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Hi all
I just got myself sent a Hermes the other day and I was looking around here, my favourite XDA resource, for nifty things I could do with it. One thing that seems to be all the rage is upgrading to WM6. Now, I'm all in favour of upgrading and the amount of information and material here is, well, staggering. Overwhelming even. But, for all I read, I miss one critical thing: why do we upgrade to WM6? What does it give us that WM5 doesn't?
All I see, at the moment, is a swankier interface and a faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed? I guess I'm looking for an excuse to do this
Lastly, as I mentioned, there's almost too much information about all this. i can follow the guides and tools for installation but one thing will vex me if I was to upgrade - and that's which ROM to use. Now I'm certain every one of you has a favourite and so I'm not looking for a definitive recommendation, but what the hot ones that I should look into at the moment? As I see it, the "XDA Live" and "Black" see pretty popular..
Cheers!
Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.
wywywywy said:
Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.
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Pretty much says it all. I never soft reset anymore. More memory, faster than WM5, better tweaks, and has some things WM5 didn't cooked in to the ROM. As for the risk of bricking, that's an extremely low risk, very minimal actually, if you follow the guide and wiki.
and html email is not to be sneezed at.
Because we can!
Mobile Office 2k7 can read o2k7 native formats. You will never see this on WM5 unless some imgfs God with a lot of time on his/her hands ports it there....
Native SD card encryption is Huge. The A2DP stack is a thing of wonder too....
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Because we can!
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exactly!!!!!!!!
My softbank x01ht came with WM5 and the only upgrade I did was the radio upgrade to 1.40.
May be it is my luck, but my x01ht seems really stable in its original ROM version (WM5 aku 2), I have never hard reset and the machine seems really stable. So my need to upgrade to WM6 to avoid system hang is not really existing.
Also, I use a lot of BUILT-IN functions such as Push Email, Wifi and Chinese support (my x01ht was flashed with a Hong Kong version 838 pro ROM before sold to me). If ANY one of such functions is WORSE in WM6 than in WM5, than WM6 is a no no for me. I can't stand any frequent freeze of the x01ht because I now depend solely on it for my daily phone/PIM use. If I don't have it working 100% normal, then I will lose many important phone calls.
I see WM6 really as an evolution of WM5. In WM6, MS has fixed many bugs that were in WM5, for example:
- Crappy A2DP
- WiFi now supports WPA
- HTML email
- Faster and more stable
- I'm sure MS has updated little things here and there to make WM6 more telco-standards (GSM, etc.) compliant
Well, are you still using Windows 95 on your PC?
My reasons for upgrading have been for (in order of importance) the speed, bug fixes, better memory management, the X button actually closing the app not just minimising it, Office updates, better compatibility and usability in the new Internet Explorer, etc.
When I bought my TyTN I was shocked by how slowly it responded to user input compared to previous Pocket PCs I'd owned.
After the developments that started occurring here a few months ago, there really was no turning back. I upgraded and now the OS is quick and very responsive. WM6 has been a godsend. The phone application also doesn't take 3-4 seconds to load when I press the call button to answer a call like it used to!
WM6 also has a much more polished look to it I think.
hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
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I did it simply because WM5 was a little unstable and I love experimenting / playing with stuff like this.
A side benefit which I didn't know I would get is the LVSW version that I installed allows WPA2 & WPA2-PSK authentication on the Wi-Fi. That meant I could run my Hermes at the same security as my network and didn't have to modify my wireless router and other PCs.
There's probably still a few other good reasons that haven't been mentioned in this thread yet.
Cheers, Oggy.
Bug fixing, more speed,...
With WM5 I had issues like the phone applicatoin reacted too slowy on an incomming call. so i missed the call. Or sometimes it even didn't ring.
WM6 works in that point.
bingobob said:
hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
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Did you install TomTom 6.03??? As of that version I never had freezes anymore...
I to have tomtom lockup and sloooooowwwww to get map directions. Please I miss my fast tomtom 6. I am using 6.03. I wonder if i did something wrong. I never had this problem with wm5.
