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TomTom 5

Hello, just thought I would share my problems with you after installing TomTom 5.
I use a Blueangel (badged as XDA2S) with all the latest patches etc, but with the standard ROM.
After installing TomTom 5 I get the following problems.
1. No Virtual (screen) keyboard
2. The signal strengh meter does not display any bars or indicate the number of satellites locked onto
3. When I save my "home" position it only saves the co-ordinates in that session. If I shut down TomTom and re-start it then the "home position is lost
4. If I receive a call whilst the navigator is running, my XDA really struggles to display the telephone interface.
5. There is no option to change screen sizes
I suffered NONE of the above whilst using TomTom 3 so I have just removed TT5 and re-installed TT3 WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.
TT5 worked well apart from the points above, but most of all I loved the extra detail and the super quick rastering/vectoring on the graphics whilst on the move.
Does anyone know if TT4 is worth installing, and what are the advantages of it over TT3?
Cheers
Fatzzz

Virtual screen keyboard is a known problem, if you use "Advanced Planning" the OSKB works fine (or at least it does on my unit XDAIIs), the lack of sat info is strange are you leaving it long enough to sincro - it could take upto 20 min for the first time? is it wired or BT if wired is the IRdA ll beams still selected - if so turn it off and the wired unit will work I have had endless problems with my unit and in the end swapped it for another identical handset - and now it all works - I never got TT3 to work correctly as I use a BT headset and the TT3 locked it out from connecting, TT5 doesn't work fully with the XDAII2s using BT GPS and headset - when you terminate a call it closes down the GPS connection as well - since I have now set it all up running vs5 with wired GPS and BT headset its great - it does exactly what I want, check you settings and get back to me with more specific info if you want - mike

Hmm, intrigued that you say when you use "advanced planning" with TT5 on XDAIIs as if I use this option the OSKB is still missing

Hi, I get no problems navigating at all, but still no keyboard even using the advanced route planning.
Bluetooth worked fine with TT5 and TT3.
Cheers

OK I need to quantify that - I use the advancd planning to find destination on the map and save that as a fav, once this done the OSKB pops up and you can re-name it to what ever you want, its not ideal but I am prepared to live with it untill someone comes up with a fix - tt3 was much better but not on the XDA totally useless, having said that the new XDA O2 have given me has worked faultlesly since Saturday, perhaps the first one was a rougue unit time will tell, first impressions pretty good, no reset in three days and satnav plus phone operable whilst on the road - what it should have done in the first place

Problems with 02 Orbit and Copilot

I've been having problems with copilot - it fails to acquire any satellites until I soft reset; then it works fine. A couple of days later I try using copilot again and the same thing happens. Anybody got any suggestions (other than use TomTom which I found was much more useable on my last XDA)?

are you updating the quick gps software every 3 days ? that may help but doesnt sound good enough

no - i'll give this a try, but it shouldn't stop it acquiring a fix even if it does take longer - I've waited for at least 10 minutes which is how long stone age GPSs used to take...

I definately think it's Co-Pilot verifiying the NMEA data that gets sent down. It's good because it ensures you don't get eratic positions (or most of the time anyway), but bad because as you've found out it takes a while longer to aply a fix. Can't really recommend anything other than to ensure QuickGPS is upto date.
Put it this way, the GPS program we wrote at work I've tried on my Orbit and I can get a signal lock in about 4 seconds with a pretty damn close position of where I am, so it's definately not the hardware (unless it's your particular phone).

Anyone heard if GPS lag problem is fixed?

The only reason I didn't buy a Touch Pro was the problem with GPS accuracy and lag when using TomTom (I use TomTom all the time on my Eten Glofish M700 and have got used to the quick locking and excellent performance of the SIRF III chipset in this phone).
Does anyone know if the GPS lag problems have been fixed in the Touch Pro 2?

I searched around and didn't see an answer to this yet.
Has it been fixed?
Seeing the tips and tricks section contain the same suggestion as we had for the TP makes me think not . . .

I now own a TP2 and can confirm that there is virtually no lag with either iGo8 or TT7 - both are perfectly usable

Using tt7 side by side with a TomTomGO they talk at the same time.....so no lag.....

I have been using TP2 with Garmin and Igo8 and comparing the lag with my in dash car Garmin side by side (using the same map).. can confirm that TP2 perform as good as my Kaiser .... no lag....

