomings...
I don't know either its my phone that lags or the rom, but recently after installing Energy rom, going into sms mode to send a text to someone takes at least 10 seconds. Is there a fix for this? Or is it my phone's problem
I've read that it's got something to do with WinMo 6.5. I don't have in depth knowledge of the topic myself. All I can tell you from my personal experience is that I've seen the same lag ever since I got off of the stock Sprint 6.1 ROM. (Been using variations of MightyRom ever since). It aggravates the hell out of me.
I bought this phone because, at the time, it was the best Windows Mobile phone on the market. If this was the best, I'd hate to see the worst. It doesn't even do simple BS like SMS as well as my old throw-away LG dumbphone did. Don't even get me started on the lagginess, freeze-ups and other pains of the 'advanced' functions...
Yeah with my TP2 whenever I open a text convo, do my thing, then exit.. it takes atleast 10-15 seconds to un-freeze into the All Messages window.. tried clearing the ram, but still nothing..
This is horrible! I recently started having this problem, if you have a really long text message conversation, the phone becomes completely un******* usable. I threw mine out the window of my truck today I was so aggravated. Mine has gotten to the point that you have to pull the battery out, or wait 5-10 minutes after you close out the text messaging thread. I'm getting an Evo - I really want to stay on TP2 but if I cant even text message, this phone/winmo 6.5 is totally junk. I'm hoping someone has a fix or tweak for this.
The only solution is to purge your messages, Arcsoft likes to load up all the messages before allowing you to do anything, sucking up alot of RAM and CPU, so less messages = less work, you could also try the classic text messaging (non threaded), the new overclock app kinda helps with this stuff. And the HTC messaging client as a last resort. the structure of the app is different and it doesnt take quite as long to load the messages, and it unloads itself much quicker than arcsoft in my experience.
I try to not to keep any SMS older than 2 weeks. I'm not one of these SMS crack-junkies that likes to keep 20k messages on their phone. I only regularly text maybe 4-5 people, so I never have more than a couple hundred messages on my phone at any given time.
I'd actually delete them sooner, but there's no decent app to purge based on message age. SMSPurger is a slow, buggy piece of junk, and nobody else seems to have written an alternative.
That brings me back to my old LG phone. It had a function where it would auto delete the oldest message once the combined sent/received list hit 300(?) messages. New message comes in, oldest one gets deleted. Why is it my WinMo superphone can't do something this simple?
If the issue is that you want an auto delete program, then the reasoning is that No one like to develop for WinMo, and the SMS has kind of always been an issue on the Professional Version, I had no problems with the SMS on my first WinMo device, the Moto Q9h (kinda miss it). I have had SMS issues on all 4 of my PPCs LG CT810 (incite) hTC Raphael (Touch Pro), Rhodium 210 (Touch Pro 2) and Rhodium 300 (Tilt 2). Best solution I have had, purchase Sms-chat if you really like your texting, It was lag free, and worked 100%, the only thing that I didnt like was the cheesy iPhone rip off. The main reason I still get WinMo is because I HATE apple. - but anyway, your issue is suffered by many, and it might take a while to solve.
hi
Just install the fix from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664915
I did it and it solved problems with sms in manila 2.5- no need to purge or delete long conversations.