What about support?
One benefit of wm6 is that the hackers, tweakers, rom cookers, and random slackers such as myself keep this hermes wm6 forum active (albeit sometimes unforgiving to newcomers). If you have a question about wm6 on a hermes, it is probably already answered here. Can as much be said for the wm5 forums?
Just works
Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.
F*SH said:
... faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed?
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I don't think anyone with half a brain has bricked their phone doing an OS only upgrade (especially if they read the wiki etc etc)... and you answered your own question... who doesnt want a faster device?
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Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.
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I feel the same way as LazPL in that I was about to stop using the phone.
What I hated most about WM5 was a lack of real integration between the phone and contacts funtions, eg.:
. If you chose a call from the recent call list you could not access the contact directly (eg. if you just tried calling someone on their fixed line and wanted to try their mobile, you could not just click on the recent call you just made and select a different type of number, you had to select the name again from the list). In WM6 you can do this
. If you saved an unknown number from your recent call list it would automatically create a new contact, instead of giving you the option to save it in an existing contact (and choosing what type of number it was) or creating a new contact. In WM6 you can.
For me these 2 were just basic everyday usability features that I can find in the cheapest phones, and totally unacceptable to be missing in a €600 device. On the basis of these 2 alone, upgrading to WM6 was worth it.
In addition, my original Orange ROM had some bugs that were just pathetic (although these could have been cured with a newer ROM, or perhaps were due to the original radio ROM - which I also upgraded - and not the OS):
. Calls to busy numbers started blaring the busy tone through the loudspeaker (very loud)
. Trying to answer a call waiting would freeze the phone and require a soft reset
Hope that helps.
Pastings WIFI keys!!!
I've not been able to paste a wifi key in my WM05 ROM somone told me it was security...
rubish i think M$ to implement the copy/paste code.
Modem -> Bluetooth PAN is HUGELY more stable, my connection used to drop all the time in modem mode, i can now sit for 2 hours on my laptop at coffee shops and surf the web, whithout paying silly 1 day WIFI pass prices!
Has I was lying in bed too lazy to attempt to get to the desktop. I whipped out my 8525 wm6 schaps in decided I would make my rounds to the different forums. As I made my way to the xda-developers I repeatedly get an error stating the page can not be displayed. My carrier is ATT and I believe their proxy on my device is disabled. Do you think ATT is blocking xda? I was able to get to the site via Opera but the majority of my surfing is on IE due to the full screen layout. I might have to get past it and start using opera period however rather not. I like being able to see the whole web page in one column view. With Opera-mini I find my self having to scan down hit next page and so on. Have anyone else ran into this problem? In the past I was able to view xda with no problems what so ever.
Is it possible for someone to actually confirm this?
Can someone please just verify if I am the only user having this problem. I recently upgraded to the newest version of Schaps R/C however retreated back to the older 3.65ver. I wonder if this could actually have caused any issues however doubt it. If anyone with an 8525 on att verify this please
Works for me...
I'm ATT/8525 and connecting to XDA with no problem
works for me too, using wap.cingular and proxy dissabled, i have had issues trying to connect to some pages with media net settings and the proxy settings.
No Problem
I just got off the XDA site using PIE, my 8525 and WM6. No issues.
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
Bless u...
but u know almost every Tytn got slower when upgraded to WM6(it's not real WM Version6 but a Second Edition of WM5). According to a developer of Microsoft in Asia Research Center, WM5SE has a memory limit which only allows 32 process in a row therefore we can see WM5SE(the so called WM6) cannot handle memory well.
That's the reason why Tytn got slower...
can i downgrade to WM5 again?
sure
downgrades are don like upgrades...
Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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HTC site is a better choice...
bradlesliect said:
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
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Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
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Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
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Hi,
Clearly either I have done something wrong, or there is something wrong with the phone. Is there a particular order in which this upgrade should be done?
My PDA is slow opening applications and I am battling with Active Sync 4.5
It displays an error each time and I dont know what it means. I have tried to google the error but cannot pick up anything.