TP2 GPS
If TP2 GPS is the same as Kaiser, it's pretty bad. It takes forever to lock in Kaiser

rotaflex said:
If TP2 GPS is the same as Kaiser, it's pretty bad. It takes forever to lock in Kaiser
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Both devices have different qualcomm chip and TP2 has an almost instant fix if you setup QuickGPS to update automatically.....

No problems here either, I have a fix within 20 seconds and it works great with TomTom 7! So I'd say go for it...

I also don't have any lag.
But I make sure that all other programs are closed.
Try installing you TomTom program files (not the rest) in main memory.
And try a softreset before you start navigating.

Using it with Navigon and no lag at all. Plus i get an almost instant GPS fix which is way better than the Touch Cruise I had before.

for me the TP2's GPS lock-on is almost instant, especially if you use advanced config and enable A-GPS

I'm pretty gutted reading all these posts, as my GPS is a small nightmare. It fixes VERY quickly - no probs there.
But - and I have done all suggested tweaks - there is a serious lag issue for certain. TT has to play serious catchip when you turn etc.
Think there are others in same situation as well if I remember correctly from previous threads.

martinjclarke said:
It fixes VERY quickly - no probs there.
there is a serious lag issue for certain. TT has to play serious catchip when you turn etc.
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Same here.
All tweaks applied, fix is instant, but turning on the highway on a exit ramp is a nightmare.
TT is always 20 meters behind.
Also, when i boot the TP2 the GPS fix is instant, when the phone has been running for a few days and I start TT, the fix takes ages.
A restart of the TP2 solves this, after the reboot the fix is instant again.
Second problem: Sometimes using the TT for more than 30 minutes, the nav completely locks the current location.
Like there is the same location coming from the GPS.
Restarting TT solves it. This effect occurs rarely, but is annoying none the less.

Fanman1976 said:
Same here.
Second problem: Sometimes using the TT for more than 30 minutes, the nav completely locks the current location.
Like there is the same location coming from the GPS.
Restarting TT solves it. This effect occurs rarely, but is annoying none the less.
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Same here but this is TomTom problem....

Fanman1976 said:
Same here.
All tweaks applied, fix is instant, but turning on the highway on a exit ramp is a nightmare.
TT is always 20 meters behind.
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Just a thought.... do you think it could have anything to do with the read speed of a slower class SD card. I have a 16GB class 2 microSD card. Or maybe it's just an issue with reading the maps off the card.
I noticed that as well as my maps lagging, my music skips as well when the GPS is running.
Maybe it has nothing at all to do with the GPS.
Just my two cents!

I have bad lag on mine as well. The lock is pretyt much instant, no problems there, but lag on TT7, iGO8, Navigon are all the same - they all lag by at least 2 seconds and it's incredibly frustrating.
I've done so many different suggested tweaks, gone through advice from HTC, nothing changes it at all. So I don't know if it's a hardware problem if some are getting no lag and others aren't?
I'm running an 8GB class 6 SanDisk card. It's formatted correctly and everything, and ran like a dream on my Kaiser, but like a dog on TP2. I'm giving it another month or so (since it's a new phone), but if there's no fix from HTC by then, the phone's going into them to get looked at and will keep going back until my gps runs as well as some those with no lag.

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Well, this is slightly encouraging, but at the same time there were plenty of people who claimed their TP worked great and we all know the majority of those were ****ed with GPS lag.
Guess time will tell as more people get these in the US esp.

Yep - works fine using Memory Map too - bit slow on googlemaps, but that's just the time it takes to download the pictures.

runs great on my tp2...try to uncheck poi`s. more poi`s activated on mapview means more lag...i`ve had this problem on my i780 too.

Pocket informant - Device freeze / crash

Hey all,
I've got a problem with pocket informant on my Rhodium.
Every 1-3 days PI freezes when I tap one of the soft buttons to access the PI menus. It always needs a soft-reset to get going again.
I havent been able to reproduce the problem, It seems to be somewhat random. It happens when the device is used for several days (all sorts of apps running) and when it just had a soft-reset. It seems to be a Dutch-rom problem since its been posted over a the Topaz forum too. And only users with a dutch rom have replied so far confirming the problem. ( LINK )
To sum it up: Seemingly random freezes after tapping soft-keys in Pocket Informant.
- No 3th party software seems to be involved
- Not device specific (Topaz and Rhodium affected)
- Seems to be Dutch-rom specific
ROM: 1.19.404.1 (51489) NLD
Radio: 3.44.25.27
PI version: 8.51
Anyone using PI on the TP2 having this problem too?

Had hte same problem
Go into settings>General and set it to use classic menus (not the soft key menu). Save out of settings and close PI. Open go into settings (General settings) and set it back to soft keys. close out of settings, close out of PI.
Worked for me.

aivanblanken said:
Hey all,
I've got a problem with pocket informant on my Rhodium.
Every 1-3 days PI freezes when I tap one of the soft buttons to access the PI menus. It always needs a soft-reset to get going again.
I havent been able to reproduce the problem, It seems to be somewhat random. It happens when the device is used for several days (all sorts of apps running) and when it just had a soft-reset. It seems to be a Dutch-rom problem since its been posted over a the Topaz forum too. And only users with a dutch rom have replied so far confirming the problem. ( LINK )
To sum it up: Seemingly random freezes after tapping soft-keys in Pocket Informant.
- No 3th party software seems to be involved
- Not device specific (Topaz and Rhodium affected)
- Seems to be Dutch-rom specific
ROM: 1.19.404.1 (51489) NLD
Radio: 3.44.25.27
PI version: 8.51
Anyone using PI on the TP2 having this problem too?
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if you read the official forum, they state it's a bug with htc large menu: it might be related to some languages, having sensibly longer words than english, that make it crash. it's htc fault, their code has some kind of bug. that explains the rhodium / topaz being affected, and why the dutch rom (but it's not the only language affected)
I had the same problem on a rhodium using the italian translation of PI. Tried with an english version, and so far so good, never froze again. Never. simply perfect!
surely they've taken into account this problem for newer versions of PI (I wouldn't rely that much on htc..)
regards

No problem on my TP2 using PI 8.52

[APP] TomTom Launcher for disabling timeout

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Having trouble keeping the program focusing, so does not work yet.
It's a basic program which makes sure the display doesn't timeout while TomTom is running. Devices such as the HTC Maple and the HTC Excalibur doesn't support this function natively.
I have only tested it on my HTC Maple and it works fine. The default path to TomTom is \Storage Card\Program Files\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe
It comes with two programs, one is for launching TomTom and the other one is to change the default path. I suggest copying the files into your TomTom folder, but it doesn't matter. Remember to create a shortcut to the launcher and add it to your startmenu for easy access.
It could work on the HTC Excalibur but I haven't tested yet, so If someone could test and reply to this thread, that would be great.

Hmm?!? I've been using WinMo for quite some years, since Qtek S200 and also serveral different versions of TomTom, 5 6 and 7, and I never, but never saw my pda going timeout due to TomTom...
The same I cannot say of iGo8...

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Hmm?!? I've been using WinMo for quite some years, since Qtek S200 and also serveral different versions of TomTom, 5 6 and 7, and I never, but never saw my pda going timeout due to TomTom...
The same I cannot say of iGo8...
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I think the timeout being referred to is when you have a PIN setup? I am going to download and try on Diamond - will post result.

Can it be used for Garmin as well?
I don't know about Tom Tom but I have the same issue with Garmin - could you modify this app so that it will so the same for Garmin? WOuld be greatly appreciated

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I think the timeout being referred to is when you have a PIN setup? I am going to download and try on Diamond - will post result.
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What pin setup??

onesolo said:
Hmm?!? I've been using WinMo for quite some years, since Qtek S200 and also serveral different versions of TomTom, 5 6 and 7, and I never, but never saw my pda going timeout due to TomTom...
The same I cannot say of iGo8...
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Your right, I've used the HTC Universal and that work fine for TomTom. But with phones such as the HTC Excalibur and now my phone the HTC Maple, the TomTom times out. So the problem probably vary with different phones and maybe even different TomTom version.
Ross202 said:
I don't know about Tom Tom but I have the same issue with Garmin - could you modify this app so that it will so the same for Garmin? WOuld be greatly appreciated
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Have you tried using this program with Garmin as well? Even though it says its for tomtom it could be used for other programs.
If it doesn't work its probably because your device has a different pvDevice name than my HTC Maple. The pvDevice name is needed to access the power functions on the phone (Mine is BKL1: ). What is your device name? I could check the pvDevice name and update the program to work with your phone and my phone