I want to downgrade to WM5. Where can I download it from? I only find the SDK version of WM5. Any ideas where I can get WM5 from. I dont see it on HTC website either
Any help will do.
Thanks
I'd begin by reading Mr. Vanx's downgrade guide
You can use some registry tweaks/settings to improve responsiveness of your device if your flash goes ok. Official release ROMs are slower than cooked ROMs - so your choice also matters. For me the performance of WM6 has always been superior in comparison to WM5.
KaioneSoft SprintDB has not offered a solution for WM6. They still sell a patched version of their PPC2003 software that sorta works with WM5. At the KaioneSoft website there no signs of life since August 06 and I believe they are no longer active(except to collect money selling obsolete software).
My questions to the group:
Have you migrated out of KaioneSoft SprintDB?
If so what did you migrate to?
Thanks for your help,
N2O2
I am currently helping them with a WM6 version - as you would be aware, the major issue is the difference in the synch, otherwise SprintDB works well in WM6 - think we are reasonably close to a solution... dont worry, I was getting mightily frustrated myself with this lack of movement. I now have the ability to synch - albeit not quite as elegant as previously.
Thanks for the response. And thanks for helping out SprintDB project.
Unfortunately a database solution without synchronization is not useful to us. For our application to function we need to share data...
My concern with SprintDB is that they move so very slow. So ok, thanks to you, we are near a solution for WM6. Where will be when WM7 hits? Lost again? The newer operating systems are addressing some windows mobile shortcomings like security. These type of improvements more then interest me a little.
I've tested all the latest versions of our software on WM6 and SprintDB is the only one that won't function for us.
It would be good if KaioneSoft would keep us updated through their website, instead of pretending that the issue doesn't exist. Forcing their long time users to wade around the internet forums for solutions. I can't understand why they don't make the issue known on their website, unless they expect to sell to WM6 customers. I'm sure they refund unsuspecting WM6 purchasers, but not being forthright about the issue is more then a little shifty. I'm questioning if this software vendor is responsible enough to trust my databases to.
I have stopped further development with SprintDB and we are testing other solutions. So far Syware is the leading candidate and appears to be a very active company. Has anyone other opinions on database software for WM6?
Long time SprintDB user losing confidence,
N2O2
Hi, I've been using a SprintDB Pro database I developed a couple years ago, and now I'm looking at upgrading to a new device with WM 6. I use this app everyday, now have over 8000 records, and I was so bummed to learn that (1) ActiveSync 4.5 it seems does not support sync'ing databases anymore, and (2) SprintDB doesn't sync on WM 6. I would hate to have to ditch this thing and start over on another db product.
Any advice? Without the ability to sync on WM 6, then what? Can I at least back up my database? Would there be some other way to convert the cdb to something i can edit on the PC?
Any idea *when* SprintDB will fully suport WM 6? (Call me cynical, but hearing "I think we're reasonably close" does not sound to me like a release will happen very soon.)
Does anyone know more about this ActiveSync 4.5 limitation? Does that mean I just need to stay with an older version, or is there more to this?
Finally, if it does come to switching products, any other suggestions besides Syware (which I will check out)? Do any allow me to convert my forms, macros, etc. from SprintDB?
Thanks for any answers or advice!
Sprint DB
Wow, an impressive set of questions.
First off MLK is correct the program itself functions properly under WM6, the issue is with the sync. The sync issue exists because M$ removed Mobile Access support starting with WM5/ActiveSync4. SprintDB developed a work around that made AS4 function with their program that was designed for PPC2003. That work around no longer functions WM6. because M$ further slashed AS4.5
WM6 requires at least AS4.5 or Vista.
SprintDB told me in March 07 that a WM6 sync fix would be available in July 07. We are still waiting. In SrintDB's defense: I think this task is substantial, they are attempting to develop an Activesync type database sync with a deliberate slash of support by M$ in AS4 and 4.5.