Same issue with Garmin
Have you tried using this program with Garmin as well? Even though it says its for tomtom it could be used for other programs.
If it doesn't work its probably because your device has a different pvDevice name than my HTC Maple. The pvDevice name is needed to access the power functions on the phone (Mine is BKL1: ). What is your device name? I could check the pvDevice name and update the program to work with your phone and my phone [/QUOTE]
Thanks for the prompt reply. I am currently using my old iMate JasJam (runs wm6.1) as the GPS chip on my HD2 died. It is - hopefully - being repaired as we speak. However, as I am off to the Czech Republic in a week for a holiday I may have to use it instead. Nothing worse than having to restart the phone every 5 min as you are walking around trying to see the sights.
Don't know what "pvDevice name" is or where to find it. Under Device settings in wm6.1 it says my model no is Herm100 and Platform is PocketPC using CRCs rom version r13.5 but I'm guessing that's not what you are referring to.
I will try just installing it and see what happens. Any further help would be greatly appreciated as this app would be brilliant.
Edit: 1: Just edited the "Save TomTom.exe path" file to point the Tom Tom Navigator launcher to Garmin instead. This has worked to launch Garmin instead of Tom Tom but it still cuts out after a few minutes. I also have S2U2 running so I will add Garmin to the Exceptional Exe list on that and see if that helps.
Edit: 2: Still turned itself even after adding to S2U2 Exceptional Exe's!

Ross202 said:
Thanks for the prompt reply. I am currently using my old iMate JasJam (runs wm6.1) as the GPS chip on my HD2 died. It is - hopefully - being repaired as we speak. However, as I am off to the Czech Republic in a week for a holiday I may have to use it instead. Nothing worse than having to restart the phone every 5 min as you are walking around trying to see the sights.
Don't know what "pvDevice name" is or where to find it. Under Device settings in wm6.1 it says my model no is Herm100 and Platform is PocketPC using CRCs rom version r13.5 but I'm guessing that's not what you are referring to.
I will try just installing it and see what happens. Any further help would be greatly appreciated as this app would be brilliant.
Edit: 1: Just edited the "Save TomTom.exe path" file to point the Tom Tom Navigator launcher to Garmin instead. This has worked to launch Garmin instead of Tom Tom but it still cuts out after a few minutes. I also have S2U2 running so I will add Garmin to the Exceptional Exe list on that and see if that helps.
Edit: 2: Still turned itself even after adding to S2U2 Exceptional Exe's!
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Im really sorry. I just did a full test today and It seems even I can't get it working . The screen stays on but it loses focus after a while. I'll start working on it now!
When you say "cuts out after a few minutes" is that the display turning off? Or just Garmin losing focus?

Nothing to apologise for - just to have someone develop such an app and make it available for free is a privilege - wish I had the knowledge and skills to do it.
To answer your question, the screen turns off - I have to press the screen-on button at the side of the jasjam, then navigate to the Garmin program launch icon and press it. The program comes back up to where it left off so I guess it must still be running in the background. Of course, when I am on external power this is not a problem - it keeps running. OK in the car but not much good when walking around.
I have noticed that in System/Backlight settings the screen is set to turn off after 5min when on Battery Power so I have unchecked this option, ie screen shouldn't ever turn off. This seems to be working; however, when Garmin is turned off I then have to remember to reset the backlight-off timeout otherwise I'll quickly have a flat battery.
Nowhere near as elegant as your app promises to be.
Have had Garmin running for past 10 min while I have been typing/composing this reply and it hasn't dropped out ..... yet.
What do you mean by "losing focus"

Further to above, I have had Garmin running non-stop since the above post - 30 min - so unchecking the "turn off screen backlight" seems to have done the trick. Now I just have to go through the nausea of manually checking it again in he system properties.
Thanks for your assistance.

What do you mean by "losing focus"
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Its just like your desktop, when you are doing something in a window, be it typing, mouse clicking etc, you are focused to that window. But as soon as you click another window your focus changes to that window. So whats happening with this program is its focused on TomTom for around 30s but then it is losing focus to something in the background. Nothing visually happens on the screen, but as soon as I press a key it switches to the background.
It sounds like even the backlight doesn't stay on for you...
Hopefully I can figure this problem out by soon, when I do, ill post

For your info, I have two settings that seem to be relevant both related to Battery Power:
1. Settings>System>backlight>battery power> uncheck "turnoff backlight if device not used for ..."
2. Settings>System>power>advanced> on battery power> uncheck "turnoff device if device not used for ..."
When the Garmin first turned itself off I noted that "1" was checked and set to 5 minutes and "2" was checked and set to 2 minutes. 2 minutes seemed to be the time it took before the phone/screen turned itself off. Once I unchecked "1" the setting @ "2" was irrelevant.
Re loss of focus - no, the screen went blank. When I pressed the power on button for the screen the "today" screen came back up. I then pressed the program launcher>Garmin and Garmin resumed where it had left off.
Hope this helps. Regards Ross

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