It sounds as if you don't need to merge your PC database(mdb) with your WM database(cdb). If you can get away with simply converting your cdb to mdb and back to cdb, although a bit clumsy a program like "Access Converter" free from Kaisoft may be a work around. You could then stay with SprintDB saving the development cost of a migration.
http://www.pocketkai.net/asp/en/index-en.html
If you need to manage two databases the merge their contents ie WM6 <-> W2K the only solution I see is ODBC. This has the advantage of syncing your data via cell or Wifi connection. Unfortunatly this will involve having to redevelop your forms queries structure in another DB program such as Syware. I'm not aware of conversion utilities to migrate from SprintDB to another aplication. (Hint to developers reading in: You could gain the entire customer base from SprintDB if you offer such a function.)
I'm still looking for other DB options if there are suggestions.
Hope this helps. Good Luck.
Thank you N2O2, that was a very thoughtful reply and quite helpful.
The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month. If that happens, I'll be happy. Meanwhile, it sounds like Access Converter will let me squeak by until that release.
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The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month.
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KaioneSoft sends this answer every month, does this whenever you send a message that requests the solution to this problem.
Sorry guys, meant to correct this ages ago & only just noticed... new version is out & works with full sync - not as good as previous in that you have to initiate the sync, but at least it works.
Further to this, if the PPC has low memory, or the DB is "of a size" then sometimes the sync can incorrectly report a successful sync - I have another beta I am testing that looks to resolve this, so go 4 it, it looks like they have come through at last.
Works about 95%
Go for it, SprintDB is back & working better than the betas - have been using it noe for a few months without a hitch, save the odd refresh (thats why the 95% - think it gets tired every so often, mind you that be because my PPC is a memory hog & something is chewng it up without my knowledge - not SprintDB, something else I havent tracked as yet)
SprintDB working great but...
HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat
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HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat
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Which version are you using - this sounds very much like an old beta I had a while ago. FYI, I am using 1.5.0 (Build 1920)
After downloading Windows Mobile 6.5 on my touch pro 2, I've notice some issued that I didn't have before and I'm wondering how to fix them. The first one is that the clock is about 5 minutes slower than the real time. I assumed it set to the network, and I know people who also have T-mobile and their phones are on the correct time. I tried to manually set it, but it always returns to the wrong time. Bad for me since my phone is my watch and I'm always late anyway! Also, the HTC weather widget (the one that is right under the clock on the touch flo 3d home screen) is STUCK on New York even though I love in Orlando. When I first put 6.5 on the phone, it would always be on "my location" whatever that was, but now it's stuck on New York. I can't see any way to change this. I went into the weather app that comes on the phone and actually moved New York and set Orlando as my only location and turned the phone on and off and it's still stuck on New York... I don't care what the weather is in New York! I called T-mobile and they said it was because I needed a new SIM card (I've been using the same one since 2002 when I first signed up with Tmo). I went the store and they refused to give/sell me a new SIM card... they said they had no clue what was causing the problem, but they knew the SIM card had nothing to do with it. I also have problems when entering text on the device. Before I upgraded to 6.5, when I entered text in a field (say in the google search filed or in an e-mail message field) when I got to the end of the visible area, it automatically scrolled so I could see what I was typing. Now, when I get to the end of the field, I can still type, but it disappears beyond the realm of vision and will not scroll. I showed the people at the T-mo store and they also had no clue (but they did try to sell me a useless insurance policy). Does anyone know what to do about these issues or how to resolve them? I'd really appreciate any feedback you may have. As always, thanks )
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seriously i believe no one has this problem....at least for me,i never see this thing,it is always as acurate as my PC.
what rom are you using?will you try to flash another popular rom to see the difference?
Re: weather
never use this feature,what is the reason for us to know the weahter? are you working outdoors?
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never use this feature,what is the reason for us to know the weahter? are you working outdoors?
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I use the weather-localization feature to see how cold it is outside. Great to have such ability to look at your phone in the hall and know if a jacket is needed
Are you on T-Mobile? People on T-Mobile are reporting the problem.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mobile-Touch-Pro2/Clock-losing-time-after-6-5-update/td-p/308222